Guest guest Posted April 28, 2002 Report Share Posted April 28, 2002 Dear Friends, I found this article EXTREMELY interesting.. especially in light of the fact that I have been dx with sleep apnea and have been using the CPAP machine since the beginning of December and it is relieving some of the fibro systems... still have the diabetes and COPD to deal with.. but it is slightly easier to adjust to challenges with one component slightly diminished. It would be interesting for each of you to ask your " sleeping partner " if you " snore " or seem to " stop breathing " during the night and, if so, check into the possibility of being tested for sleep apnea. Haven't been on the computer much lately. Will try to schedule more time. My husband took a " forced " early retirement from his job in Chicago the third week in January and we decided to leave the area and move to Alabama where we had a mobile home already set up and ready for us on the property where my daughter and son-in-love and (7), Brittany (5), and (3) live. Ed brought me down to Alabama mid February along with my oxygen and C-Pap equipment and then he and went back up to Chicago with the Jeep and rented a truck and towbar: packed up the rest of our belongings and drove the truck towing the car - while Ed drove the Jeep back down here. My daughter had made me an appointment with an internal med specialist, a pulmonary doctor and a diabetes eye specialist for March 4. Ed and went with me. What a tiring day! The eye doctor set the cataract surgery for my right eye for March 14, and the other two doctors did the required tests and gave the clearance for surgery. THEN came one week of REST (in bed) and the then March 25, saw the internal med again and had the left cataract done March 28th (Helps to have a daughter who used to be an RN working with the doctor's nurses!!) So... I can SEE again, however, my STUFF is still not unpacked, and the combination of the surgeries, my Medicare getting all screwed up (sorry) and the EXTREME tiredness I've been experiencing, has been impacting my life, quite severely for the past few months. I am starting to see a light at the end of the tunnel (especially since I go Friday for my new POST Cataract eyeglasses exam!!) AND I just received word on Sat. that my Medicare is straightened out. Now I have to call all the doctors, surgery center, anesthesia, oxygen company, etc and get them to re-file all the claims.. since on COBRA, Medicare is considered PRIMARY.. To add to the mix, Ed has been helping add an extension to my daughter's house (to the kitchen by removing the outside wall to the end of a porch, thereby increasing the size of the dining area and the cabinet area by 1/3. He has been over there painting, etc. as well as helping me with " body maintenance " and cooking, cleaning and STUFF. I had the kids over a couple of times, but I am just starting to get my strength back, and THEY TIRE ME OUT QUICKLY!! Like the curious, active children they are, they are into everything - un-packed boxes, etc. Things are getting much better, though. Hope to be more involved in the future. Enjoy reading all the posts, even though I don't respond very often. May God continue to provide each of us with a measure of STRENGTH, WISDOM and PEACE. elaine Fibromyalgia Margaret T. , MD Fibromyalgia is a clinical diagnosis. The disease is characterized by musculoskeletal pain and diffuse tender points. Frequently the patients have associated sleep disorder and fatigue. They also have some organ-specific manifestations that are functional in nature. It has actually been described as far back as the 1700's, but really I'd say in the late 70's until now it has become a very prominent diagnosis from a medical standpoint, from a work disability standpoint, and from a medical/legal standpoint because it's such a nebulous area. Fibromyalgia was eventually used over the older term, fibrositis because there really is no evidence of an inflammatory component. The triggering event is some sort of disruption of sleep which leads to poor rest at night, so you have non-restorative sleep which leads to fatigue, and also presumably the muscles also need to relax. If they don't, there is muscle pain and that leads to lack of activity. Patients become de-conditioned and poor conditions maybe further begets pain and the pain then, as a sort of positive feedback cycle, disrupts the sleep. Whatever causes it, you get this vicious cycle of muscle pain, fatigue and sleep disorder. People have tried to look at various neurohormonal chemicals, such as insulin-like growth factor 1 was hot for awhile, substance P in the cerebral spinal fluid, serotonin is probably the thing that people latch onto most because we use drugs that affect CNS serotonin metabolism and they seem to help. So maybe there is something in that. Also there may be a predisposition. No genetic component has been found yet but I always wonder, do the patients have some sort of premorbid personality that maybe makes it more likely for them to develop fibromyalgia? Unfortunately, every patient I ever asked says, " Oh, before I got sick I was fine, energetic, working hard. " And often they are but I haven't found anything very distinctive in just my cursory evaluation of patients. I still believe that something that disrupts the sleep can then lead to the symptoms of fibromyalgia. This was taken from the original studies by Moldofsky and this is normal non-REM sleep, or stage IV delta sleep. It's the real deep sleep when you are almost comatose. I mean someone could kind of come in and remove a digit and you wouldn't know. You can see it has these slow delta waves, rather large. This is fibromyalgia sleep pattern. This is what this gentleman found and you can see that there is the delta sleep, which is these larger waves, but you can see how it looks very choppy because there's what they call alpha intrusion. There's an alpha pattern superimposed on the delta pattern. The alpha pattern is what happens when you are awake. Presumably your brain is a little more active. If you take a healthy person and then give them some stimulus, try to wake them up, you can see what happens. You have the normal delta pattern and the all of a sudden you have this alpha intrusion. This is the fibromyalgia patient without any stimulus. It's almost like they are not really sleeping. Again, this has not been able to be confirmed in further studies by other groups, whether it was how it was done or the patient selection, is not really clear. I think if you think of fibromyalgia with this diagram in mind it might help you a little bit when you see the patients. It's not going to get you out of the office any quicker, believe me. Sometimes I see these patients and I think, " I could be having my spleen removed with a warm spoon instead of . " These patients are very trying. I'll see three or four new fibromyalgia patients in a day, I come home and by 7 o'clock I'm in bed. I' ve had it. And I usually stay up until 12 or 1 o'clock reading, doing work, watching the football game - which is usually about when it ends - so these patients really do wear you down. It's almost like they are doing it on purpose. But you can see that the central item is the stage IV sleep anomaly which most often, in my experience, you can't find an identifiable cause but sometimes there are things that cause it. Someone who has muscle or joint pain, someone who has had some physical trauma. Emotional trauma obviously can cause it. Sleep apnea. But these aren't the things that I usually see in my practice. In general practice you may see these things sometimes. I remember a case - it was one of my fellows' patients - who had some upper airway obstruction, snored a lot and had some sleep apnea and he had secondary fibromyalgia. When he went to the sleep center they gave him this C-Pak at night and his fibromyalgia, over a period of a few weeks, cleared. So occasionally if you can find an underlying cause you may be able to treat the patient specifically http://www.medical-library.org/journals/secure/rheumatology_81100/fibromyalg ia_syndrome.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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