Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 Joanne, I am a new member, in " lurk " mode... I really agree with you, my experience with Dr's and the pharmecy, ( sp? ) has often brought me to tears. Just getting the money together to see the Dr is a struggle, and given that I am unemployed, and trying to squeak by on unemployment I think most of you can understand that struggle! Trying to pay for my prescriptions is depressing. Enbrel and Remicade are simply out of the question. I have never understand why I must accept the lowest quality of medical care simply because I can't pay for it. If I was working the $10.00 co-pay was no problem. As an example, I am trying to get into a Remicade study, but my liver enzymes are WAY to high, no money, and no insurance means no answers as to why. I have stoppped taking all Rx's, ( MTX and pred ) almost a month ago, ( do I really need to tell you how I'm feeling???) and hope for the best. It is insane, that in one of the richest nations in the world, so many citizens live like this. So far as I know people with Medicare, and Medicaid get better medical care than I am. I don't wish to whine, but I really wonder sometimes " why me? " Some well meaning relative told me once that I shouldn't give up " God wasn't finished with me yet! " At the time I didn't feel like that was a good thing. Whaddya mean He isn't finished yet??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2002 Report Share Posted May 30, 2002 << I don't wish to whine, but I really wonder sometimes " why me? " Some well meaning relative told me once that I shouldn't give up " God wasn't finished with me yet! " At the time I didn't feel like that was a good thing. Whaddya mean He isn't finished yet??? >> Joanne- There are days I have felt that way, too! Deep down I know He's there for me, but there's still that " Why ME " feeling every once in awhile. I have no insurance and I spend over $250 per month on prescriptions, not to mention the Dr's and the lab tests. My rheumy and MD both think I would do well on Enbrel, but that's an awful lot of cash per month. Have you looked into any of the prescription assistance links that a has sent? I don't qualify presently, or I would certainly go that route. I've considered the clinical trials, but my husband is against it. I can't imagine how you must be doing off all meds. I'll say a prayer that you are insured soon. You certainly don't want joint damage! Hugs, Carol [ ] Re: Uninsured Joanne, I am a new member, in " lurk " mode... I really agree with you, my experience with Dr's and the pharmecy, ( sp? ) has often brought me to tears. Just getting the money together to see the Dr is a struggle, and given that I am unemployed, and trying to squeak by on unemployment I think most of you can understand that struggle! Trying to pay for my prescriptions is depressing. Enbrel and Remicade are simply out of the question. I have never understand why I must accept the lowest quality of medical care simply because I can't pay for it. If I was working the $10.00 co-pay was no problem. As an example, I am trying to get into a Remicade study, but my liver enzymes are WAY to high, no money, and no insurance means no answers as to why. I have stoppped taking all Rx's, ( MTX and pred ) almost a month ago, ( do I really need to tell you how I'm feeling???) and hope for the best. It is insane, that in one of the richest nations in the world, so many citizens live like this. So far as I know people with Medicare, and Medicaid get better medical care than I am. I don't wish to whine, but I really wonder sometimes " why me? " Some well meaning relative told me once that I shouldn't give up " God wasn't finished with me yet! " At the time I didn't feel like that was a good thing. Whaddya mean He isn't finished yet??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 On Dec 5, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Abrahamson wrote: > In “God Wants You to be Rich” He quotes his mother regarding > economics: “If you’re not a Communist (Socialist) before you are 30, > you have no soul. If you are a Communist (Socialist) after 30, you > have no brain.” Hi , I'm always pleased that you end with some humor, so I'll cut and paste right to that.... As I get older, the more I'm inclined toward justice as a principle for organizing life. Beyond just my reading of the Golden Rule from all the instruction books, it seems from experience that the advancement of civilization is dependent upon justice, by whatever name it's called. That would be the prize for the wise eye.... Alas! The world is not just, you say? That's true; we're faced now with a decision as to how we will react: how we'll decide to spend our life's energies, how we can be a source of well-being to others rather than excusing our own selfishness by describing the misdeeds of others. Perhaps our decisions after we realize the world isn't fair are the most important we'll make. You could call me worse than a communist or socialist. You could call me a cleric.... Sears NW Portland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 On Dec 5, 2005, at 2:23 PM, deadmed wrote: > We should be concerned less with what could happen to our > re-imbursement when the notion of health care for everyone is on the > table. People have long felt chiropractic is worth the out of pocket > expense. > I can see a sub-specialty of manipulators, on the Italian model of $1/cavitation, contracting for " chiropractic " services. Something like a Metropolis factory moving patients through Charlie Chaplin-like. A triage for mobilization cures, while the rest filter down to students of good intent, where patient well-being is the exchange for one's life energy. Maybe we're lucky to have practiced broadly in these days, if a future universal care model evolves chiropractic into skeletal mobilizers by economic fiat. But, I think rather this drive to do well for others is what finally allows some healing to come forward. We're fortunate that such an innate characteristic allows us to thrive materially. Part of the problem with the discussion on universal care is the enmity and positioning for personal ends of those who capture the floor. An unbiased appraisal of the most efficient way to ensure collective health would be helpful. In the meantime, the numbers grow and the need deepens. We wait for national solutions while their are problems within reach. The internet, fortunately, opens a new line of communication - humans finding their voice collectively. We haven't begun referendi yet to determine as need be what we want moment to moment, issue to issue, but why not? I think the reason Medicare is being considered nationally is in large part because it's up and running and easier to agree to maybe.... Sears NW Portland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Re: You could call me a cleric.... Reverend Sears, Most Americans don’t understand the economic system under which they were raised. In “God Wants You to be Rich”, Pilzer teaches us how modern economics evolved. It is a fascinating read. He clearly explains why the news media hates to report good economic news: it doesn’t sell! Pilzer originated a concept called “financial alchemy” and discusses an important theory called “creative destruction”. The CD industry may be destroyed soon because downloaded songs will make little fragile disks obsolete. The only area that is protected from creative destruction is government. I.e. Counties were once formed to make it possible for people to get to the county seat on horseback. Now we could combine every 3 counties into one due to computers, internet, cell phones, etc. It would save millions of dollars per year in somebody else’s money. But nooooooo. We have always lived in Duck Arse County! We can’t combine with the lowlifes from Skunk Holler County! BTW: I just ordered “Birth of the Chaordic Age” by the founder of Visa, Dee Hock. Can we drag chiropractic into the modern era without losing its value? Let’s keep reading. ( E. Abrahamson, D.C.) Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com From: " dm.bones@... " <dm.bones@...> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 14:13:30 -0800 Abrahamson <drscott@...> Cc: DC <hillcrestchiro@...>, < > Subject: Re: uninsured On Dec 5, 2005, at 9:51 AM, Abrahamson wrote: In “God Wants You to be Rich” He quotes his mother regarding economics: “If you’re not a Communist (Socialist) before you are 30, you have no soul. If you are a Communist (Socialist) after 30, you have no brain.” Hi , I'm always pleased that you end with some humor, so I'll cut and paste right to that.... As I get older, the more I'm inclined toward justice as a principle for organizing life. Beyond just my reading of the Golden Rule from all the instruction books, it seems from experience that the advancement of civilization is dependent upon justice, by whatever name it's called. That would be the prize for the wise eye.... Alas! The world is not just, you say? That's true; we're faced now with a decision as to how we will react: how we'll decide to spend our life's energies, how we can be a source of well-being to others rather than excusing our own selfishness by describing the misdeeds of others. Perhaps our decisions after we realize the world isn't fair are the most important we'll make. You could call me worse than a communist or socialist. You could call me a cleric.... Sears NW Portland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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