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hello everyone.

I am very much enjoying this group and congratulate all of you for

your courage and compassion.

I've posted before. The short version of my story is that I was

diagnosed with RA in April and on my last rheumatologist visit,

he diagnosed me with fibromyalgia on top of that. Back in April I

started a prednisone taper and plaquinil. As of 2 weeks ago, I

am also taking 1000mg of sulfasalazine in morning and at night.

The prednisone helped a bit with the RA pain and swelling but

I'm off it now, thankfully, since I was starting to look like a

chipmunk my cheeks were so swollen. I don't know if the

plaquinil is working and the sulfasalazine has made me

incredibly queasy ... yuk. But, the pain remains, mostly in my

hands, feet and elbows ... at it's worst it is in my shoulders,

chest, and hips too ... is that the fibromyalgia overlapping the

RA?

Anyway, my question is, what do people take for the pain and

discomfort while waiting for the medicines to kick in (if they ever

do). Aleve, Advil, Tylenol, none of them touch this pain in any

reasonable dose. Is there anything I could ask my

rheumatologist for? I'd prefer to avoid prednisone.

The discomfort is really wearing me out and causing real fatigue.

Seems like I'm good for about half the day and then I need to

rest, preferably sleep. I haven't worked a full week in the past 3.

Thanks very much.

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Hi - I'm new to the group but noticed you live in MA also!!

I live near the Worcester area.

C. :)

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>Subject: Re: [ ] pain and fatigue

>Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 16:46:06 -0400

>

>I've just got to answer this question. For me nothing touched the pain

>even

>taking 3 oxycodon at a time-didn't even make my brain feel better. I went

>through a year of " experimentation " with various medications-methatrexate,

>arava, A-sulfadine, several NSAI, remicade and enbrel. The remicade and

>enbrel helped equally but not really for pain but for inflammation and

>fatigue. Without them I slept 12 hours at night and 3 hours every

>afternoon

>and never felt well. I am on the enbrel because I have had many (5 in last

>15 months) surgeries and it gets out of the system faster than the

>remicade.

>I'm not sure I believe the stuff about remicade and enbrel arresting the

>joint damage because I have been on 1 or the other for almost 2 years and

>have had my knee and hip both replaced in the last 7 months. Now joint

>replacement does stop the pain at least in those joints.

>Really it is not all gloom and doom-I have been mostly reading this list

>for

>quite awhile and decided that we are a tough bunch-we have to be and a

>faithful bunch no matter how much we all suffer we believe in God and that

>He's got a plan. Look at it this way- if God didn't know we were tough we

>wouldn't have this so we are examples to others on endurance.

>Now I also take lodine a NSAI which does help my shoulder which is my next

>worst joint. Guess I'm lying when I say they don't help the pain because

>with my hip replacement in April I couldn't use the enbrel for almost a

>month and joints that never hurt hurt badly after 2 weeks and I was

>sleeping

>always.

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Glad you enjoy our group. Sorry about the dual diagnosis, but you have a

lot of company here. I have both also and sometimes it¹s not easy

distinguishing what is causing the pain, RA or FM.

Sulfasalazine is a combination drug that works as both an anti-inflammatory

and an antibiotic. It¹s been used for many years to treat RA, but like a

lot of drugs it takes several weeks for it to start working. 6-12 weeks I

the average.

Here¹s some info about it:

http://www.midwestarthritis.com/html/azulfidine.htm

Hang in there and give the meds a chance to work. Hopefully your stomach

queasiness will go away. That is a common side effect that most of the time

goes away with time.

I take Ultram for pain. It works the best for me. I also have taken

vicodan.

Hope you feel better.

a

On 6/3/02 3:36 PM, " charlin1958 " <stratton_c@...> wrote:

> hello everyone.

>

> I am very much enjoying this group and congratulate all of you for

> your courage and compassion.

>

> I've posted before. The short version of my story is that I was

> diagnosed with RA in April and on my last rheumatologist visit,

> he diagnosed me with fibromyalgia on top of that. Back in April I

> started a prednisone taper and plaquinil. As of 2 weeks ago, I

> am also taking 1000mg of sulfasalazine in morning and at night.

> The prednisone helped a bit with the RA pain and swelling but

> I'm off it now, thankfully, since I was starting to look like a

> chipmunk my cheeks were so swollen. I don't know if the

> plaquinil is working and the sulfasalazine has made me

> incredibly queasy ... yuk. But, the pain remains, mostly in my

> hands, feet and elbows ... at it's worst it is in my shoulders,

> chest, and hips too ... is that the fibromyalgia overlapping the

> RA?

> Anyway, my question is, what do people take for the pain and

> discomfort while waiting for the medicines to kick in (if they ever

> do). Aleve, Advil, Tylenol, none of them touch this pain in any

> reasonable dose. Is there anything I could ask my

> rheumatologist for? I'd prefer to avoid prednisone.

> The discomfort is really wearing me out and causing real fatigue.

> Seems like I'm good for about half the day and then I need to

> rest, preferably sleep. I haven't worked a full week in the past 3.

> Thanks very much.

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callaway19662003 wrote:

>

> ...she has said that once the tests come back normal

> I should feel better.

>

> Is this statement true? Or is the pain and fatigue something that I will

> have to live with the rest of my life?

It is true if the pain and fatigue are due to hypoT. Unfortunately,

there are other potential causes of pail and fatigue. You may need to

see a different specialty.

Chuck

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Probably about 95% of hypothyroid patients take one simple pill per day

and lead a normal life. Unfortunately a small percentage of patients

aren't so lucky and continue to have symptoms that range from mild to

pure hell. In many cases conventional allopathic treatment seems to

become MOL a hit or miss proposition and many patients resort to

alternative methods. There are no supplements or such that will replace

T4 but some people get relief from such things as Armour, which has T3

as well as T4.

There's lots of info on the internet and elsewhere. Be aware that some

of it might harm or kill you, so be careful.

Luck,

..

..

>

> Posted by: " callaway19662003 " callaway19662003@...

> <mailto:callaway19662003@...?Subject=%20Re%3APain%20and%20fatigue>

> callaway19662003 <callaway19662003>

>

>

> Wed Jan 6, 2010 7:17 pm (PST)

>

>

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I found out 2 years ago that I am hypothyroid. What prompted me to get

> tested was I was tired and in allot of pain in fingers and wrists. My

> blood tests have been normal for at least 18 to 20 months. And yet the

> pain and fatigue continues to get worse. I have been under the care of

> an endocrinologist and she has said that once the tests come back normal

> I should feel better.

>

> Is this statement true? Or is the pain and fatigue something that I will

> have to live with the rest of my life?

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" Is this statement true? Or is the pain and fatigue something that I will have

to live with the rest of my life? "

NO to both questions. Your thyroid meds could probably still be adjusted some

even after your test results are 'normal'. That adjustment could make a big

difference in how you feel.

You should also have your vit D checked, if low it can add to the pain and

fatigue considerably. You are probably also deficient in iodine, which will add

to your symptoms as well.

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Okay...I will get my latest test results and post them. I do want to add

something else. My pain and fatigue got MUCH WORSE when I started taking 125 mcg

of levothyroxine.

Brad

>

> " Is this statement true? Or is the pain and fatigue something that I will have

to live with the rest of my life? "

>

> NO to both questions. Your thyroid meds could probably still be adjusted some

even after your test results are 'normal'. That adjustment could make a big

difference in how you feel.

> You should also have your vit D checked, if low it can add to the pain and

fatigue considerably. You are probably also deficient in iodine, which will add

to your symptoms as well.

>

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Here are my test results.

TSH 7.930 T4 1.1 T3 1.01

> >

> > " Is this statement true? Or is the pain and fatigue something that I will

have to live with the rest of my life? "

> >

> > NO to both questions. Your thyroid meds could probably still be adjusted

some even after your test results are 'normal'. That adjustment could make a

big difference in how you feel.

> > You should also have your vit D checked, if low it can add to the pain and

fatigue considerably. You are probably also deficient in iodine, which will add

to your symptoms as well.

> >

>

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callaway19662003 wrote:

>

>

> Here are my test results.

>

> TSH 7.930 T4 1.1 T3 1.01

>

Technically, we need to have the reference ranges for the T4 and T3 to

make sense, as these vary wildly around the world in different labs

using different reagents.

TSH is pretty standard, though, and 7.9 is unconscionably high under

treatment. You need a dose that will get TSH around 2.

Chuck

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My TSH stays around zero even since being back on T4 only. T3 and T4 are

within range.

CW

-- Re: Re: Pain and fatigue

callaway19662003 wrote:

>

>

> Here are my test results.

>

> TSH 7.930 T4 1.1 T3 1.01

>

Technically, we need to have the reference ranges for the T4 and T3 to

make sense, as these vary wildly around the world in different labs

using different reagents.

TSH is pretty standard, though, and 7.9 is unconscionably high under

treatment. You need a dose that will get TSH around 2.

Chuck

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It's possible that your body is not turning the T4 into T3, but rather into RT3.

This is what happened to me, so even though I was getting the T4 and T3 most of

it was not getting into my cells.The only way to see if this is happening is to

have an RT3 test. The doctors don't want to order the test because then they

have to admit that their treatment is not helping the patient.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

>

> Here are my test results.

>

> TSH 7.930 T4 1.1 T3 1.01

>

Technically, we need to have the reference ranges for the T4 and T3 to

make sense, as these vary wildly around the world in different labs

using different reagents.

TSH is pretty standard, though, and 7.9 is unconscionably high under

treatment. You need a dose that will get TSH around 2.

Chuck

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Im sorry.Ive been hypo for at least 2 years and i still dont understand

completely the test results. So here are the ranges as it shows on the results.

TEST NAME TSH FREE T4 TOTAL T3

REFERANCE 0.300- 5.00 0.8-2.0 0.90-2.10

UNITS UTU/ML NG/DL NG/ML

7.930 1.1 1.01

> >

> >

> > Here are my test results.

> >

> > TSH 7.930 T4 1.1 T3 1.01

> >

>

> Technically, we need to have the reference ranges for the T4 and T3 to

> make sense, as these vary wildly around the world in different labs

> using different reagents.

>

> TSH is pretty standard, though, and 7.9 is unconscionably high under

> treatment. You need a dose that will get TSH around 2.

>

> Chuck

>

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Roni,

Is that something I could ask my doctor...to do the RT3 test? I am suffering so

badly. I am not suicidal but there are somedays I wish I would not wake up to

this absolute hell. My endocrinologist doesnt know what else to do. I have a

feeling that doctors dont care how I feel but more care to get my thyroid levels

in the acceptable range and thats it. They show no feelings and act more like

robots. For the last 6 months are so I have given up on feeling getting

better..Im losing my will. I dont know what to do. So this is why Im on here.

Other than telling my doctors that I hurt all over I dont know what to say to

them. I appreciate any help!

Thanks,

Brad

> >

> >

> > Here are my test results.

> >

> > TSH 7.930 T4 1.1 T3 1.01

> >

>

> Technically, we need to have the reference ranges for the T4 and T3 to

> make sense, as these vary wildly around the world in different labs

> using different reagents.

>

> TSH is pretty standard, though, and 7.9 is unconscionably high under

> treatment. You need a dose that will get TSH around 2.

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

>

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The link below answers a lot of questions.

 

http://thyroid-rt3.com/

 

After reading all this, I would ask to be tested for Free T3, Free T4, Rt3 and

TSH all together. If your doctor objects, try reasoning with him/her. It won't

do any harm to check and see if you have this problem, and as of right now you

feel like you're dying. Please help me.

 

The doctor that I went through all of this with was my rheumatologist. I went in

and gave him all the symptoms I was having and he had lots of blood tests done

and a special test for an illness with three names to it (can't remember the

names). Everything pretty much came back normal. Then he said maybe we should

check your thyroid. At that point I asked if we could check for the tests above

and he said all right.

 

Good luck.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: callaway19662003 <callaway19662003@...>

Subject: Re: Pain and fatigue

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 10:51 PM

Roni,

Is that something I could ask my doctor...to do the RT3 test? I am suffering so

badly. I am not suicidal but there are somedays I wish I would not wake up to

this absolute hell. My endocrinologist doesnt know what else to do. I have a

feeling that doctors dont care how I feel but more care to get my thyroid levels

in the acceptable range and thats it. They show no feelings and act more like

robots. For the last 6 months are so I have given up on feeling getting

better..Im losing my will. I dont know what to do. So this is why Im on here.

Other than telling my doctors that I hurt all over I dont know what to say to

them. I appreciate any help!

Thanks,

Brad

> >

> >

> > Here are my test results.

> >

> > TSH 7.930 T4 1.1 T3 1.01

> >

>

> Technically, we need to have the reference ranges for the T4 and T3 to

> make sense, as these vary wildly around the world in different labs

> using different reagents.

>

> TSH is pretty standard, though, and 7.9 is unconscionably high under

> treatment. You need a dose that will get TSH around 2.

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

>

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callaway19662003 wrote:

>

>

> Im sorry.Ive been hypo for at least 2 years and i still dont understand

> completely the test results. So here are the ranges as it shows on the

> results.

>

> TEST NAME TSH FREE T4 TOTAL T3

> REFERANCE 0.300- 5.00 0.8-2.0 0.90-2.10

> UNITS UTU/ML NG/DL NG/ML

> 7.930 1.1 1.01

Thanks for sharing the ranges. The fact that FT4 and TT3 are both at the

low end of the reference range is consistent with the very high TSH. I

would expect when you get a higher dose, so that TSH is around 2, that

your FT4 and TT3 will both be closer to the high end of the reference

range. If your doctor will not prescribe a high enough dose to

accomplish this, you should definitely look for a new doctor. The fact

that after two years, your TSH is still this high seems negligent to

this amateur.

Chuck

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Hello,

Since my last post I started taking and recording my temperature. For the last

few weeks it has been averaging 2 degrees below nowmal. I have even had temps as

low as 95.5. Is this abnormal and does it seem like it could be wilsons

temp.syndrome.

Brad

> > >

> > >

> > > Here are my test results.

> > >

> > > TSH 7.930 T4 1.1 T3 1.01

> > >

> >

> > Technically, we need to have the reference ranges for the T4 and T3 to

> > make sense, as these vary wildly around the world in different labs

> > using different reagents.

> >

> > TSH is pretty standard, though, and 7.9 is unconscionably high under

> > treatment. You need a dose that will get TSH around 2.

> >

> > Chuck

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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not that i really want to talk about this,but my son keeps telling me all the

time that medical marijuana is my answer... maybe he is right, i have so much

pain, and i don't sleep til i basically can't stay awake any longer, and i too

get tired during the day,but my husband doesn't " understand " this... i also tend

to my 2 almost 3 yrs old g'baby, who is Very Active... sometimes more often than

not i really OVERDO it... what can i do? the family just doesn't understand it.

and i have run out of the explanations for them... please help if you can...

also i suffer from chronic pain, i just recently had cervical neck surgery where

the surgeon removed 3 discs and replaced it with a titanium plate and 4 screws..

he hasn't given me any pain meds, plus he took it upon himself to take me off of

what i was on prior to going into surgery without my approval or knowlege...it

was a strong medicine...i could have had a possible fatal outcome.. and he

has no remorse

at all for it, i told him that i was already trying to wein myself off as

it was before having the surgery...why would any dr take you off of a pain med

and then NOT give you anything at all for pain after such a major surgery?? so

many have told me that this is a possible lawsuit? along with some of the other

things he did or didn't do?? any suggestions?? take care all..GOD BLESS :)

tracey 

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Subject: Re: Sleep Problems

Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 12:45 PM

Well, I hate to mention it, as Gretchen often gets upset, but if you 

are in a medical marijuana state, medical marijuana is now -proven- 

efficacious with 4 FDA " Gold Standard, " patient trials to combat both 

neuropathic pain and sleeplessness, with the researchers quoted as 

saying...

" Inhaled cannabis reduces pain and improves sleep compared to placebo, 

and is well tolerated by patients with chronic neuropathy, according 

to clinical trial data published this week in the Journal of the 

Canadian Medical Association (CMAJ).

Investigators at McGill University in Montreal assessed the efficacy 

of inhaled cannabis on pain intensity in 23 subjects with chronic post-traumatic

or post-surgical neuropathic pain in a randomized, double-blind,

placebo-controlled crossover trial. Participants in the study received a single

inhalation of 25 mg of 9.4 percent herbal cannabis or placebo three times daily.

All of the volunteers in the study suffered from refractory pain for which

conventional therapies had proven ineffective.

Researchers reported: “[H]erbal cannabis … significantly reduced 

average pain scores compared with … cannabis placebo in adult 

participants. … We found significant improvement in measures of sleep 

quality and anxiety. … Our results support the claim that smoked 

cannabis reduces pain, improves mood, and helps sleep.â€

Emphases added by me.

But further, I think this is a problem with fatigue during the day, 

and not sleep problems per se. I need more than 8 hours myself, 

usually 9. But this does not keep me from needing actual rest between 

3 and 6 P.M, and it keeps me from doing much after 11 P.M.

So here is the hard part... this may be a permanent feature of your 

life, as it is of mine and many other CMTers, just downright fatigue 

because it is simply harder to get through a day with CMT. It is a 

great deal of work for your working muscles and your brain to get you 

around without what is currently bothering you with CMT.

By permanent feature, I mean you may have to start living at a lower 

level of activity. This means you have to carefully pick what you do, 

and plan rest periods accordingly.

Another thing is that the activities you currently do may have to be 

curtailed in some way. I know that bicycling through the foothills in 

of the German Alps in extreme Southern Germany where I lived and 

worked for a period in the 90s... it was fun and nice, but it was too 

much output, and it seriously reduced my ability to work through the 

day.

So you may have to examine more than just sleep problems when trying 

to find an equilibrium with which you can live.

This is just my experience, and I hope it helps.

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Tracey,

If your doc discontinued your medications before surgery, there was a reason.

Some of them, even something like Naprosyn, must be discontinued before surgery

because they can cause excessive blood loss.

You just had major surgery on your body. This is stress. Give your body a break

for 6 months to recover well. Ask your doctor if you can have something like

Ultram for pain, perhaps also one of the newer medications during this time. You

may also want to start taking Vitamin E which research has aproved effective.

It's sweet to play with your grandson, but yes, overdoing it, especially now

since surgery may be too much. As for your sleep, best to keep regular meal

schedules and regular sleep schedules. Wind down about 7 in the evening, have

some quiet time to yourself. Sit in a special place, shut your eyes, breathe

deeply and mentally focus on something pleasant or enjoyable. Afterwards, take a

hot shower/bath, then do some reading from a good novel. Your body will get used

to this after awhile.

You will need to take care of yourself, FIRST.

Gretchen

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thanks for the advice,but this dr did NOT take me off of it before surgery, nor

did he say that he wanted me off of it prior to surgery, he gave it to me during

my stay in ICU and Recovery but as soon as he sent me to the floor he decided to

take me off of it, without talking to me about it... i think he should have at

least mentioned this prior to him doing this rather than to just have the nurses

tell me what he wanted done... i mean he was the one getting paid.. he has not

explained anything throughout the surgery, i don't mean to sound ugly, please

don't take me that way.. i just know that i  have had other surgerys (sp) and

have NEVER been as scared as i was this time, i tried to express this to my

husband and to the medical staff, it was almost as if GOD was saying WAIT for a

lil longer...  and i now feel like i didn't listen to GOD... when i expressed

these feelings the anesthesiologist said oh we are gonna give you something to

calm you down,

that was the last thing i remember til waking up the next day.....as for my

granddaughter, well yes i do know that i do overdo it with her, and you are most

right i do need to take care of me, but i have yet to figure out just how to do

that. i am so used to doing for others....i am curious as to what you would

think about this dr giving me Lyrica.. told me to Stop taking my neurotin that i

have been taking for years as well, so i just called my neurologist office to

double check.. they said for me to wein off of it, NOT to just STOP taking it as

i was told...so i just don't know about this surgeon i really don't think he is

aware of the medications and the side effects?? i know i could be wrong on

this.. but this time i honestly feel that i am right..thanks again...GOD BLESS

YOU....tracey

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wrote:

From: -owner <-owner >

Subject: Re: pain and fatigue

Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2010, 12:08 PM

 

Tracey,

If your doc discontinued your medications before surgery, there was a reason.

Some of them, even something like Naprosyn, must be discontinued before surgery

because they can cause excessive blood loss.

You just had major surgery on your body. This is stress. Give your body a break

for 6 months to recover well. Ask your doctor if you can have something like

Ultram for pain, perhaps also one of the newer medications during this time. You

may also want to start taking Vitamin E which research has aproved effective.

It's sweet to play with your grandson, but yes, overdoing it, especially now

since surgery may be too much. As for your sleep, best to keep regular meal

schedules and regular sleep schedules. Wind down about 7 in the evening, have

some quiet time to yourself. Sit in a special place, shut your eyes, breathe

deeply and mentally focus on something pleasant or enjoyable. Afterwards, take a

hot shower/bath, then do some reading from a good novel. Your body will get used

to this after awhile.

You will need to take care of yourself, FIRST.

Gretchen

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Tracey,

I know it's hard, but you do need to ask your doctor the questions. Be still for

awhile and write down everything that comes to mind. Before back surgery I had a

TON of questions about everything, then after I had a TON more. I questioned

each nurse in the hospital exactly what the medication given to me was. Speak up

to the docs and other professionals! They are in no way Gods, and you have every

RIGHT to get understandable answers to all your questions.

My personal experience with Neurontin was to start, increase gradually by 100 mg

per day for 3 days to dose level. Did the reverse a year later, decreased by 100

mg for 3 days. It worked.

I don't have any experience with Lyrica, although I understand it works well for

neuropathic pain. Whether or not it works on post-op pain, I don't know.

Gretchen

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Tracey,

Your son is correct.  if you live in a state that condones and legalizes

medical marijuana it is a enormous help.  I have had open heart surgery,

artritist (sp), and CMT that has robbed me of my legs. I use blue rocker AFOs to

walk with the help of trekking sticks.  I stopped using all of the prescription

meds over two years ago, and have not regretted it once.  I use a vaporizer to

get the THC

effects and do not smoke it.  It has really helped.

Hope this helps.

Lester

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I, too, have been able to reduce or end taking three prescription meds, as the

cannabis does such a good job. It is most effective in the peripheral nervous

system and most helpful with neuropathic pain, which is the type,of pain from

CMT's nerve damage.

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