Re: Traditonal CRed Okinawans?

[Guest guest]

By my calculation, 67% by weight of the 1950 Okinawan dietary

intake was sweet potatoes: 849 grams/1262 grams!

When I was working on Okinawa a couple of years ago, I

ran across on outdoor statue of the monk who first brought

the sweet potato to Okinawa from asia many many years ago. Life

must have been pretty grim before this event. Okinawa

seems to me to be the West Virginia of Japan.

Some sweet potatoes from Okinawa are bright purple inside

and have been claimed to be very high in antioxidants, but

I am not sure if most of the sweet potatoes consumed in 1950

were of the purple variety.

Here is the table with food weights from the paper:

> TABLE 1. Traditional dietary intake of Okinawans and other Japanese

circa

> 1950

> ==================================================

> Okinawa, 1949^a Japan, 1950^b

> ==================================================

> Total calories 1785^c 2068

> Total weight (grams) 1262 1057

> Caloric density (calories/gram) 1.4 2.0

> Total protein in grams (% total calories) 39 (9) 68 (13)

> Total carbohydrate in grams (% total calories) 382 (85) 409 (79)

> Total fat in grams (% total calories) 12 (6) 18 (8)

> Saturated fatty acid 3.7 4.7

> Monounsaturated fatty acid 3.6 5.3

> Polyunsaturated fatty acid 4.8 8.0

> Total fiber (grams) 23 23

> Food group Weight in grams (% total calories)

> Grains

> Rice 154 (12) 328 (54)

> Wheat, barley, and other grains 38 (7) 153 (24)

> Nuts, seeds <1 (<1) <1 (<1)

> Sugars 3 (<1) 8 (1)

> Oils 3 (2) 3 (1)

> Legumes (e.g., soy and other beans) 71 (6) 55 (3)

> Fish 15 (1) 62 (4)

> Meat (including poultry) 3 (<1) 11 (<1)

> Eggs 1 (<1) 7 (<1)

> Dairy <1 (<1) 8 (<1)

> Vegetables

> Sweet potatoes 849 (69) 66 (3)

> Other potatoes 2 (<1) 47 (2)

> Other vegetables 114 (3) 188 (1)

> Fruit^d <1 (<1) 44 (1)

> Seaweed 1 (<1) 3 (<1)

> Pickled vegetables 0 (0) 42 (<1)

> Foods: flavors & alcohol 7 (<1) 31 (2)

> ==================================================

> a Data derived from analysis of U.S. National Archives, archived

food

> records, 1949 and based on survey of 2279 persons.

> b Japan National Nutrition Survey, 1950.

> c Total daily caloric intake was originally reported as 1785

kcal/day in

> 1949. This was estimated to be 17% less than government-recommended

daily

> intake. Differences in assumptions regarding particular foods,

cooking

> methods, and choice of nutritional analysis programs result in a

range of

> 1605 to 2012 kcal/day.

> d Papaya and tomatoes were classified as vegetables.

>

> How CRed were the Okinawans in their traditional diets? The below

paper is pdf-availed

>

>

> Willcox BJ, Willcox DC, Todoriki H, Fujiyoshi A, Yano K, He Q, Curb

JD, Suzuki M.

> Caloric Restriction, the Traditional Okinawan Diet, and Healthy

Aging: The Diet of the World's Longest-Lived People and Its Potential

Impact on Morbidity and Life Span.

> Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2007 Nov;1114:434-55.

> PMID: 17986602

.........

Dave

's Crossroads, VA

[Guest guest]

One thing that I found VERY interesting was the amount of fat and the

percentages of s-m-p fatty acids:

> Total fat in grams (% total calories) 12 (6) 18 (8)

> Saturated fatty acid 3.7 4.7

> Monounsaturated fatty acid 3.6 5.3

> Polyunsaturated fatty acid 4.8 8.0

Twelve to eighteen grams of fat per day is not very much fat by our

standards. Also, notice that polyunsaturated fats exceed the amount

of saturated fat. This ratio would result in very good blood

cholesterol numbers.

Tony

> >

> > How CRed were the Okinawans in their traditional diets? The below

> paper is pdf-availed

> >

> >

> > Willcox BJ, Willcox DC, Todoriki H, Fujiyoshi A, Yano K, He Q, Curb

> JD, Suzuki M.

> > Caloric Restriction, the Traditional Okinawan Diet, and Healthy

> Aging: The Diet of the World's Longest-Lived People and Its Potential

> Impact on Morbidity and Life Span.

> > Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2007 Nov;1114:434-55.

> > PMID: 17986602

> ........

>

> Dave

> 's Crossroads, VA

>

[Guest guest]

in addition, notice the amount of protein (and carbs).

Total protein in grams (% total calories) 39(9) 68(13)

Total carbohydrate in grams (% total calories) 382

(85) 409 (79)

Jeff

--- citpeks <citpeks@...> wrote:

> One thing that I found VERY interesting was the

> amount of fat and the

> percentages of s-m-p fatty acids:

>

> > Total fat in grams (% total calories) 12 (6) 18

> (8)

> > Saturated fatty acid 3.7 4.7

> > Monounsaturated fatty acid 3.6 5.3

> > Polyunsaturated fatty acid 4.8 8.0

>

> Twelve to eighteen grams of fat per day is not very

> much fat by our

> standards. Also, notice that polyunsaturated fats

> exceed the amount

> of saturated fat. This ratio would result in very

> good blood

> cholesterol numbers.

>

> Tony

>

>

>

> > >

> > > How CRed were the Okinawans in their traditional

> diets? The below

> > paper is pdf-availed

> > >

> > >

> > > Willcox BJ, Willcox DC, Todoriki H, Fujiyoshi A,

> Yano K, He Q, Curb

> > JD, Suzuki M.

> > > Caloric Restriction, the Traditional Okinawan

> Diet, and Healthy

> > Aging: The Diet of the World's Longest-Lived

> People and Its Potential

> > Impact on Morbidity and Life Span.

> > > Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2007 Nov;1114:434-55.

> > > PMID: 17986602

> > ........

> >

> > Dave

> > 's Crossroads, VA

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes. And for Okinawa, according to those data, 69% of the calories

were from sweet potatoes; no less than 94% from sweet potatoes and

seeds of one kind or another (including legumes, 'grains' and rice);

and of the remaining 6%, half of it is 'other vegetables'. Hmmmmmm.

Also interesting that with an average caloric intake as low as 1785 a

day their life expectancy was/is only a few years more than in the

US; that, as in most places, life expectancy has increased

substantially in the past thirty years, suggesting that the

traditional way of eating in Okinawa may not be the key factor; and

one wonders if their longevity might be improved if they increased

the quantity of green vegetables in their diet. Do they eat their

rice brown? My impression is that that is not the case in mainland

Japan.

But clearly they have gotten a lot of things right.

Rodney.

> >

> > How CRed were the Okinawans in their traditional diets? The

below

> paper is pdf-availed

> >

> >

> > Willcox BJ, Willcox DC, Todoriki H, Fujiyoshi A, Yano K, He Q,

Curb

> JD, Suzuki M.

> > Caloric Restriction, the Traditional Okinawan Diet, and Healthy

> Aging: The Diet of the World's Longest-Lived People and Its

Potential

> Impact on Morbidity and Life Span.

> > Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2007 Nov;1114:434-55.

> > PMID: 17986602

> ........

>

> Dave

> 's Crossroads, VA

>

[Guest guest]

A few months ago, I bot some purples from Hawaii, at Hong-Kong market - I 've heard such glowing reports on taste. These were dead, so irradiated they won't sprout, and so dry, compared to a LA yam, forget it.

Yet the purple pigment may have something to offer. China is growing them for the pigment but I didn't find the chemical description.

I found a place in

http://www.avenuevine.com/archives/002861.html

growing a purple skinned purple flesh, they "found". I was told they're not into production yet.

It is said to be illegal to import the "real" live ones.

Perhaps the irrad is to clean up stuff grown in questionable soil. I'm a little concerned about the irrad, until a lot of other folks try it.

In any case, they ain't gonna make it here with that product if "they" can't find a way to "improve" it. There are people working on hybrids in LA research center.

I doubt these make people live longer, but it may help them remember.

Regards

[ ] Re: Traditonal CRed Okinawans?

Yes. And for Okinawa, according to those data, 69% of the calories were from sweet potatoes; no less than 94% from sweet potatoes and seeds of one kind or another (including legumes, 'grains' and rice); and of the remaining 6%, half of it is 'other vegetables'. Hmmmmmm.Also interesting that with an average caloric intake as low as 1785 a day their life expectancy was/is only a few years more than in the US; that, as in most places, life expectancy has increased substantially in the past thirty years, suggesting that the traditional way of eating in Okinawa may not be the key factor; and one wonders if their longevity might be improved if they increased the quantity of green vegetables in their diet. Do they eat their rice brown? My impression is that that is not the case in mainland Japan.But clearly they have gotten a lot of things right. Rodney.> >> > How CRed were the Okinawans in their traditional diets? The below > paper is pdf-availed> > > > > > Willcox BJ, Willcox DC, Todoriki H, Fujiyoshi A, Yano K, He Q, Curb > JD, Suzuki M. > > Caloric Restriction, the Traditional Okinawan Diet, and Healthy > Aging: The Diet of the World's Longest-Lived People and Its Potential > Impact on Morbidity and Life Span.> > Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2007 Nov;1114:434-55. > > PMID: 17986602 > ........> > Dave> 's Crossroads, VA>

[Guest guest]

The link you posted is not for the Okinawan or Hawaii purple. Not

the same potato at all.

Bob--- In , " jwwright " <jwwright@...>

wrote:

>

> A few months ago, I bot some purples from Hawaii, at Hong-Kong

market - I 've heard such glowing reports on taste. These were dead,

so irradiated they won't sprout, and so dry, compared to a LA yam,

forget it.

> Yet the purple pigment may have something to offer. China is

growing them for the pigment but I didn't find the chemical

description.

> I found a place in

> http://www.avenuevine.com/archives/002861.html

> growing a purple skinned purple flesh, they " found " . I was told

they're not into production yet.

> It is said to be illegal to import the " real " live ones.

>

> Perhaps the irrad is to clean up stuff grown in questionable soil.

I'm a little concerned about the irrad, until a lot of other folks

try it.

>

> In any case, they ain't gonna make it here with that product

if " they " can't find a way to " improve " it. There are people working

on hybrids in LA research center.

>

> I doubt these make people live longer, but it may help them

remember.

>

> Regards

>

>

> [ ] Re: Traditonal CRed Okinawans?

>

>

> Yes. And for Okinawa, according to those data, 69% of the

calories

> were from sweet potatoes; no less than 94% from sweet potatoes

and

> seeds of one kind or another (including legumes, 'grains' and

rice);

> and of the remaining 6%, half of it is 'other vegetables'.

Hmmmmmm.

>

> Also interesting that with an average caloric intake as low as

1785 a

> day their life expectancy was/is only a few years more than in

the

> US; that, as in most places, life expectancy has increased

> substantially in the past thirty years, suggesting that the

> traditional way of eating in Okinawa may not be the key factor;

and

> one wonders if their longevity might be improved if they

increased

> the quantity of green vegetables in their diet. Do they eat their

> rice brown? My impression is that that is not the case in

mainland

> Japan.

>

> But clearly they have gotten a lot of things right.

>

> Rodney.

>

> --- In , " Saum " <dsaum@>

wrote:

> >

> > By my calculation, 67% by weight of the 1950 Okinawan dietary

> > intake was sweet potatoes: 849 grams/1262 grams!

> >

> > When I was working on Okinawa a couple of years ago, I

> > ran across on outdoor statue of the monk who first brought

> > the sweet potato to Okinawa from asia many many years ago. Life

> > must have been pretty grim before this event. Okinawa

> > seems to me to be the West Virginia of Japan.

> >

> > Some sweet potatoes from Okinawa are bright purple inside

> > and have been claimed to be very high in antioxidants, but

> > I am not sure if most of the sweet potatoes consumed in 1950

> > were of the purple variety.

> >

> > Here is the table with food weights from the paper:

> >

> > > TABLE 1. Traditional dietary intake of Okinawans and other

> Japanese

> > circa

> > > 1950

> > > ==================================================

> > > Okinawa, 1949^a Japan, 1950^b

> > > ==================================================

> > > Total calories 1785^c 2068

> > > Total weight (grams) 1262 1057

> > > Caloric density (calories/gram) 1.4 2.0

> > > Total protein in grams (% total calories) 39 (9) 68 (13)

> > > Total carbohydrate in grams (% total calories) 382 (85) 409

(79)

> > > Total fat in grams (% total calories) 12 (6) 18 (8)

> > > Saturated fatty acid 3.7 4.7

> > > Monounsaturated fatty acid 3.6 5.3

> > > Polyunsaturated fatty acid 4.8 8.0

> > > Total fiber (grams) 23 23

> > > Food group Weight in grams (% total calories)

> > > Grains

> > > Rice 154 (12) 328 (54)

> > > Wheat, barley, and other grains 38 (7) 153 (24)

> > > Nuts, seeds <1 (<1) <1 (<1)

> > > Sugars 3 (<1) 8 (1)

> > > Oils 3 (2) 3 (1)

> > > Legumes (e.g., soy and other beans) 71 (6) 55 (3)

> > > Fish 15 (1) 62 (4)

> > > Meat (including poultry) 3 (<1) 11 (<1)

> > > Eggs 1 (<1) 7 (<1)

> > > Dairy <1 (<1) 8 (<1)

> > > Vegetables

> > > Sweet potatoes 849 (69) 66 (3)

> > > Other potatoes 2 (<1) 47 (2)

> > > Other vegetables 114 (3) 188 (1)

> > > Fruit^d <1 (<1) 44 (1)

> > > Seaweed 1 (<1) 3 (<1)

> > > Pickled vegetables 0 (0) 42 (<1)

> > > Foods: flavors & alcohol 7 (<1) 31 (2)

> > > ==================================================

> > > a Data derived from analysis of U.S. National Archives,

archived

> > food

> > > records, 1949 and based on survey of 2279 persons.

> > > b Japan National Nutrition Survey, 1950.

> > > c Total daily caloric intake was originally reported as 1785

> > kcal/day in

> > > 1949. This was estimated to be 17% less than government-

> recommended

> > daily

> > > intake. Differences in assumptions regarding particular

foods,

> > cooking

> > > methods, and choice of nutritional analysis programs result

in a

> > range of

> > > 1605 to 2012 kcal/day.

> > > d Papaya and tomatoes were classified as vegetables.

> >

> >

> > --- In , Al Pater <old542000@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > How CRed were the Okinawans in their traditional diets? The

> below

> > paper is pdf-availed

> > >

> > >

> > > Willcox BJ, Willcox DC, Todoriki H, Fujiyoshi A, Yano K, He

Q,

> Curb

> > JD, Suzuki M.

> > > Caloric Restriction, the Traditional Okinawan Diet, and

Healthy

> > Aging: The Diet of the World's Longest-Lived People and Its

> Potential

> > Impact on Morbidity and Life Span.

> > > Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2007 Nov;1114:434-55.

> > > PMID: 17986602

> > ........

> >

> > Dave

> > 's Crossroads, VA

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That is true. The URL happens to be one grown in the U.S.

Also research in Louisiana is/has been conducted and a hybrid exists. IMO, if it is not improved, it will never be marketable in this country, regardless of the differences.

The LA variety is cloned, but there are others actively finding better grades of the original Asian purple, which migrated to Okie and to Hawaii.

When you say it is not the same, I'd like to see the data that shows the differences in chemical structure.

Surely the purple pigment is not the orange of a LA yam, but it may well be the same purple in other available purple pigmented SP's grown here.

I drove 60 miles to get the Hawaii variety, bot 30#, and threw most of them to the animals.

Regards.

[ ] Re: Traditonal CRed Okinawans?

The link you posted is not for the Okinawan or Hawaii purple. Not the same potato at all.Bob> > >> > > How CRed were the Okinawans in their traditional diets? The > below > > paper is pdf-availed> > > > > > > > > Willcox BJ, Willcox DC, Todoriki H, Fujiyoshi A, Yano K, He Q, > Curb > > JD, Suzuki M. > > > Caloric Restriction, the Traditional Okinawan Diet, and Healthy > > Aging: The Diet of the World's Longest-Lived People and Its > Potential > > Impact on Morbidity and Life Span.> > > Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2007 Nov;1114:434-55. > > > PMID: 17986602 > > ........> > > > Dave> > 's Crossroads, VA> >>

[Guest guest]

Wiki has a link on the Okinawan sweet potato. They are all a bit

different. Kinda like tobacco. Same but different. The purples have

the same stuff as the blueberry that makes it purple. I would assume

some difference in chemical makeup. Considering they are different

cultivars. Of course all the purples you get here have been zapped!

http://www.organicconsumers.org/irrad/HISweetPotato.cfm

http://www.deliciousorganics.com/recipes/potatoes.htm

But this one here indicates non zapped!

Here is a link to another that gives you where you can buy a 30 lbs.

box. Once you get them I guess you could try growing a few from the

eyes. Don't know if the zapping will create an ungrowable eye!!

Hope this doesn't get me a purple eye. But, I would not be opposed

to growing an eye if it can be done!!

Bob

> > > >

> > > > How CRed were the Okinawans in their traditional diets? The

> > below

> > > paper is pdf-availed

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Willcox BJ, Willcox DC, Todoriki H, Fujiyoshi A, Yano K, He

> Q,

> > Curb

> > > JD, Suzuki M.

> > > > Caloric Restriction, the Traditional Okinawan Diet, and

> Healthy

> > > Aging: The Diet of the World's Longest-Lived People and Its

> > Potential

> > > Impact on Morbidity and Life Span.

> > > > Ann N Y Acad Sci. 2007 Nov;1114:434-55.

> > > > PMID: 17986602

> > > ........

> > >

> > > Dave

> > > 's Crossroads, VA

> > >

> >

>