Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 What the article fails to mention is that (despite the lack of cancer) with all females banned, the lifespan of the monks only averaged 57 years, because so many had no reason to live longer, and they all just wanted to join their creator in heaven. Just kidding, but it would be interesting to see if they have stellar longevity stats, too. Maco At 05:06 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article3007206.ece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Hi All, The below seems to be of related interest. Cheers, Al http://tinyurl.com/2x68r2 ... Here is the “big picture:” During childhood growth, the body has a high demand for nutrients, particularly iron to make new red blood cells and calcium to make new bone. A state of mineral overload cannot be realized because of the high demand for these nutrients. The growth years are generally disease-free. With the cessation of growth, around age 18, there is a profound change. Now there is a slight excess of these two minerals. The first sign of cellular aging can be observed in living cells under a microscope in this third decade of life. Something called lipofuscin begins to appear. Lipofuscin is comprised of fats and proteins which were once removed by the digestive action of enzymes produced by small bodies inside human cells called lysosomes. Another small body within living cells, called the mitochondria, provides energy for the lysosomes to conduct their garbage-cleaning activity. But the lysosomes and mitochondria begin to rust and calcify, starting in the third decade of life. Lipofuscin can no longer be efficiently removed from living cells. The progressive accumulation of lipofuscin in human cells is a marker of aging. Lipofuscin itself increases free-radical production within cells that leads to gene mutations, aging and disease. Women, being the baby-carriers of the species, must be protected from disease until they have produced offspring. So women have unique ability to control calcium and iron. Menstruation prevents iron overload by loss of about 30 milligrams of iron per cycle in menstrual flow. Estrogen sends a signal to hold calcium in bones and women donate calcium and iron to their babies, preventing their own overload of these two minerals. Men have no such protection. They accumulate excess calcium and iron once childhood growth ceases. Men will accumulate excess iron at the rate of 1 milligram per day of life after age 18, so that by age 40 they will have twice the amount of iron and calcium stored in their body compared to an equally-aged woman, and experience twice the rate of diabetes, cancer and heart disease. An early hysterectomy would eliminate the advantage females have. With the onset of menopause, women experience the same rate of disease as men. This means that biological aging really doesn’t begin till ~age 18. Humans have birthdays, but aren’t really aging till their physical growth ceases. What this tells us is that there must be different diets to facilitate the different nutrient demands during periods of the human lifespan. Childhood diets can be rich in calcium and iron to facilitate growth of bone and new red blood cells. The same goes for fertile females who are producing offspring. However, fertile pre-menopausal women crave more iron and calcium in their diet. Fertile women are often anemic, pale and fatigued. They are often advised to supplement their diet with iron and calcium. Meat, particularly red meat, provides highly absorbable iron. Dairy products are rich in calcium. Women are frequently advised to eat these foods. Females usually do the shopping and cooking in the family, and they tend to buy foods for their own cravings. But male spouses eating a diet selected by their wives, one that is rich in red meat and dairy, will experience accelerated aging and higher rates of disease. This difference can be observed in the unusually long lifespan of the mole rat. Most rodents (mice, rats) live no more than 3 years. The mole rat exhibits unusual longevity – up to 28 years. But this unusual longevity is only seen in female mole rats. The males live about as long as other rodents. Why the unusual longevity among female mole rats? This subterranean rodent menstruates continually. She also produces offspring throughout life. A female mole rat will give birth to about 100 pups a year, thus she continually donates iron and calcium to her offspring. Furthermore, the mole rat has two long protruding teeth to create underground tunnels, and these teeth grow throughout life, and they become a “sink” for calcium. They prevent over-calcification much the way reindeer or other animals shed their antlers to prevent calcium overload. It is likely that humans live much longer if they learned to control these minerals at appropriate times in their lifespan. The female mole rat lives up to 9 times longer than males by controlling minerals. Currently, female humans live only about 5-8 years longer than males. But women predominate among longevinarians. Evidence for the over-mineralization theory of aging is observed among dairy and meat producing countries. The rate of cardiovascular disease is greatest in North America, Ireland, New Zealand and Scandinavian countries, where water and grasslands are abundant to feed cattle. Compare this to Japan, a mountainous island country that juts out of the ocean and has little flat grassland, and low intake of calcium from dairy and iron from red meat. The Japanese have the highest life expectancy of any major country in the world. The “big picture” comes into focus with the story of monks who live in monastic communities near Mount Athos in northern Greece, who recently gained attention in The London Times (December 6, 2007). These monks frequently practice fasting, a direct way to limit overmineralization. They do not eat meat, and for dairy, only limited amounts of cheese. They do occasionally eat fish, which provides them with essential omega-3 oils. Otherwise they eat plenty of home-grown vegetables and olive oil. Whole grain bread, pasta, olives and rice comprise the rest of their diet. They consume red wine with dinner, which is known to contain longevity factors. Very few of these monks develop prostate cancer -- about one fourth the international average. Their rate of lung and bladder cancer is zero. Their discipline to follow this “diet plan” emanates from their Biblical teaching, but it also must be said they don’t have calcium/iron-craving women cooking for them. ... Maco <mstewart@...> wrote: What the article fails to mention is that (despite the lack of cancer) with all females banned, the lifespan of the monks only averaged 57 years, because so many had no reason to live longer, and they all just wanted to join their creator in heaven.Just kidding, but it would be interesting to see if they have stellar longevity stats, too.MacoAt 05:06 PM 12/8/2007, you wrote: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article3007206.ece Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 Interesting article – BUT scientific citations?????? I went to the site below and found that this guy is a “journalist”- not a scientist...... From: Al Pater <old542000@...> Reply-< > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:16:07 -0800 (PST) < > Subject: Re: [ ] Article on Monks Hi All, The below seems to be of related interest. Cheers, Al http://tinyurl.com/2x68r2 .... Here is the “big picture:” During childhood growth, the body has a high demand for nutrients, particularly iron to make new red blood cells and calcium to make new bone. A state of mineral overload cannot be realized because of the high demand for these nutrients. The growth years are generally disease-free. With the cessation of growth, around age 18, there is a profound change. Now there is a slight excess of these two minerals. The first sign of cellular aging can be observed in living cells under a microscope in this third decade of life. Something called lipofuscin begins to appear. Lipofuscin is comprised of fats and proteins which were once removed by the d! igestive action of enzymes produced by small bodies inside human cells called lysosomes. Another small body within living cells, called the mitochondria, provides energy for the lysosomes to conduct their garbage-cleaning activity. But the lysosomes and mitochondria begin to rust and calcify, starting in the third decade of life. Lipofuscin can no longer be efficiently removed from living cells. The progressive accumulation of lipofuscin in human cells is a marker of aging. Lipofuscin itself increases free-radical production within cells that leads to gene mutations, aging and disease. Women, being the baby-carriers of the species, must be protected from disease until they have produced offspring. So women have unique ability to control calcium and iron. Menstruation prevents iron overload by loss of about 30 milligrams of iron per cycle in menstrual flow. Estrogen sends a signal to hold calcium in bones and women donate calcium and iron to their babies, preventing their own overload of these two minerals. Men have no such protection. They accumulate excess calcium and iron once childhood growth ceases. Men will accumulate excess iron at the rate of 1 milligram per day of life after age 18, so that by age 40 they will have twice the amount of iron and calcium stored in their body compared to an equally-aged woman, and experience twice the rate of diabetes, cancer and heart disease. An early hysterectomy would eliminate the advantage females have. With the onset of menopause, women experience the same rate of disease as men. This means that biological aging really doesn’t begin till ~age 18. Humans have birthdays, but aren’t really aging till their physical growth ceases. What this tells us is that there must be different diets to facilitate the different nutrient demands during periods of the human lifespan. Childhood diets can be rich in calcium and iron to facilitate growth of bone and new red blood cells. The same goes for fertile females who are producing offspring. However, fertile pre-menopausal women crave more iron and calcium in their diet. Fertile women are often anemic, pale and fatigued. They are often advised to supplement their diet with iron and calcium. Meat, particularly red meat, provides highly absorbable iron. Dairy products are rich in calcium. Women are frequently advised to eat these foods. Females usually do the shopping and cooking in the family, and they tend to buy foods for their own cravings. But male spouses eating a diet selected by their wives, one that is rich in red meat and dairy, will experience accelerated aging and higher rates of disease. This difference can be observed in the unusually long lifespan of the mole rat. Most rodents (mice, rats) live no more than 3 years. The mole rat exhibits unusual longevity – up to 28 years. But this unusual longevity is only seen in female mole rats. The males live about as long as other rodents. Why the unusual longevity among female mole rats? This subterranean rodent menstruates continually. She also produces offspring throughout life. A female mole rat will give birth to about 100 pups a year, thus she continually donates iron and calcium to her offspring. Furthermore, the mole rat has two long protruding teeth to create underground tunnels, and these teeth grow throughout life, and they become a “sink” for calcium. They prevent over-calcification much the way reindeer or other animals shed their antlers to prevent calcium overload. It is likely that humans live much longer if they learned to control these minerals at appropriate times in their lifespan. The female mole rat lives up to 9 times longer than males by controlling minerals. Currently, female humans live only about 5-8 years longer than males. But women predominate among longevinarians. Evidence for the over-mineralization theory of aging is observed among dairy and meat producing countries. The rate of cardiovascular disease is greatest in North America, Ireland, New Zealand and Scandinavian countries, where water and grasslands are abundant to feed cattle. Compare this to Japan, a mountainous island country that juts out of the ocean and has little flat grassland, and low intake of calcium from dairy and iron from red meat. The Japanese have the highest life expectancy of any major country in the world. The “big picture” comes into focus with the story of monks who live in monastic communities near Mount Athos in northern Greece, who recently gained attention in The London Times (December 6, 2007). These monks frequently practice fasting, a direct way to limit overmineralization. They do not eat meat, and for dairy, only limited amounts of cheese. They do occasionally eat fish, which provides them with essential omega-3 oils. Otherwise they eat plenty of home-grown vegetables and olive oil. Whole grain bread, pasta, olives and rice comprise the rest of their diet. They consume red wine with dinner, which is known to contain longevity factors. Very few of these monks develop prostate cancer -- about one fourth the international average. Their rate of lung and bladder cancer is zero. Their discipline to follow this “diet plan” emanates from their Biblical teaching, but it also must be said they don’t have calcium/iron-craving women cooking for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 As an over 40 male, I know to avoid iron, but am I killing myself by taking calcium supplements? (Calcium and magnesium supplements are commonly recommended for hypertension, which I am prone to). Have never heard mention before that calcium in the diet could be detrimental to men's health. Anyone have information on this? Dave > > Interesting article BUT scientific citations?????? > > I went to the site below and found that this guy is a ³journalist²- not a > scientist...... > > > > From: Al Pater <old542000@...> > Reply-< > > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:16:07 -0800 (PST) > < > > Subject: Re: [ ] Article on Monks > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > The below seems to be of related interest. > > > > Cheers, Al > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/2x68r2 > > > ... Here is the ³big picture:² During childhood growth, the body has a high > demand for nutrients, particularly iron to make new red blood cells and > calcium to make new bone. A state of mineral overload cannot be realized > because of the high demand for these nutrients. The growth years are > generally disease-free. > > > With the cessation of growth, around age 18, there is a profound change. Now > there is a slight excess of these two minerals. > > > The first sign of cellular aging can be observed in living cells under a > microscope in this third decade of life. Something called lipofuscin begins > to appear. Lipofuscin is comprised of fats and proteins which were once > removed by the d! igestive action of enzymes produced by small bodies inside > human cells called lysosomes. Another small body within living cells, called > the mitochondria, provides energy for the lysosomes to conduct their > garbage-cleaning activity. > > > But the lysosomes and mitochondria begin to rust and calcify, starting in > the third decade of life. Lipofuscin can no longer be efficiently removed > from living cells. > > > The progressive accumulation of lipofuscin in human cells is a marker of > aging. Lipofuscin itself increases free-radical production within cells that > leads to gene mutations, aging and disease. > > > Women, being the baby-carriers of the species, must be protected from > disease until they have produced offspring. So women have unique ability to > control calcium and iron. Menstruation prevents iron overload by loss of > about 30 milligrams of iron per cycle in menstrual flow. Estrogen sends a > signal to hold calcium in bones and women donate calcium and iron to their > babies, preventing their own overload of these two minerals. > > > Men have no such protection. They accumulate excess calcium and iron once > childhood growth ceases. Men will accumulate excess iron at the rate of 1 > milligram per day of life after age 18, so that by age 40 they will have > twice the amount of iron and calcium stored in their body compared to an > equally-aged woman, and experience twice the rate of diabetes, cancer and > heart disease. An early hysterectomy would eliminate the advantage females > have. With the onset of menopause, women experience the same rate of disease > as men. > > > This means that biological aging really doesn¹t begin till ~age 18. Humans > have birthdays, but aren¹t really aging till their physical growth ceases. > > > What this tells us is that there must be different diets to facilitate the > different nutrient demands during periods of the human lifespan. > > > Childhood diets can be rich in calcium and iron to facilitate growth of bone > and new red blood cells. The same goes for fertile females who are producing > offspring. > > > However, fertile pre-menopausal women crave more iron and calcium in their > diet. Fertile women are often anemic, pale and fatigued. They are often > advised to supplement their diet with iron and calcium. > > > Meat, particularly red meat, provides highly absorbable iron. Dairy products > are rich in calcium. Women are frequently advised to eat these foods. > > > Females usually do the shopping and cooking in the family, and they tend to > buy foods for their own cravings. > > > But male spouses eating a diet selected by their wives, one that is rich in > red meat and dairy, will experience accelerated aging and higher rates of > disease. > > > This difference can be observed in the unusually long lifespan of the mole > rat. Most rodents (mice, rats) live no more than 3 years. The mole rat > exhibits unusual longevity up to 28 years. But this unusual longevity is > only seen in female mole rats. The males live about as long as other > rodents. Why the unusual longevity among female mole rats? > > > This subterranean rodent menstruates continually. She also produces > offspring throughout life. A female mole rat will give birth to about 100 > pups a year, thus she continually donates iron and calcium to her offspring. > > > Furthermore, the mole rat has two long protruding teeth to create > underground tunnels, and these teeth grow throughout life, and they become a > ³sink² for calcium. They prevent over-calcification much the way reindeer or > other animals shed their antlers to prevent calcium overload. > > > It is likely that humans live much longer if they learned to control these > minerals at appropriate times in their lifespan. The female mole rat lives > up to 9 times longer than males by controlling minerals. Currently, female > humans live only about 5-8 years longer than males. But women predominate > among longevinarians. > > > Evidence for the over-mineralization theory of aging is observed among dairy > and meat producing countries. The rate of cardiovascular disease is greatest > in North America, Ireland, New Zealand and Scandinavian countries, where > water and grasslands are abundant to feed cattle. Compare this to Japan, a > mountainous island country that juts out of the ocean and has little flat > grassland, and low intake of calcium from dairy and iron from red meat. The > Japanese have the highest life expectancy of any major country in the world. > > > The ³big picture² comes into focus with the story of monks who live in > monastic communities near Mount Athos in northern Greece, who recently > gained attention in The London Times (December 6, 2007). > > > These monks frequently practice fasting, a direct way to limit > overmineralization. They do not eat meat, and for dairy, only limited > amounts of cheese. They do occasionally eat fish, which provides them with > essential omega-3 oils. Otherwise they eat plenty of home-grown vegetables > and olive oil. Whole grain bread, pasta, olives and rice comprise the rest > of their diet. They consume red wine with dinner, which is known to contain > longevity factors. Very few of these monks develop prostate cancer -- about > one fourth the international average. Their rate of lung and bladder cancer > is zero. Their discipline to follow this ³diet plan² emanates from their > Biblical teaching, but it also must be said they don¹t have > calcium/iron-craving women cooking for them. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2007 Report Share Posted December 10, 2007 It is true that he does not publish original research articles, although: 1: Sardi B.High-dose vitamin C and iron overload.Ann Intern Med. 2004 May 18;140(10):846; author reply 846-7. No abstractavailable.PMID: 15148082 TO THE EDITOR: The report by Mallory and colleagues (1) may have mistakenly attributed a case of iron overload and accompanying fatigue to high-dose vitamin C supplementation (15 000 mg/d) in a 59-year-old woman who also took an iron supplement. The report stated that "overall iron stores were not increased in the setting of supplementation with moderate doses of vitamin C." However, the reference cited to substantiate this claim was a study conducted among women 20 to 45 years of age who were still controlling iron through monthly menstruation (2). Median age for the onset of menopause is about 52 years (3). Stored iron, measured as serum ferritin, more than doubles after menopause (4). Iron supplementation may worsen existing disease states in menopause (5) and may be contraindicated after menopause in women. It is unlikely that high-dose vitamin C was the cause of the fatigue and iron overload in Mallory and colleagues' patient, who had been taking both supplements for 27 years without sequelae. ... Letters commenting on an ls article will be considered if they are received within 6 weeks of the time the article was published. Only some of the letters received can be published. Published letters are editedFrancesca Skelton <fskelton@...> wrote: Interesting article – BUT scientific citations??????I went to the site below and found that this guy is a “journalist”- not a scientist...... From: Al Pater <old542000 >Reply-< >Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:16:07 -0800 (PST)< >Subject: Re: [ ] Article on Monks Hi All, The below seems to be of related interest. Cheers, Al http://tinyurl.com/2x68r2 ... Here is the “big picture:” During childhood growth, the body has a high demand for nutrients, particularly iron to make new red blood cells and calcium to make new bone. A state of mineral overload cannot be realized because of the high demand for these nutrients. The growth years are generally disease-free. With the cessation of growth, around age 18, there is a profound change. Now there is a slight excess of these two minerals. The first sign of cellular aging can be observed in living cells under a microscope in this third decade of life. Something called lipofuscin begins to appear. Lipofuscin is comprised of fats and proteins which were once removed by the d! igestive action of enzymes produced by small bodies inside human cells called lysosomes. Another small body within living cells, called the mitochondria, provides energy for the lysosomes to conduct their garbage-cleaning activity. But the lysosomes and mitochondria begin to rust and calcify, starting in the third decade of life. Lipofuscin can no longer be efficiently removed from living cells. The progressive accumulation of lipofuscin in human cells is a marker of aging. Lipofuscin itself increases free-radical production within cells that leads to gene mutations, aging and disease. Women, being the baby-carriers of the species, must be protected from disease until they have produced offspring. So women have unique ability to control calcium and iron. Menstruation prevents iron overload by loss of about 30 milligrams of iron per cycle in menstrual flow. Estrogen sends a signal to hold calcium in bones and women donate calcium and iron to their babies, preventing their own overload of these two minerals. Men have no such protection. They accumulate excess calcium and iron once childhood growth ceases. Men will accumulate excess iron at the rate of 1 milligram per day of life after age 18, so that by age 40 they will have twice the amount of iron and calcium stored in their body compared to an equally-aged woman, and experience twice the rate of diabetes, cancer and heart disease. An early hysterectomy would eliminate the advantage females have. With the onset of menopause, women experience the same rate of disease as men. This means that biological aging really doesn’t begin till ~age 18. Humans have birthdays, but aren’t really aging till their physical growth ceases. What this tells us is that there must be different diets to facilitate the different nutrient demands during periods of the human lifespan. Childhood diets can be rich in calcium and iron to facilitate growth of bone and new red blood cells. The same goes for fertile females who are producing offspring. However, fertile pre-menopausal women crave more iron and calcium in their diet. Fertile women are often anemic, pale and fatigued. They are often advised to supplement their diet with iron and calcium. Meat, particularly red meat, provides highly absorbable iron. Dairy products are rich in calcium. Women are frequently advised to eat these foods. Females usually do the shopping and cooking in the family, and they tend to buy foods for their own cravings. But male spouses eating a diet selected by their wives, one that is rich in red meat and dairy, will experience accelerated aging and higher rates of disease. This difference can be observed in the unusually long lifespan of the mole rat. Most rodents (mice, rats) live no more than 3 years. The mole rat exhibits unusual longevity – up to 28 years. But this unusual longevity is only seen in female mole rats. The males live about as long as other rodents. Why the unusual longevity among female mole rats? This subterranean rodent menstruates continually. She also produces offspring throughout life. A female mole rat will give birth to about 100 pups a year, thus she continually donates iron and calcium to her offspring. Furthermore, the mole rat has two long protruding teeth to create underground tunnels, and these teeth grow throughout life, and they become a “sink” for calcium. They prevent over-calcification much the way reindeer or other animals shed their antlers to prevent calcium overload. It is likely that humans live much longer if they learned to control these minerals at appropriate times in their lifespan. The female mole rat lives up to 9 times longer than males by controlling minerals. Currently, female humans live only about 5-8 years longer than males. But women predominate among longevinarians. Evidence for the over-mineralization theory of aging is observed among dairy and meat producing countries. The rate of cardiovascular disease is greatest in North America, Ireland, New Zealand and Scandinavian countries, where water and grasslands are abundant to feed cattle. Compare this to Japan, a mountainous island country that juts out of the ocean and has little flat grassland, and low intake of calcium from dairy and iron from red meat. The Japanese have the highest life expectancy of any major country in the world. The “big picture” comes into focus with the story of monks who live in monastic communities near Mount Athos in northern Greece, who recently gained attention in The London Times (December 6, 2007). These monks frequently practice fasting, a direct way to limit overmineralization. They do not eat meat, and for dairy, only limited amounts of cheese. They do occasionally eat fish, which provides them with essential omega-3 oils. Otherwise they eat plenty of home-grown vegetables and olive oil. Whole grain bread, pasta, olives and rice comprise the rest of their diet. They consume red wine with dinner, which is known to contain longevity factors. Very few of these monks develop prostate cancer -- about one fourth the international average. Their rate of lung and bladder cancer is zero. Their discipline to follow this “diet plan” emanates from their Biblical teaching, but it also must be said they don’t have calcium/iron-craving women cooking for them. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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