Re: French Paradox -paradox? or parahoax?

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could a portion of the paradox be child mortality. I understand that in

Europe that a premature death of an infant less than 3.3 pounds is not

counted as a death and thus their infant mortality rates are lower. This

would have an impact on their total longevity.

Positive Dennis

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Hi All, Parahoax, yes. Cheers, Al Pater http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy From: "bill4cr" <bill4cr@...> http://www.marininstitute.org/alcohol_policy/french_drinking.htm

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Hi folks:

I recall posting a link here about eighteen months ago to a color-coded map of the world showing life expectancy by country.

As I noted at the time, not a single country that had a coastline on the Mediterranean was coded with the highest/best/longest color. No, not France, not Italy, not Greece. None of them.

If anyone feels motivated ............ an archive search using 'Rodney' as the author and 'life expectancy' as either the subject or in the text, probably would find it.

Rodney.

>> Hi All,> > Parahoax, yes.> > Cheers, Al Pater

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OOOOPS! CORRECTION

It was Al Pater who originally posted the world life expectancy map, not me. I commented on what I thought its significance was.

The post was #25,054

Sorry about that Al !

Rodney.

> >> > Hi All,> >> > Parahoax, yes.> >> > Cheers, Al Pater>

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Try ( " WHO " and life expectancy and map)

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/

funny how often you can just type what you want it the url line.

regards

[ ] Re: French Paradox -paradox? or parahoax?

Hi folks: I recall posting a link here about eighteen months ago to a

color-coded map of the world showing life expectancy by country. As I

noted at the time, not a single country that had a coastline on the

Mediterranean was coded with the highest/best/longest color. No, not

France, not Italy, not Greece. None of them. If anyone feels

motivated ............ an archive search using 'Rodney' as the

author and 'life expectancy' as either the subject or in the text,

probably would find it. Rodney.

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I'm not sure the world map or the paradoxes tell me anything about lifespan.

Especially you and I.

The U.S. has an ethnic that contains American Indians, blacks, Orientals.

And as bad as our diet might be, what we eat today is largely not what our

parents ate.

Are we concerned about average lifespan or how long WE will live?

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/ (notice the map numbers do not agree

with the chart, U.S> is 78.2 or 77.71?)

Has a life expectancy calculator. Pegs me at 55 yo at 72 yo actual. LE 94.

That sorta agrees with other calculators, but none of those is CR related.

So it's based on results, not what we eat, or the calories we eat.

I wonder how many of the people in other countries actually eat as the

studies describe, ie, does the study of one group in Spain or Greece have

anything to do with the total life expectancy in those countries?

Regards

[ ] Re: French Paradox -paradox? or parahoax?

OOOOPS! CORRECTION It was Al Pater who originally posted the world

life expectancy map, not me. I commented on what I thought its

significance was. The post was #25,054 Sorry about that Al !

Rodney.

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Parahoax, yes.

> >

> > Cheers, Al Pater

>

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Iceland is #2. Icelanders probably don’t get much sun exposure, so I assume it’s not the Vit D that they’re (not) getting. What would account for their long life expectancy?

The U.S. is only 31 – pretty bad.

From: JWWRIGHT6 <jwwright@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:41:01 -0800

< >, Rodney <perspect1111@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: French Paradox -paradox? or parahoax?

I'm not sure the world map or the paradoxes tell me anything about lifespan.

Especially you and I.

The U.S. has an ethnic that contains American Indians, blacks, Orientals.

And as bad as our diet might be, what we eat today is largely not what our

parents ate.

Are we concerned about average lifespan or how long WE will live?

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/ (notice the map numbers do not agree

with the chart, U.S> is 78.2 or 77.71?)

Has a life expectancy calculator. Pegs me at 55 yo at 72 yo actual. LE 94.

That sorta agrees with other calculators, but none of those is CR related.

So it's based on results, not what we eat, or the calories we eat.

I wonder how many of the people in other countries actually eat as the

studies describe, ie, does the study of one group in Spain or Greece have

anything to do with the total life expectancy in those countries?

Regards

[ ] Re: French Paradox -paradox? or parahoax?

OOOOPS! CORRECTION It was Al Pater who originally posted the world

life expectancy map, not me. I commented on what I thought its

significance was. The post was #25,054 Sorry about that Al !

Rodney.

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Parahoax, yes.

> >

> > Cheers, Al Pater

>

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At 11:23 AM 2/4/2008, JWWRIGHT6 wrote:

>Try ( " WHO " and life expectancy and map)

><http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/>http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/

>

>funny how often you can just type what you want it the url line.

The thing is the life expectancy map is so similar to the GDP per

capita map:

http://www.maps.com/ref_map.aspx?pid=12861

People in wealthy countries tend to live longer.

But what's most interesting is to compare the differences in the life

expectancy rankings (given on the link JWWRIGHT6 posted) and the GDP

per capita rankings.

http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/infopays/rank/PNBH2.html

Iceland, for example is high in both (#2 in lifespan and #5 in

wealth). The US however is high in wealth (#5) but low in lifespan

(#31). France is #16 in wealth, but #7 in lifespan. Spain is even

more striking. Spain is not very rich (#26) but the Spanish live

long (#5).

I think I'll make some paella for dinner. ;-)

Fadden

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Fish often have a good deal of Vit D in 'em?

I came out 19 years younger. I LIKE that website.

;-)

Maco

At 02:59 PM 2/4/2008, you wrote:

Iceland is #2.

Icelanders probably don’t get much sun exposure, so I assume it’s not the

Vit D that they’re (not) getting. What would account for their long

life expectancy?

The U.S. is only 31 – pretty bad.

From: JWWRIGHT6 <jwwright@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:41:01 -0800

< >, Rodney

<perspect1111@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: French Paradox -paradox? or

parahoax?

I'm not sure the world map or the paradoxes tell me anything about

lifespan.

Especially you and I.

The U.S. has an ethnic that contains American Indians, blacks,

Orientals.

And as bad as our diet might be, what we eat today is largely not what

our

parents ate.

Are we concerned about average lifespan or how long WE will

live?

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/ (notice the map numbers do

not agree

with the chart, U.S> is 78.2 or 77.71?)

Has a life expectancy calculator. Pegs me at 55 yo at 72 yo actual. LE

94.

That sorta agrees with other calculators, but none of those is CR

related.

So it's based on results, not what we eat, or the calories we

eat.

I wonder how many of the people in other countries actually eat as

the

studies describe, ie, does the study of one group in Spain or Greece

have

anything to do with the total life expectancy in those countries?

Regards

[ ] Re: French Paradox -paradox? or

parahoax?

OOOOPS! CORRECTION It was Al Pater who originally

posted the world

life expectancy map, not me. I commented on what I thought its

significance was. The post was #25,054 Sorry

about that Al !

Rodney.

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Parahoax, yes.

> >

> > Cheers, Al Pater

>

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http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/le_test.php

I don't know if I believe the life expectancy test. It says my life

expectancy is 110 and that I'm chronologically 33 years younger than I

really am.

Diane

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It said the same for me. These tests leave a lot to be desired.

From: Diane Walter <dianepwalter@...>

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Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:07:43 -0000

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Subject: [ ] Re: French Paradox -paradox? or parahoax?

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/le_test.php

I don't know if I believe the life expectancy test. It says my life

expectancy is 110 and that I'm chronologically 33 years younger than I

really am.

Diane

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Hi folks:

Well this test says I should live to be 102. I think there is a

reasonable chance of that, given what I know as of today. But who

knows what news tomorrow may bring, lol.

However it also says my present age is 38 which, imo, doesn't make

much sense. I am quite sure my telomeres are shorter than those of

the average 38-year-old, even if my C-reactive protein (which they

didn't ask for, unfortunately) is, as measured, way below that of

the average 38-year-old.

So I think that subtracting from your chronological age the number

of years you are expected to live beyond the average lifespan (which

seems to be what they are doing), is not a very realistic way to

measure current age. But their lifespan prediction may make some

sense, imo.

If people want, I am sure I can dig up a test of this type which

gives much less optimistic predictions. Let me know if you want to

see it.

What is interesting though is that none of these tests that I know

of take account of either CR or ON, except indirectly. That

presumably causes them to understate our expected lifespans.

Similarly, they do not take acount of future medical breakthroughs

which might, possibly, extend our lives a lot further.

Rodney.

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> It said the same for me. These tests leave a lot to be desired.

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> From: Diane Walter <dianepwalter@...>

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> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:07:43 -0000

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> http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/le_test.php

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> I don't know if I believe the life expectancy test. It says my

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> expectancy is 110 and that I'm chronologically 33 years younger

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> really am.

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> Diane

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Sure go ahead. But I think we’ve seen ‘em all, haven’t we? If you have a new one that hasn’t been posted yet that will be more realistic, let’s have a go at that one.

From: Rodney <perspect1111@...>

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Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:01:25 -0000

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Subject: [ ] Re: French Paradox -paradox? or parahoax?

If people want, I am sure I can dig up a test of this type which

gives much less optimistic predictions. Let me know if you want to

see it.

Rodney.

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> It said the same for me. These tests leave a lot to be desired.

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> From: Diane Walter <dianepwalter@...>

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> http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/le_test.php

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> I don't know if I believe the life expectancy test. It says my

life

> expectancy is 110 and that I'm chronologically 33 years younger

than I

> really am.

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> Diane

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Hi Francesca:

I wasn't saying I thought there were others that are more realistic. Just some that give answers which are less optimistic, and which, given what we know about CRON in animals, make less sense to me for predicting lifespan than the test presently under discussion.

It seems to me that it would be helpful if there was a test which, in addition to the usual questions, included some measures, with heavy weightings, reflecting CR and ON, separately as components, which then applied a longevity factor depending on the degree of CR and the extent of compliance with the RDAs. It might also take account of avoidance of nasty substances - including nasty 'foods' - and an emphasis on foods known (or very much believed) to have special beneficial health characteristics (anti-oxidant; anti-inflammatory; cruciferous vegetables; ........).

The test at Realage.com gives a far less optimistic lifespan prediction for me, and I assume would for others also. But, given what we think we know about the lifespan-lengthening effects of CRON in animals, I seems very likely to me that it is less realistic for people on CRON, not more so.

Rodney.

>> Sure go ahead. But I think we¹ve seen Œem all, haven¹t we? If you have a> new one that hasn¹t been posted yet that will be more realistic, let¹s have> a go at that one.> > From: Rodney perspect1111@...> Reply- > Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:01:25 -0000> > Subject: [ ] Re: French Paradox -paradox? or parahoax?> > If people want, I am sure I can dig up a test of this type which> gives much less optimistic predictions. Let me know if you want to> see it. > > > Rodney.

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Probably no one knows but I suspect the diffs are in the analysis.

EG, take 80 +/- 2 is less than 5% error.

Perhaps the diff is just the quality of the data.

Regards

Re: [ ] Re: French Paradox -paradox? or parahoax?

I'm not sure the world map or the paradoxes tell me anything about lifespan.

Especially you and I.

The U.S. has an ethnic that contains American Indians, blacks, Orientals.

And as bad as our diet might be, what we eat today is largely not what our

parents ate.

Are we concerned about average lifespan or how long WE will live?

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/ (notice the map numbers do not agree

with the chart, U.S> is 78.2 or 77.71?)

Has a life expectancy calculator. Pegs me at 55 yo at 72 yo actual. LE 94.

That sorta agrees with other calculators, but none of those is CR related.

So it's based on results, not what we eat, or the calories we eat.

I wonder how many of the people in other countries actually eat as the

studies describe, ie, does the study of one group in Spain or Greece have

anything to do with the total life expectancy in those countries?

Regards