Re: 'Dr. Mercola' refers to those practicing CRas foolish

[Guest guest]

While we are drifting off topic, the evidence favors the assessment that we as a population are not willing to do what it takes to manage our diet. This is surely one part human nature with more than a little help from the food industry who only wants to maximize their profits and a drug industry that would prefer to medicate a chronic condition than cure or avoid it in the first place, again to maximize profits... I read a quote the other day.. a crook is just a businessman without enough capital to form a proper corporation. :-)JROn Sep 10, 2007, at 2:57 PM, jwwright wrote:Not to disagree,the problem I have with the doctors, in general, and not to criticize them either, is they assume we CANNOT do something halfway difficult like changing our diet. There is a drone in the journal articles that they must select a less than ideal diet to fit a comfort zone of the American public to get any change at all.So, eg, what I first thought was a good diet, the Mediterranean diet, by the time it got to publication, it was watered down to that  false acceptance level. It is plain obvious that the people who call themselves CRers are able to restrict themselves to the point of fasting, enduring osteo, whatever to find the answer. As I  recall, it wasn't until the CR approach was promoted that we began to get contradictions, or "other" suggestions, other hypotheses. To me the CR answer is obvious - we incur less insult by less oxidation due to less food intake.  Regards.    

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

Somewhere I read that Dr. Mercola is an 'osteopath'.

Can someone who knows please tell us if osteopaths are 'real' doctors

(i.e. takes seven+ years of hard work and real examinations to

qualify) or, rather, graduates of one of those correspondence course-

type snake oil institutions, like chiropractors, homeopaths, tea leaf

readers, and others in the 'alternative medicine' business? ; ^ )))

Serious question about what the term 'osteopath' means though.

Rodney.

>

> >

> > Not to disagree,

> > the problem I have with the doctors, in general, and not to

> > criticize them either, is they assume we CANNOT do something

> > halfway difficult like changing our diet. There is a drone in

the

> > journal articles that they must select a less than ideal diet to

> > fit a comfort zone of the American public to get any change at

all.

> > So, eg, what I first thought was a good diet, the Mediterranean

> > diet, by the time it got to publication, it was watered down to

> > that false acceptance level.

> >

> > It is plain obvious that the people who call themselves CRers

are

> > able to restrict themselves to the point of fasting, enduring

> > osteo, whatever to find the answer. As I recall, it wasn't

until

> > the CR approach was promoted that we began to get

contradictions,

> > or " other " suggestions, other hypotheses.

> >

> > To me the CR answer is obvious - we incur less insult by less

> > oxidation due to less food intake.

> >

> >

> > Regards.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Not to disagree,

the problem I have with the doctors, in general, and not to criticize them either, is they assume we CANNOT do something halfway difficult like changing our diet. There is a drone in the journal articles that they must select a less than ideal diet to fit a comfort zone of the American public to get any change at all.

So, eg, what I first thought was a good diet, the Mediterranean diet, by the time it got to publication, it was watered down to that false acceptance level.

It is plain obvious that the people who call themselves CRers are able to restrict themselves to the point of fasting, enduring osteo, whatever to find the answer. As I recall, it wasn't until the CR approach was promoted that we began to get contradictions, or "other" suggestions, other hypotheses.

To me the CR answer is obvious - we incur less insult by less oxidation due to less food intake.

Regards.

Re: [ ] 'Dr. Mercola' refers to those practicing CRas "foolish"

We have had many posts about Mercola’s non-standing in the scientific/nutritional community. He’s listed on “quackwatch”. See /message/25099 IIRC his training is in dentistry. Better to cite the studies about insulin (which I am aware do exist) than to mention Mercola as some sort of authority.

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[Guest guest]

It seems that my original post, in which I referred to Mercola in

quotes as 'Dr. Mercola' and also referred to him as a guru that

convinces himself of what the truth is without proper evidence was

not enough to make clear that this guy should not be taken as

anything close to an authority on health and nutrition. (He also

strongly supports the idea that coconut oil is health food.)

>

> > Hi folks:

> >

> > Somewhere I read that Dr. Mercola is an 'osteopath'.

> >

> > Can someone who knows please tell us if osteopaths are 'real'

doctors

> > (i.e. takes seven+ years of hard work and real examinations to

> > qualify) or, rather, graduates of one of those correspondence

course-

> > type snake oil institutions, like chiropractors, homeopaths, tea

leaf

> > readers, and others in the 'alternative medicine' business? ;

^ )))

> >

> > Serious question about what the term 'osteopath' means though.

>

> --Osteopathy is an alternative medical training route that usually

delivers

> its graduates to the same residencies that " normal " MDs undergo

before they

> can become licensed malpractitioners, so often the end product is

similar to

> that of the traditional MD route, although I'm sure MDs would take

issue

> with such a claim.

>

> --As the Source of All Wisdom puts it:

>

> Osteopathy is an approach to healthcare

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare> that emphasizes the role

of the

> musculoskeletal system

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musculoskeletal_system>

> in health <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health> and disease

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease> . In most countries

osteopathy is a

> form of complementary medicine

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complementary_medicine> , emphasizing

a

> holistic approach <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holism> and the

skilled use

> of a range of manual and physical treatment

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment> interventions ( Osteopathic

> Manipulative Medicine

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathic_Manipulative_Medicine> ,

or OMM in

> the United States) in the prevention and treatment of disease. In

practice,

> this most commonly relates to musculoskeletal problems such as back

and neck

> pain. Many osteopaths see their role as facilitating the body's own

> recuperative powers by treating musculoskeletal or somatic

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somatic> dysfunction. According to

the

> American Osteopathic Association

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Osteopathic_Association> ,

the

> difference between an osteopath and an osteopathic physicians is

often

> confused. [1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathy#_note-0> In

the

> United States, Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Osteopathic> (D.O.s) are

fully

> licensed <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licensure> medical

physicians

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician> and surgeons

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgery> . Just like M.D.s

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Medicine> , D.O.s practice

the full

> scope of medicine <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine> , but

with an

> emphasis on the role of the musculoskeletal system. Outside the

United

> States, the practice rights of U.S.-trained Doctors of Osteopathic

medicine

> varies.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathy

>

> For what it's worth, the best internal medicine guy I've had was

> coincidentally an osteopath (he's since traded in his GP revolver

for an

> allergy-specialist minigun).

>

> Maco

>