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hi alana i totaly know what your sayn that why i think gina idea of a sma gay/bi

group sounds good so we are all openly free to descuses our relationships

without any ill fellings

 

lauramechelle

From: Alana <alrt@...>

Subject: OT: Thread on Sexual Orientation, cont. Plus Being Allies

for Each Other

Date: Monday, 17 November, 2008, 10:33 PM

Yay for the bi's! Yay for ALL the queer folk here! It's nice to

find community within community.

For years I never felt a need to seek out people with the same

disability as mine. I've grown up with a cross-disability identity,

especially working for so long in the Independent Living Movement. I

have very similar respiratory concerns as those for people with

quadruplegia and all types of neuromuscular diseases; folks with

cerebral palsy and multiple sclerosis are talked down to just like I

am by strangers in line at the bank and post office; and deaf people,

blind people, and people with cognitive impairments face employment

discrimination in ways similar to my own experience. I've always

felt like " we're all in this together. "

It was not until I got seriously ill in a way with which no one else

I knew was dealing, that I sought out others with SMA. It'll be

almost 6 years since Bettylou referred me here. Thank you! I never

found anyone with the same health problems I have, but I was pleased

to find a vibrant community of innovative and industrious people here.

When I introduced myself I told people I was bisexual, and hoped to

find other queer folk, too. Some wrote me off-list and others were

more publically out. Since then I've been struck by how silent many

group members get when someone mentions a same-sex partner. The

response is markedly different or off-list from when a heterosexual

partner is mentioned. " Hope you and have a great time! " might

be posted, but no such post goes to the list from those same people

if " " is a " Jane. "

In a community like this, sexual orientation shouldn't matter, but it

does. I live in a queer mecca here in Northern California where most

people don't assume things about people's sexual orientation. It's

amazing to be disabled here, also, because a lot of people don't

assume someone has a disability or not. Disability and sexual

orientation are things that aren't always visible, but the way these

identities make us feel when interacting within a group, and the ways

we are treated, are as varied as the individuals we are. I wish I

didn't witness so much silence here when sexual orientation in on the

table.

I am thrilled that more people are coming out on this list, and I

can't help but notice that many of these folks are younger. It shows

a change in our world, that we are becoming more confident about our

differences, and that we are becoming more accepting of each other.

Every day I work hard to be an ally to those who are different from

me. Recently, I especially find myself advocating for the freedom of

my friends and family members to express their religious beliefs even

though I am an atheist. It's uncomfortable for me that there is a

split between some communities of faith and the queer community. On

both sides we are seeing people be very divisive. I am angry that

churches and temples are being vandalized in the name of gay rights.

I am equally angry that some religious organizations have actively

encouraged their members to fund efforts to ban same-sex civil rights.

I bring this up because I'm uncomfortable with silence and divisions

even in this small and close-knit community. We are usually

wonderful allies to each other. I feel the silence and disapproval.

I am hopeful that we can more categorically be supportive of each

other about things that are core to who we are.

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Love is good - however expressed.

I agree, I am an old lady now, and yet I am still saddened by the way people

judge. When I lived in London, I was lucky enough to have a huge amount of

friends, some straight, some gay, some bi, and some... Well, some who don't

need or want labels. I worked in counselling for 15 years, and for a short

while during that time was working for a Christian based HIV focussed

charity - my eyes were opened to just how loving, caring and completely open

they were, aged 16 to 82, and how much work they did that other

organisations with grander aspirations, had flitted over and ignored. They

were Quakers. I am still a pagan (for want of a better term, not keen on

labels for my beliefs).

Life is too short, whether you live to 90 or like many we have known who

don't make their first year. Too short not to at least talk about stuff we

find uncomfortable, and try to build bridges that we can still express love

without prerequisites.

We all have fears, dislikes, and even hates (I really, really, don't like

anything with more than four legs...! Seriously, they can outrun me and are

usually stronger), but isn't that the great thing about being a thinking

being? We also can simply not understand or think, and ignorance is the

killer.

If there is anyone who is not comfortable with the queer thread, fine, ok,

just hit delete - but if you want to talk, or learn, or ever just listen -

that's cool too.

Sorry if I stated the obvious Alana and just reiterated :)

Best love,

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of Alana

Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 9:33 PM

Subject: OT: Thread on Sexual Orientation, cont. Plus Being

Allies for Each Other

Yay for the bi's! Yay for ALL the queer folk here! It's nice to

find community within community.

For years I never felt a need to seek out people with the same

disability as mine. I've grown up with a cross-disability identity,

especially working for so long in the Independent Living Movement. I

have very similar respiratory concerns as those for people with

quadruplegia and all types of neuromuscular diseases; folks with

cerebral palsy and multiple sclerosis are talked down to just like I

am by strangers in line at the bank and post office; and deaf people,

blind people, and people with cognitive impairments face employment

discrimination in ways similar to my own experience. I've always

felt like " we're all in this together. "

It was not until I got seriously ill in a way with which no one else

I knew was dealing, that I sought out others with SMA. It'll be

almost 6 years since Bettylou referred me here. Thank you! I never

found anyone with the same health problems I have, but I was pleased

to find a vibrant community of innovative and industrious people here.

When I introduced myself I told people I was bisexual, and hoped to

find other queer folk, too. Some wrote me off-list and others were

more publically out. Since then I've been struck by how silent many

group members get when someone mentions a same-sex partner. The

response is markedly different or off-list from when a heterosexual

partner is mentioned. " Hope you and have a great time! " might

be posted, but no such post goes to the list from those same people

if " " is a " Jane. "

In a community like this, sexual orientation shouldn't matter, but it

does. I live in a queer mecca here in Northern California where most

people don't assume things about people's sexual orientation. It's

amazing to be disabled here, also, because a lot of people don't

assume someone has a disability or not. Disability and sexual

orientation are things that aren't always visible, but the way these

identities make us feel when interacting within a group, and the ways

we are treated, are as varied as the individuals we are. I wish I

didn't witness so much silence here when sexual orientation in on the

table.

I am thrilled that more people are coming out on this list, and I

can't help but notice that many of these folks are younger. It shows

a change in our world, that we are becoming more confident about our

differences, and that we are becoming more accepting of each other.

Every day I work hard to be an ally to those who are different from

me. Recently, I especially find myself advocating for the freedom of

my friends and family members to express their religious beliefs even

though I am an atheist. It's uncomfortable for me that there is a

split between some communities of faith and the queer community. On

both sides we are seeing people be very divisive. I am angry that

churches and temples are being vandalized in the name of gay rights.

I am equally angry that some religious organizations have actively

encouraged their members to fund efforts to ban same-sex civil rights.

I bring this up because I'm uncomfortable with silence and divisions

even in this small and close-knit community. We are usually

wonderful allies to each other. I feel the silence and disapproval.

I am hopeful that we can more categorically be supportive of each

other about things that are core to who we are.

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,

You rock. And you didn't reiterate. You helped push the silence

back. I especially like how you address what we can do with these

short lives.

Cheers!

Al

>

> Love is good - however expressed.

>

>

>

> Life is too short, whether you live to 90 or like many we have

known who

> don't make their first year. Too short not to at least talk about

stuff we

> find uncomfortable, and try to build bridges that we can still

express love

> without prerequisites.

>

>

>

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Hi mechelle,

I totally understand the value of having a separate place to share with

people more like oneself. It is why I've been in women's support

groups, and a disabled women's theater group, and a youth group at my

church growing up, and in an anti-nuclear direct action affinity group

in the '80s, and an advocate in the Disability Rights Movement, and

even why I've been willing to be the token cripple in classes training

HIV counselors and domestic violence counselors. We all need to feel

we belong and we all need support.

I am fortunate to have found an amazing community around me, so I am

less in need of a separate group where I can be myself. As those

who've known me for a while, I am myself unapologetically pretty much

wherever I go. ;) I can see how a queer SMA group might be a really

great thing for people and I'm sure it will fill a need. My point,

though, is that I'm hopeful that we can be supportive to each other

here in this group, even when we disagree about things, without having

to be silent about significant parts of who we are.

Alana

>

> hi alana i totaly know what your sayn that why i think gina idea of a

sma gay/bi group sounds good so we are all openly free to descuses our

relationships without any ill fellings

>  

> lauramechelle

>

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Alana, , michelle and everyone who is following this thread

I love you!! I am so Happy we are having this conversation ‘right here,

right now’ I hope that it is ok to stay in the mainstream, for so many years

I have felt that I cannot be my whole self on one list or another – even in

the work I do I have to ‘dumb down’ my views, my SMA, my sexuality or my

‘womaness’,

I am so lucky that my small circle of friends and I live in queer world and

that they understand disability but to have you all discussing this – that

you are like me’ is so powerful for me. I would like to stay on this list,

unless there is an objection from others.

I have loads more to say but I am only typing 10 words a minute at the mo

and I need to cough and sleep

I’ll say more tomorrow, hopefully

Lots of love

and

xxx xxxx xxx

From: [mailto: ] On

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Sent: 17 November 2008 22:25

Subject: Re: OT: Thread on Sexual Orientation, cont. Plus Being

Allies for Each Other

Hi mechelle

I totally understand the value of having a separate place to share with

people more like oneself. It is why I've been in women's support

groups, and a disabled women's theater group, and a youth group at my

church growing up, and in an anti-nuclear direct action affinity group

in the '80s, and an advocate in the Disability Rights Movement, and

even why I've been willing to be the token cripple in classes training

HIV counselors and domestic violence counselors. We all need to feel

we belong and we all need support.

I am fortunate to have found an amazing community around me, so I am

less in need of a separate group where I can be myself. As those

who've known me for a while, I am myself unapologetically pretty much

wherever I go. ;) I can see how a queer SMA group might be a really

great thing for people and I'm sure it will fill a need. My point,

though, is that I'm hopeful that we can be supportive to each other

here in this group, even when we disagree about things, without having

to be silent about significant parts of who we are.

Alana

>

> hi alana i totaly know what your sayn that why i think gina idea of a

sma gay/bi group sounds good so we are all openly free to descuses our

relationships without any ill fellings

> Â

> lauramechelle

>

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i too am tired of having bits of me here and bits there, and for me that

also includes issues around class, so personally would prefer not to have

to separate sexuality issues to another group. i am generally pretty

asexual but if push came to shove i would jump in the bi boat!

btw a late welcome nat from another brit, i am 45, sma 2, and live with two

men, two hens and one poodle. if you want to IM i am on as annaquayuk,

skype as annaquay and lindajmoss@... on google chat. also gina! i

have missed you!!!

linda

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> Alana, , michelle and everyone who is following this thread

>

> I love you!! I am so Happy we are having this conversation 'right here,

> right now' I hope that it is ok to stay in the mainstream, for so many

> years

> I have felt that I cannot be my whole self on one list or another – even in

> the work I do I have to 'dumb down' my views, my SMA, my sexuality or my

> 'womaness',

>

> I am so lucky that my small circle of friends and I live in queer world and

> that they understand disability but to have you all discussing this – that

> you are like me' is so powerful for me. I would like to stay on this list,

> unless there is an objection from others.

>

> I have loads more to say but I am only typing 10 words a minute at the mo

> and I need to cough and sleep

>

> I'll say more tomorrow, hopefully

>

> Lots of love

>

> and

>

> xxx xxxx xxx

>

> From: <%40> [mailto:

> <%40>] On

> Behalf Of Alana

> Sent: 17 November 2008 22:25

> <%40>

> Subject: Re: OT: Thread on Sexual Orientation, cont. Plus

> Being

> Allies for Each Other

>

> Hi mechelle

>

> I totally understand the value of having a separate place to share with

> people more like oneself. It is why I've been in women's support

> groups, and a disabled women's theater group, and a youth group at my

> church growing up, and in an anti-nuclear direct action affinity group

> in the '80s, and an advocate in the Disability Rights Movement, and

> even why I've been willing to be the token cripple in classes training

> HIV counselors and domestic violence counselors. We all need to feel

> we belong and we all need support.

>

> I am fortunate to have found an amazing community around me, so I am

> less in need of a separate group where I can be myself. As those

> who've known me for a while, I am myself unapologetically pretty much

> wherever I go. ;) I can see how a queer SMA group might be a really

> great thing for people and I'm sure it will fill a need. My point,

> though, is that I'm hopeful that we can be supportive to each other

> here in this group, even when we disagree about things, without having

> to be silent about significant parts of who we are.

>

> Alana

>

>

> >

> > hi alana i totaly know what your sayn that why i think gina idea of a

> sma gay/bi group sounds good so we are all openly free to descuses our

> relationships without any ill fellings

> > Â

> > lauramechelle

> >

>

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Not that anyone here was asking for approval, and not that I'm trying to offere

it (i don't have that right!), but.....

I don't really understand why anyone gives a flying frog fart which gender

someone is attracted to. I guess I'm a little socially inept in that way, but I

can't find it in me to care!

I think we'd really be losing something if all of the differently oriented

groups split off, and I'd like to see the free and open communication continue

on chat.

 

 Love and Hugs

         Jeni

                              

________________________________

From: Alana <alrt@...>

Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 3:33:05 PM

Subject: OT: Thread on Sexual Orientation, cont. Plus Being Allies

for Each Other

Yay for the bi's! Yay for ALL the queer folk here! It's nice to

find community within community.

For years I never felt a need to seek out people with the same

disability as mine. I've grown up with a cross-disability identity,

especially working for so long in the Independent Living Movement. I

have very similar respiratory concerns as those for people with

quadruplegia and all types of neuromuscular diseases; folks with

cerebral palsy and multiple sclerosis are talked down to just like I

am by strangers in line at the bank and post office; and deaf people,

blind people, and people with cognitive impairments face employment

discrimination in ways similar to my own experience. I've always

felt like " we're all in this together. "

It was not until I got seriously ill in a way with which no one else

I knew was dealing, that I sought out others with SMA. It'll be

almost 6 years since Bettylou referred me here. Thank you! I never

found anyone with the same health problems I have, but I was pleased

to find a vibrant community of innovative and industrious people here.

When I introduced myself I told people I was bisexual, and hoped to

find other queer folk, too. Some wrote me off-list and others were

more publically out. Since then I've been struck by how silent many

group members get when someone mentions a same-sex partner. The

response is markedly different or off-list from when a heterosexual

partner is mentioned. " Hope you and have a great time! " might

be posted, but no such post goes to the list from those same people

if " " is a " Jane. "

In a community like this, sexual orientation shouldn't matter, but it

does. I live in a queer mecca here in Northern California where most

people don't assume things about people's sexual orientation. It's

amazing to be disabled here, also, because a lot of people don't

assume someone has a disability or not. Disability and sexual

orientation are things that aren't always visible, but the way these

identities make us feel when interacting within a group, and the ways

we are treated, are as varied as the individuals we are. I wish I

didn't witness so much silence here when sexual orientation in on the

table.

I am thrilled that more people are coming out on this list, and I

can't help but notice that many of these folks are younger. It shows

a change in our world, that we are becoming more confident about our

differences, and that we are becoming more accepting of each other.

Every day I work hard to be an ally to those who are different from

me. Recently, I especially find myself advocating for the freedom of

my friends and family members to express their religious beliefs even

though I am an atheist. It's uncomfortable for me that there is a

split between some communities of faith and the queer community. On

both sides we are seeing people be very divisive. I am angry that

churches and temples are being vandalized in the name of gay rights.

I am equally angry that some religious organizations have actively

encouraged their members to fund efforts to ban same-sex civil rights.

I bring this up because I'm uncomfortable with silence and divisions

even in this small and close-knit community. We are usually

wonderful allies to each other. I feel the silence and disapproval.

I am hopeful that we can more categorically be supportive of each

other about things that are core to who we are.

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I agree, Alana! It's been great to see all the recent discussions

circulating on this board around disability AND queer sexuality. I

love the sense of disability community and queer community in the Bay

Area, and found pockets of crossover communities here and there.

However, the best group I found while a student at Cal broke all the

boundaries open and has only been growing stronger called " Are

Cripples Screwed? " It's about time we start discussing it on this

board, also.

I rejoice when I see crossover on this board and elsewhere in life. I

rejoice when people don't tolerate, but respect and accept. I rejoice

when I'm not questioned for making a queer comment while out with my

husband.

<3Kendra

>

> Yay for the bi's! Yay for ALL the queer folk here! It's nice to

> find community within community.

>

> For years I never felt a need to seek out people with the same

> disability as mine. I've grown up with a cross-disability identity,

> especially working for so long in the Independent Living Movement. I

> have very similar respiratory concerns as those for people with

> quadruplegia and all types of neuromuscular diseases; folks with

> cerebral palsy and multiple sclerosis are talked down to just like I

> am by strangers in line at the bank and post office; and deaf people,

> blind people, and people with cognitive impairments face employment

> discrimination in ways similar to my own experience. I've always

> felt like " we're all in this together. "

>

> It was not until I got seriously ill in a way with which no one else

> I knew was dealing, that I sought out others with SMA. It'll be

> almost 6 years since Bettylou referred me here. Thank you! I never

> found anyone with the same health problems I have, but I was pleased

> to find a vibrant community of innovative and industrious people here.

>

> When I introduced myself I told people I was bisexual, and hoped to

> find other queer folk, too. Some wrote me off-list and others were

> more publically out. Since then I've been struck by how silent many

> group members get when someone mentions a same-sex partner. The

> response is markedly different or off-list from when a heterosexual

> partner is mentioned. " Hope you and have a great time! " might

> be posted, but no such post goes to the list from those same people

> if " " is a " Jane. "

>

> In a community like this, sexual orientation shouldn't matter, but it

> does. I live in a queer mecca here in Northern California where most

> people don't assume things about people's sexual orientation. It's

> amazing to be disabled here, also, because a lot of people don't

> assume someone has a disability or not. Disability and sexual

> orientation are things that aren't always visible, but the way these

> identities make us feel when interacting within a group, and the ways

> we are treated, are as varied as the individuals we are. I wish I

> didn't witness so much silence here when sexual orientation in on the

> table.

>

> I am thrilled that more people are coming out on this list, and I

> can't help but notice that many of these folks are younger. It shows

> a change in our world, that we are becoming more confident about our

> differences, and that we are becoming more accepting of each other.

> Every day I work hard to be an ally to those who are different from

> me. Recently, I especially find myself advocating for the freedom of

> my friends and family members to express their religious beliefs even

> though I am an atheist. It's uncomfortable for me that there is a

> split between some communities of faith and the queer community. On

> both sides we are seeing people be very divisive. I am angry that

> churches and temples are being vandalized in the name of gay rights.

> I am equally angry that some religious organizations have actively

> encouraged their members to fund efforts to ban same-sex civil rights.

>

> I bring this up because I'm uncomfortable with silence and divisions

> even in this small and close-knit community. We are usually

> wonderful allies to each other. I feel the silence and disapproval.

> I am hopeful that we can more categorically be supportive of each

> other about things that are core to who we are.

>

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I am so sorry, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek, as although I think would have

a valuable place for those of us who may need to chat in more detail about

something so OT, I was kind of being a bit (un) comical, as I am always right

there in the tiniest minority of all minorities. When I was very young it made

me feel quite scared and alone, but as I grew up I realised that I just didn't

need to fit in to the larger majorities' opinion of what was normal. I never

could, even if I'd tried with all my might ;-)

But seriously, if you ever want to chat, you are really welcome. And if you do

feel that it may be useful to have a group to discuss the practicalities both

emotionally and physically (*smile*), then why don't you start up a group? I

will definitely join :-) It works both ways, segregation and integration and

there will always be good arguments for either option -- which it is, it's

always an option and you are always in charge. Oppression is the thing to avoid

;)

I really hope you are recovering from your broken heart.

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Allies for Each Other

hi alana i totaly know what your sayn that why i think gina idea of a sma gay/bi

group sounds good so we are all openly free to descuses our relationships

without any ill fellings

lauramechelle

From: Alana <alrt@... <mailto:alrt%40comcast.net> >

Subject: OT: Thread on Sexual Orientation, cont. Plus Being Allies

for Each Other

<mailto:%40>

Date: Monday, 17 November, 2008, 10:33 PM

Yay for the bi's! Yay for ALL the queer folk here! It's nice to

find community within community.

For years I never felt a need to seek out people with the same

disability as mine. I've grown up with a cross-disability identity,

especially working for so long in the Independent Living Movement. I

have very similar respiratory concerns as those for people with

quadruplegia and all types of neuromuscular diseases; folks with

cerebral palsy and multiple sclerosis are talked down to just like I

am by strangers in line at the bank and post office; and deaf people,

blind people, and people with cognitive impairments face employment

discrimination in ways similar to my own experience. I've always

felt like " we're all in this together. "

It was not until I got seriously ill in a way with which no one else

I knew was dealing, that I sought out others with SMA. It'll be

almost 6 years since Bettylou referred me here. Thank you! I never

found anyone with the same health problems I have, but I was pleased

to find a vibrant community of innovative and industrious people here.

When I introduced myself I told people I was bisexual, and hoped to

find other queer folk, too. Some wrote me off-list and others were

more publically out. Since then I've been struck by how silent many

group members get when someone mentions a same-sex partner. The

response is markedly different or off-list from when a heterosexual

partner is mentioned. " Hope you and have a great time! " might

be posted, but no such post goes to the list from those same people

if " " is a " Jane. "

In a community like this, sexual orientation shouldn't matter, but it

does. I live in a queer mecca here in Northern California where most

people don't assume things about people's sexual orientation. It's

amazing to be disabled here, also, because a lot of people don't

assume someone has a disability or not. Disability and sexual

orientation are things that aren't always visible, but the way these

identities make us feel when interacting within a group, and the ways

we are treated, are as varied as the individuals we are. I wish I

didn't witness so much silence here when sexual orientation in on the

table.

I am thrilled that more people are coming out on this list, and I

can't help but notice that many of these folks are younger. It shows

a change in our world, that we are becoming more confident about our

differences, and that we are becoming more accepting of each other.

Every day I work hard to be an ally to those who are different from

me. Recently, I especially find myself advocating for the freedom of

my friends and family members to express their religious beliefs even

though I am an atheist. It's uncomfortable for me that there is a

split between some communities of faith and the queer community. On

both sides we are seeing people be very divisive. I am angry that

churches and temples are being vandalized in the name of gay rights.

I am equally angry that some religious organizations have actively

encouraged their members to fund efforts to ban same-sex civil rights.

I bring this up because I'm uncomfortable with silence and divisions

even in this small and close-knit community. We are usually

wonderful allies to each other. I feel the silence and disapproval.

I am hopeful that we can more categorically be supportive of each

other about things that are core to who we are.

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Hi there! Seriously got to sort out my telephone so that I can make phone

calls again! Perhaps you could send me your number off-list?

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> Being

> Allies for Each Other

>

> Hi mechelle

>

> I totally understand the value of having a separate place to share with

> people more like oneself. It is why I've been in women's support

> groups, and a disabled women's theater group, and a youth group at my

> church growing up, and in an anti-nuclear direct action affinity group

> in the '80s, and an advocate in the Disability Rights Movement, and

> even why I've been willing to be the token cripple in classes training

> HIV counselors and domestic violence counselors. We all need to feel

> we belong and we all need support.

>

> I am fortunate to have found an amazing community around me, so I am

> less in need of a separate group where I can be myself. As those

> who've known me for a while, I am myself unapologetically pretty much

> wherever I go. ;) I can see how a queer SMA group might be a really

> great thing for people and I'm sure it will fill a need. My point,

> though, is that I'm hopeful that we can be supportive to each other

> here in this group, even when we disagree about things, without having

> to be silent about significant parts of who we are.

>

> Alana

>

>

> >

> > hi alana i totaly know what your sayn that why i think gina idea of a

> sma gay/bi group sounds good so we are all openly free to descuses our

> relationships without any ill fellings

> > Â

> > lauramechelle

> >

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