Re: Heavy soy eaters >>>dementia; moderate soy>> OK;

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How about pinto, kidney and red beans?

They score very well on antioxidents, low in fat, high in fiber and

protein. cheap and easy to cook, great in salads....

lc carol

newbie

Francesca Skelton wrote:

Heavy soy eaters >>>dementia; moderate soy>>

OK; (was: Re:Soy >>> Dementia)

What’s wrong with just going heavy on the

veggies, and maybe having some tofu, fish and/or chicken now and then?

No need to cut out soy entirely, just cut down (as the study said, the

dementia results are only indicated for everyday tofu eaters; moderate

eaters were Ok).

I think the previous heading for this thread is misleading; please note

the change in subject heading.

From: Ulf Rasmusson

<ulf.rasmusson@...>

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Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:43:38 +0200

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Subject: [ ] Re:Soy >>> Dementia

Having transited from lean meat to soy

protein with substantial effort, partly to cut methionin - and now a

second study linking tofu to dementia, damn it! Sure, it could be the

formaldehyde and not the estrogens, but wouldn't elementary safety

indicate not going too heavy on soy?

Assuming it's the estrogens that are the culprit, I wonder whether

anything can be said about non-tofu soy products....... The study

indicates that tempe is OK, Rodney hopes natto is OK and for me it is

soy protein (defatted soy beans) - I was just going to buy another 20

kilos from a wholeseller .... hoping I don't have to make a major

dietary shift again.....

//

Ulf

Posted by Rodney:

It looks like there is now another study suggesting a positive

association between some soy products and dementia:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/7490202.stm <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/7490202.stm>

Hopefully not

for natto? ; ^ )))

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol:

I agree. That is my choice of beans. Including checkpeas/garbanzos of course. I also include a small package of (soybean) natto about once a week for the K2.

But pretty well everyone will find, if they check carefully, that they are deficient a few nutrients. You have to know what they are (monitor with CRON-o-Meter, free download), and for those, yes, take supplements just enough to get up to the RDA. I have found that I cannot plug meaningful nutrient deficiencies with a one daily multivitamin. And if I were to take enough multis to plug the deficiencies I would be seriously overloaded with stuff I do not want.

So I have never taken multivitamins since I started seriously monitoring my intake. My usual deficiencies are calcium, zinc and vitamins D and E. One capsule weekly satisfies my zinc and vitamin E requirement. Calcium and D (in winter) I need daily. But everyone will be different.

Rodney.> > What's wrong with just going heavy on the veggies, and maybe having > > some tofu, fish and/or chicken now and then? No need to cut out soy > > entirely, just cut down (as the study said, the dementia results are > > only indicated for everyday tofu eaters; moderate eaters were Ok).> >> > I think the previous heading for this thread is misleading; please > > note the change in subject heading.> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------> > *From: *Ulf Rasmusson ulf.rasmusson@...> > *Reply-* > > *Date: *Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:43:38 +0200> > ** > > *Subject: *[ ] Re:Soy >>> Dementia> >> > > > > >> > Having transited from lean meat to soy protein with substantial > > effort, partly to cut methionin - and now a second study linking tofu > > to dementia, damn it! Sure, it could be the formaldehyde and not the > > estrogens, but wouldn't elementary safety indicate not going too heavy > > on soy?> > > > Assuming it's the estrogens that are the culprit, I wonder whether > > anything can be said about non-tofu soy products....... The study > > indicates that tempe is OK, Rodney hopes natto is OK and for me it is > > soy protein (defatted soy beans) - I was just going to buy another 20 > > kilos from a wholeseller .... hoping I don't have to make a major > > dietary shift again.....> >> > // Ulf> >> > > > Posted by Rodney:> >> > It looks like there is now another study suggesting a positive> > association between some soy products and dementia:> >> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/7490202.stm > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/7490202.stm>> >> > Hopefully not for natto? ; ^ )))> >> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol:

And maybe we need to talk here more than we have in the past about

nutrient **excesses**, and how to avoid them. Iron especially, for

all males and for women over 50. But pretty much all 'minerals' are

dangerous in excess. And some vitamins also.

This is another reason not to take more of them (in multis, for example)

unless you really need them.

But of course no one as far as I know has ever done studies to determine

the intake of each micronutrient that is associated with maximum

lifespan. Perhaps fifty years from now we will see such studies?

Rodney.

> > > What's wrong with just going heavy on the veggies, and maybe

having

> > > some tofu, fish and/or chicken now and then? No need to cut out

soy

> > > entirely, just cut down (as the study said, the dementia results

are

> > > only indicated for everyday tofu eaters; moderate eaters were Ok).

> > >

> > > I think the previous heading for this thread is misleading; please

> > > note the change in subject heading.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

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> > > *From: *Ulf Rasmusson ulf.rasmusson@

> > > *Reply-*

> > > *Date: *Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:43:38 +0200

> > > **

> > > *Subject: *[ ] Re:Soy >>> Dementia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Having transited from lean meat to soy protein with substantial

> > > effort, partly to cut methionin - and now a second study linking

> tofu

> > > to dementia, damn it! Sure, it could be the formaldehyde and not

the

> > > estrogens, but wouldn't elementary safety indicate not going too

> heavy

> > > on soy?

> > >

> > > Assuming it's the estrogens that are the culprit, I wonder whether

> > > anything can be said about non-tofu soy products....... The study

> > > indicates that tempe is OK, Rodney hopes natto is OK and for me it

> is

> > > soy protein (defatted soy beans) - I was just going to buy another

> 20

> > > kilos from a wholeseller .... hoping I don't have to make a major

> > > dietary shift again.....

> > >

> > > // Ulf

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted by Rodney:

> > >

> > > It looks like there is now another study suggesting a positive

> > > association between some soy products and dementia:

> > >

> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/7490202.stm

> > > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/7490202.stm>

> > >

> > > Hopefully not for natto? ; ^ )))

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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