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Vicky and friends,

The NIEHS VSD meeting ended late in the afternoon. My email was down or I

would have responded sooner.

Basically, the CDC (, DeStefano et al.) had the floor and expressed

many concerns regarding the sensitivity

(confidentiality) and limitations of the VSD. DeStefano pointed out all the

IOM studies and tried to leave the

impression that this was a settled issue, implying there was no need. The

presenter from Harvard Pilgrim implied

a threat that HMO's might pull out of the VSD if they felt confidentiality

would be compromised by allowing

access to 'untrustworthy' individuals.

The Geiers were not invited to present their VSD experiences so basically

the CDC had the floor all day. No one

from 'our side' gave any presentations. Baskin made some very good

comments and challenged some of the

points made. There was several of us who complained to the chair and the

assistant director again about the process,

and lack of representation from other individuals with knowledge of the VSD.

I was pleased that the panel asked the CDC officials some tough questions

some that was unable to

satisfy. One panel member complained about the lack of toxicologists at the

meeting.

Initially the panel gave the impression that the VSD had so many limitations

that they didn't know if a study of

this sort could be done. There was much discussion about what a good study

could look like. Finally, they

suggested they might be able to do a study that would review the Verstraeten

study and additional years of

data and perhaps some broader studies looking at susceptible populations,

families with more than

one autistic child. The impression left was that there would be a study of

some kind.

A report will be issued within about three months at which time the public

can comment. Rushing to catch

a flight home or I would give more details.

It is important to note that because of the complaints made about the

process, we were able to change the

agenda and have DeStefano removed as the individual who gave the charge to

the panel. I even saw Bob

reading the A-CHAMP letter to the NIEHS director. Parents were

provided time at the end of the

session to make public comments. It was clear that our letters had an impact

and left an impression.

Bobbie

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Thanks Bobbie and ,

Unless I have it wrong, the intent from the Leiberman/congressional

letter re: the VSD was to use it to compare health outcomes in

unvaccinated and vaccinated children. Was this discussed? Can the

VSD as it currently exists be used to evaluate outcomes in

unvaccinated children?

Vicky

>

> Vicky and friends,

>

> The NIEHS VSD meeting ended late in the afternoon. My email was down

or I

> would have responded sooner.

>

> Basically, the CDC (, DeStefano et al.) had the floor and

expressed

> many concerns regarding the sensitivity

> (confidentiality) and limitations of the VSD. DeStefano pointed out

all the

> IOM studies and tried to leave the

> impression that this was a settled issue, implying there was no

need. The

> presenter from Harvard Pilgrim implied

> a threat that HMO's might pull out of the VSD if they felt

confidentiality

> would be compromised by allowing

> access to 'untrustworthy' individuals.

>

> The Geiers were not invited to present their VSD experiences so

basically

> the CDC had the floor all day. No one

> from 'our side' gave any presentations. Baskin made some very

good

> comments and challenged some of the

> points made. There was several of us who complained to the chair and

the

> assistant director again about the process,

> and lack of representation from other individuals with knowledge of

the VSD.

>

> I was pleased that the panel asked the CDC officials some tough

questions

> some that was unable to

> satisfy. One panel member complained about the lack of toxicologists

at the

> meeting.

>

> Initially the panel gave the impression that the VSD had so many

limitations

> that they didn't know if a study of

> this sort could be done. There was much discussion about what a good

study

> could look like. Finally, they

> suggested they might be able to do a study that would review the

Verstraeten

> study and additional years of

> data and perhaps some broader studies looking at susceptible

populations,

> families with more than

> one autistic child. The impression left was that there would be a

study of

> some kind.

>

> A report will be issued within about three months at which time the

public

> can comment. Rushing to catch

> a flight home or I would give more details.

>

> It is important to note that because of the complaints made about the

> process, we were able to change the

> agenda and have DeStefano removed as the individual who gave the

charge to

> the panel. I even saw Bob

> reading the A-CHAMP letter to the NIEHS director. Parents were

> provided time at the end of the

> session to make public comments. It was clear that our letters had

an impact

> and left an impression.

>

> Bobbie

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> Today's NIEHS meeting

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> > Any news on today's NIEHS meeting on the VSD?

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> > Vicky

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> >

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Thanks, Bobbie, and all the rest!

Barb

Today's NIEHS meeting

> Any news on today's NIEHS meeting on the VSD?

>

>

> Vicky

>

>

>

>

>

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