Re: Tracking Diet

[Guest guest]

Hi Adam:

Welcome.

If you cannot find the food at CRON-o-Meter then it is not in the USDA database. So it is unlikely you will find it anywhere. But try Google searches just in case someone somewhere, who does not have authorization to add data to the database, has the numbers you are looking for.

As an alternative you could enter a food you figure is about the same. For example is there something similar enough to hemp seeds? Sesame seeds perhaps?

Incidentally, why would you be eating these weird things? ; ^ )))

As for balancing intakes, I have just got used to the fact that there are a few nutrients I am almost always deficient, and I supplement them up to the RDA. Just one pill of each deficient nutrient a week is usually plenty in my case. Calcium and vitamin D are exceptions, which I need to get in some form more often.

Hope this helps.

Rodney.

>> how do I find out the nutritional content of food source that > aren't already on the list. (like hemp seeds, bee pollen, > Chlorella, or even spelt bread.)> > Also what software would you suggest for what Dr Walford calls "bin packing", suggesting a food to make up for deficiencies?

[Guest guest]

I would write to the manufacturer to request the full nutritional

analysis. They either have it or can have it done by a lab.

>

> I am just starting my adventure in CR diet. I read Dr Waldford's

book. To start I am just

> tracking what I currently eat using the CRON O Meter. Great

software but how do I find out

> the nutritional content of food source that aren't already on the

list. (like hemp seeds, bee

> pollen, Chlorella, or even spelt bread.)

>

> Also what software would you suggest to do what Dr Waldford

calls " bin packing " ,

> suggesting a food to make up for deficiencies. His is software is

not currently available on

> his website and it does not seem to run on windows XP or mac which

is what I have available.

>

[Guest guest]

Francesca Skelton wrote:

> I would ask you the same question. Products such as you mentioned

are designed to make someone (else) wealthy, not to make you healthy

:-)) Don¹t fall for the nonsensical claims they make.

>

Rodney aksed,

Incidentally, why would you be eating these weird things? ; ^ )))

I'm surprised smart people like yourselves aren't better informed. To

answer the above questions...

Let's start with Chlorella. Chlorella is a widely researched algae.

It contains

Moisture: 3.6%

Protein: 60.5%

Fat: 11.0%

Carbohydrate: 20.1%

Fiber: 0.2%

Ash: 4.6%

Calories: 421/100 g

Vitamins and Minerals

Vitamin A activity: 55,500.0 IU/100g

B-carotene: 180.8 mg/100g

Chlorophyll a 1,469.0mg /100g

Chlorophyll b 613.0 mg/100g

Thiamine (vitamin B-1) 1.5mg/100g

Riboflavin (vitamin B-2) 4.8 mg/100g

Pyridoxine (vitamin B-6) 1.7 mg/100g

Vitamin B-12 125.9 mcg/100g

Vitamin C 15.6 mg/100g

Vitamin E 1.0 IU/100g

Niacin 23.8 mg/100g/TD>

Pantothenic acid 1.3 mg/100g

Folic acid 26.9 mcg/100g

Biotin 191.6 mcg/100g

PABA 0.6 mg/100g

Inositol 165.0 mg/100g

Calcium 203.0 mg/100g

Phosphorus 989.0 mg/100g

Iodine 600.0 mcg/100g

Magnesium 315.0 mg/100g

Iron 167.0mg/100g

Zinc 71.0 mg/100g

Copper 0.08 mg/100g

Fatty Acids

Unsaturated fatty acids 81.8%

Saturated fatty acids 18.2%

C14:0 0.6%

C14:1 0.9%

C14:2 0.9%

C16:0 15.6%

C16:1 9.1%

C16:2 5.5%

C16:3 17.1%

C18:0 2.0%

C18:1 10.0%

C18:2 15.5%

C18:3 22.8%

Amino Acids

Lysine 3.46

Cystine: 0.38

Histidine 1.29

Valine 3.64

Arginine 3.64

Methionine 1.45

Aspartic acid 5.20

Isoleucine 2.63

Threonine 2.70

Leucine 5.26

Serine 2.78

Tyrosine 2.09

Glutamic acid 6.29

Phenylalanine 3.08

Proline 2.93

Ornithine 0.06

Glycine 3.40

Tryptophan 0.59

Alanine 4.80

For those of you that need studies you can find that it is a great

source of vitamin B12

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12656203

Another study that examines it's nutritional profile can be found here

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6T4D-3RH6WPV-X & _user=1\

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ion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=60084b8448dd1cb7f591e7ba1ef2ec11

Does it affect longevity? If cleansing the body of heavy metals and

dioxins will increase longevity than chlorella will increase

longevity. The research on chlorella's ability to bind and safely

remove metals from the body with out damaging the kidneys is

voluminous and proven. Here is just one artical on mercury removal

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/routledg/cjne/2001/00000011/00000001/art00\

006

Here is one showing chlorella removes dioxins from breast milk

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17472477?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn\

trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Here is one on chlorella reducing hypertension

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17330510?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEn\

trez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

This one shows A hot water extract of Chlorella pyrenoidosa reduces

body weight and serum lipids in ovariectomized rats

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/107632123/abstract?CRETRY=1 & SRETRY=0

And do understand CR diet is in part about lowering body weight.

The list goes on...

As For Spelt Bread...

It is no secret that many people have wheat allergies, I am not sure

if you need a pub med article for proof or if you will simply take my

clinical experience as proof. If you need proof here is one article

http://www.co-allergy.com/pt/re/coallergy/abstract.00130832-200306000-00009.htm;\

jsessionid=LQySf6MM2Tx7jvGRvx2pw71s00Gs1yNQxJzR03vNXx6mvFb5WGq1!1750372989!18119\

5628!8091!-1

Spelt grain happens to be a good wheat alternative for many. Avoiding

allergens will reduce inflammatory response of the body, and while I

have not looked for a scientific paper to prove it, common sense

dictates that a body that is not having an allergic response to it's

food sources will have increased health and well being.

Bee pollen...

At $5-$10 a pound depending how it's purchased it's hardly an attempt

to take my money. It's one of the cheapest supplements I buy. It's

not for everyone as some people have allergies to it. I do not. Many

sources say it has no known therapeutic affect but I do not take take

it for a therapeutic affect I take it for it's density of b vitamins,

flavanoids, (anti-oxidants) and trace minerals.

Will antioxidants help me live longer? You have read Dr W's book...

who knows really but this study says it's high in antioxidants

" Thus, the prepared extracts of bee-collected flower pollen may be

regarded as effective natural and functional dietary food supplement

due to their remarkable content of polyphenol substances and

significant radical scavenging capacity with special regard to their

nutritional–physiological implications and their health promoting effect. "

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6W6D-43HSVXH-3 & _user=1\

0 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt= & _orig=search & _sort=d & view=c & _acct=C000050221 & _version=1 & _urlVers\

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flavonoids

this one discusses the specific flavonoids found in bee pollen

" Bee pollen is a mix of bee-collected floral pollens

which varies widely in composition. Investigation of

pollen collected by the stingless bee Scaptotrigona

bipunctata yielded four flavonoid aglycones: myricetin,

dihydromyricetin, quercetin and isorhamnetin. The

structures were established from spectroscopic data

(NMR) of the natural substances. "

http://www.sbfgnosia.org.br/admin/pages/revista/artigo/arquivos/421-2003_40_41.p\

df

And finally this study

Influence of diet supplemented with mixed bee -pollen on rat health

Auteur(s) / Author(s)

FARAG Radwan S. ; GAAFAR Ahmed M. ; ARAFA Sahar A. ;

showed

" The basal diet supplemented with mixed bee-pollen induced a lowering

lipid effect, increased HDL-cholesterol, progesterone, calcium levels,

and the fertility of the elderly female rats. "

So, I am attempting to have optimal nutrition.

And I do not believe eating such things are weird at all.

Sincerely,

Adam

[Guest guest]

,

If you mean that the numbers are misleading because they are not given

per serving then I see what you mean. But they are not claiming to

recommend a serving sizes, nor have I ever heard anyone imply that

one should try derive their total nutrient intake for the day from

chlorella, it is as the word implies a dietary supplement.

However, on your suggestion, I went through the trouble of doing a

cost analysis of the nutrients in chlorella. I was surprised myself

to find that chlorella was in line with other foods I compared it to.

It was cheaper for some nutrients and more expensive for others. At

$300 per mg of copper I would not recommend it as a cost effective way

to get copper, but a 6.25 per mg of B2 it's better than a lot of foods.

So let me correct your statement, chlorella is relatively expensive

per gram (net

weight) compared to other foods but is not relatively expensive when

one compares

the cost per unit of nutrient.

I purchased 250 g of chlorella for $75 ($30/100 grams) I compared

that to foods I enjoy eating based on the dietary info from the

CRON-O-Meter.

Wild Chinook Salmon, fresh, cooked dry heat. at $25 per pound or $5.5/

100gram (Todays price at my local fish store)

Asparagus, cooked, organic about $10 per pound $2.2/ 100 gram

Apples, raw, organic $2.5 per pound or $0.55/ 100 gram

Here is a sample of what I calculated, I can send my whole spread

sheet if you want.

Vit A. per IU $0.001 Chlorella

$0.002 Asparagus

$0.010 Apples

$0.011 Salmon

Vit B6 per Mg $17.64 Chlorella

$22.04 Asparagus

none in apples

$11 salmon

Vit B12 per microgram $0.23 chlorella

$1.89 Salmon

Calcium per mg $0.14 chlorella

$0.09 Asparagus

$0.09 apples

$0.19 salmon

Magnesium per mg $0.09 chlorella

$0.15 Asparagus

$0.11 apples

$0.04 salmon

BTY the article you referred to about B12 in chlorella was

interesting and educational (thank you for the reference) but it

states plainly

in the conclusion that the results were inconclusive and further study

would need to be done to see it is a valid source of B12 or not.

All I have to go on is the nutritional values

that has been published on chlorella, (and for that matter all the

other foods). If a credible source says this information is wrong

let's get the correct info out there. But if the nutritional content

is not being questioned then it is good a source of

nutrition.

As for spelt...

I referred to wheat allergy, not gluten allergy. They are not the

same thing. Many people react to wheat but can eat other grains/foods

that have gluten but no wheat. Spelt is nice alternative for those

people as it is the most similar to wheat when baked in taste and

texture (compared to other alternative grains) and doesn't cost much

more. I don't know if you have ever tried rice or corn baked goods,

but I have, and they are not what I would consider to be yummy

In regard to bee pollen I stated that it is not for everyone.

Most of the studies which you cited are about the negative reactions

a few people have to it. Many people have also had negative reactions

to nuts, some

have even died, that doesn't make nuts a bad food. And as Francesca

stated in another post " Studies of large numbers of subjects are

needed to be able to assess any true benefits. "

or in this case negative affects. Incidentally, one of the other

article you referenced was a 1978 article saying that bee

pollen doesn't enhance sports performance. I did not understand the

relevance of

that article in this discussion?

I was asked " why would I eat such a

food? " The answer is because it is dense and well rounded in

nutrition and has antioxidants. That is my understanding of what a low

calorie optimal nutrition diet is about?

There is no question that CRON can be practiced without these foods.

One can also do CRON without eating liver, but that doesn't take away from

the fact that liver is an excellent source of nutrients.

Yes, I agree that some people hype these foods and make false claims

about them but

that doesn't change their nutritional value. It seems they meet CRON

criteria based on amount on nutrient per calorie.

As for being expensive, that's relative to income and perceived value.

BUT, please if I am being hoodwinked and someone knows that these

foods do not contain the

nutrients they claim to contain then please put up a post so we can

all be better informed.

Sincerely,

Adam

[Guest guest]

Jeff,

I'm not sure on the technical definition of " food " but as far as I

know ginger, nori (seaweed), sugar, and Mc's french fries (and

I could list hundreds of others) are considered foods, but they would

not " sustain life and provide the needed energy and nutrients/substance. "

No one is discussing mono-dieting, especially not on a supplement.

The reason chlorella is considered to be a food is because it is an

edible algea that grows in nature. It is not fabricated in a

laboratory like most vitamins that we buy. It is, as you say, a

supplement, but it's a " whole food supplement "

I used to get low-grade headaches that interfered with my

ability to think. Someone suggested it may be an allergy. I did

an allergy elimination diet and found out that I reacted to wheat. I

switched to spelt and rye and the symptoms went away. When I would

eat wheat the symptoms would return. No peer-reviewed double-blind

study, or allergist's opinion can change my experience.

I understand clearly that you believe " These are novelties at best and

unlike real foods, are expensive and unnecessary " but that is

opinion, not science.

Adam

[Guest guest]

Francesca,

I'm not sure why the source that I learned about chlorella from has

any bearing, but since you are interested, it was originally from

Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, PhD. I have learned more about it from other

books, including Healing With Whole Foods: Oriental Traditions and

Modern Nutrition: by Pitchford and various other sources. In

case you're wondering, and since you brought up his name in another

post, I started using chlorella before I knew that Dr. Mercola existed.

I have no idea where first heard of bee pollen.

Hope that helps you and good luck improving your health.

sincerely,

Adam

>

> Hello Adam: I notice my query below has gone unanswered. And

although JR

> doesn¹t care where you first heard about these supplements, I (and

perhaps

> others) would be interested. I am always searching for new/better

ways to

> improve my health and if I could be convinced, might add these items

to my

> regimen.

>

> You can respond off-list if you¹d rather. Of course no response is

also ³a

> response².

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Pritiken sells food (not cheap mind you) books, cd's and sessions

at his institute. Dr walford sells books and software. By your own

criterea they are no longer credible sources. At least we still have

Dr. Ornish.

Cheers,

Adam

> >

> > Hello Adam: I notice my query below has gone unanswered. And

> although JR

> > doesn¹t care where you first heard about these supplements, I (and

> perhaps

> > others) would be interested. I am always searching for new/better

> ways to

> > improve my health and if I could be convinced, might add these items

> to my

> > regimen.

> >

> > You can respond off-list if you¹d rather. Of course no response is

> also ³a

> > response².

> >

> > Thanks in advance.

> >

> >

> >

>