fitday

[Guest guest]

--- jeannekrieg@... wrote:

> Do you have the online version? Or the downloadable

> version that costs 20 bucks?

No. :-(

The sofware is only for PC. The probably hook people

in with the idea, and then if you really want it to

function you have to buy the software -- not that I

wouldn't do it if it were compatible with my

computer...

Jeanne OTS

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[Guest guest]

What can you do with the downloadable version that you can't do with

the free version?

Del

> Do you have the online version? Or the downloadable version that

costs 20 bucks? I finally purchased that version as I was having

problems myself. I don't have Mac either.

>

> Jeanne OTN

[Guest guest]

What can you do with the downloadable version that you can't do with

the free version?

Del

You know it has been so long since I have been using the downloadable version

that I don't remember. I know that there is more graphs etc. and it was quicker

to put the information in. You can also create custom foods and favorite foods

in the food log section.

I make this soup and I have figured out how much carbs, fat, protein etc. that

is in a 1 cup serving so I enter that in as a custom food..........than I don't

have to put in 2 ounces of this or 1/4 cup of that.

I had several friends who were using the downloadable version and kept telling

me how much faster and easier it was to use so I finally just purchased it. I

have since changed computers and emailed with my password and was able to

download it again to this computer at no cost.

Jeanne otn

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[Guest guest]

>

> I notice a bunch of people here are into counting calories. This is

a bad

> practice in my experience and best avoided. It works for some

though. I did

> it for years and it nearly drove me mad. It can lead to a terrible

obsession

> with food that is just unhealthy. You shouldn't need to count

calories if

> you are eating the right foods. Just my opinion, of course. Lots of

people

> count calories. I consider it dangerous and unnecessary practice.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

For me, as a food addict, being in control of my food

is an absolute necessity, even on this program.

Otherwise I tend to start over-doing the protein and

under-doing the veggies.

Without keeping track of things like calories, ratios

and exercise, I'm unable to see patterns and links

when I run into a roadblock. It was this type of

journaling that allowed me to see the coconut oil

connection.

Not to mention that one of the most important ways I

manage my food addiction, is to make sure I eat just

enough.. not too much and not too little. Otherwise I

start heading towards the binge/starve cycle which is

much worse.

Forgive me for saying so but I think in this case Dirk

you speak for the minority rather than the majority.

Many people find their salvation in having a plan...

as they say, if you fail to plan, you plan to fail.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- Dirk Coetsee <dirk.coetsee@...> wrote:

> I notice a bunch of people here are into counting

> calories. This is a bad

> practice in my experience and best avoided. It works

> for some though. I did

> it for years and it nearly drove me mad. It can lead

> to a terrible obsession

> with food that is just unhealthy. You shouldn't need

> to count calories if

> you are eating the right foods. Just my opinion, of

> course. Lots of people

> count calories. I consider it dangerous and

> unnecessary practice.

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Today is the most important day.

[Guest guest]

Dirk,

I don't know about everyone but I do know that many of us, myself included,

use Fitday to keep tabs on the ratios of Fats-Proteins-Carbs, not

necessarily calories. Sure, I look at the total calories and quite frankly

am astonished to be losing so much weight so easily on the number I consume

each day. But I also know that's because I keep my ratios in check and am

eating good healthy foods.

Ellen

[ ] FitDay

>I notice a bunch of people here are into counting calories. This is a bad

> practice in my experience and best avoided. It works for some though. I

> did

> it for years and it nearly drove me mad. It can lead to a terrible

> obsession

> with food that is just unhealthy. You shouldn't need to count calories if

> you are eating the right foods. Just my opinion, of course. Lots of people

> count calories. I consider it dangerous and unnecessary practice.

[Guest guest]

I used fit day to track my nutrients and set up supplements. It is

a great tool to see how you are doing with that as most of us don't

know what vitamins and minerals truly are in our food and some

therefore over dose on uneccesary vit. & Min. I do also use it to

see the fat/carb/protein ratios. Calories are deceptive.

Lou Ann

>

> I notice a bunch of people here are into counting calories. This

is a bad

> practice in my experience and best avoided. It works for some

though. I did

> it for years and it nearly drove me mad. It can lead to a terrible

obsession

> with food that is just unhealthy. You shouldn't need to count

calories if

> you are eating the right foods. Just my opinion, of course. Lots

of people

> count calories. I consider it dangerous and unnecessary practice.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can see your concerns Dirk. It is thoughtful of you to extend a

warning to all of us based on your personal experiences.

Actually, with the healthy plan that Bee has developed for us all to

follow to help us claim our health back, I think we need something

like Fitday to help us to see how it all works so we can get a handle

on what we need to balance out in our personal health plans.

It is not so much a 'bad practice' as you say Dirk, but it is a great

help to all of us so we can see the checks and balances we need to

make to pull this new way of eating all together and make it work for

us.

I myself am not so much focusing on calories as much as I want to

learn how to create a healthy balance in my food intake.

I think once I can see how Bee's healthy diet plan flows, I won't

need to use Fitday so much. It's kind of like learning to ride a

bike. You need training wheels for a while until you learn how to

balance it yourself and ride on your own. :-)

Everyone needs to find what works best for them. For myself, Fitday

is the training wheels I need for now, and along with the great

support and information I am recieving through Bee's forum I believe

my journey to health will be a successful one.

Hope yours will be too!

Debra NW

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" Tiger Lily " <sweettiger@...> wrote:

Dirk,

I don't know about everyone but I do know that many of us, myself

included, use Fitday to keep tabs on the ratios of Fats-Proteins-

Carbs, not necessarily calories. Sure, I look at the total calories

and quite frankly am astonished to be losing so much weight so easily

on the number I consume each day. But I also know that's because I

keep my ratios in check and am eating good healthy foods.

Ellen

----- Original Message -----

From: " Dirk Coetsee " <dirk.coetsee@...>

I notice a bunch of people here are into counting calories. This is a

bad practice in my experience and best avoided. It works for some

though. I did it for years and it nearly drove me mad. It can lead

to a terrible obsession with food that is just unhealthy. You

shouldn't need to count calories if you are eating the right foods.

Just my opinion, of course. Lots of people count calories. I consider

it dangerous and unnecessary practice.

[Guest guest]

>

> I notice a bunch of people here are into counting calories. This is

a bad practice in my experience and best avoided. It works for some

though. I did it for years and it nearly drove me mad. It can lead to

a terrible obsession with food that is just unhealthy. You shouldn't

need to count calories if you are eating the right foods. Just my

opinion, of course. Lots of people count calories. I consider it

dangerous and unnecessary practice.

==>I agree with you wholeheartedly Dirk. No one should not be

counting calories ever! This is from:

http://homodiet.netfirms.com/disorders/obesity1.htm

" Scientific investigations proved that a fat-rich diet cannot cause

obesity, heart and vasculature diseases, but causes low blood

pressure, low blood cholesterol, zero incidence of atheroselerosis

and obesity, very high physical efficiency which reduces minimally

with the progression of age. The possibility of developing diabetes

or a disease of the joints is eliminated.

Optimal nutrition should always be implemented immediately, without

any adjustment period. Depending on the degree of obesity, and the

type of coexisting diseases caused by a common cause, the proportion

between protein and fat has to be initially readjusted to 1 gram of

protein to 2-3 grams of fat, and 0.5 g of carbohydrate. ****Calories

should not be counted at any time, with one exception - they should

be counted when buying food.****

One should have no fears that during a rapid reduction of body weight

using the optimal diet the skin will become old and wrinkled or

floppy on the abdomen. To the contrary. The skin typically becomes

smooth and contracts " as required " . In January 1996 during a get

together with the past patients from Arkadia I (Dr J. Kwasniewski)

spoke to the man whose weight in 1987 was 155 kg and who then was

gravely ill. At that meeting he weighed in at 75 kg, was slim,

healthy, physically and mentally very active, had a fantastic skin

and continued to work, all that being ... 80 years old. "

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi listmates,

I am noticing in Fitday that it never shows any vitamin k on my

nutrient report. Are other people having the same problem?

, land

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi listmates,

> I am noticing in Fitday that it never shows any vitamin k on my

> nutrient report. Are other people having the same problem?

>

> , land

>

Hi , et al.,

I register vitamin K on fitday. In fact, today I had a small shock at

how much k I had consumed today.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello Bee,

>

> Thanks for answering my last questions.

>

> I come up with a Protein/Carb/Fat Ratio of 78 grams/pro- 62 grams/carbs-188to

263grams/fat. I did a chart today of the food I eat and I am in good range with

fats at 213, but my carbs are closer to 75grams and my protien is at 114grams.

So I know i got to work to lower both. I have two questions for you today.

> 1.I believe I may have read an increase in protein is ok as long as you have

approriate increase in fat. If I am at 214grams of fat and can Icontinue my

protein intake at 114grams as opposed to the recommended 78grams.

>

> 2. Measuring cooked vegetables. When it list the option of cups, is this

measuring the vegetables cooked I assume? Per example a lot more cooked Kale

fits into 1 cup as opposed to uncooked Kale. Just want to make sure I am doing

it right.

+++Hi Casey,

1. Yes more protein is quite okay if you are consuming enough fats (to at least

the lower range of your ratios, i.e. 188 grams per day).

2. You have to pick cooked vegetables first, not raw, since the nutrients and

size are different, i.e. 1 cup of uncooked vegetables would be less food packed

in it to make 1 cup, than 1 cup of cooked vegetables.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee,

Adding to question below. I always wonder if I'm doing it right too. So,

once you select cooked vegetables then u subtract fiber and that is your

actual carb calculation??

I usually have mixed vegggies and input each vegetable individually in fit

day. However sometimes it makes it difficult because I might just have one

or two pieces of one veggie and alot more of another.

So the " cooked vegetable " option is easier but wonder if fitday is including

veggies such as carrots, etc which we don't eat and are higher in carbs.

Thank you!

Jess

On Feb 4, 2011 7:48 AM, " Bee " <beeisbuzzing2003@...> wrote:

>

>>

>> Hello Bee,

>>

>> Thanks for answering my last questions.

>>

>> I come up with a Protein/Carb/Fat Ratio of 78 grams/pro- 62

grams/carbs-188to 263grams/fat. I did a chart today of the food I eat and I

am in good range with fats at 213, but my carbs are closer to 75grams and my

protien is at 114grams. So I know i got to work to lower both. I have two

questions for you today.

>

>> 1.I believe I may have read an increase in protein is ok as long as you

have approriate increase in fat. If I am at 214grams of fat and can

Icontinue my protein intake at 114grams as opposed to the recommended

78grams.

>>

>> 2. Measuring cooked vegetables. When it list the option of cups, is this

measuring the vegetables cooked I assume? Per example a lot more cooked Kale

fits into 1 cup as opposed to uncooked Kale. Just want to make sure I am

doing it right.

>

> +++Hi Casey,

> 1. Yes more protein is quite okay if you are consuming enough fats (to at

least the lower range of your ratios, i.e. 188 grams per day).

>

> 2. You have to pick cooked vegetables first, not raw, since the nutrients

and size are different, i.e. 1 cup of uncooked vegetables would be less food

packed in it to make 1 cup, than 1 cup of cooked vegetables.

>

> Bee

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Adding to question below. I always wonder if I'm doing it right too. So, once

you select cooked vegetables then u subtract fiber and that is your actual carb

calculation??

+++Hi Jess,

You've misunderstood, since you wouldn't select " cooked vegetables " as a

category since you don't know what vegetables fitday is including in it.

If you are eating a cooked vegetable you select that specific vegetable cooked,

i.e. cooked spinach.

If you are eating a raw vegetable you select that specific vegetable raw, i.e.

raw tomato.

Follow the instructions in Fitday.com - How to use it to subtract fiber, as

follows:

" Note: Every time you enter vegetables, and after you've selected the correct

quantity and Recalculated totals, write down the amount of fibres in it, since

you will need to subtract the total amount of fibres from your total carbs after

you've entered all of the foods. Fitday cannot calculate this for you. "

Bee