Re: alpha-lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine

[Guest guest]

Bruce Ames, who developed the world-standard Ames test for mutagenicity,

started looking into mitochondrial function and came to support a product

with the unfortunate name of Juvenon, although my opinion is that the

ingredients and claims make sense. I heard Ames talk in 1991, and the guy

impressed me

Here is a website with some articles germane to this topic.

http://juvenon.com/science/scientific.htm

Maco

At 10:50 AM 6/16/2008, you wrote:

Hi

folks:

I know some people here take, or used to take, the

above supplements. Does anyone have any new thoughts about their

merits? I have never taken them and am wondering if I should.

One of the supposed benefits is improved brain

function. It might be interesting to take some kind of

'mental alertness' tests before starting on them. Take the

supplements for a month, and then take the tests again at the end of the

month to see if there is a measurable difference. Does anyone have

any thoughts about the kind of tests that might be worth trying if one

was going to do an experiment of this kind?

Even better, does anyone know of any human studies

of the effects of these supplements on brain function?

Some information about this can be found here:

http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPdf/CARNLIPOSUPP.pdf

http://snipurl.com/2j9je

Thanks.

Rodney.

Maco

acting Chief of Staff, Office of the Chief Information Officer

Los Alamos National Laboratory

505-665-5175

505-664-8410 pager

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, there are no subjective articles on that page as noted here:

“At least one author of each article is a member of Juvenon's Scientific Advisory Board.”

From: Maco <mstewart@...>

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 11:39:49 -0600

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Subject: Re: [ ] alpha-lipoic acid and acetyl-L-carnitine

Bruce Ames, who developed the world-standard Ames test for mutagenicity, started looking into mitochondrial function and came to support a product with the unfortunate name of Juvenon, although my opinion is that the ingredients and claims make sense. I heard Ames talk in 1991, and the guy impressed me

Here is a website with some articles germane to this topic.

http://juvenon.com/science/scientific.htm

<http://juvenon.com/science/scientific.htm> Maco

At 10:50 AM 6/16/2008, you wrote:

Hi folks:

I know some people here take, or used to take, the above supplements. Does anyone have any new thoughts about their merits? I have never taken them and am wondering if I should.

One of the supposed benefits is improved brain function. It might be interesting to take some kind of 'mental alertness' tests before starting on them. Take the supplements for a month, and then take the tests again at the end of the month to see if there is a measurable difference. Does anyone have any thoughts about the kind of tests that might be worth trying if one was going to do an experiment of this kind?

Even better, does anyone know of any human studies of the effects of these supplements on brain function?

Some information about this can be found here:

http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPdf/CARNLIPOSUPP.pdf

http://snipurl.com/2j9je

Thanks.

Rodney.

Maco

acting Chief of Staff, Office of the Chief Information Officer

Los Alamos National Laboratory

505-665-5175

505-664-8410 pager

[Guest guest]

I took thm for some time, but I did not notice any difference. I

think that these supplements may be more important for vegetarians

than for those who have an omnivorous diet. Notice the food sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipoic_acid

Food sources:

Lipoic acid is found in a variety of foods, notably kidney, heart and

liver meats as well as spinach, broccoli and potatoes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcarnitine

Food Sources:

Animal brain

Tony

>

>

> Hi folks:

>

> I know some people here take, or used to take, the above supplements.

> Does anyone have any new thoughts about their merits? I have never

> taken them and am wondering if I should.

>

> One of the supposed benefits is improved brain function. It might be

> interesting to take some kind of 'mental alertness' tests before

> starting on them. Take the supplements for a month, and then take the

> tests again at the end of the month to see if there is a measurable

> difference. Does anyone have any thoughts about the kind of tests that

> might be worth trying if one was going to do an experiment of this kind?

>

> Even better, does anyone know of any human studies of the effects of

> these supplements on brain function?

>

> Some information about this can be found here:

>

>

http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPdf/CARNLIPOSUP\

> P.pdf

>

<http://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/htdocs/Chem_Background/ExSumPdf/CARNLIPOSU\

> PP.pdf>

>

> http://snipurl.com/2j9je <http://snipurl.com/2j9je>

>

> Thanks.

>

> Rodney.

>