Trans Fats

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In a message dated 12/14/03 1:19:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jaltak@... writes:

> There should be some info here.

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/oiling.html

>

> At the bottom if you click on the " Back " button it will take you to a list

> of other articles on fats.

I've read the article before, as well as all of the other articles on the

WAPF site, and don't recall any of the info I was requesting. I just looked

back

and scanned the trans fats section of Oiling... and didn't find anything.

I've also read 's book and heard her lecture on trans fats, and I don't

recall her ever mentioning experimental evidence.

Chris

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In a message dated 12/14/03 2:40:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cassiusdio@... writes:

> Maybe in the next decade we'll see some good studies on trans fats.

> But I'm not holding my breath because I have no desire to eat anything

> but cis fats anyway.

I'd put the emphasis on saturated fats ;-)

Chris

[Guest guest]

There should be some info here.

http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/oiling.html

At the bottom if you click on the " Back " button it will take you to a list

of other articles on fats.

Judith Alta

-----Original Message-----

Has anyone come across any evidence about the mechanism by which trans fats

induce the specific health problems they are associated with?

I've posed this question before but never gotten any responses. Perhaps

some

people have come across something in their research since then.

Most of the research I've seen on trans fats has been epidemiological rather

than experiemental. While trans fats are clearly associated with decreased

visual accuity, cancer, insulin resistance, and a variety of other

disorders,

it's unclear to me whether or not trans fats play an active role in the

etiology

of these disorders.

All of the disorders I've seen connected to trans fats are also connected to

EFA deficiency, and trans fats have clearly been associated with deficient

*dietary* intake of EFA deficiency, at least in part because hydrogenation

destroys EFAs (or rather converts them to other fatty acids that are not

EFAs).

So if anyone has any research that sheds light on whether these problems are

due primarily to EFA deficiency or are actually due to the trans fats

themselves, I'd appreciate it.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Chris: the grant money for such research would have to come solely

from the NIH or NSF or other gov't science agency, and not have any

funding from the food industry because the industry would never fund a

study designed to test a hypothesis that damns the industry anyway.

This fact greatly reduces the chances that such a study---a study

designed specifically to test a trans fats group and a control group

for health effects, ideally longitudinally---would ever be performed.

My guess is there haven't been any such studies, and even if there

have, probably there haven't been enough to draw any real conclusions

(one study alone is basically useless; you need a significant body of

studies to satisfactorily " show " something).

Maybe in the next decade we'll see some good studies on trans fats.

But I'm not holding my breath because I have no desire to eat anything

but cis fats anyway.

Tom

> In a message dated 12/14/03 1:19:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> jaltak@v... writes:

>

> > There should be some info here.

> >

> > http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/oiling.html

> >

> > At the bottom if you click on the " Back " button it will take you

to a list

> > of other articles on fats.

>

> I've read the article before, as well as all of the other articles

on the

> WAPF site, and don't recall any of the info I was requesting. I

just looked back

> and scanned the trans fats section of Oiling... and didn't find

anything.

> I've also read 's book and heard her lecture on trans fats, and

I don't

> recall her ever mentioning experimental evidence.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Er, yeah, I forgot that trans/cis refer only to unsaturated fats.

Tom

> In a message dated 12/14/03 2:40:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> cassiusdio@g... writes:

>

> > Maybe in the next decade we'll see some good studies on trans fats.

> > But I'm not holding my breath because I have no desire to eat anything

> > but cis fats anyway.

>

> I'd put the emphasis on saturated fats ;-)

>

> Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think things HAVE to change from now on. To me the best behavior to rebel

against is boycotting but to boycott of course you have to know the truth.

Simona

Trans fats

The FDA will require food manufactures to list the amount of trans

fats by 2006. Per a threatened lawsuit, Nabisco is working on taking

the hydrogenated oils out of their Oreo Cookies. Certainly many

other manufacturers will begin to follow suit. Vegetable oils are

very inexpensive to make and allow huge profit margins. That's why

they use them.

Also, the USDA which has jurisdiction over the food pyramid, is to

have final recommendations on changes to the food pyramid by June

2004. They've finally realized there is a problem!

FYI - " the US spends upwards of 90 percent of our food dollars on

highly processed industrialized foods; it's no wonder the we, as a

nation, are now beset with obesity and many chronic diseases. " Bill

Sanda WAPF.

[Guest guest]

My opinion is they have to make up their minds. They can't go on like this

and they will realize it only when people will no more buy such a trash

food!

Simona

Trans fats

The FDA will require food manufactures to list the amount of trans

fats by 2006. Per a threatened lawsuit, Nabisco is working on taking

the hydrogenated oils out of their Oreo Cookies. Certainly many

other manufacturers will begin to follow suit. Vegetable oils are

very inexpensive to make and allow huge profit margins. That's why

they use them.

Also, the USDA which has jurisdiction over the food pyramid, is to

have final recommendations on changes to the food pyramid by June

2004. They've finally realized there is a problem!

FYI - " the US spends upwards of 90 percent of our food dollars on

highly processed industrialized foods; it's no wonder the we, as a

nation, are now beset with obesity and many chronic diseases. " Bill

Sanda WAPF.

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In a message dated 8/11/04 4:45:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jag14@... writes:

wrote:

>One note though: the purpose of hydrogenation is

>not to form trans fatty acids. It is to form saturated

>fatty acids. Or, it is to turn triple bonds into double

>bonds.

The process actually turns double carbon bonds into single bonds,

introducing hydrogen atoms onto the freed-up bonding site. You cannot get

a fatty acid chain with a carbon triple-bond.

I included the portion you quoted from me so it could be re-read to realize

that it is entirely correct. I do not mention anything about fatty acids

containing triple bonds. Hydrogenation is not limited to fatty acids.

Chris

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>One note though: the purpose of hydrogenation is

>not to form trans fatty acids. It is to form saturated

>fatty acids. Or, it is to turn triple bonds into double

>bonds.

The process actually turns double carbon bonds into single bonds,

introducing hydrogen atoms onto the freed-up bonding site. You cannot get

a fatty acid chain with a carbon triple-bond.

[Guest guest]

Argh! I don't know why AOL or or someone keeps messing up my emails,

but I'm resending this one in case anyone else found it impossible to read. I

in fact read it myself and couldn't figure out what was going on in it for

nearly a minute. Below...

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In a message dated 8/11/04 4:45:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jag14@... writes:

wrote:

>One note though: the purpose of hydrogenation is

>not to form trans fatty acids. It is to form saturated

>fatty acids. Or, it is to turn triple bonds into double

>bonds.

_________________

jag14 wrote:

The process actually turns double carbon bonds into single bonds,

introducing hydrogen atoms onto the freed-up bonding site. You cannot get

a fatty acid chain with a carbon triple-bond.

_________

Then I replied:

I included the portion you quoted from me so it could be re-read to realize

that it is entirely correct. I do not mention anything about fatty acids

containing triple bonds. Hydrogenation is not limited to fatty acids.

Chris

[Guest guest]

For those of you out there that just cannot live without french fries, make

your own at home using coconut oil. It will withstand the heat of

deepfrying without breaking down and when last I checked does not have the

trans-fat issues. Obviously if you are eating french fries, you are doing

something terribly wrong with your diet to begin with, but at least you

should have the option of doing less harm if you cannot control the urge for

a grease fix.

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Subject: [ ] Trans fats

[wddty.co.uk]

TRANS FATTY ACIDS: Mc?s introduces new and healthier cooking

oils - again

Fast food chain Mc?s is trying to turn into a triumph its decision

to dramatically reduce the levels of trans fatty acids it uses in its

cooking.

It?s recently announced that it is introducing a new oil ?blend? that

will reduce the level of trans fatty acids in its cooking oils to just 2

per cent. It will be used in every one of its restaurants throughout

Europe by the middle of next year.

This is not the first time that Mc?s has made a triumphal

announcement that it was cutting trans fatty acids from its fast-food

chain. It made a similar claim in 2002, and said the change to an oil

with less trans fats would be completed the following year.

Unfortunately, no doubt due to an oversight, it forgot to mention to

anyone that it didn?t change the oil at all. As a result, it was

forced by an American court to pay $7m to the American Heart Association

to help fund a public awareness campaign about the dangers of trans

fats, and a further $1.5m on publishing notices that informed the public

of its failure to introduce a safer oil.

It?s also a case of change or die. In Denmark, there?s a ban on any

oil or fat that contains more than 2 per cent trans fat, while New York

City authorities are imposing a similar curb on cooking fats by July

this year in all the city?s restaurants. This will come as a special

blow to the city?s Mc?s outlets. In a survey in 2004 and 2005,

the level of trans fats on Mc?s French fries served up in New York

was 28 times greater than in the Danish outlets. It was also far

higher than that served up in Mc?s in other cities around the USA.

Currently Mc?s prepares its food in partially hydrogenated

rapeseed oil, which contains around 10 per cent of trans fats, known to

lead to heart disease. At 15 per cent it?s been estimated that you

increase your risk of heart disease and failure by 25 per cent.

The new blend is made up of canola, soybean and corn oils, but it?s not

clear how the oils will be prepared. Perhaps Mc?s is

introducing a new process, known as interesterification, a

non-hydrogenated method that nonetheless has nutritionists worried.

In a small study published in Nutrition & Metabolism journal, people?s

?good? cholesterol levels fell after eating an interesterified fat diet.

Salad, anyone?

(Sources: various, including www.bantransfats.com)

[Guest guest]

erilyn wrote:

>

>

> I have learned that tras fats are causeing many problems. Cholesterol

> is not really the problem Our body naturally produces cholesterol. It

> is used in the cell walls.

I agree that trans-fats are a BIG problem and I've wondered about the

degree of trans-fats found naturally in meat, milk, etc. (Natural

doesn't make something safe.)

I don't agree that cholesterol is really the problem because that

depends on the individual. Small particle LDL (and small HDL) is a

large problem, a very large problem, for some individuals. This is

sometimes cause by trans-fats but other times caused by sugar, being

overweight, etc.

<snip>

> Cutting out trans fats such as margarine, shortening, and peanut

> butter is very important!

Some margarines and peanut butters are trans-fat free although I use

only whole butter. I would use organic butter but it usually sits on

the shelf longer since it is harder to sell because of the higher price

and is always close to it's expiration date and consequently closer to

becoming rancid. Lard is an excellent primary fat as it does not lower

LDL cholesterol size and it increases HDL.

I personally avoid all products that say partially or fully hydrogenated

in any of the ingredients listed on the label. Following the front

label on a product that says " trans-fat free " or " 0 grams trans-fat " is

not reliable.

> Erilyn Littlefield RN

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[Guest guest]

My recollection is that trans-fats are by definition man-made. So if

you don't see 'hydrogenated' or 'partially hydrogenated' you are not

eating trans-fats.

Anybody with a fresher memory want to weigh in on this?

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downtothecrossroads wrote:

>

>

> My recollection is that trans-fats are by definition man-made. So if

> you don't see 'hydrogenated' or 'partially hydrogenated' you are not

> eating trans-fats.

>

> Anybody with a fresher memory want to weigh in on this?

Try this link and scan down to 'Presence in food'.

Or, you can do a web search for " natural trans-fats " . Milk and the

meat/fat of grazing animals have trans-fats.

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[Guest guest]

They have outlawed making anything with trans fats anymore, haven't

they?

>

> I have learned that tras fats are causeing many problems.

Cholesterol

> is not really the problem Our body naturally produces cholesterol.

It

> is used in the cell walls.

>

> Trans fats invade the cell cutting of the oxygen supply, and make the

> cell walls harder to penetrate. Our bodies use this substance as it

> cant tell the difference between it and natural types of cholesterol.

>

> Cutting out trans fats such as margarine, shortening, and peanut

> butter is very important!

>

> Erilyn Littlefield RN

> www.fdaquacks.com

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

You are right you need to read labels to find out if there are trans

fats in it. Anything that is hydrogenated has trans fats even if

they say it is trans fat free or not. I hear that peanut

butter is natural and not hydrogenated, which is why it separates.

The trans fats are mixed into our bodies own cholesterol making it

thicker, stickier and harder to penetrate. This is why it plugs up

the arteries. When this " cholesterol " lines the cell wall it blocks

insulin and oxygen leading to diabetes and cancer.

For many many years people had no problem eating meats and dairy and

high fat food, but now with all of us eating pre-made and chemical

infested foods we have more health problems than ever.

MSG is used to make rats fat for testing. It makes us addicted to

food and causes other health problems. Aspartame is just as bad.

I just wrote an article on lowering cholesterol safely, it will be

in my next health newsletter. You can sign up for free on my new

website. www.fdaquacks.com

Best of health and wishes.

Erilyn Littlefield RN

www.fdaquacks.com

> >

> >

> > " Cutting out trans fats such as margarine, shortening, and peanut

> > butter is very important!

> >

> > Erilyn Littlefield RN

> > www.fdaquacks.com "

> >

> > What are you talking about? Margarine, shortening and peanut

butter

> > COULD have trans fats but so could anything. Read labels and find

> > ones that don't have it.

> >

> > Margine that is liquid at room temp doesn't have trans fats.

> >

> > Peanut butter is natural and actually is good as it helps to

stabilize

> > blood sugar --just buy one that is natural, no added salt and

nothing

> > artificial added to it so it doesn't separate.

> >

> > You can find whole wheat bread with bad ingredients (such as high

> > fructose corn syrup). It's not the food that's bad, it's how food

> > corporations have adulterated the food. READ LABELS, that's all.

>

> Hi, I completely agree that your choices are an effective way of

> avoiding artificial trans-fats.

>

> I personally have decided to avoid margarines of any kind, even

when

> well selected to avoid trans-fats. Evidence is building that

vegetable

> oils contribute to disease so even a canola oil based product is

not

> without potential negative consequences. I always use either

whole

> butter, olive oil, and coconut oil and have yet to find a real

reason to

> avoid palm oil. I don't eat processed foods so I no longer get

any palm

> oil.

>

> I personally have decided to avoid peanut butter because it aways

has

> added sugar of some kind. Whole peanuts would be a better choice.

> Peanuts are however often contamated with aflaxtoxin, an

especially

> carcinogenic substance. Even better would be to avoid legumes like

> peanuts completely as they were not a component in the diet man

evolved

> on and legumes (beans) often have to be soaked to remove some

toxins.

>

> Again, I agree that wheat bread should be carefully selected. The

kind

> we have used in our family has a handful of basic ingredients

instead of

> the long long long list of stuff found in most wheat breads.

> Nevertheless, while I have gotten my family hooked on the most

healthy

> wheat bread we can purchase, I have elected to eliminate all wheat

> products from my diet. Wheat comes with it's own set of problems

one

> being only introduced with advent of farming about 10,000 years

ago with

> man poorly adapted to it's consumption.

>

> Cheers,

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

> to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

I just listened to a fairly lengthy discussion on the radio of trans

fats in foods, and what the canadian government is planning to do about

them. Of course, participants on this site are well familiar with the

problems with trans fats. But this discussion offered one statistic

that I had not heard before which quantified the issue.

That is that trans fats are four to six times as good at causing heart

attacks as are saturated fats (which, as everyone knows, are a major

cause of heart attacks themselves.) And of course, monounsaturated

fats are not quite as bad at clogging arteries as saturated fats, as

appears to be implied by some of the papers that have been posted here

in the past.

So there seems to be quite a hierarchy of artery-clogging capability.

Rodney.

[Guest guest]

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/life/pull-trigger-on-trans-fat-heart-lobby-tells-ottawa-48763577.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat#Coronary_heart_disease-- Aalt Pater

From: Rodney <perspect1111@...>Subject: [ ] Trans Fats Received: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 11:51 AM

Hi folks:I just listened to a fairly lengthy discussion on the radio of transfats in foods, and what the canadian government is planning to do aboutthem. Of course, participants on this site are well familiar with theproblems with trans fats. But this discussion offered one statisticthat I had not heard before which quantified the issue.That is that trans fats are four to six times as good at causing heartattacks as are saturated fats (which, as everyone knows, are a majorcause of heart attacks themselves.) And of course, monounsaturatedfats are not quite as bad at clogging arteries as saturated fats, asappears to be implied by some of the papers that have been posted herein the past.So there seems to be quite a hierarchy of artery-clogging capability.Rodney.

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