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Just to be contrary... how many people exactly are killed by salt every year? Our body stores and regulates our salt balance because we need it to live (it regulates fluid flow in and out of our cells). IIRC only a fraction of the population is responsive to (harmed by?) salt intake with elevated BP. Probably some subset of that group already has high average BP and might benefit. If you are unhealthy, salt is only one of several things you need to avoid.. I am irritated by broad sweeping advice based on a very unhealthy normal. I recall when salt pills were used in hot weather to replace the salt we lost to perspiration, perhaps not a problem with people today on a processed food diet. Better advice would be to stop eating any food you didn't prepare yourself. JROn Apr 20, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Francesca Skelton wrote:

About time..........

By Lyndsey Layton

Washington Post Staff Writer

Tuesday, April 20, 2010

The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to

gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that less

sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of deaths

from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched this

year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt

allowed in food products.

The government intends to work with the food industry and health experts to

reduce sodium gradually over a period of years to adjust the American palate

to a less salty diet, according to FDA sources, who spoke on condition of

anonymity because the initiative had not been formally announced.

Officials have not determined the salt limits. In a complicated undertaking,

the FDA would analyze the salt in spaghetti sauces, breads and thousands of

other products that make up the $600 billion food and beverage market,

sources said. Working with food manufacturers, the government would set

limits for salt in these categories, designed to gradually ratchet down

sodium consumption. The changes would be calibrated so that consumers barely

notice the modification.

The legal limits would be open to public comment, but administration

officials do not think they need additional authority from Congress.

"This is a 10-year program," one source said. "This is not rolling off a

log. We're talking about a comprehensive phase-down of a widely used

ingredient. We're talking about embedded tastes in a whole generation of

people."

The FDA, which regulates most processed foods, would be joined in the effort

by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees meat and poultry.

Currently, manufacturers can use as much salt as they like in products

because under federal standards, it falls into the category deemed

"generally recognized as safe." Foodmakers are merely required to report the

amount on nutrition labels.

But for the past 30 years, health officials have grown increasingly alarmed

as salt intake has increased with the explosion in processed foods and

restaurant meals. Most adults consume about twice the government's daily

recommended limit, according to the Centers for Disease Control and

Prevention.

Until now, the government has pushed the food industry to voluntarily reduce

salt and tried to educate consumers about the dangers of excessive sodium.

But in a study to be released Wednesday, an expert panel convened by the

Institute of Medicine concludes that those measures have failed. The panel

will recommend that the government take action, according to sources

familiar with the findings.

Although the specifics of the government's plans have not been made public,

the food industry has been bracing for a federal initiative.

"We're working on it voluntarily already," said Musiker, senior

manager of science policy, nutrition and health at the Grocery Manufacturers

Association. In recent months, Conagra, Pepsico, Kraft Foods, General Mills,

Sara Lee and others have announced that they would reduce sodium in many of

their products. Pepsico has developed a new shape for sodium chloride

crystals that the company hopes will allow it to reduce salt by 25 percent

in its Lay's Classic potato chips.

Morton Satin, director for technical and regulatory affairs at the Salt

Institute, which represents salt producers, said regulation "would be a

disaster for the public." He said that the science regarding sodium is

unclear and that consumption does not necessarily lead to health problems.

"If you consume a lot of salt, you also get rid of a lot of salt -- it

doesn't mean it's an excess," he said. "I want to make sure they're basing

this on everything that is in the scientific literature, so we don't end up

being guinea pigs because someone thinks they're doing something good."

son of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which

first petitioned the FDA to regulate sodium in 1978, said voluntary efforts

by industry are laudable, "but they could change their minds tomorrow. . . .

Limiting sodium might be the single most important thing the FDA can to do

to promote health."

In January, New York City launched a campaign against salt, urging food

manufacturers and chain restaurants to voluntarily reduce sodium by 25

percent in their products nationwide over the next five years. Baltimore,

Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and the District are among a list of cities

supporting the New York initiative.

A recent study by researchers at Columbia and Stanford universities and the

University of California at San Francisco found that cutting salt intake by

3 grams a day could prevent tens of thousands of heart attacks, strokes and

cases of heart disease.

Most salt eaten by Americans -- 77 percent -- comes from processed foods,

making it difficult for consumers to limit salt to healthy levels, experts

say.

"We can't just rely on the individual to do something," said Cheryl

, an epidemiologist at the s Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public

Health who served on the Institute of Medicine committee. "Food

manufacturers have to reduce the amount of sodium in foods."

Reducing salt across the food supply will be a massive and technically

challenging project. Although many artificial sweeteners have been

discovered, there is no salt substitute.

Humans have an innate taste for salt, which is needed for some basic

biological functions. But beyond flavor, salt is also used as a preservative

to inhibit microbial growth; it gives texture and structure to certain

foods; and it helps leaven and brown baked goods.

K. Beauchamp, a psychobiologist and director of the Monell Chemical

Senses Center in Philadelphia, said salt also provides another, less

understood quality. "It gives something that food people refer to as

'mouthfeel,' " said Beauchamp, who also served on the Institutes of Medicine

committee. "For some soups, for instance, it's not just the salty taste --

sodium makes the soup feel thicker."

Policymakers will have to decide whether to exempt inherently salty foods,

such as pickles, while mandating changes in other products to reduce the

overall sodium levels in the food supply.

Above all, government officials and food industry executives say, a product

with reduced salt must still taste good, or it will flop in the marketplace,

as evidenced by several low-sodium products that had abysmal sales.

"Historically, consumers have found low-sodium products haven't been of the

quality that's expected," said Todd Abraham, senior vice president of

research and nutrition for Kraft Foods. "We're all trying to maintain the

delicious quality of the product but one that consumers recognize as

healthier."

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I agree about processed food but salt is in everything now, even if it’s supposed to be fresh. For example I recently bought (what I thought were) fresh scallops. Turned out they were so salty (I do not add salt to anything during cooking) that I had to bring them back to the store – basically they were inedible. This practice of salting fish, meat or whatever for taste or perhaps so that the fish will last longer (?) absorb water and weigh more (?), or whatever has got to stop. I can’t trust anything anymore unless I buy it at TJ’s or Whole Foods (and of course there’s a price to pay for that).

On 4/20/10 5:46 PM, " john roberts " <robertsjohnh@...> wrote:

Just to be contrary... how many people exactly are killed by salt every year?

Our body stores and regulates our salt balance because we need it to live (it regulates fluid flow in and out of our cells).

IIRC only a fraction of the population is responsive to (harmed by?) salt intake with elevated BP. Probably some subset of that group already has high average BP and might benefit.

If you are unhealthy, salt is only one of several things you need to avoid.. I am irritated by broad sweeping advice based on a very unhealthy normal. I recall when salt pills were used in hot weather to replace the salt we lost to perspiration, perhaps not a problem with people today on a processed food diet.

Better advice would be to stop eating any food you didn't prepare yourself.

JR

On ! Apr 20, 2010, at 4:11 PM, Francesca Skelton wrote:

About time..........

By Lyndsey Layton

Washington Post Staff Writer

Tuesday, April 20, 2010

The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to

gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that less

sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of deaths

from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched this

year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt

allowed in food products.

The government intends to work with the food industry and health experts to

reduce sodium gradually over a period of years to adjust the American palate

to a less salty diet, according to FDA sources, who spoke on condition of

anonymity because the initiative had not been formally announced.

Officials have not determined the salt limits. In a complicated undertaking,

the FDA would analyze the salt in spaghetti sauces, breads and thousands of

other products that make up the $600 billion food and beverage market,

sources said. Working with food manufacturers, the government would set

limits for salt in these categories, designed to gradually ratchet down

sodium consumption. The changes would be calibrated so that consumers barely

notice the modification.

The legal limits would be open to public comment, but administration

officials do not think they need additional authority from Congress.

" This is a 10-year program, " one source said. " This is not rolling off a

log. We're talking about a comprehensive phase-down of a widely used

ingredient. We're talking about embedded tastes in a whole generation of

people. "

The FDA, which regulates most processed foods, would be joined in the effort

by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees meat and poultry.

Currently, manufacturers can use as much salt as they like in products

because under federal standards, it falls into the category deemed

" generally recognized as safe. " Foodmakers are merely required to report the

amount on nutrition labels.

But for the past 30 years, health officials have grown increasingly alarmed

as salt intake has increased with the explosion in processed foods and

restaurant meals. Most adults consume about twice the government's daily

recommended limit, according to the Centers for Disease Control and

Prevention.

Until now, the government has pushed the food industry to voluntarily reduce

salt and tried to educate consumers about the dangers of excessive sodium.

But in a study to be released Wednesday, an expert panel convened by the

Institute of Medicine concludes that those measures have failed. The panel

will recommend that the government take action, according to sources

familiar with the findings.

Although the specifics of the government's plans have not been made public,

the food industry has been bracing for a federal initiative.

" We're working on it voluntarily already, " said Musiker, senior

manager of science policy, nutrition and health at the Grocery Manufacturers

Association. In recent months, Conagra, Pepsico, Kraft Foods, General Mills,

Sara Lee and others have announced that they would reduce sodium in many of

their products. Pepsico has developed a new shape for sodium chloride

crystals that the company hopes will allow it to reduce salt by 25 percent

in its Lay's Classic potato chips.

Morton Satin, director for technical and regulatory affairs at the Salt

Institute, which represents salt producers, said regulation " would be a

disaster for the public. " He said that the science regarding sodium is

unclear and that consumption does not necessarily lead to health problems.

" If you consume a lot of salt, you also get rid of a lot of salt -- it

doesn't mean it's an excess, " he said. " I want to make sure they're basing

this on everything that is in the scientific literature, so we don't end up

being guinea pigs because someone thinks they're doing something good. "

son of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which

first petitioned the FDA to regulate sodium in 1978, said voluntary efforts

by industry are laudable, " but they could change their minds tomorrow. . . .

Limiting sodium might be the single most important thing the FDA can to do

to promote health. "

In January, New York City launched a campaign against salt, urging food

manufacturers and chain restaurants to voluntarily reduce sodium by 25

percent in their products nationwide over the next five years. Baltimore,

Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and the District are among a list of cities

supporting the New York initiative.

A recent study by researchers at Columbia and Stanford universities and the

University of California at San Francisco found that cutting salt intake by

3 grams a day could prevent tens of thousands of heart attacks, strokes and

cases of heart disease.

Most salt eaten by Americans -- 77 percent -- comes from processed foods,

making it difficult for consumers to limit salt to healthy levels, experts

say.

" We can't just rely on the individual to do something, " said Cheryl

, an epidemiologist at the s Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public

Health who served on the Institute of Medicine committee. " Food

manufacturers have to reduce the amount of sodium in foods. "

Reducing salt across the food supply will be a massive and technically

challenging project. Although many artificial sweeteners have been

discovered, there is no salt substitute.

Humans have an innate taste for salt, which is needed for some basic

biological functions. But beyond flavor, salt is also used as a preservative

to inhibit microbial growth; it gives texture and structure to certain

foods; and it helps leaven and brown baked goods.

K. Beauchamp, a psychobiologist and director of the Monell Chemical

Senses Center in Philadelphia, said salt also provides another, less

understood quality. " It gives something that food people refer to as

'mouthfeel,' " said Beauchamp, who also served on the Institutes of Medicine

committee. " For some soups, for instance, it's not just the salty taste --

sodium makes the soup feel thicker. "

Policymakers will have to decide whether to exempt inherently salty foods,

such as pickles, while mandating changes in other products to reduce the

overall sodium levels in the food supply.

Above all, government officials and food industry executives say, a product

with reduced salt must still taste good, or it will flop in the marketplace,

as evidenced by several low-sodium products that had abysmal sales.

" Historically, consumers have found low-sodium products haven't been of the

quality that's expected, " said Todd Abraham, senior vice president of

research and nutrition for Kraft Foods. " We're all trying to maintain the

delicious quality of the product but one that consumers recognize as

healthier. "

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Just to be contrary... how many people exactly are killed by salt every year? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/health/nutrition/21salt.html?partner=rss & emc=rssandhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2667673/?tool=pubmed"We used data on risk factor exposures in the US population from nationally representative health surveys and disease-specific mortality statistics from the National Center for Health Statistics. We obtained the etiological effects of risk factors on disease-specific mortality, by age, from systematic reviews and meta-analyses of epidemiological studies that had adjusted (i) for major potential confounders, and (ii) where possible for regression dilution bias. We estimated the number of disease-specific deaths attributable to all non-optimal levels of each risk factor exposure, by age and sex. In 2005, tobacco smoking and high blood pressure were responsible for an estimated 467,000 (95% confidence

interval [CI] 436,000–500,000) and 395,000 (372,000–414,000) deaths, accounting for about one in five or six deaths in US adults. Overweight–obesity (216,000; 188,000–237,000) and physical inactivity (191,000; 164,000–222,000) were each responsible for nearly 1 in 10 deaths. High dietary salt (102,000; 97,000–107,000), "Jeff

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The below (1-2) free full-texts papers discuss salt intake reduction government measures.

1. EditorialsWe Can Reduce Dietary Sodium, Save Money, and Save Lives R. Frieden and A. BrissAnn Intern Med April 20, 2010 152:526-527.http://www.annals.org/content/152/8/526.fullJournal pre-amble: Reductions in salt intake will lead to substantial population-wide improvements in health. This editorial from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention discusses the cost-effectiveness analysis in this issue that provides compelling evidence that a policy-driven approach can reduce sodium intake, save money, and save lives. The editorialists believe that changing the food environment to make healthier choices the default option is possible and will have large health and economic benefits.2. Population Strategies to Decrease Sodium Intake and the Burden of Cardiovascular

Disease: A Cost-Effectiveness AnalysisCrystal M. -Spangler, Jessie L. Juusola, Eva A. Enns, K. Owens, and Alan M. GarberAnn Intern Med April 20, 2010 152:481-487; published ahead of print March 1, 2010,http://www.annals.org/content/152/8/481.fullhttp://www.annals.org/content/152/8/481.full.pdf+html -- Aalt Pater

From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...>support group < >Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 2:11:02 PMSubject: [ ] FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

About time........ ..By Lyndsey LaytonWashington Post Staff WriterTuesday, April 20, 2010

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Ok, you got me... :-) I understand the impact across the general population, but they probably need to be advised to throw out those french fries too, not just the salt on them. Living in MS where something like 1/3 of the population is obese I get the sense that such general studies and advice is targeted at them not us. How many people who are already restricting their food intake and preparing healthy meals from scratch could even reduce their salt intake 1/2 a teaspoon a day, and would that benefit them? Maybe I'm misreading this room? My apologies to any folks reading this who are still eating happy meals at Micky D's, and need a nudge.For the record I know at least one CR follower with elevated BP so perhaps for him, if he is salt sensitive some extra attention to salt intake is advised (I believe he looked into that years ago). This is pretty old news for those paying attention to matters of nutrition (people like us). Maybe I'm a overreacting because I don't have high BP, and found I could prevent my night cramping during hot summer months when I added salt to my diet. I concede my correlation with cramps and low salt intake is one rat anecdotal and not scientific, but it feels very real to me (cramps are a pain literally). I never seasoned food with salt and often dropped it from recipes where it wasn't doing something useful, now I make an effort to keep the salt when the recipe calls for it. I haven't had cramps for a couple years now. Note: I also started drinking a glass of vegetable juice every night before retiring (for sodium and other salts), so I no longer need to drink salt water which is pretty nasty. This isolation of salt as a risk factor reminds me of the magical dietary thinking promoted by the food industry that people can game their diets and benefit from unusually low fat, or low carb, or low protein (?) ratios instead of reducing their total food intake. Salt intake will drop for the general population if they just cut back on the bulk volume of processed food they consume. I'll shut up now.JROn Apr 20, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Novick wrote:

Just to be contrary... how many people exactly are killed by salt every year? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/health/nutrition/21salt.html?partner=rss & emc=rssandhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2667673/?tool=pubmed"We used data on risk factor exposures in the US population from nationally representative health surveys and disease-specific mortality statistics from the National Center for Health Statistics. We obtained the etiological effects of risk factors on disease-specific mortality, by age, from systematic reviews and meta-analyses of epidemiological studies that had adjusted (i) for major potential confounders, and (ii) where possible for regression dilution bias. We estimated the number of disease-specific deaths attributable to all non-optimal levels of each risk factor exposure, by age and sex. In 2005, tobacco smoking and high blood pressure were responsible for an estimated 467,000 (95% confidence

interval [CI] 436,000–500,000) and 395,000 (372,000–414,000) deaths, accounting for about one in five or six deaths in US adults. Overweight–obesity (216,000; 188,000–237,000) and physical inactivity (191,000; 164,000–222,000) were each responsible for nearly 1 in 10 deaths. High dietary salt (102,000; 97,000–107,000), "Jeff

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Let me explain why these bans and limits are retarded.

People will do what they want to do. Unless we plan to station the Gestapo in

every household, people will simply add salt if they want.

Meanwhile, everyone will have to bear the cost of ever increasing government

intrusion into their lives. You may think this intrusion is okay, but what will

you think of the next one?

Also, this micromanagement will add compliance costs to food companies who will

pass those costs on to the consumer - for both " healthy " and " unhealthy " foods.

Other people's personal behaviour is impossible to control and the cost of

TRYING to control it is very high.

This " embedded taste " thing goes deeper than General Mills created junk food.

Human beings are wired to want fat, salt and sugar. THAT'S why the food

companies made food fatty, salty and sugary. They catered to human's natural

desires. If somebody consciously decides to choose differently for themselves,

then they will do so. Otherwise, they'll simply salt their now less salty

cheetos and you and you will be paying for all of your healthy food. And what

do we gain except larger government to support and more expensive foods?

Nothing.

>

> About time..........

>

> By Lyndsey Layton

> Washington Post Staff Writer

> Tuesday, April 20, 2010

>

> The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to

> gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that less

> sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of deaths

> from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched this

> year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt

> allowed in food products.

>

> The government intends to work with the food industry and health experts to

> reduce sodium gradually over a period of years to adjust the American palate

> to a less salty diet, according to FDA sources, who spoke on condition of

> anonymity because the initiative had not been formally announced.

>

> Officials have not determined the salt limits. In a complicated undertaking,

> the FDA would analyze the salt in spaghetti sauces, breads and thousands of

> other products that make up the $600 billion food and beverage market,

> sources said. Working with food manufacturers, the government would set

> limits for salt in these categories, designed to gradually ratchet down

> sodium consumption. The changes would be calibrated so that consumers barely

> notice the modification.

>

> The legal limits would be open to public comment, but administration

> officials do not think they need additional authority from Congress.

>

> " This is a 10-year program, " one source said. " This is not rolling off a

> log. We're talking about a comprehensive phase-down of a widely used

> ingredient. We're talking about embedded tastes in a whole generation of

> people. "

>

> The FDA, which regulates most processed foods, would be joined in the effort

> by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees meat and poultry.

>

> Currently, manufacturers can use as much salt as they like in products

> because under federal standards, it falls into the category deemed

> " generally recognized as safe. " Foodmakers are merely required to report the

> amount on nutrition labels.

>

> But for the past 30 years, health officials have grown increasingly alarmed

> as salt intake has increased with the explosion in processed foods and

> restaurant meals. Most adults consume about twice the government's daily

> recommended limit, according to the Centers for Disease Control and

> Prevention.

>

> Until now, the government has pushed the food industry to voluntarily reduce

> salt and tried to educate consumers about the dangers of excessive sodium.

> But in a study to be released Wednesday, an expert panel convened by the

> Institute of Medicine concludes that those measures have failed. The panel

> will recommend that the government take action, according to sources

> familiar with the findings.

>

> Although the specifics of the government's plans have not been made public,

> the food industry has been bracing for a federal initiative.

>

> " We're working on it voluntarily already, " said Musiker, senior

> manager of science policy, nutrition and health at the Grocery Manufacturers

> Association. In recent months, Conagra, Pepsico, Kraft Foods, General Mills,

> Sara Lee and others have announced that they would reduce sodium in many of

> their products. Pepsico has developed a new shape for sodium chloride

> crystals that the company hopes will allow it to reduce salt by 25 percent

> in its Lay's Classic potato chips.

>

> Morton Satin, director for technical and regulatory affairs at the Salt

> Institute, which represents salt producers, said regulation " would be a

> disaster for the public. " He said that the science regarding sodium is

> unclear and that consumption does not necessarily lead to health problems.

>

> " If you consume a lot of salt, you also get rid of a lot of salt -- it

> doesn't mean it's an excess, " he said. " I want to make sure they're basing

> this on everything that is in the scientific literature, so we don't end up

> being guinea pigs because someone thinks they're doing something good. "

>

> son of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which

> first petitioned the FDA to regulate sodium in 1978, said voluntary efforts

> by industry are laudable, " but they could change their minds tomorrow. . . .

> Limiting sodium might be the single most important thing the FDA can to do

> to promote health. "

>

> In January, New York City launched a campaign against salt, urging food

> manufacturers and chain restaurants to voluntarily reduce sodium by 25

> percent in their products nationwide over the next five years. Baltimore,

> Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and the District are among a list of cities

> supporting the New York initiative.

>

> A recent study by researchers at Columbia and Stanford universities and the

> University of California at San Francisco found that cutting salt intake by

> 3 grams a day could prevent tens of thousands of heart attacks, strokes and

> cases of heart disease.

>

> Most salt eaten by Americans -- 77 percent -- comes from processed foods,

> making it difficult for consumers to limit salt to healthy levels, experts

> say.

>

> " We can't just rely on the individual to do something, " said Cheryl

> , an epidemiologist at the s Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public

> Health who served on the Institute of Medicine committee. " Food

> manufacturers have to reduce the amount of sodium in foods. "

>

> Reducing salt across the food supply will be a massive and technically

> challenging project. Although many artificial sweeteners have been

> discovered, there is no salt substitute.

>

> Humans have an innate taste for salt, which is needed for some basic

> biological functions. But beyond flavor, salt is also used as a preservative

> to inhibit microbial growth; it gives texture and structure to certain

> foods; and it helps leaven and brown baked goods.

>

> K. Beauchamp, a psychobiologist and director of the Monell Chemical

> Senses Center in Philadelphia, said salt also provides another, less

> understood quality. " It gives something that food people refer to as

> 'mouthfeel,' " said Beauchamp, who also served on the Institutes of Medicine

> committee. " For some soups, for instance, it's not just the salty taste --

> sodium makes the soup feel thicker. "

>

> Policymakers will have to decide whether to exempt inherently salty foods,

> such as pickles, while mandating changes in other products to reduce the

> overall sodium levels in the food supply.

>

> Above all, government officials and food industry executives say, a product

> with reduced salt must still taste good, or it will flop in the marketplace,

> as evidenced by several low-sodium products that had abysmal sales.

>

> " Historically, consumers have found low-sodium products haven't been of the

> quality that's expected, " said Todd Abraham, senior vice president of

> research and nutrition for Kraft Foods. " We're all trying to maintain the

> delicious quality of the product but one that consumers recognize as

> healthier. "

>

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Whoa........

I welcome this kind of “government intrusion” in our lives and even other kinds (such as the pending legislation in the U.S. to rein in Wall Street). Although we can’t control other people’s behavior (nor would I want to), I don’t want corporations interested in profits only, “controlling” what I eat.

Until this generation, people were fitter and slimmer. One possible reason is the food companies having their way with us (high fructose corn syrup, trans-fats, extra salt). I’ll take higher taxes for healthier food any day.

That said, your personal political opinions are inappropriate here and any further posts that include personal politics will not posted on this board . We like to deal with facts here and not personal opinion.

On 4/20/10 10:19 PM, " fasjroewqpur40u3rewos " <gwen_elnaggar@...> wrote:

Let me explain why these bans and limits are retarded.

People will do what they want to do. Unless we plan to station the Gestapo in every household, people will simply add salt if they want.

Meanwhile, everyone will have to bear the cost of ever increasing government intrusion into their lives. You may think this intrusion is okay, but what will you think of the next one?

Also, this micromanagement will add compliance costs to food companies who will pass those costs on to the consumer - for both " healthy " and " unhealthy " foods.

Other people's personal behaviour is impossible to control and the cost of TRYING to control it is very high.

This " embedded taste " thing goes deeper than General Mills created junk food. Human beings are wired to want fat, salt and sugar. THAT'S why the food companies made food fatty, salty and sugary. They catered to human's natural desires. If somebody consciously decides to choose differently for themselves, then they will do so. Otherwise, they'll simply salt their now less salty cheetos and you and you will be paying for all of your healthy food. And what do we gain except larger government to support and more expensive foods?

Nothing.

>

> About time..........

>

> By Lyndsey Layton

> Washington Post Staff Writer

> Tuesday, April 20, 2010

>

> The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to

> gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that less

> sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of deaths

> from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched this

> year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt

> allowed in food products.

>

> The government intends to work with the food industry and health experts to

> reduce sodium gradually over a period of years to adjust the American palate

> to a less salty diet, according to FDA sources, who spoke on condition of

> anonymity because the initiative had not been formally announced.

>

> Officials have not determined the salt limits. In a complicated undertaking,

> the FDA would analyze the salt in spaghetti sauces, breads and thousands of

> other products that make up the $600 billion food and beverage market,

> sources said. Working with food manufacturers, the government would set

> limits for salt in these categories, designed to gradually ratchet down

> sodium consumption. The changes would be calibrated so that consumers barely

> notice the modification.

>

> The legal limits would be open to public comment, but administration

> officials do not think they need additional authority from Congress.

>

> " This is a 10-year program, " one source said. " This is not rolling off a

> log. We're talking about a comprehensive phase-down of a widely used

> ingredient. We're talking about embedded tastes in a whole generation of

> people. "

>

> The FDA, which regulates most processed foods, would be joined in the effort

> by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees meat and poultry.

>

> Currently, manufacturers can use as much salt as they like in products

> because under federal standards, it falls into the category deemed

> " generally recognized as safe. " Foodmakers are merely required to report the

> amount on nutrition labels.

>

> But for the past 30 years, health officials have grown increasingly alarmed

> as salt intake has increased with the explosion in processed foods and

> restaurant meals. Most adults consume about twice the government's daily

> recommended limit, according to the Centers for Disease Control and

> Prevention.

>

> Until now, the government has pushed the food industry to voluntarily reduce

> salt and tried to educate consumers about the dangers of excessive sodium.

> But in a study to be released Wednesday, an expert panel convened by the

> Institute of Medicine concludes that those measures have failed. The panel

> will recommend that the government take action, according to sources

> familiar with the findings.

>

> Although the specifics of the government's plans have not been made public,

> the food industry has been bracing for a federal initiative.

>

> " We're working on it voluntarily already, " said Musiker, senior

> manager of science policy, nutrition and health at the Grocery Manufacturers

> Association. In recent months, Conagra, Pepsico, Kraft Foods, General Mills,

> Sara Lee and others have announced that they would reduce sodium in many of

> their products. Pepsico has developed a new shape for sodium chloride

> crystals that the company hopes will allow it to reduce salt by 25 percent

> in its Lay's Classic potato chips.

>

> Morton Satin, director for technical and regulatory affairs at the Salt

> Institute, which represents salt producers, said regulation " would be a

> disaster for the public. " He said that the science regarding sodium is

> unclear and that consumption does not necessarily lead to health problems.

>

> " If you consume a lot of salt, you also get rid of a lot of salt -- it

> doesn't mean it's an excess, " he said. " I want to make sure they're basing

> this on everything that is in the scientific literature, so we don't end up

> being guinea pigs because someone thinks they're doing something good. "

>

> son of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which

> first petitioned the FDA to regulate sodium in 1978, said voluntary efforts

> by industry are laudable, " but they could change their minds tomorrow. . . .

> Limiting sodium might be the single most important thing the FDA can to do

> to promote health. "

>

> In January, New York City launched a campaign against salt, urging food

> manufacturers and chain restaurants to voluntarily reduce sodium by 25

> percent in their products nationwide over the next five years. Baltimore,

> Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and the District are among a list of cities

> supporting the New York initiative.

>

> A recent study by researchers at Columbia and Stanford universities and the

> University of California at San Francisco found that cutting salt intake by

> 3 grams a day could prevent tens of thousands of heart attacks, strokes and

> cases of heart disease.

>

> Most salt eaten by Americans -- 77 percent -- comes from processed foods,

> making it difficult for consumers to limit salt to healthy levels, experts

> say.

>

> " We can't just rely on the individual to do something, " said Cheryl

> , an epidemiologist at the s Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public

> Health who served on the Institute of Medicine committee. " Food

> manufacturers have to reduce the amount of sodium in foods. "

>

> Reducing salt across the food supply will be a massive and technically

> challenging project. Although many artificial sweeteners have been

> discovered, there is no salt substitute.

>

> Humans have an innate taste for salt, which is needed for some basic

> biological functions. But beyond flavor, salt is also used as a preservative

> to inhibit microbial growth; it gives texture and structure to certain

> foods; and it helps leaven and brown baked goods.

>

> K. Beauchamp, a psychobiologist and director of the Monell Chemical

> Senses Center in Philadelphia, said salt also provides another, less

> understood quality. " It gives something that food people refer to as

> 'mouthfeel,' " said Beauchamp, who also served on the Institutes of Medicine

> committee. " For some soups, for instance, it's not just the salty taste --

> sodium makes the soup feel thicker. "

>

> Policymakers will have to decide whether to exempt inherently salty foods,

> such as pickles, while mandating changes in other products to reduce the

> overall sodium levels in the food supply.

>

> Above all, government officials and food industry executives say, a product

> with reduced salt must still taste good, or it will flop in the marketplace,

> as evidenced by several low-sodium products that had abysmal sales.

>

> " Historically, consumers have found low-sodium products haven't been of the

> quality that's expected, " said Todd Abraham, senior vice president of

> research and nutrition for Kraft Foods. " We're all trying to maintain the

> delicious quality of the product but one that consumers recognize as

> healthier. "

>

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(ordinarily not tolerated here, no matter who is the insultee).

____________________________________

This is not a matter of personal political opinion. It's a matter of logic and

I'm pointing out to you that what you're saying is illogical. But, it's very

totalitarian of you to allow yourself to post your own illogical political

opinion - including the way off topic " reigning in Wall Street " nonsense -

without allowing them to be challenged. You don't have a single " fact " in your

post. It's all baseless opinion and any time somebody challenges your opinion

you threaten not to publish their post.

So, your logic is that A.) Corporations control what you eat and b.) instead of

corporations interested " only in profits " you want politicians who are

interested only in collecting bribes to control what you eat. Even less logical

than your first post.

A.) corporations no more control what you eat than the man on the moon does.

Corporations produce products and compete for my business. If I don't like the

product, I don't eat it. Do you have some kind of quota for cheetos you must

meet every month or something? I hadn't heard of that. But if there were such a

quota, would it be government or some private company that has the ability to

legally enforce such a thing? hm....

B.) I hope you're not suffering under any delusions that politicians are somehow

interested in your health. Politicians are people who are interested in

advancing their own agenda - as are you and I.

As for reigning in Wall Street - it's off topic, but I've been on Wall Street my

entire career. The bill reigns in nothing, but it gives the government the

ability to take over ANY company on the pretext of " too big to fail " . Sweden

had a similar law and when companies became successful and large enough to show

up on the radar, they left the country. It's people like you who suffered. The

other thing this bill does is raise the threshold for qualified investors,

meaning that 77% of qualified investors will no longer be qualified to invest in

the average joe entrepreneur's start-up company. Way to piss on American

entrepreneur's dreams - unless they come from a wealthy family. But, it does

not in any way " reign in Wall Street " (whatever that means and I'm pretty sure

you have no idea what you're talking about). Why? Well, Wall Street firms are

cronies. We simply buy the politicians and all of their power and since this

bill gives politicians more power, there's more of it to buy. That's how Madoff

got away with it for as long as he did. You, on the other hand, are some peon

who is of no use to the politicians, so they don't really care what happens to

you.

..

> >> >

> >> > About time..........

> >> >

> >> > By Lyndsey Layton

> >> > Washington Post Staff Writer

> >> > Tuesday, April 20, 2010

> >> >

> >> > The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to

> >> > gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that

less

> >> > sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of deaths

> >> > from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched this

> >> > year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of

salt

> >> > allowed in food products.

> >> >

> >> > The government intends to work with the food industry and health experts

to

> >> > reduce sodium gradually over a period of years to adjust the American

> >> palate

> >> > to a less salty diet, according to FDA sources, who spoke on condition of

> >> > anonymity because the initiative had not been formally announced.

> >> >

> >> > Officials have not determined the salt limits. In a complicated

> >> undertaking,

> >> > the FDA would analyze the salt in spaghetti sauces, breads and thousands

of

> >> > other products that make up the $600 billion food and beverage market,

> >> > sources said. Working with food manufacturers, the government would set

> >> > limits for salt in these categories, designed to gradually ratchet down

> >> > sodium consumption. The changes would be calibrated so that consumers

> >> barely

> >> > notice the modification.

> >> >

> >> > The legal limits would be open to public comment, but administration

> >> > officials do not think they need additional authority from Congress.

> >> >

> >> > " This is a 10-year program, " one source said. " This is not rolling off a

> >> > log. We're talking about a comprehensive phase-down of a widely used

> >> > ingredient. We're talking about embedded tastes in a whole generation of

> >> > people. "

> >> >

> >> > The FDA, which regulates most processed foods, would be joined in the

> >> effort

> >> > by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees meat and poultry.

> >> >

> >> > Currently, manufacturers can use as much salt as they like in products

> >> > because under federal standards, it falls into the category deemed

> >> > " generally recognized as safe. " Foodmakers are merely required to report

>>

> the

> >> > amount on nutrition labels.

> >> >

> >> > But for the past 30 years, health officials have grown increasingly

alarmed

> >> > as salt intake has increased with the explosion in processed foods and

> >> > restaurant meals. Most adults consume about twice the government's daily

> >> > recommended limit, according to the Centers for Disease Control and

> >> > Prevention.

> >> >

> >> > Until now, the government has pushed the food industry to voluntarily

> >> reduce

> >> > salt and tried to educate consumers about the dangers of excessive

sodium.

> >> > But in a study to be released Wednesday, an expert panel convened by the

> >> > Institute of Medicine concludes that those measures have failed. The

panel

> >> > will recommend that the government take action, according to sources

> >> > familiar with the findings.

> >> >

> >> > Although the specifics of the government's plans have not been made

public,

> >> > the food industry has been bracing for a federal initiative.

> >> >

> >> > " We're working on it voluntarily already, " said Musiker, senior

> >> > manager of science policy, nutrition and health at the Grocery

> >> Manufacturers

> >> > Association. In recent months, Conagra, Pepsico, Kraft Foods, General

> >> Mills,

> >> > Sara Lee and others have announced that they would reduce sodium in many

of

> >> > their products. Pepsico has developed a new shape for sodium chloride

> >> > crystals that the company hopes will allow it to reduce salt by 25

percent

> >> > in its Lay's Classic potato chips.

> >> >

> >> > Morton Satin, director for technical and regulatory affairs at the Salt

> >> > Institute, which represents salt producers, said regulation " would be a

> >> > disaster for the public. " He said that the science regarding sodium is

> >> > unclear and that consumption does not necessarily lead to health

problems.

> >> >

> >> > " If you consume a lot of salt, you also get rid of a lot of salt -- it

> >> > doesn't mean it's an excess, " he said. " I want to make sure they're

basing

> >> > this on everything that is in the scientific literature, so we don't end

up

> >> > being guinea pigs because someone thinks they're doing something good. "

> >> >

> >> > son of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which

> >> > first petitioned the FDA to regulate sodium in 1978, said voluntary

efforts

> >> > by industry are laudable, " but they could change their minds tomorrow. .

..

> .

> >> > Limiting sodium might be the single most important thing the FDA can to

do

> >> > to promote health. "

> >> >

> >> > In January, New York City launched a campaign against salt, urging food

> >> > manufacturers and chain restaurants to voluntarily reduce sodium by 25

> >> > percent in their products nationwide over the next five years. Baltimore,

> >> > Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and the District are among a list of cities

> >> > supporting the New York initiative.

> >> >

> >> > A recent study by researchers at Columbia and Stanford universities and

the

> >> > University of California at San Francisco found that cutting salt intake

by

> >> > 3 grams a day could prevent tens of thousands of heart attacks, strokes

and

> >> > cases of heart disease.

> >> >

> >> > Most salt eaten by Americans -- 77 percent -- comes from processed foods,

> >> > making it difficult for consumers to limit salt to healthy levels,

experts

> >> > say.

> >> >

> >> > " We can't just rely on the individual to do something, " said Cheryl

> >> > , an epidemiologist at the s Hopkins Bloomberg School of

Public

> >> > Health who served on the Institute of Medicine committee. " Food

> >> > manufacturers have to reduce the amount of sodium in foods. "

> >> >

> >> > Reducing salt across the food supply will be a massive and technically

> >> > challenging project. Although many artificial sweeteners have been

> >> > discovered, there is no salt substitute.

> >> >

> >> > Humans have an innate taste for salt, which is needed for some basic

> >> > biological functions. But beyond flavor, salt is also used as a

> >> preservative

> >> > to inhibit microbial growth; it gives texture and structure to certain

> >> > foods; and it helps leaven and brown baked goods.

> >> >

> >> > K. Beauchamp, a psychobiologist and director of the Monell Chemical

> >> > Senses Center in Philadelphia, said salt also provides another, less

> >> > understood quality. " It gives something that food people refer to as

> >> > 'mouthfeel,' " said Beauchamp, who also served on the Institutes of

> >> Medicine

> >> > committee. " For some soups, for instance, it's not just the salty taste

--

> >> > sodium makes the soup feel thicker. "

> >> >

> >> > Policymakers will have to decide whether to exempt inherently salty

foods,

> >> > such as pickles, while mandating changes in other products to reduce the

> >> > overall sodium levels in the food supply.

> >> >

> >> > Above all, government officials and food industry executives say, a

product

> >> > with reduced salt must still taste good, or it will flop in the

> >> marketplace,

> >> > as evidenced by several low-sodium products that had abysmal sales.

> >> >

> >> > " Historically, consumers have found low-sodium products haven't been of

the

> >> > quality that's expected, " said Todd Abraham, senior vice president of

> >> > research and nutrition for Kraft Foods. " We're all trying to maintain the

> >> > delicious quality of the product but one that consumers recognize as

> >> > healthier. "

> >> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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I think the benefit is, MAYBE they'll reduce the 6 grams of sodium in a 16" pizza.

The food market has gone crazy salting foods.

And I believe they're doing something to bagged romaine which can live in your frig for 6 weeks, then in the yard for a week.

Fresh foods are not labelled and I believe there a severe inaccuracies in labeling.

Regards

Re: [ ] FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

Ok, you got me... :-) I understand the impact across the general population, but they probably need to be advised to throw out those french fries too, not just the salt on them. Living in MS where something like 1/3 of the population is obese I get the sense that such general studies and advice is targeted at them not us.

How many people who are already restricting their food intake and preparing healthy meals from scratch could even reduce their salt intake 1/2 a teaspoon a day, and would that benefit them? Maybe I'm misreading this room? My apologies to any folks reading this who are still eating happy meals at Micky D's, and need a nudge.

For the record I know at least one CR follower with elevated BP so perhaps for him, if he is salt sensitive some extra attention to salt intake is advised (I believe he looked into that years ago). This is pretty old news for those paying attention to matters of nutrition (people like us).

Maybe I'm a overreacting because I don't have high BP, and found I could prevent my night cramping during hot summer months when I added salt to my diet. I concede my correlation with cramps and low salt intake is one rat anecdotal and not scientific, but it feels very real to me (cramps are a pain literally). I never seasoned food with salt and often dropped it from recipes where it wasn't doing something useful, now I make an effort to keep the salt when the recipe calls for it. I haven't had cramps for a couple years now. Note: I also started drinking a glass of vegetable juice every night before retiring (for sodium and other salts), so I no longer need to drink salt water which is pretty nasty.

This isolation of salt as a risk factor reminds me of the magical dietary thinking promoted by the food industry that people can game their diets and benefit from unusually low fat, or low carb, or low protein (?) ratios instead of reducing their total food intake. Salt intake will drop for the general population if they just cut back on the bulk volume of processed food they consume.

I'll shut up now.

JR

On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Novick wrote:

Just to be contrary... how many people exactly are killed by salt every year?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/health/nutrition/21salt.html?partner=rss & emc=rss

and

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2667673/?tool=pubmed

"We used data on risk factor exposures in the US population from nationally representative health surveys and disease-specific mortality statistics from the National Center for Health Statistics. We obtained the etiological effects of risk factors on disease-specific mortality, by age, from systematic reviews and meta-analyses of epidemiological studies that had adjusted (i) for major potential confounders, and (ii) where possible for regression dilution bias. We estimated the number of disease-specific deaths attributable to all non-optimal levels of each risk factor exposure, by age and sex. In 2005, tobacco smoking and high blood pressure were responsible for an estimated 467,000 (95% confidence interval [CI] 436,000–500,000) and 395,000 (372,000–414,000) deaths, accounting for about one in five or six deaths in US adults. Overweight–obesity (216,000; 188,000–237,000) and physical inactivity (191,000; 164,000–222,000) were each responsible for nearly 1 in 10 deaths. High dietary salt (102,000; 97,000–107,000), "

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My view is that the food industry has gone crazy with added salt and sugar. I'd

like to be able to buy a jar of spaghetti sauce every once in awhile because I

don't necessarily have the time to make it. But the salt content of the

processed stuff is through the roof!

The FDA wouldn't be limiting the amount of salt an individual eats. You can add

all the salt you want to foods. But it would be nice for people who do care

about how much salt they eat to be able to buy processed foods every once in

awhile without getting the overload. And there are people out there, like my

husband, who did not realize how bad salt is for them and would in principle

like to limit it but don't want to bother counting milligrams. It's about

eliminating the hidden salt in people's diets, not keeping people from eating

salt.

I see it as sort of like a seat belt law, or like train crossing guards. In the

long run they save society money because ultimately society pays for the costs

of injury and death due to people who don't give a hoot.

Diane

> > >> >

> > >> > About time..........

> > >> >

> > >> > By Lyndsey Layton

> > >> > Washington Post Staff Writer

> > >> > Tuesday, April 20, 2010

> > >> >

> > >> > The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to

> > >> > gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that

less

> > >> > sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of

deaths

> > >> > from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched

this

> > >> > year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of

salt

> > >> > allowed in food products.

> > >> >

> > >> > The government intends to work with the food industry and health

experts to

> > >> > reduce sodium gradually over a period of years to adjust the American

> > >> palate

> > >> > to a less salty diet, according to FDA sources, who spoke on condition

of

> > >> > anonymity because the initiative had not been formally announced.

> > >> >

> > >> > Officials have not determined the salt limits. In a complicated

> > >> undertaking,

> > >> > the FDA would analyze the salt in spaghetti sauces, breads and

thousands of

> > >> > other products that make up the $600 billion food and beverage market,

> > >> > sources said. Working with food manufacturers, the government would set

> > >> > limits for salt in these categories, designed to gradually ratchet down

> > >> > sodium consumption. The changes would be calibrated so that consumers

> > >> barely

> > >> > notice the modification.

> > >> >

> > >> > The legal limits would be open to public comment, but administration

> > >> > officials do not think they need additional authority from Congress.

> > >> >

> > >> > " This is a 10-year program, " one source said. " This is not rolling off

a

> > >> > log. We're talking about a comprehensive phase-down of a widely used

> > >> > ingredient. We're talking about embedded tastes in a whole generation

of

> > >> > people. "

> > >> >

> > >> > The FDA, which regulates most processed foods, would be joined in the

> > >> effort

> > >> > by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees meat and poultry.

> > >> >

> > >> > Currently, manufacturers can use as much salt as they like in products

> > >> > because under federal standards, it falls into the category deemed

> > >> > " generally recognized as safe. " Foodmakers are merely required to

report >>

> > the

> > >> > amount on nutrition labels.

> > >> >

> > >> > But for the past 30 years, health officials have grown increasingly

alarmed

> > >> > as salt intake has increased with the explosion in processed foods and

> > >> > restaurant meals. Most adults consume about twice the government's

daily

> > >> > recommended limit, according to the Centers for Disease Control and

> > >> > Prevention.

> > >> >

> > >> > Until now, the government has pushed the food industry to voluntarily

> > >> reduce

> > >> > salt and tried to educate consumers about the dangers of excessive

sodium.

> > >> > But in a study to be released Wednesday, an expert panel convened by

the

> > >> > Institute of Medicine concludes that those measures have failed. The

panel

> > >> > will recommend that the government take action, according to sources

> > >> > familiar with the findings.

> > >> >

> > >> > Although the specifics of the government's plans have not been made

public,

> > >> > the food industry has been bracing for a federal initiative.

> > >> >

> > >> > " We're working on it voluntarily already, " said Musiker, senior

> > >> > manager of science policy, nutrition and health at the Grocery

> > >> Manufacturers

> > >> > Association. In recent months, Conagra, Pepsico, Kraft Foods, General

> > >> Mills,

> > >> > Sara Lee and others have announced that they would reduce sodium in

many of

> > >> > their products. Pepsico has developed a new shape for sodium chloride

> > >> > crystals that the company hopes will allow it to reduce salt by 25

percent

> > >> > in its Lay's Classic potato chips.

> > >> >

> > >> > Morton Satin, director for technical and regulatory affairs at the Salt

> > >> > Institute, which represents salt producers, said regulation " would be a

> > >> > disaster for the public. " He said that the science regarding sodium is

> > >> > unclear and that consumption does not necessarily lead to health

problems.

> > >> >

> > >> > " If you consume a lot of salt, you also get rid of a lot of salt -- it

> > >> > doesn't mean it's an excess, " he said. " I want to make sure they're

basing

> > >> > this on everything that is in the scientific literature, so we don't

end up

> > >> > being guinea pigs because someone thinks they're doing something good. "

> > >> >

> > >> > son of the Center for Science in the Public Interest,

which

> > >> > first petitioned the FDA to regulate sodium in 1978, said voluntary

efforts

> > >> > by industry are laudable, " but they could change their minds tomorrow.

.. .

> > .

> > >> > Limiting sodium might be the single most important thing the FDA can to

do

> > >> > to promote health. "

> > >> >

> > >> > In January, New York City launched a campaign against salt, urging food

> > >> > manufacturers and chain restaurants to voluntarily reduce sodium by 25

> > >> > percent in their products nationwide over the next five years.

Baltimore,

> > >> > Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and the District are among a list of

cities

> > >> > supporting the New York initiative.

> > >> >

> > >> > A recent study by researchers at Columbia and Stanford universities and

the

> > >> > University of California at San Francisco found that cutting salt

intake by

> > >> > 3 grams a day could prevent tens of thousands of heart attacks, strokes

and

> > >> > cases of heart disease.

> > >> >

> > >> > Most salt eaten by Americans -- 77 percent -- comes from processed

foods,

> > >> > making it difficult for consumers to limit salt to healthy levels,

experts

> > >> > say.

> > >> >

> > >> > " We can't just rely on the individual to do something, " said Cheryl

> > >> > , an epidemiologist at the s Hopkins Bloomberg School of

Public

> > >> > Health who served on the Institute of Medicine committee. " Food

> > >> > manufacturers have to reduce the amount of sodium in foods. "

> > >> >

> > >> > Reducing salt across the food supply will be a massive and technically

> > >> > challenging project. Although many artificial sweeteners have been

> > >> > discovered, there is no salt substitute.

> > >> >

> > >> > Humans have an innate taste for salt, which is needed for some basic

> > >> > biological functions. But beyond flavor, salt is also used as a

> > >> preservative

> > >> > to inhibit microbial growth; it gives texture and structure to certain

> > >> > foods; and it helps leaven and brown baked goods.

> > >> >

> > >> > K. Beauchamp, a psychobiologist and director of the Monell

Chemical

> > >> > Senses Center in Philadelphia, said salt also provides another, less

> > >> > understood quality. " It gives something that food people refer to as

> > >> > 'mouthfeel,' " said Beauchamp, who also served on the Institutes of

> > >> Medicine

> > >> > committee. " For some soups, for instance, it's not just the salty taste

--

> > >> > sodium makes the soup feel thicker. "

> > >> >

> > >> > Policymakers will have to decide whether to exempt inherently salty

foods,

> > >> > such as pickles, while mandating changes in other products to reduce

the

> > >> > overall sodium levels in the food supply.

> > >> >

> > >> > Above all, government officials and food industry executives say, a

product

> > >> > with reduced salt must still taste good, or it will flop in the

> > >> marketplace,

> > >> > as evidenced by several low-sodium products that had abysmal sales.

> > >> >

> > >> > " Historically, consumers have found low-sodium products haven't been of

the

> > >> > quality that's expected, " said Todd Abraham, senior vice president of

> > >> > research and nutrition for Kraft Foods. " We're all trying to maintain

the

> > >> > delicious quality of the product but one that consumers recognize as

> > >> > healthier. "

> > >> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Political rants/blame have no place in a technical discussion.

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[ ] Re: FDA plans to limit amount of salt allowed in processed foods for health reasons

Note from moderator: I'm allowing this rant through this time to disprove this person's accusations that I don't allow posts that disagree with me. Many posters have disagreed with me over the years.He/She (?) has voluntarily left the group. The post below is rather insulting (ordinarily not tolerated here, no matter who is the insultee). ____________________________________This is not a matter of personal political opinion. It's a matter of logic and I'm pointing out to you that what you're saying is illogical. But, it's very totalitarian of you to allow yourself to post your own illogical political opinion - including the way off topic "reigning in Wall Street" nonsense - without allowing them to be challenged. You don't have a single "fact" in your post. It's all baseless opinion and any time somebody challenges your opinion you threaten not to publish their post.So, your logic is that A.) Corporations control what you eat and b.) instead of corporations interested "only in profits" you want politicians who are interested only in collecting bribes to control what you eat. Even less logical than your first post.A.) corporations no more control what you eat than the man on the moon does. Corporations produce products and compete for my business. If I don't like the product, I don't eat it. Do you have some kind of quota for cheetos you must meet every month or something? I hadn't heard of that. But if there were such a quota, would it be government or some private company that has the ability to legally enforce such a thing? hm....B.) I hope you're not suffering under any delusions that politicians are somehow interested in your health. Politicians are people who are interested in advancing their own agenda - as are you and I.As for reigning in Wall Street - it's off topic, but I've been on Wall Street my entire career. The bill reigns in nothing, but it gives the government the ability to take over ANY company on the pretext of "too big to fail". Sweden had a similar law and when companies became successful and large enough to show up on the radar, they left the country. It's people like you who suffered. The other thing this bill does is raise the threshold for qualified investors, meaning that 77% of qualified investors will no longer be qualified to invest in the average joe entrepreneur's start-up company. Way to piss on American entrepreneur's dreams - unless they come from a wealthy family. But, it does not in any way "reign in Wall Street" (whatever that means and I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about). Why? Well, Wall Street firms are cronies. We simply buy the politicians and all of their power and since this bill gives politicians more power, there's more of it to buy. That's how Madoff got away with it for as long as he did. You, on the other hand, are some peon who is of no use to the politicians, so they don't really care what happens to you.. > >> >> >> > About time..........> >> > > >> > By Lyndsey Layton> >> > Washington Post Staff Writer> >> > Tuesday, April 20, 2010> >> > > >> > The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to> >> > gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that less> >> > sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of deaths> >> > from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched this> >> > year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt> >> > allowed in food products.> >> > > >> > The government intends to work with the food industry and health experts to> >> > reduce sodium gradually over a period of years to adjust the American> >> palate> >> > to a less salty diet, according to FDA sources, who spoke on condition of> >> > anonymity because the initiative had not been formally announced.> >> > > >> > Officials have not determined the salt limits. In a complicated> >> undertaking,> >> > the FDA would analyze the salt in spaghetti sauces, breads and thousands of> >> > other products that make up the $600 billion food and beverage market,> >> > sources said. Working with food manufacturers, the government would set> >> > limits for salt in these categories, designed to gradually ratchet down> >> > sodium consumption. The changes would be calibrated so that consumers> >> barely> >> > notice the modification.> >> > > >> > The legal limits would be open to public comment, but administration> >> > officials do not think they need additional authority from Congress.> >> > > >> > "This is a 10-year program," one source said. "This is not rolling off a> >> > log. We're talking about a comprehensive phase-down of a widely used> >> > ingredient. We're talking about embedded tastes in a whole generation of> >> > people."> >> > > >> > The FDA, which regulates most processed foods, would be joined in the> >> effort> >> > by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees meat and poultry.> >> > > >> > Currently, manufacturers can use as much salt as they like in products> >> > because under federal standards, it falls into the category deemed> >> > "generally recognized as safe." Foodmakers are merely required to report >>> the> >> > amount on nutrition labels.> >> > > >> > But for the past 30 years, health officials have grown increasingly alarmed> >> > as salt intake has increased with the explosion in processed foods and> >> > restaurant meals. Most adults consume about twice the government's daily> >> > recommended limit, according to the Centers for Disease Control and> >> > Prevention.> >> > > >> > Until now, the government has pushed the food industry to voluntarily> >> reduce> >> > salt and tried to educate consumers about the dangers of excessive sodium.> >> > But in a study to be released Wednesday, an expert panel convened by the> >> > Institute of Medicine concludes that those measures have failed. The panel> >> > will recommend that the government take action, according to sources> >> > familiar with the findings.> >> > > >> > Although the specifics of the government's plans have not been made public,> >> > the food industry has been bracing for a federal initiative.> >> > > >> > "We're working on it voluntarily already," said Musiker, senior> >> > manager of science policy, nutrition and health at the Grocery> >> Manufacturers> >> > Association. In recent months, Conagra, Pepsico, Kraft Foods, General> >> Mills,> >> > Sara Lee and others have announced that they would reduce sodium in many of> >> > their products. Pepsico has developed a new shape for sodium chloride> >> > crystals that the company hopes will allow it to reduce salt by 25 percent> >> > in its Lay's Classic potato chips.> >> > > >> > Morton Satin, director for technical and regulatory affairs at the Salt> >> > Institute, which represents salt producers, said regulation "would be a> >> > disaster for the public." He said that the science regarding sodium is> >> > unclear and that consumption does not necessarily lead to health problems.> >> > > >> > "If you consume a lot of salt, you also get rid of a lot of salt -- it> >> > doesn't mean it's an excess," he said. "I want to make sure they're basing> >> > this on everything that is in the scientific literature, so we don't end up> >> > being guinea pigs because someone thinks they're doing something good."> >> > > >> > son of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which> >> > first petitioned the FDA to regulate sodium in 1978, said voluntary efforts> >> > by industry are laudable, "but they could change their minds tomorrow. . .> .> >> > Limiting sodium might be the single most important thing the FDA can to do> >> > to promote health."> >> > > >> > In January, New York City launched a campaign against salt, urging food> >> > manufacturers and chain restaurants to voluntarily reduce sodium by 25> >> > percent in their products nationwide over the next five years. Baltimore,> >> > Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and the District are among a list of cities> >> > supporting the New York initiative.> >> > > >> > A recent study by researchers at Columbia and Stanford universities and the> >> > University of California at San Francisco found that cutting salt intake by> >> > 3 grams a day could prevent tens of thousands of heart attacks, strokes and> >> > cases of heart disease.> >> > > >> > Most salt eaten by Americans -- 77 percent -- comes from processed foods,> >> > making it difficult for consumers to limit salt to healthy levels, experts> >> > say.> >> > > >> > "We can't just rely on the individual to do something," said Cheryl> >> > , an epidemiologist at the s Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public> >> > Health who served on the Institute of Medicine committee. "Food> >> > manufacturers have to reduce the amount of sodium in foods."> >> > > >> > Reducing salt across the food supply will be a massive and technically> >> > challenging project. Although many artificial sweeteners have been> >> > discovered, there is no salt substitute.> >> > > >> > Humans have an innate taste for salt, which is needed for some basic> >> > biological functions. But beyond flavor, salt is also used as a> >> preservative> >> > to inhibit microbial growth; it gives texture and structure to certain> >> > foods; and it helps leaven and brown baked goods.> >> > > >> > K. Beauchamp, a psychobiologist and director of the Monell Chemical> >> > Senses Center in Philadelphia, said salt also provides another, less> >> > understood quality. "It gives something that food people refer to as> >> > 'mouthfeel,' " said Beauchamp, who also served on the Institutes of> >> Medicine> >> > committee. "For some soups, for instance, it's not just the salty taste --> >> > sodium makes the soup feel thicker."> >> > > >> > Policymakers will have to decide whether to exempt inherently salty foods,> >> > such as pickles, while mandating changes in other products to reduce the> >> > overall sodium levels in the food supply.> >> > > >> > Above all, government officials and food industry executives say, a product> >> > with reduced salt must still taste good, or it will flop in the> >> marketplace,> >> > as evidenced by several low-sodium products that had abysmal sales.> >> > > >> > "Historically, consumers have found low-sodium products haven't been of the> >> > quality that's expected," said Todd Abraham, senior vice president of> >> > research and nutrition for Kraft Foods. "We're all trying to maintain the> >> > delicious quality of the product but one that consumers recognize as> >> > healthier."> >> >> > > > > > > > > >>__________ NOD32 4893 (20100224) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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