Re: Re: Vegetarian Gorillas

[Guest guest]

Without knowing how many total calories you’re consuming and how much exercise you’re getting. it would be difficult to tell you what’s up.

BUT note that we are not a “weight loss” group. We are a “low cal healthy eating” type group. In fact if you have read Walford (which is a requirement to post in this group) note that the low-caloried, heavier-weight mice, lived longer (i.e. were healthier) than the skinny minny mice.

From: Flower <flowerpowerpetalpusher@...>

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:21:26 -0000

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Subject: [ ] Re: Vegetarian Gorillas

I have been eating more beans and grains and have been gaining weight

much to my discomfort. If I add meat to the grains. I balloon up in

weight rather quickly. How come my wife and I have to stick to

mostly veggies to keep it down? We have a daughter-in-law vegetarian

that eats twice as much as we do yet gains no weight. What's up with

that? We tried the all fruit type of eating and that didn't work

either. A few doctors talk about grains not being good for us or not

optimal. The only thing we have come up with that works without feeling too

uncomfortable with all the bloat from fiber is a few eggwhites, some

apples and some tuna and salads and that is about it. With the

grains I have gone back up 10 lbs. Eating like a gorilla has not

helped with the bloat! Any help?

Bob

--- In <mailto: %40> , " jwwright " <jwwright@...>

wrote:

>

> I selected a variety of regular fruits and come up with

> 2000 kcals, 100 oz of water, and only 20 grams Protein.

> I do 120 oz water daily anyway, but I'd need to add a

> scoop of whey, or soy protein isolate, or egg whites to

> bring up the protein.

>

>

> Regards

>

> [ ] Vegetarian Gorillas

>

>

> One of the evolutionary differences between humans and

> other great

> apes was the reduction of the length of the intestinal

> tract. Through

> bipedalism and tool use, humans could get

> nutrient-dense foods like

> meats instead of fibrous, hard-to-digest vegetables.

>

> Have you ever looked at the stomach of a gorilla? Their

> abdomen is

> almost twice the circumference of their chest, although

> there are some

> very obese people for which this is also true.

>

> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YZF8hY__8ck/RibaMdN17eI/AAAAA

> AAABq0/mJkPGxDIreU/s1600-h/DSC_6911--Gorilla+sitting+en

> +ca.jpg

>

> Cooking foods to make them softer and more digestible

> also had an

> influence in reducing the length of the human digestive

> tract. The

> Neanderthals that preceded us had a bulky mid-section

> which was

> advantageous at the time because of the cold weather

> during the ice

> ages. They also introduced the use of fire 300,000

> years ago. The

> use of fire was well established by the time that Homo

> sapiens

> appeared 160,000 yrs ago.

>

> It would be hard for humans to eat 25 pounds of

> vegetables a day.

> Modern vegetarian diets reduce the weight of food

> needed by using

> beans and grains which are more nutrient-dense than

> vegetables and

> fruits which have a lot of water.

>

> Tony

>

[Guest guest]

That's been my problem after 55yo.

We require 7 kcals per day less each year than the year

before.

Also, I control mine with not only less calroies (CR)

but lower protein as well.

I find a diet closer to vegetarian better than a high

fat meat diet, but there are prorbably other ways for

othet individuals.

I would not rec any particular diet, but ask your Dr. A

62 yo neighbor is using a Dr approved pre- diabetes

(which is mostly veggies) successfully.

Regards

[ ] Re: Vegetarian Gorillas

I have been eating more beans and grains and have been

gaining weight

much to my discomfort. If I add meat to the grains. I

balloon up in

weight rather quickly. How come my wife and I have to

stick to

mostly veggies to keep it down? We have a

daughter-in-law vegetarian

that eats twice as much as we do yet gains no weight.

What's up with

that? We tried the all fruit type of eating and that

didn't work

either. A few doctors talk about grains not being good

for us or not

optimal. The only thing we have come up with that works

without feeling too

uncomfortable with all the bloat from fiber is a few

eggwhites, some

apples and some tuna and salads and that is about it.

With the

grains I have gone back up 10 lbs. Eating like a

gorilla has not

helped with the bloat! Any help?

Bob

[Guest guest]

I'm having a tough time sticking with the program.

I managed really well for 5 days and felt great.

My diet doesn't have a lot of sugar or starch or fat. The portions and frequency are the problems. I really need to lose 15 to 20 pounds and stay there.

Maybe I just need to get busier. When I feel like eating when I'm not hungry just do something else.

How do you manage?

Ann

From: jwwright <jwwright@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Vegetarian Gorillas , "Flower" <flowerpowerpetalpusher@...>Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 7:56 PM

That's been my problem after 55yo.We require 7 kcals per day less each year than the yearbefore.Also, I control mine with not only less calroies (CR)but lower protein as well.I find a diet closer to vegetarian better than a highfat meat diet, but there are prorbably other ways forothet individuals.I would not rec any particular diet, but ask your Dr. A62 yo neighbor is using a Dr approved pre- diabetes(which is mostly veggies) successfully.Regards [ ] Re: Vegetarian GorillasI have been eating more beans and grains and have beengaining weightmuch to my discomfort. If I add meat to the grains. Iballoon up inweight rather quickly. How come my

wife and I have tostick tomostly veggies to keep it down? We have adaughter-in- law vegetarianthat eats twice as much as we do yet gains no weight.What's up withthat? We tried the all fruit type of eating and thatdidn't workeither. A few doctors talk about grains not being goodfor us or notoptimal. The only thing we have come up with that workswithout feeling toouncomfortable with all the bloat from fiber is a feweggwhites, someapples and some tuna and salads and that is about it.With thegrains I have gone back up 10 lbs. Eating like agorilla has nothelped with the bloat! Any help?Bob

[Guest guest]

I would suggest reading or re-reading Walford’s “Beyond the 30 Year Diet” and re-reading all our files (which compile the best of our posts). Also keeping up with this list.

Support such as this helps. I also weigh myself every morning. I’m not fixated on my weight, but it helps me gauge if I’ve eaten too much lately. Usually my weight is the same every day and that keeps me from going over vis-à-vis too many calories.

From: Ann <anbw@...>

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:01:51 -0800 (PST)

< >

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Vegetarian Gorillas

I'm having a tough time sticking with the program.

I managed really well for 5 days and felt great.

My diet doesn't have a lot of sugar or starch or fat. The portions and frequency are the problems. I really need to lose 15 to 20 pounds and stay there.

Maybe I just need to get busier. When I feel like eating when I'm not hungry just do something else.

How do you manage?

Ann

From: jwwright <jwwright@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Vegetarian Gorillas

, " Flower " <flowerpowerpetalpusher@...>

Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 7:56 PM

That's been my problem after 55yo.

We require 7 kcals per day less each year than the year

before.

Also, I control mine with not only less calroies (CR)

but lower protein as well.

I find a diet closer to vegetarian better than a high

fat meat diet, but there are prorbably other ways for

othet individuals.

I would not rec any particular diet, but ask your Dr. A

62 yo neighbor is using a Dr approved pre- diabetes

(which is mostly veggies) successfully.

Regards

[ ] Re: Vegetarian Gorillas

I have been eating more beans and grains and have been

gaining weight

much to my discomfort. If I add meat to the grains. I

balloon up in

weight rather quickly. How come my wife and I have to

stick to

mostly veggies to keep it down? We have a

daughter-in- law vegetarian

that eats twice as much as we do yet gains no weight.

What's up with

that? We tried the all fruit type of eating and that

didn't work

either. A few doctors talk about grains not being good

for us or not

optimal. The only thing we have come up with that works

without feeling too

uncomfortable with all the bloat from fiber is a few

eggwhites, some

apples and some tuna and salads and that is about it.

With the

grains I have gone back up 10 lbs. Eating like a

gorilla has not

helped with the bloat! Any help?

Bob

[Guest guest]

Whoops sorry: “Beyond the 120 Year Diet , our “bible” here.

From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...>

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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:55:26 -0500

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Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Vegetarian Gorillas

I would suggest reading or re-reading Walford’s “Beyond the 30 Year Diet” and re-reading all our files (which compile the best of our posts). Also keeping up with this list.

Support such as this helps. I also weigh myself every morning. I’m not fixated on my weight, but it helps me gauge if I’ve eaten too much lately. Usually my weight is the same every day and that keeps me from going over vis-à-vis too many calories.

From: Ann <anbw@...>

Reply-< >

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:01:51 -0800 (PST)

< >

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Vegetarian Gorillas

I'm having a tough time sticking with the program.

I managed really well for 5 days and felt great.

My diet doesn't have a lot of sugar or starch or fat. The portions and frequency are the problems. I really need to lose 15 to 20 pounds and stay there.

Maybe I just need to get busier. When I feel like eating when I'm not hungry just do something else.

How do you manage?

Ann

From: jwwright <jwwright@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Vegetarian Gorillas

, " Flower " <flowerpowerpetalpusher@...>

Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 7:56 PM

That's been my problem after 55yo.

We require 7 kcals per day less each year than the year

before.

Also, I control mine with not only less calroies (CR)

but lower protein as well.

I find a diet closer to vegetarian better than a high

fat meat diet, but there are prorbably other ways for

othet individuals.

I would not rec any particular diet, but ask your Dr. A

62 yo neighbor is using a Dr approved pre- diabetes

(which is mostly veggies) successfully.

Regards

[ ] Re: Vegetarian Gorillas

I have been eating more beans and grains and have been

gaining weight

much to my discomfort. If I add meat to the grains. I

balloon up in

weight rather quickly. How come my wife and I have to

stick to

mostly veggies to keep it down? We have a

daughter-in- law vegetarian

that eats twice as much as we do yet gains no weight.

What's up with

that? We tried the all fruit type of eating and that

didn't work

either. A few doctors talk about grains not being good

for us or not

optimal. The only thing we have come up with that works

without feeling too

uncomfortable with all the bloat from fiber is a few

eggwhites, some

apples and some tuna and salads and that is about it.

With the

grains I have gone back up 10 lbs. Eating like a

gorilla has not

helped with the bloat! Any help?

Bob

[Guest guest]

I weigh every morning. If I'm heavier I'll skip

breakfast. that's always been the easiest for me.

Fat in prepared foods is very hard to eyeball and I

believe the pkg contents varies a lot, so I shoot for

zero fat products and add known fat, like walnuts (1/2

oz).

If I get a restaurant salad, I'll order the dressing on

the side, but mostly I don't eat fats.Veggies contain

enough fat.

I've been walking a lot for 8 yrs, but that doesn't get

certain adipose areas.

So I started back at the gym.

In CR, there's a balance of keeping the metabolic rate

up - if you eat less it will fall . If you need to lose weight, you will

exercise to get that up, but if you're at your goal,

you'll want to stay at that rate.

When I exercise for 1 hr, my temp goes up to 98.4, but

will fall in a few hours.

This may seem like a lot of huey, but sooner or later

you'll decide you MUST do something.

And that is simply CR and exercise. The latest info on

muscle tissue is we need to exercise to regenerate

muscle and that includes the heart.

BTW, HHMI has a good lecture on obesity and the DVDs

are free.

http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/obesity/lectures.htm

l

Regards

Re: [ ] Re: Vegetarian Gorillas

I'm having a tough time sticking with the program.

I managed really well for 5 days and felt great.

My diet doesn't have a lot of sugar or starch or fat.

The portions and frequency are the problems. I really

need to lose 15 to 20 pounds and stay there.

Maybe I just need to get busier. When I feel like

eating when I'm not hungry just do something else.

How do you manage?

Ann