Flu

[Guest guest]

I have a great chicken soup recipe designed to knock out a cold or the flu. At

least it helps.

Vicki

Re: flu

I've been experimenting lately with taking 1 - 2 grams of vitamin C

every hour or two until either the symptoms go away or I get the

runs. Not something to try if you're far from a bathroom! But since

I've been playing around with this, I've only gotten sick when I get

lazy about keeping it up, and none of them have entered my chest, made

me get a fever, or really knocked me out the way things did last

winter. Usually if it doesn't go away the first day, I only get a

stuffy nose and still have plenty of energy.

This is a theory by Linus ing, Cathcart, and Klenner, that if you

take as much C as your body can absorb, it first eliminates all the

toxins from the disease, then the germs themselves (or helps your body

do it). So first all your symptoms go away (or ease up much better

than from medications at least) then after another day or two of high

dose C the germs themselves are wiped out. Then you wean yourself off

the high amounts gradually to keep the few survivors from being able

to have a resurgance. A homeless guy first told me about it!

I've also heard that chicken soup with plenty of vegetables is good.

- Renate

[Guest guest]

Vicki,

what is the recipe?

[Guest guest]

;

here's the recipe. You can use canned chicken, but it's not as good tasting or

good for you. Also, when you're sick you won't feel like going to all this

trouble so I make it when I'm feeling better, then freeze it.

Put a whole chicken in a pot and boil it until it's falling off the bone. Pour

the broth in a large jar and refrigerate. De-bone the chicken.

When the broth has cooled enough for the fat to come to the top, ladle off about

3/4 or the fat and toss it.

Put the chicken and broth into a large pot and add these chopped veggies:

1 large potato

2 carrots

1 whole onion

2 large celery stalks

and these spices/herbs: ( had to estimate these because I just pour them in

liberally, so do these to taste)

1 tsp garlic powder (or two cloves fresh pressed garlic)

1 tbsp poultry seasoning

1 tbsp sage

1 tsp thyme

1 tsp black pepper

2 tbsp parsley

1 tbsp salt

Simmer for two hours. Then add 1 pound egg noodles and cook until tender.

This makes a BIG pot of soup. Sorry. I can't make it taste good if I cut the

recipe.

This is good for you soup and it tastes great, especially if you're sick.

Vicki

Re: Re: flu

Vicki,

what is the recipe?

[Guest guest]

I used that osicollicium or however you spell it, several years ago. I

took it at the first sign of flu and then took more every half an hour

or something until all symptoms were gone. I couldn't believe how well

it worked! I got it from Wal-Mart, in the pharmacy section. I think

it was kind of expensive though. Bertie

[Guest guest]

coconut oil/milk

Dean

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ok guys,

I think I could very possibly be coming down with the flu. Any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

Elderberry is way cheap and has so far worked just as well for us.

I'm a little skeeved by the way occillococcinum is made... irrational,

but still, things work better if you believe in them.

--- In , " Bertie " <bjvarmuzek@...>

wrote:

>

> I used that osicollicium or however you spell it, several years

ago. I

> took it at the first sign of flu and then took more every half an

hour

> or something until all symptoms were gone. I couldn't believe how

well

> it worked! I got it from Wal-Mart, in the pharmacy section. I

think

> it was kind of expensive though. Bertie

>

[Guest guest]

Did anyone mention kai tom kha? thai chicken-coconut soup. the bomb

for sickness, although it should be made light on the coco milk if the

stomach is touchy.

it's best if you have all the ingredients (chicken stock and chicken,

coco milk, galangal or ginger, chilis, lemon or lime juice, fish

sauce, lime leaf, cilantro) but a basic soup with just stock, chicken,

coco milk plus whatever else (garlic, ginger, onions, lemons/limes

with or without zest, hot pepper etc) is good too.

>

> coconut oil/milk

>

> Dean

>

> -------------------------

> ok guys,

> I think I could very possibly be coming down with the flu. Any

suggestions?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob-

>why is vinegar better?

H202 in the ear quickly breaks down into water, thus dramatically

reducing the ear's natural acidity and actually making it MORE

vulnerable to infection. Vinegar, by contrast, maintains and

supports that acidity.

-

[Guest guest]

Lynda ~

Yeah ! ! It is about time ! ! I

am so glad you are finally feeling

better ! Chinese,.... yummy ! !

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[Guest guest]

Dede,

It is so about time. I am an active person most of the time, and

being down is sooooo hard for me.

Lynda

At 06:25 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote:

>Lynda ~

>Yeah ! ! It is about time ! ! I

>am so glad you are finally feeling

>better ! Chinese,.... yummy ! !

>Hugs ~ Dede

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm not sure why you could have come down with two flu like viruses in a month except to say that there are a lot of viruses out there. While it is possible that you caught two variations of the flu, it is also possible that your body is finally recognizing some of the flu viruses that have been hiding out in your cells. I was watching the show on Animal Planet called "Monsters Inside Me" and it said that viruses can lurk within our cells and not be recognized by our bodies. Then at some opportune time they come out and start attacking.

I do know that LDN helps our bodies to recognize invaders so that our immune systems can fight them. So then either situation is a possibility.

Judy HTo better health through knowledgeStarted taking LDN on 1/21/2009 for Fibromyalgia, Hypothyroid, PCOS and Restless Legs SyndromeLDNforFibro/

Hi.Ive been taking LDN for about 7 months for CFS/ME and have been very very pleased with the progress ive made! However I am slightly baffled as to why ive had two very similar flu like viruses almost back to back. I know it could just be bad luck, but ive never never been hit twice in the one month by any thing like this before.Symptoms include aching muscles, especially in the lower back, heavy limbs, and high temp...no coughing, sneezing or any real throat pain.Also I was perfectly well in between each episode.Any feedback appreciated.regards, Helen

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this is what you had but it reminded me of a flu episode

about 25 years ago. My husband caught the flu and 3 weeks after getting

over it he awoke with stabbing pains in his chest. The doctor couldn't

find anything wrong with him and he just let it pass. We found out a

short while later that a friend of ours had the same reaction and spent

3 days in the hospital and they couldn't find anything wrong with her

either. I don't remember if it was the same flu episode but there was a

flu that went around and if people didn't rest properly afterwards, it

would come back again. I recall that one friend had it three times. It

was called the " Ping Pong Flu " because you didn't seem to build up an

immunity to it.

Perla

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi.

>

> Ive been taking LDN for about 7 months for CFS/ME and have been very very

pleased with the progress ive made! However I am slightly baffled as to why ive

had two very similar flu like viruses almost back to back. I know it could just

be bad luck, but ive never never been hit twice in the one month by any thing

like this before.

>

> Symptoms include aching muscles, especially in the lower back, heavy limbs,

and high temp...no coughing, sneezing or any real throat pain.

>

> Also I was perfectly well in between each episode.

>

> Any feedback appreciated.

>

> regards,

>

> Helen

>================

Some reasons for negative responses to LDN by Dr. Jaquelyn McCandless

Re: ldn

As usual, I need to emphasize that seldom is LDN a stand-alone treatment, but

accompanies other strategies their body needs, especially a healthy diet. No

sugar, dairy or gluten.

It takes some people longer to respond to LDN, and they may be colonized with

pathogenic yeast and bacteria that could be slowing response.

There is a phenomenon that happens to some people that as the immune system is

shifting (usually from T2 to T1) right after starting LDN, the immune system

drops and people get an infection, cold, flu, cold sore, etc. which is usually

short lived. Candida tends to overgrow or a virus will flare up. These

infections are usually short-lived unless something like candida and gut

bacteria needs treatment.

Are you a big bread/carbohydrate/sugar eater?

Ever been tested for candida (yeast) or gut bacterial infestation?

Ever been checked for hypothyroidism?

Would you be willing to stop all casein (milk products) and gluten (wheat, rye,

barley and oats) for a week and see if you feel better? A study done several

years ago showed that 30% of us have some degree of celiac disease

(intolerance/allegy to wheat) even though the clinical symptoms may not be

obvious enough to alert most people to that. When anyone in that 30% of persons

stops eating wheat, they feel a lot better. The LDN may be acting like the

opioid antagonist it is and causing a withdrawal reaction from taking away your

fix, even if only for a few hours.

Try to hang in for awhile longer, and it will probably get better. These

setbacks usually do not last long unless something like a yeast infection is

stubborn without specific treatment.

Dr. JM

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Q: Dr. JM or anyone- Does LDN cause candida?

A: LDN has been noted to aggravate yeast infections and other latent pathogens,

viruses, etc. as the immune system is making early adjustments. It is good to

have natural yeast remedies on board when LDN is started (grapefruit seed

extract, Candex, lauricidin, hi-potency probiotics, etc) to help offset this

possibility. (And of course a good dietary regime that does not encourage gut

inflammation which is usually the predecessor to pathogen invasion).

Dr. Jaquelyn McCandless

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[Guest guest]

Take a deep breath. If any of us gets the swine flu, we know that the vaccine

likely won't help as it is the same situation as the flu shot, hit or miss

whether it's going to be the right strain. I stockpile lomatium dissectum for

this type of hype. It has saved people from pandemics in the past. It is sold

under the name ldm 100. Very powerful herbal, there is information on dosing on

the mb12/valtrex group. It can cause a detox rash that is harmless but treatable

with neem. Google google google, try a naturopath for a better immune system or

a chinese medicine practitioner for more info on ldm and other anti virals.

Kes

>

> I know these are good for preventing the flu: echinacea, astragalus, inositol,

vitamin A, vitamin C.

>

> But now that she has the full blown flu... I am going to give OLE. She goes

crazy with everythig I try, but my husband has me a wreck that this is the swine

flu.

>

[Guest guest]

She will be fine, and really isn't at elevated risk unless she has those

myterious 'underlying conditions' the government hesitates to reveal (drives me

insane). H1N1 isn't the apocalypse they want you to think it is...

If she truly has horrendous reactions to all supplements I'd skip it for now and

let her body run its own healing course. Keep her hydrated and avoid foods like

dairy/sugars that negatively effect healing.

Don't be a wreck.

Pam

>

> I know these are good for preventing the flu: echinacea, astragalus, inositol,

vitamin A, vitamin C.

>

> But now that she has the full blown flu... I am going to give OLE. She goes

crazy with everythig I try, but my husband has me a wreck that this is the swine

flu.

>

[Guest guest]

Our (former) DAN doc says echinacea is not recommended for swine flu. Also

goldenseal. I don't know why, just passing it along. Maggied.

>

> I know these are good for preventing the flu: echinacea, astragalus, inositol,

vitamin A, vitamin C.

>

> But now that she has the full blown flu... I am going to give OLE. She goes

crazy with everythig I try, but my husband has me a wreck that this is the swine

flu.

>

[Guest guest]

I have read somewhere. can't remember where, that you should not take immune

boosters if you have the swine flu.  This is because the white blood cells are

already over producing when people get the swine flu and giving immune boosters

increases the amount of white blood cells thus producing more mucus in the

lungs.  It is good to give immune boosters before you get the flu however.

From: Maggie <Mgds@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Flu

Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 2:12 PM

 

Our (former) DAN doc says echinacea is not recommended for

swine flu. Also goldenseal. I don't know why, just passing it along. Maggied.

>

> I know these are good for preventing the flu: echinacea, astragalus, inositol,

vitamin A, vitamin C.

>

> But now that she has the full blown flu... I am going to give OLE. She goes

crazy with everythig I try, but my husband has me a wreck that this is the swine

flu.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks.

On Oct 30, 2009, at 8:48 AM, Pamela H wrote:

> She will be fine, and really isn't at elevated risk unless she has

> those myterious 'underlying conditions' the government hesitates to

> reveal (drives me insane). H1N1 isn't the apocalypse they want you

> to think it is...

>

> If she truly has horrendous reactions to all supplements I'd skip

> it for now and let her body run its own healing course. Keep her

> hydrated and avoid foods like dairy/sugars that negatively effect

> healing.

>

> Don't be a wreck.

>

> Pam

>

>

> >

> > I know these are good for preventing the flu: echinacea,

> astragalus, inositol, vitamin A, vitamin C.

> >

> > But now that she has the full blown flu... I am going to give

> OLE. She goes crazy with everythig I try, but my husband has me a

> wreck that this is the swine flu.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi folks:

A quick reminder of my suggestion that if anyone here gets the flu, it would be

really interesting for us all to know that. And also to know how restricted

(degree of CR) you consider yourself to be, and also how much vitamin D you have

been supplementing daily over the past several months.

This would just be a small, unscientific, anecdotal measure of the effectiveness

of vitamin D in preventing the flu.

Rodney.

[Guest guest]

According to my doc, most people do get this flu mildly. They’re only concerned about the young set and pregnant women. She told me that her kids came down with it and she and her husband didn’t even catch it from the kids.

So don’t know if any conclusions can be drawn afa vit D or even CR

On 11/6/09 10:47 AM, " berko5517 " <michelleberkovitz@...> wrote:

I had been supplementing with 2g D3 daily for about 8-10 months when I got the flu a couple of weeks ago. It lasted less than 2 days, and the main symptom was feeling like I'd been hit by a truck and couldn't get out of bed. Also briefly had a fever of 100 and still have the cough that started at that time. I feel like I got off very lightly.

I don't know the actual degree of my CR, but I eat a whole foods vegan diet under which I've lost 20 pounds since mid August, so I'm sure it was significantly restricted. I eat no refined foods, including extracted oils and refined grains, nor sugar or artificial sweeteners, nor caffeine, and keep sodium below my caloric intake (mg to calories). I limit raw nuts/seeds to an ounce a day, limit cooked starchy veggies and grains to a total of no more than 1 C a day(sometimes none at all), limit avocado to 2 ounces a day. I eat at least 4 fruits a day, 1 C of beans, and as many veggies as I can, including aiming for a pound of leafy greens each day.

I addition to D, I also supplement with a vegan DHA, a vegan multi-vitamin that has no vitamin A, calcium, and borage oil (for my skin).

>

> Hi folks:

>

> A quick reminder of my suggestion that if anyone here gets the flu, it would be really interesting for us all to know that. And also to know how restricted (degree of CR) you consider yourself to be, and also how much vitamin D you have been supplementing daily over the past several months.

>

> This would just be a small, unscientific, anecdotal measure of the effectiveness of vitamin D in preventing the flu.

>

> Rodney.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello,

> I just had the flu and a chest infection. Can that bring on candida? I did

> not take any antibiotics or other medications whatsoever. All I did was

> have homemade chicken soup, lots of garlic and ginger, used H202 and other

> natural means but I'm dealing with a candida issue. Can having the flu or

> an infection trigger that?

+++Hi Elyse,

Are you on my candida program?

Getting the flu means your body is detoxifying itself. An infection is created

by the body itself in order to get rid of toxins - see this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/nature3.php

All the best, Bee