Re: Zone Diet --- Re: help to stay the course

[Guest guest]

Yes but does it lead to better health and longer life? That is the question. Show us the research if it does.

As I recall the only “special” diet that does this (aside from CRON) is the Mediterranean Diet, as noted in our files.

From: citpeks <citpeks@...>

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:21:30 -0000

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Subject: [ ] Zone Diet --- Re: help to stay the course

Rodney,

Although we don't discuss the Zone diet here much, the Zone

macronutrient ratios of 30:30:40 (P:F:C) are a natural result of

decreasing empty calories, generally carbohydrates, from the standard

American diet (USDA) which advocates 15:30:55 (P:F:C) and has helped

Americans become the fattest people in the world. The Zone diet is

discussed more frequently in the Calorie Restriction Society.

The higher protein ratios of the Zone diet promote the feeling of

satiety. Some recent work has found that " diets heavy in protein

spark the production of glucose in the small intestine. That rise in

glucose, sensed in the liver and relayed to the brain, led the animals

to eat less " :

http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/how_protein-rich_diets_curb_hunger_9243

Clearly, Calorie Restriction is a procedure that you can apply to any

diet. You can practice CR using the Zone diet, the USDA diet, or any

other diet. The question of which diet is optimal for the lower

calorie intake levels of CR remains unanswered. Each of us has to

make a bet on what we believe works best for us.

The concept of a " healthy diet " keeps shifting as science advances.

Harvard has a new food pyramid

(http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/) which emphasizes more

vegetables and less meat.

Tony

> >

> > AFA I know, the Zone thing is not CRON.

> > Ch. D.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: mary_lowther <mary_lowther@>

> > <mailto: %40>

> > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:41:27 AM

> > Subject: [ ] help to stay the course

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm new so please bear with me...I've been basically following the

> > CRON diet for 6 months, and, thanks to the CRON website, got turned

> > on to Barry Sears' " Zone " books, which are the best nutritional

> books

> > I've ever read. Been following his basic diet now for about 4

> months.

> >

> > So. Went to the ophthalmologist yesterday for my three-month check

> > up as usual because I have an artificial cornea and the eyeball

> > pressure has been somewhat high. Pressure was down by several

> points

> > (after gradually always climbing for the last 10 years since the

> > implant), in both eyes, and the good doctor doesn't want to see me

> > for a year or two now. Sure I told him about my diet and he wrote

> it

> > in my file. And I have no doubt that it's the reason for improved

> > pressures.

> >

> > I was hoping to find suggestions as to how to stay the course

> because

> > I still find it very difficult.

> >

> > Thanks for providing a great service.

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >As I recall the only “special” diet that does this (aside from CRON)

is the Mediterranean Diet, as noted in our files.

And the Okinawan diet.

Also, I have posted some published studies here on criticisms of the

Zone diet and how it selectively picks and uses literature to support

its theory.

Regards

Jeff

Francesca Skelton wrote:

>

> Yes but does it lead to better health and longer life? That is the

> question. Show us the research if it does.

>

> As I recall the only “special” diet that does this (aside from CRON)

> is the Mediterranean Diet, as noted in our files.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> *From: *citpeks <citpeks@...>

> *Reply-*< >

> *Date: *Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:21:30 -0000

> **< >

> *Subject: *[ ] Zone Diet --- Re: help to stay the course

>

>

>

>

> Rodney,

>

> Although we don't discuss the Zone diet here much, the Zone

> macronutrient ratios of 30:30:40 (P:F:C) are a natural result of

> decreasing empty calories, generally carbohydrates, from the standard

> American diet (USDA) which advocates 15:30:55 (P:F:C) and has helped

> Americans become the fattest people in the world. The Zone diet is

> discussed more frequently in the Calorie Restriction Society.

>

> The higher protein ratios of the Zone diet promote the feeling of

> satiety. Some recent work has found that " diets heavy in protein

> spark the production of glucose in the small intestine. That rise in

> glucose, sensed in the liver and relayed to the brain, led the animals

> to eat less " :

>

> http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/how_protein-rich_diets_curb_hunger_9243

> <http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/how_protein-rich_diets_curb_hunger_9243>

>

> Clearly, Calorie Restriction is a procedure that you can apply to any

> diet. You can practice CR using the Zone diet, the USDA diet, or any

> other diet. The question of which diet is optimal for the lower

> calorie intake levels of CR remains unanswered. Each of us has to

> make a bet on what we believe works best for us.

>

> The concept of a " healthy diet " keeps shifting as science advances.

> Harvard has a new food pyramid

> (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/)

> <http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/%29> which emphasizes more

> vegetables and less meat.

>

> Tony

>

>

> > >

> > > AFA I know, the Zone thing is not CRON.

> > > Ch. D.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: mary_lowther <mary_lowther@>

> > >

> <mailto: %40>

> <mailto: %40>

> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:41:27 AM

> > > Subject: [ ] help to stay the course

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I'm new so please bear with me...I've been basically following the

> > > CRON diet for 6 months, and, thanks to the CRON website, got turned

> > > on to Barry Sears' " Zone " books, which are the best nutritional

> > books

> > > I've ever read. Been following his basic diet now for about 4

> > months.

> > >

> > > So. Went to the ophthalmologist yesterday for my three-month check

> > > up as usual because I have an artificial cornea and the eyeball

> > > pressure has been somewhat high. Pressure was down by several

> > points

> > > (after gradually always climbing for the last 10 years since the

> > > implant), in both eyes, and the good doctor doesn't want to see me

> > > for a year or two now. Sure I told him about my diet and he wrote

> > it

> > > in my file. And I have no doubt that it's the reason for improved

> > > pressures.

> > >

> > > I was hoping to find suggestions as to how to stay the course

> > because

> > > I still find it very difficult.

> > >

> > > Thanks for providing a great service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>>The concept of a " healthy diet " keeps shifting as science advances.

Harvard has a new food pyramid

(http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/

<http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/>) which emphasizes more

vegetables and less meat.

While I would agree that the Harvard Food Pyramid has some advantages of

the USDA pyramid, it has some serious errors such as putting vegetables

oils, which are the highest in calorie density and lowest in satiety, at

the bottom food rung. Oil is not a food, nor is it a food group. At

best, it is a condiment and/or seasoning/flavoring.

The Harvard Pyramid is almost an identical pyramid to the Mediterranean

Diet Pyramind which was founded by OldWatys and is heavily sponsored by

the food industry.

You can read the list of the sponsors here...

http://www.oldwayspt.org/sponsors.html

http://www.oldwayspt.org/faq.html

Someday, we will separate " Public Health Initiatives " that are based on

science, from " Advertising and Marketing " that are based on the food

industries bottom lines.

9. Who are some of Oldways' recent sponsors?

Oldways is financially supported through a broad range of a broad range

of sponsorships, memberships, licensing, and projects with associations,

governments, private and public companies and individuals.

Recent support has come from the following organizations:

Almond Board of California; American Italian Pasta Company; Barbara's

Bakery; Barilla; Beverage Institute for Health and Wellness; Bob's Red

Mill; British Columbia Salmon Farmers Association; Buonitalia; Bush's

Beans; California Avocado Commission; Camera di Commercio di Salerno;

ConAgra; Consorzio per la Tutela Dell-Olio Extagergine; Consorzio Terre

di Siena; CoRFiLac; Dell Monte; Dunkin Donuts; ERSAC (Agricultural

Products of Campania); FEDERLOMBARDA; Filippo Berio; Florida Department

of Citrus; Florida Tomato Growers Exchange; Food Match; Frito-Lay;

General Mills; Great Harvest Bread; International Pasta Organization;

Italian Trade Commission; Harvest Time Bread; King Arthur Flour; Kraft

Foods; LeSaffre Yeast; MasterFoods; Mestemacher Bread; National Pasta

Association; National Grain Sorghum Producers; National Starch; Natural

Ovens; Nature's Path; NOAA/NMFS; Pacific States Marine Fisheries

Commission; Panera Bread; Regione Puglia; Regione Sicilia; Roman Meal

Company; Rubschlager Baking Corporation; Rudi's Organic Bakery;

Sanfilippo & Sons; Snyder's of Hanover; South Australia Premier's

Office/South Australia Tourism; Sunnyland Mills; The Hain Celestial

Group; The Peanut Institute; The Quaker Oats Company; Unilever;

Unioncamere Puglia; UNIPI; United States Potato Board; USA Rice

Federation; US Mills; Welch Foods; and Whole Foods Market.

Regards

Jeff

[Guest guest]

Agreed. But the Okinawan Diet and the CRON diet are pretty much synonymous.

> From: Novick <jnovickrd@...>

> Reply-< >

> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:06:10 -0500

> < >

> Subject: Re: [ ] Zone Diet --- Re: help to stay the course

>

>>> As I recall the only ³special² diet that does this (aside from CRON)

> is the Mediterranean Diet, as noted in our files.

>

> And the Okinawan diet.

>

> Also, I have posted some published studies here on criticisms of the

> Zone diet and how it selectively picks and uses literature to support

> its theory.

>

> Regards

> Jeff

>

>

>

>

> Francesca Skelton wrote:

>>

>> Yes but does it lead to better health and longer life? That is the

>> question. Show us the research if it does.

>>

>> As I recall the only ³special² diet that does this (aside from CRON)

>> is the Mediterranean Diet, as noted in our files.

>>

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> *From: *citpeks <citpeks@...>

>> *Reply-*< >

>> *Date: *Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:21:30 -0000

>> **< >

>> *Subject: *[ ] Zone Diet --- Re: help to stay the course

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Rodney,

>>

>> Although we don't discuss the Zone diet here much, the Zone

>> macronutrient ratios of 30:30:40 (P:F:C) are a natural result of

>> decreasing empty calories, generally carbohydrates, from the standard

>> American diet (USDA) which advocates 15:30:55 (P:F:C) and has helped

>> Americans become the fattest people in the world. The Zone diet is

>> discussed more frequently in the Calorie Restriction Society.

>>

>> The higher protein ratios of the Zone diet promote the feeling of

>> satiety. Some recent work has found that " diets heavy in protein

>> spark the production of glucose in the small intestine. That rise in

>> glucose, sensed in the liver and relayed to the brain, led the animals

>> to eat less " :

>>

>> http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/how_protein-rich_diets_curb_hunger_9243

>> <http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/how_protein-rich_diets_curb_hunger_9243>

>>

>> Clearly, Calorie Restriction is a procedure that you can apply to any

>> diet. You can practice CR using the Zone diet, the USDA diet, or any

>> other diet. The question of which diet is optimal for the lower

>> calorie intake levels of CR remains unanswered. Each of us has to

>> make a bet on what we believe works best for us.

>>

>> The concept of a " healthy diet " keeps shifting as science advances.

>> Harvard has a new food pyramid

>> (http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/)

>> <http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/%29> which emphasizes more

>> vegetables and less meat.

>>

>> Tony

>>

>>

>>>>

>>>> AFA I know, the Zone thing is not CRON.

>>>> Ch. D.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> ________________________________

>>>> From: mary_lowther <mary_lowther@>

>>>>

>> <mailto: %40>

>> <mailto: %40>

>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:41:27 AM

>>>> Subject: [ ] help to stay the course

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Hi,

>>>>

>>>> I'm new so please bear with me...I've been basically following the

>>>> CRON diet for 6 months, and, thanks to the CRON website, got turned

>>>> on to Barry Sears' " Zone " books, which are the best nutritional

>>> books

>>>> I've ever read. Been following his basic diet now for about 4

>>> months.

>>>>

>>>> So. Went to the ophthalmologist yesterday for my three-month check

>>>> up as usual because I have an artificial cornea and the eyeball

>>>> pressure has been somewhat high. Pressure was down by several

>>> points

>>>> (after gradually always climbing for the last 10 years since the

>>>> implant), in both eyes, and the good doctor doesn't want to see me

>>>> for a year or two now. Sure I told him about my diet and he wrote

>>> it

>>>> in my file. And I have no doubt that it's the reason for improved

>>>> pressures.

>>>>

>>>> I was hoping to find suggestions as to how to stay the course

>>> because

>>>> I still find it very difficult.

>>>>

>>>> Thanks for providing a great service.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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