Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 Just today on the US National news (NBC) they reported that vitamins do zilch for one’s health. They specifically reported E, C, and selenium that were tested. But previously others have been tested in studies and found not to affect one’s chances of illness. They also said that eating a healthy diet is the best way to stay healthy. Just a word on folic acid – if one is a CRON follower that means plenty of folic acid in your diet already via greens. I am reminded of Jeff’s post a while back about centenarians who were not only old but healthy and vital. Some were found to have vitamin deficiencies. Moral: this may not be an important issue for living a long, healthy life. Since I read this I don’t concern myself with this anymore. Here is Jeff’s post: /message/27065 From: Rodney <perspect1111@...> Reply-< > Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:15:31 -0000 < > Subject: [ ] Re: Supplementation and CRON Hi : 'Supplements' is a very thorny, and very unsettled, issue. As Francesca said, many nutrient supplements, once thought to be beneficial, have now been shown in large studies to, at best, make no difference or, at worst, increase cancer incidence. We all have to make our own decisions about this. FWIW the following is my current approach (but I am quite sure that ten years from now I will not be doing the same! As more studies are published I will adapt accordingly): 1. I have checked, given what I normally eat, what my nutrient deficiencies are. (IMO CRON-o-meter is an excellent free way to do this). Then I supplement the deficient nutrients up to the RDAs. FOR ME this means supplementing calcium and zinc and vitamins D and E. All I need for vitamin E and zinc is one capsule/tablet a week. For calcium and vitamin D I supplement daily. I also take a few other things once a week: an aspirin (for colon cancer prevention), folic acid, chromium and fish oil. I take SMALL quantities of all these things, except vitamin D which I supplement 2000 to 3000 IU per day. As noted earlier, ten years from now I will not be doing the same as we will all know a lot more about this than we do now. Hope this helps provide one perspective of this issue. I would be interested in hearing the perspectives of others, especially if they are different from mine. Rodney. <mailto: %40> , " michaeltatzber " <michaeltatzber@...> wrote: > > I just finished Walfords book (120 ...) and wanted to know if you guys > are still following the recommendations regarding supplements in terms > of amounts and what kind or did something change over the last 10 > years. Does anyone have a list of supplements to take or even products > which you know are of high quality. > > Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 As I reported in my original post on this subject: /message/28043 Note that the only supplements I take are D3 and fish oil. And I only take Vit D in the winter. Although I use sunscreen on my face in the summer, I get plenty of sun on legs and arms in warmer weather. From: citpeks <citpeks@...> Reply-< > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:49:41 -0000 < > Subject: [ ] Re: Supplementation and CRON / healthy centenarians Francesca, Although many vitamins don't seem to do much, it seems that vitamin D is an exception. Because we spend most of our time indoors and lather on sunblock lotions when we go out in the sun to avoid skin cancer, we are very depleted in vitamin D. The following article has a figure that shows that 2000 IU per day of Vitamin D virtually wipes out the incidence of cold/influenza symptoms. Use of vitmain D in clinical practice http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/13/1/6.pdf I looked at Jeff's post which you referenced. He indicated that Okinawans " in spite of their nutrient dense diet, they were short on several nutrients. " One of which was (Vitamin D at 2% RDA). However, from the films that I have seen, traditional Okinawans spent a lot of time outdoors either fishing or cultivating the land. So they got their vitamin D from sun exposure. I think that Rodney, living in Canada where the sun is dimmer, is doing the right thing by supplementing vitamin D. Tony > > Just today on the US National news (NBC) they reported that vitamins do > zilch for one’s health. They specifically reported E, C, and selenium that > were tested. But previously others have been tested in studies and found > not to affect one’s chances of illness. > > They also said that eating a healthy diet is the best way to stay healthy. > > Just a word on folic acid – if one is a CRON follower that means plenty of > folic acid in your diet already via greens. > > I am reminded of Jeff’s post a while back about centenarians who were not > only old but healthy and vital. Some were found to have vitamin > deficiencies. Moral: this may not be an important issue for living a long, > healthy life. Since I read this I don’t concern myself with this anymore. > Here is Jeff’s post: > > /message/27065 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 An additional comment... we have a poorly regulated supplement industry with questionable ethics. In regard to zinc, this just came out today from Consumer Labs.. New Product Review: Zinc Supplements (Pills, Liquids, Lozenges, and Vision Formulas) Zinc supplements have many proven uses. But ConsumerLab.com found that only one out of four zinc lozenges provided the dosage known to reduce the duration and severity of a cold. Only two supplements had the exact formula shown to prevent the progression of macular eye disease. And among general zinc supplements, CL found that one was contaminated with lead. Regards Jeff .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 If known, please post the brands that reduce the severity of colds. And the ones that prevent macular degeneration.. From: Novick <jnovickrd@...> Reply-< > Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:46:57 -0500 < > Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Supplementation and CRON / healthy centenarians An additional comment... we have a poorly regulated supplement industry with questionable ethics. In regard to zinc, this just came out today from Consumer Labs.. New Product Review: Zinc Supplements (Pills, Liquids, Lozenges, and Vision Formulas) Zinc supplements have many proven uses. But ConsumerLab.com found that only one out of four zinc lozenges provided the dosage known to reduce the duration and severity of a cold. Only two supplements had the exact formula shown to prevent the progression of macular eye disease. And among general zinc supplements, CL found that one was contaminated with lead. Regards Jeff .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2008 Report Share Posted December 10, 2008 What CL Found: Aside from one zinc supplement found to be contaminated with lead (discussed further, below) all of the supplements met quality standards. All contained their claimed amounts of zinc and tablet/caplet products were able to properly break apart to release their ingredients. However, there are notable differences among the products that should be considered: Vision supplements Two of the products, Ocuvite Preser-Vision and ICAPS Eye Vitamin AREDS Formula, are both designed to provide the same daily combination of vitamins and minerals shown to be effective in the AREDS study. Ocuvite Preser-Vision is the actual product used in the AREDS trial. ICAPS differs in that its tablets are delayed-release, which the package claims, “dissolve gradually, thereby contributing to a greater absorption by the body, and less stomach upset…” Although the product has probably not been tested to validate this claim, zinc can cause stomach upset and delayed release may benefit some people. Both of these products were also tested, and passed, for their vitamin A content. Natural Vision Care, a liquid “drinkable” supplement, contains many of the same ingredients as the two other vision products but in much lower amounts per suggested 1 ounce daily serving: 15 mg of zinc, 5,000 IU of vitamin A, 60 mg of vitamin C, 30 IU of vitamin E, and 0.6 mg of copper. Natural Vision Care uniquely includes lutein (3 mg) and zeaxanthin (.8 mg), which are anti-oxidant carotenoids found in high concentration in the macula of the eye and may improve vision in people with age-related macular degeneration. As noted in theProduct Review of Lutein and Zeaxanthin Supplements, 10 mg per day of lutein supplementation appears to be a useful dose. Lozenges Among the four lozenges, there was significant variation in the zinc per lozenge (from 5 mg to 23 mg) and the suggested daily serving. Clinical studies that have shown a benefit used products containing 13.3 mg to 23 mg of zinc per lozenge, taken every two hours while awake. Only Cold-Eeze All Natural Cherry suggested a dosage known to be effective for reducing the severity and duration of cold symptoms — 13.3 mg every 2 hours. Sundown Naturals Zinc Lozenges Plus Vitamin C and Echinacea provided 23 mg of zinc per lozenge but advised taking only one to two per day. Sunkist Zinc Throat Lozenges provided only 5 mg of zinc and suggested " 2 - 8 times daily. " Zand Lemon Zinc Herbalozenge, also provided only 5 mg of zinc simply advised " May be repeated as needed. " (See ConsumerTips for information about dosage and safety issues). General zinc pills The zinc pills and liquids generally provided 25 mg to 50 mg of zinc. These amounts are in the correct range for treating zinc deficiencies or providing high dose zinc to potentially treat or prevent various conditions (see Using Zinc in the ConsumerTips section). Francesca Skelton wrote: > > If known, please post the brands that reduce the severity of colds. > And the ones that prevent macular degeneration.. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From: * Novick <jnovickrd@...> > *Reply-*< > > *Date: *Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:46:57 -0500 > **< > > *Subject: *Re: [ ] Re: Supplementation and CRON / healthy > centenarians > > > > > An additional comment... > > we have a poorly regulated supplement industry with questionable > ethics. In regard to zinc, this just came out today from Consumer Labs.. > > New Product Review: Zinc Supplements (Pills, Liquids, Lozenges, and > Vision Formulas) > > Zinc supplements have many proven uses. But ConsumerLab.com found that > only one out of four zinc lozenges provided the dosage known to reduce > the duration and severity of a cold. Only two supplements had the > exact formula shown to prevent the progression of macular eye disease. > And among general zinc supplements, CL found that one was contaminated > with lead. > > > > > Regards > Jeff > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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