Health care

June 15, 2009

Wow Lottie, you really put it out there in plain English! I HAD healthcare until

I was injured on the job, mind you, and once I went on short term disability

that I paid for every 2 weeks out of my check, I lost my heath insurance because

I was unable to pay for it through Cobra. It was more than I was getting on

short term. My husband took insurance out on me through his job but it wouldn't

cover me with the pre-existing problems I was having at the time. Then we

separated for a little over a year so he dropped it on me. I don't blame him for

that, I would have done the same thing if it was in reverse order. Now we are

back together and his insurance won't cover me for CML because it is

pre-existing. What are we supposed to do when we struggle just to make the bills

we have to pay to survive. Who can afford health insurance today when you have

to pay the whole thing. It's bad enough when your employer pays half of it but

you have to do it totally on

your own, it's just impossible. Then you get put in the hospital and have

thousands of dollars in medical bills coming in that you can't pay and sometimes

you wonder why in the world we are in this shape. It sickens me to know that I

may not be able to get the care I need because I can't afford health insurance.

I have had a job of some sort since I was15 years old and now that I am

disabled, I can't work so therefore I can't get health insurance. What am I

supposed to do...just sit here and wait for the good Lord to call me home?

Sometimes I feel like that is my only choice. Everywhere I turn for help here in

TN is a deadend road for me. I can't seem to find anyone willing to take me with

no insurance and low income. All I can do is keep praying that God will open a

door for me somewhere so I can get the care I need. Thanks for posting this, it

helps to just get it off my chest for a change.

Keeping on keeping on,

From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...>

Subject: [ ] Health care

" CML " < >

Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 12:47 AM

Dear Group,

I was asked my opinion on the health plans in a private email. So far I haven't

seen anything comprehensive that I would be comfortable with. Maybe our

Canadian, English, French, Isralei and Australian members could post what kind

of health care they have and voice their own opinion to give us a better grip on

what we think is the most equitable plan.

Whoever said our healthcare system is a train wreck is correct and bankrupt to

boot. We just received a notice that my husband's secondary policy will be over

$200. We are drowning ourselves in medical bills. Some say that we run to

doctors for everything. I don't, I hate going to doctors. While I think everyone

should pay something for health care, I get very upset when I have to go to ER

and the waiting room is filled with families. They can't or don't have someone

to take care of the younger children, so they bring the whole family and it is

chaos; their cell phones ring constantly. The children run around with wheel

chairs and no one corrects them. The vending machines are being emptied of

everything. Where does the money come from to buy junk food?

I would like to see them all replaced with bottles of water and tofu. What about

people who don't take care of their bodies by taking drugs and are brought in on

a stretcher because they have O.D. Do I have to pay for that, too? Yes, I do,

but where do we draw the line? People come to the food banks with cell phones

and demand certain foods and disposible diapers, am I supposed to pay for that,

too? I am tired of paying for goods and services for people who do not want to

help themselves. They expect the government to take care of them from the womb

to the grave.

When I had my babies, there was no insurance and I paid the doctor by the month.

I expected to pay it, it was my duty, I never expected my neighbors to pay for

it any more than they expected me to pay for theirs. Personally I think that is

what is wrong with our health care, there are too many free loaders who could be

working and contributing by paying taxes. Why doesn't the government track down

the fathers of these babies and make them pay for their insurance and upkeep?

I know there are people who have lost their jobs and their insurance. They

deserve to have free health care, as do children through no fault of their own

have parents who can't afford to pay for the high costs of medical insurance,

but go to work every day. These are the exceptions. Also the elderly who never

made enough money to save up for the medical expenses they are incurring today.

Waiters and waitresses are paid below minimum wage, how can they be expected to

pay for expensive health insurance?

Who knew 40 years ago we would be in this quagmire. I'll be darned if I want to

continue to have money taken from my fixed income or my taxes raised to support

people who never worked. I know wealthy people who have 6 figure incomes whose

children are on welfare while they continue to live at home in the lap of luxury

because they are drug addicts. It makes me sick to think of our taxes being

wasted on people who don't want to help themselves. I would like to see someone

who is really minding the store take care of health care, people already in the

business of health care. I don't want some bean counter to tell me what

treatment I can have, when he doesn't have a clue. A health care think tank is

sorely needed.

That's my 2 cents.

Blessings,

Lottie

June 15, 2009

Hello,

I live in Ca.Our state is in a hell of a mess.I have been disabled for about

10 years.I recieve Social Security.My social security benefits have been cut

again for the 2nd time in two months.I recieve $840.00 per month to live on.My

mortgage is $560.00 per month.I can not find housing any cheaper than this.The

state just stopped providing Dental and Vision coverage.I pray nothing else goes

wrong with me.I have many health issues. I can not work or work overtime to make

more income as I am disabled.I am now forced to decide between eating or taking

care of my health.What a wonderful choice.After paying the mortgage I have

$280.00 left to pay for food,car insurance,medicine and utilities.I have no

spouse for a second income or to help me.I am alone..I am so stressed.I am

having daily headaches that are causing nausea.I am not sure if it is CML

related or Gleevec related or just plain stress from my whole situation.I feel

ill so much that I spend 5-6 days a week in bed non functioning.When I go food

shopping I am entiely wipped out for 2-3 days.I need help with house cleaning

and daily cooking.My 61 year old mother comes and takes care of me and my

yardwork.Some days I wonder exactly what it is I am living for.To feel

ill,bedridden daily and no funds to even feed myself anymore.Hell I read here

how 80 year olds have a way more active/productive life than me at age 41.I'm

just one more person all you tax paying individuals have to pay for..So sorry

but I have no other choice.

It makes me sick to watch the news.I hear how Obama spent 35,000 for take his

wife on a date.That is more than 3 YEARS worth of income for me.I am faced with

food or health care..What's wrong with this picture?I think it's wonderful if

you have been blessed with a great job,family,life etc that allows for such

things but others are not s blessed.I suppose I should be grateful to have a

roof over my head as many don't even have that much.I may not for long if things

keep getting cut.I see no hope,no future and really no reason to occupy space

and expect my monthly handout each month.

I hope others here are not faced with these type issues.May you all be of the

blessed population.

Thanks

SharonS

In , " Lottie Duthu " <lotajam@...> wrote:

>

> Dear Group,

> I was asked my opinion on the health plans in a private email. So far I

haven't seen anything comprehensive that I would be comfortable with. Maybe our

Canadian, English, French, Isralei and Australian members could post what kind

of health care they have and voice their own opinion to give us a better grip on

what we think is the most equitable plan.

>

> Whoever said our healthcare system is a train wreck is correct and bankrupt to

boot. We just received a notice that my husband's secondary policy will be over

$200. We are drowning ourselves in medical bills. Some say that we run to

doctors for everything. I don't, I hate going to doctors. While I think

everyone should pay something for health care, I get very upset when I have to

go to ER and the waiting room is filled with families. They can't or don't have

someone to take care of the younger children, so they bring the whole family and

it is chaos; their cell phones ring constantly. The children run around with

wheel chairs and no one corrects them. The vending machines are being emptied

of everything. Where does the money come from to buy junk food?

>

> I would like to see them all replaced with bottles of water and tofu. What

about people who don't take care of their bodies by taking drugs and are brought

in on a stretcher because they have O.D. Do I have to pay for that, too? Yes, I

do, but where do we draw the line? People come to the food banks with cell

phones and demand certain foods and disposible diapers, am I supposed to pay for

that, too? I am tired of paying for goods and services for people who do not

want to help themselves. They expect the government to take care of them from

the womb to the grave.

>

> When I had my babies, there was no insurance and I paid the doctor by the

month. I expected to pay it, it was my duty, I never expected my neighbors to

pay for it any more than they expected me to pay for theirs. Personally I think

that is what is wrong with our health care, there are too many free loaders who

could be working and contributing by paying taxes. Why doesn't the government

track down the fathers of these babies and make them pay for their insurance and

upkeep?

>

> I know there are people who have lost their jobs and their insurance. They

deserve to have free health care, as do children through no fault of their own

have parents who can't afford to pay for the high costs of medical insurance,

but go to work every day. These are the exceptions. Also the elderly who never

made enough money to save up for the medical expenses they are incurring today.

Waiters and waitresses are paid below minimum wage, how can they be expected to

pay for expensive health insurance?

>

> Who knew 40 years ago we would be in this quagmire. I'll be darned if I want

to continue to have money taken from my fixed income or my taxes raised to

support people who never worked. I know wealthy people who have 6 figure incomes

whose children are on welfare while they continue to live at home in the lap of

luxury because they are drug addicts. It makes me sick to think of our taxes

being wasted on people who don't want to help themselves. I would like to see

someone who is really minding the store take care of health care, people already

in the business of health care. I don't want some bean counter to tell me what

treatment I can have, when he doesn't have a clue. A health care think tank is

sorely needed.

> That's my 2 cents.

> Blessings,

> Lottie

>

June 15, 2009

I really think the private vs public insurance is not the core of the

problem. As long as a 3h hospital stay with just an iv is charged

~$18,000, or a drug company can blackmail cancer patients into

charging their pills ~$4000 to $8000 a month when they paid their

investment 10 times over, I can't see the problem going away.

I am all for free market but like the mad subprime scam this isn't

free market in my book.

Marcos.

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 7:20 PM,

<wendyphillips54@...> wrote:

>

> Wow Lottie, you really put it out there in plain English! I HAD healthcare

> until I was injured on the job, mind you, and once I went on short term

> disability that I paid for every 2 weeks out of my check, I lost my heath

> insurance because I was unable to pay for it through Cobra. It was more than

> I was getting on short term. My husband took insurance out on me through his

> job but it wouldn't cover me with the pre-existing problems I was having at

> the time. Then we separated for a little over a year so he dropped it on me.

> I don't blame him for that, I would have done the same thing if it was in

> reverse order. Now we are back together and his insurance won't cover me for

> CML because it is pre-existing. What are we supposed to do when we struggle

> just to make the bills we have to pay to survive. Who can afford health

> insurance today when you have to pay the whole thing. It's bad enough when

> your employer pays half of it but you have to do it totally on

> your own, it's just impossible. Then you get put in the hospital and have

> thousands of dollars in medical bills coming in that you can't pay and

> sometimes you wonder why in the world we are in this shape. It sickens me to

> know that I may not be able to get the care I need because I can't afford

> health insurance. I have had a job of some sort since I was15 years old and

> now that I am disabled, I can't work so therefore I can't get health

> insurance. What am I supposed to do...just sit here and wait for the good

> Lord to call me home? Sometimes I feel like that is my only choice.

> Everywhere I turn for help here in TN is a deadend road for me. I can't seem

> to find anyone willing to take me with no insurance and low income. All I

> can do is keep praying that God will open a door for me somewhere so I can

> get the care I need. Thanks for posting this, it helps to just get it off my

> chest for a change.

>

> Keeping on keeping on,

>

> From: Lottie Duthu <lotajam@...>

> Subject: [ ] Health care

> " CML " < >

> Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 12:47 AM

>

> Dear Group,

> I was asked my opinion on the health plans in a private email. So far I

> haven't seen anything comprehensive that I would be comfortable with. Maybe

> our Canadian, English, French, Isralei and Australian members could post

> what kind of health care they have and voice their own opinion to give us a

> better grip on what we think is the most equitable plan.

>

> Whoever said our healthcare system is a train wreck is correct and bankrupt

> to boot. We just received a notice that my husband's secondary policy will

> be over $200. We are drowning ourselves in medical bills. Some say that we

> run to doctors for everything. I don't, I hate going to doctors. While I

> think everyone should pay something for health care, I get very upset when I

> have to go to ER and the waiting room is filled with families. They can't or

> don't have someone to take care of the younger children, so they bring the

> whole family and it is chaos; their cell phones ring constantly. The

> children run around with wheel chairs and no one corrects them. The vending

> machines are being emptied of everything. Where does the money come from to

> buy junk food?

>

> I would like to see them all replaced with bottles of water and tofu. What

> about people who don't take care of their bodies by taking drugs and are

> brought in on a stretcher because they have O.D. Do I have to pay for that,

> too? Yes, I do, but where do we draw the line? People come to the food banks

> with cell phones and demand certain foods and disposible diapers, am I

> supposed to pay for that, too? I am tired of paying for goods and services

> for people who do not want to help themselves. They expect the government to

> take care of them from the womb to the grave.

>

> When I had my babies, there was no insurance and I paid the doctor by the

> month. I expected to pay it, it was my duty, I never expected my neighbors

> to pay for it any more than they expected me to pay for theirs. Personally I

> think that is what is wrong with our health care, there are too many free

> loaders who could be working and contributing by paying taxes. Why doesn't

> the government track down the fathers of these babies and make them pay for

> their insurance and upkeep?

>

> I know there are people who have lost their jobs and their insurance. They

> deserve to have free health care, as do children through no fault of their

> own have parents who can't afford to pay for the high costs of medical

> insurance, but go to work every day. These are the exceptions. Also the

> elderly who never made enough money to save up for the medical expenses they

> are incurring today. Waiters and waitresses are paid below minimum wage, how

> can they be expected to pay for expensive health insurance?

>

> Who knew 40 years ago we would be in this quagmire. I'll be darned if I want

> to continue to have money taken from my fixed income or my taxes raised to

> support people who never worked. I know wealthy people who have 6 figure

> incomes whose children are on welfare while they continue to live at home in

> the lap of luxury because they are drug addicts. It makes me sick to think

> of our taxes being wasted on people who don't want to help themselves. I

> would like to see someone who is really minding the store take care of

> health care, people already in the business of health care. I don't want

> some bean counter to tell me what treatment I can have, when he doesn't have

> a clue. A health care think tank is sorely needed.

> That's my 2 cents.

> Blessings,

> Lottie

>

June 15, 2009

It is an awful predicament to be in, Sharon, and I am outraged on your behalf.

The state just keeps whack, whack, whacking away at those who can afford it the

least. Something has got to change!

From: serenitywon@...

Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:06:02 +0000

Subject: [ ] Re: Health care