Vitamin B12

[Guest guest]

We are doing B-12 shots every other day and are seeing improvements. It is

such a tiny shot that we dont even use EMLA cream. It takes about 1 second to

do it. I tried one myself when I had shingles and it doesnt hurt at all.

karen

[Guest guest]

Is there such a thing as a B complex shot that would contain all the essential B

vitamins plus the B12?

Thanks, Sharon

[ ] Vitamin B12

Vitamin B12 - metal disturbs transport!Dear Listmates:

Though many of you have seen this article (originally kindly sent by someone?

on the list, thanks!!) in light of all the good things happening with B12 in our

kids now, I think it should circulate again. I am recommending two injections a

week for the 1st two weeks, then one a week as long as it shows benefit. I

encourage parents to give their kids the 1000mcg of oral methylcobalamin every

day in addition to and continuing after the series of injections - especially

important if you can't do the injections. Adequate folic is essential also as

well as the B-vitamins generally, and especially B1 (our allithiamine) and

Omega-3's, and B12 like everything else works better accompanied by the

transdermal glutathione. Thanks to Dr. Neubrander for first alerting me to the

value of this new weapon in our arsenal. Since there is no good way to measure

the adequacy of B12 in the body, and it is non-toxic, it is worth a try in our

kids with trouble secreting metals. The injectable form must be ordered from a

compounding pharmacy by a physician and is sent in syringes ready for the

parents to give; the oral form (and it must be the methylated form) is readily

available (I use Thorne's). ((Please do not send me private e-mails or specific

requests for info re your child's treatment - I will try to answer general

questions on the list that may benefit others if possible when I know something

and have time. Thanks!)) Jaquelyn----- Original Message -----

From: JMcCandless

Vitamin B12

- metals disturb transport!

The administration of relatively high doses of vitamin B12, in the form

of methylcobalamin, in the treatment of fibromyalgia, diabetics, Multiple

Sclerosis and amalgam-related disorders has been gradually increasing in Sweden

since the end of the 80's. The results are remarkable...

Essential for blood formation and rapidly growing tissues, vitamin B12

is mainly present in animal food. A healthy person requires approximately 3-5 ug

of vitamin B12 per day, the amount usually available in a normal diet. For

strict vegetarians, however, blue-green algae and bean sprouts are suitable

sources.

The human body normally contains approx. 5000-10000 ug of vitamin B12,

equally distributed in the liver and the nervous system. Due to the presence of

the cobalt atom (trace element), vitamin B12 is also called cobalamin.

Anaemia

Vitamin B12 deficiencies have been mainly related to blood deficiency

diseases, such as macrocytos and pernicious aneamia. First described in 1855,

the latter was usually lethal. The connection with cobalamin was not established

until after vitamin B12 was first isolated in 1948. (As early as 1926, however,

it was found that raw liver, which later proved to be rich in vitamin B12, could

effectively cure anaemia).

Causes and Symptoms

Deficiencies can be caused by low intestinal B12 uptake (intestinal

disorders), low intrinsic factor (a substance essential for its transport to the

blood) in the stomach, deficiency of hydrochloric acid in the gastric juices

(increasing with old age), regular use of laxatives or medicines like Losec (for

treatment of peptic ulcer), low uptake in the central nervous system (CNS) or

excessive B12 degradation. Lack of calcium in the food can also reduce the

uptake and so can heavy metals.

Vitamin B12 deficiencies are followed by neurological and psychological

disorders, such as disturbed sense of co-ordination, paraesthesiae, loss of

memory, abnormal reflexes, weakness, loss of muscle strength, exhaustion,

confusion, low self-confidence, spacticity, incontinence, impaired vision,

abnormal gait, frequent need to pass water, psychological deviances.

Non-anaemic deficiencies

Lately it has been discovered that anaemia is not always present in

neurogical and psychological disturbances associated with B12 deficiencies. In

diseases such as Alzheimer's and suspected amalgam-related disorders, hidden B12

deficiencies in the CNS (without low blood values) have been found.

The transport of vitamin B12 to the brain can be disturbed or

interrupted by heavy metals such as inorganic mercury, which affects the

blood-brain barrier by causing leakage and hampering the active transport of

nutrients. Exposure to laughing gas (N2O), commonly given to women in labour,

causes similar B12 deficiencies in the brain of the infant, and sometimes in

mothers with low B12 levels (and the anaesthetist). When used as a sedative in

connection with an operation, the gas can cause irreparable damage in an

individual with B12 deficiency.

Non-anaemic vitamin B12 deficiencies also play a role in diseases like

Multiple Sclerosis, Fibromyalgia, Diabetes and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

Schizophrenia, a psychotic condition, has been successfully treated with B12

injections in combination with other supplements. There also seems to be a

connection between B12 deficiencies and cardiovascular diseases

In the 1950's, it was common practice to treat a patient with the first

signs of herpes zoster with a vitamin B12 injection which effectively reversed

the symptoms. This knowledge has fallen into oblivion. Ongoing research will

most probably further increase the area of use of vitamin B12.

Test methods

Rarely detectable through normal testing procedures, such as blood serum

or methyl malonic acid, B12 deficiencies in the brain and CNS can be determined

by checking " increased homocystein in LIQUOR " , (liquor cerebrospinalis)*, the

most appropriate test method.

*) In rare cases, mainly very young patients, side-effects such as

headaches may occur. It is therefore recommended to drink water and rest

immediately after the spinal test.

If the blood serum B12 value is low, it can be expected that the B12 in

the CNS is even lower. If B12 in methyl malonic acid is elevated while the serum

value is normal, there are probably B12 deficiencies at a cellular level.

The LIQUOR-test method is rather complicated. Ordinary equipment can be

used, but at the Uddevalla Hospital in Sweden, the method of analysis has been

especially designed for the purpose. According to Dr. Bo Nilsson, Chief

Physician, it is important to measure with an exactness of 1 pmol/L**. The

secret is to extract the minute quantity of B12 available without changing the

molecule.

**) One thousand of a millionth of a millionth mol per litre, which

makes one millionth of a millionth of a gram/litre.

However, many amalgam patients use the trial-and-error method, and

initiate the treatment without previous testing.

High doses

It has been suggested that in the presence of heavy metals the cobalt

atom is oxidized from CO2+ to CO3+ (denaturation) at the same time as the heavy

metal is reduced. The properties of the cobalamin are hypothetically changed and

B12 has lost its biological properties. Due to its molecular size, B12 normally

has difficulties in crossing the blood-brain barrier and it is possible that

denaturation make this even more difficult. This process is analogous to the

behaviour of laughing gas.

One of the advocates of this hypothesis is Dr. Britt Ahlrot-Westerlund

in Stockholm. The reason why high doses are recommended is that, in the presence

of heavy metals in the blood-brain-barrier (more specifically in the plexus

chorioideus), most of the vitamin B12 seems to be consumed (for reasons we don't

know) and, depending on the level of heavy metal exposure, part of the

supplemented B12 will most probably also be consumed in this way until the

surplus can be used in the brain where it is needed.

Hg seems to change valency and binding site in the body, and this causes

increased free radical formation. It is possible that the Hg change in valency

in prooxidative direction oxidizes the cobalt atom. There is, according to Dr.

Westerlund, reason to believe that the process of Hg oxidation of the cobalt

atom is analogous to the way in which Fe2+ in haemoglobulin is oxidized to Fe3+

in methaemoglobulin (incapable of releasing oxygen) by exogene toxic substances.

To confirm this, an in vitro investigation using electron spin resonance

is planned at Stockholm University, Department of Biophysics.

Many different forms

The active vitamin comes in many different forms, i.e. methyl-, cyano-,

adnosyl- and hydroxocobalamin, freely transformed into each other in the body.

However, vitamin B12 in the brain and CNS is only present as methylcobalamin,

which effectively transports methyl groups (-CH3) to proteins in the myelin, the

insulating layer which together with fatty acids surrounds the nerve fibers,

protecting them just like insulation on electric cables.

In cases of B12 deficiency, toxic fatty acids with 15-17 carbon atoms

with a demyelinating effect on the myelin are formed, and the transmission of

electrical impulses is disturbed. If enough B12 is supplied, the myelin might be

repaired in the course of time.

Methylcobalamin

The uptake from oral B12 supplementation is usually very low, approx. 1

%. Vitamin B12 is therefore often given intramuscularly.

Although vitamin B12 can be supplemented in any of its forms, it is

given as hydroxo- or sometimes as cyanocobalamin in many countries. In the south

of Europe, however, methylcobalamin is generally used to treat disorders such as

neuritis and polyneuropathia. Highly recommended by the Swedish Association of

Dental Mercury Patients, it is usually the drug of choice for the treatment of

patients with amalgam-induced disorders.

In the experience of Dr. Ahlrot-Westerlund among others, B12 in its

active form, methylcobalamin, gives a much better result than other forms which

have to be transformed into methylcobalamin. It is possible that the process of

transformation itself is inefficient in many patients.

It has been suspected that the supplementation of methylcobalamin in the

presence of mercury could lead to the formation of methyl mercury. Inorganic

mercury steals methyl groups from methylcobalamin, and methyl mercury is formed.

However, methyl mercury is not more toxic than inorganic in mercury and the

positive effects of B12 supplementation in this form seem to outweigh the

possible disadvantages.

Preservatives

Methylcobalamin should be obtained with dry substance and liquid packed

separately to increase the shelf life. The preparation should be kept in the

dark stored at a temperature below 25 degees C and used within a year. (Premixed

preparations, on the other hand, should be kept in a refrigerator).

Many of the vitamin B12 preparations on the market contain preservatives

which can cause problems in sensitive patients. However, the methylcobalamin

available under the product names " Algobaz " from Portugal or " Cobamet " produced

by a French company (Roussel) also in Portugal do not.

The corresponding Japanese preparation, Esai's Mecobal, contains only

0.5 mg B12. According to Dr. Bo Nilsson, it is probable that, given daily, the

transport between the blood-brain barrier is saturated even by such a small

dose. In Dr. Ahlrot-Westerlund's opinion, however, methylcobalamin for patients

with metal-induced disorders should be given daily intramuscularly* in doses of

10 mg with 8 x 5 mg oral folic acid and 300 mg vitamin B6 for 6 days a week

until a positive effect is achieved and then continued until no further peak is

achieved. This can take as long as 1/2-1 year or perhaps even longer. The dose

should then be gradually diminished (given every other day for example).

*) given subcutaneously, the B12 treatment is, according to Dr.

Westerlund, not as effective.

Multiple deficiencies

In many cases it can be assumed that multiple deficiencies, not always

easily separable, are present. For example, lack of folic acid can also cause

anaemia and its supplementation can mask a B12 deficiency. Therefore it is

important that both vitamins are supplied, and to some extent also the other

vitamins in the B-complex. Some of the symptoms of B12 deficiency are also

present in B1 deficiency** and both deficiencies can be present at the same

time.

**) diagnosed by testing thiamin pyrimydine phosphate in serum

(expensive)

For a successful recovery from amalgam-poisoning among other disorders,

the importance of additional supplementation of essential fatty acids (fish oil

etc.) and anti-oxidants should be emphasized.

Some addresses and prices: Methylcobalamin: The two recommended

preparations are of equal quality. Both can be ordered from a pharmacy in

Lisbon, phone number: +351 1 342 3821. Ask for the head pharmacist,

Augusta. Since the preparation is prescription free, it can also easily be

obtained during a trip to Portugal. However it should be ordered at least one

week ahead.

B12 testing: Uddevalla Hospital in Sweden fax No: +46 522 93101

Test facilities available at the cost of SEK 130:- for B12, 200:- for

homocystein and 200:- for methylmalonic acid (MMA). 1 USD is approx. 7 SEK.

According to the Charing Cross & Westminster Medical School, B12 Unit,

Dr. Bhatt, there are " a handful " of laboratories worldwide, specialized in

vitamin B12 testing. For further information: Tel: +44 (0)181 746 8625, Fax

No.:+44 (0)181 746 8860

Kauppi (with thanks to Dr. Westerlund for her kind assistance)

References:

Cees J.H./van Tiggelen. Alzheimers Disease/Alcohol Dementia: Association

with Zinc Deficiency and Cerebral vitamin B12 Deficiency. J. of Orthomolecular

Psychiatry, 1983, vol 13, No. 2, 97-104.

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transfer of methylmercury and p-mercurybenzoate from macromolecules to low

molecule weigth thiol compounds. Toxicology 10, 1978, 115-122.

Gran B. B12 i hög dos vid neuropsykiatriska symtom hos misstänkt

amalgamsjuka patienter. Swedish Medical Journal, 1994.

Hanson M. Vitamin B12, TF-bladet, 4-1992.

Ideda T. et al. Vitamin B12 levels in serum and cerbrospinal fluid of

people with Alzheimer's disease. Acta-Psychatr. Scand 1990, 82:337-329

Lind/Friberg/Nylander. Demethylation of mercury in brain, National

Institute of Environmental Medicine and Dept. of Environmental Hygiene,

Presented at the First Meeting of the International Society for Trace Element

Research in humans, Palm Springs, Dec. 8-12, 1986.

Lindenbaum J. et al. Neuropsychiatric disorders caused by cobalamin

deficiency in the absence of anemia or macrocytos. The new England Journal of

Medicine, June 30, 1988

Metz J. Cobalamin Deficiency and the pathogensis of Nervous System

Disease. Ann Ren Nub., 1992, 12:59-79.

Mottet K. et al. Effects of Methylmercury Exposure in Primates,

Presented at the First Meeting of the International Society for Trace Element

Research in humans, Palm Springs, Dec. 8-12, 1986.

Mörnstad H/Norberg B. Paradigmskifte för bedömning och behandling av

vitamin B12-brist, Swedish Dental Journal, nr 1 1994.

Patridge W. Inorganic mercury; selective effects on blood-brain barrier

transport systems. J. of Neurochemistry, 1976, No/27: 333-335.

Reynalds E.H. Multiple Sclerosis and vitamin B12 metabolism. J. of

Neuroimmunol. 40 (1992): 225-230.

Rochelle et al. Interactions between Hydroxocobalamin and Nitric Oxide

(NO): Evidence for Redox Reaction between NO and Reduced Cobalamin and

Reversible NO Binding to Oxidized Cobalamin, 1995, Journal of Pharm. and Exp.

Terapheutics, vol 275, 1995, No. 1: 48-52.

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[Guest guest]

I have been talking B-12 injections for 9 months to help with nerve pain. I have noticed it doesn't seem to help much, but I read (of course that is just one website's opinion) that the B-12 injections are good for

people with MS and so I continue it. Annette

[Guest guest]

I was self-injecting 1,000 mg of B-12

weekly for about a year. It did not seem to help so I discontinued but I

am taking a 100mg tablet under the tongue on a daily basis because it makes my

wife happy…and I like to keep her happy.

Bob

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Vitamin B12

I've been doing a lot of research into vitamin B12 - does anyone on

this site take it and/or have any input for

me? My daughter is a

vegetarian and has ms - the doctor doesn't seem

too concerned but I am

really thinking it could help her. Anyone

out there have anything to

tell me about it?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> do you know if the Methylcobalamin B12 from Jarrow is good? It

> says " Suitable for Vegetarians "

> Ingrediants just say: Methylcobalamin. I want to order it because my

> vegetarian son won't take animal products and I'm 63 so NEEEEEEED it.

I've used it before, and it seems helpful.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Thanks

On Apr 2, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Masterjohn wrote:

> Hi ,

>

>> do you know if the Methylcobalamin B12 from Jarrow is good? It

>> says " Suitable for Vegetarians "

>> Ingrediants just say: Methylcobalamin. I want to order it because my

>> vegetarian son won't take animal products and I'm 63 so NEEEEEEED it.

>

> I've used it before, and it seems helpful.

>

> Chris

>

Parashis

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portfolio pages:

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[Guest guest]

--- In , Parashis <artpages@...>

wrote:

>

My favorite way to supplement with B12 is the B12 patch.

From their website: " Most multivitamin pills only contain 100-200 mcg of the

cyanocobalamin form of B12. This must then be converted to methylcobalamin or

adenosylcobalamin before it can be used by the body. The actual absorption of

B12 is a

serious problem with oral supplements. Swallowing 500 mcg of Vitamin B12 can

result in

absorption of as little as 1.8 mcg, so most oral supplements do not provide an

adequate daily

intake "

http://www.b12patch.com/

I've had great success with it.

K.

[Guest guest]

I read recently that it is best to avoid cyanocobalamin, as it is a

cheap, dangerous version. The " cyano " means cyanide.

> >

> My favorite way to supplement with B12 is the B12 patch.

>

> From their website: " Most multivitamin pills only contain 100-200

mcg of the

> cyanocobalamin form of B12. This must then be converted to

[Guest guest]

On 4/2/08, rumkat74 <rumkat74@...> wrote:

> I read recently that it is best to avoid cyanocobalamin, as it is a

> cheap, dangerous version. The " cyano " means cyanide.

It isn't very dangerous, but it is probably close to useless. B12 is

used to detoxify cyanide and excrete it in the urine. So I would

imagine most cyanocobalamin gets excreted in the urine. It probably

only releases cyanide to the extent you have the capacity to detoxify

it by other means. So, you're not going to get cyanide toxicity from

it, but it's still a stupid supplement to use.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You asked about Jarrow's B12. I worked in the supplement industry for

several years. Jarrow has a very good reputation for quality and for their

outstanding formulas. Also, the owner is known to go to bat to keep alternative

health standards high.

When a product says " Suitable for vegetarians " it means the company did not use

any porcine or other animal product in the making of the capsule, or the

contents within the capsule.

Methylcobalamin is a much more bioavailable form of B12 than it's less expensive

counterpart Cyanocobalamin.

Good choice.

<><

[Guest guest]

But is it more effective than the sublingual? Jarrow's is so much

cheaper.

On Apr 2, 2008, at 5:14 PM, chriskjezp wrote:

> My favorite way to supplement with B12 is the B12 patch.

>

> From their website: " Most multivitamin pills only contain 100-200 mcg

> of the

> cyanocobalamin form of B12. This must then be converted to

> methylcobalamin or

> adenosylcobalamin before it can be used by the body. The actual

> absorption of B12 is a

> serious problem with oral supplements. Swallowing 500 mcg of Vitamin

> B12 can result in

> absorption of as little as 1.8 mcg, so most oral supplements do not

> provide an adequate daily

> intake "

>

> http://www.b12patch.com/

>

> I've had great success with it.

>

> K.

Parashis

artpages@...

portfolio pages:

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http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

[Guest guest]

That's right. I ordered the Methylcobalamin B12 by Jarrow from iHerb.

Am interested in the patch though. Wish I knew which absorbed better

and was the best brand.

On Apr 2, 2008, at 6:19 PM, rumkat74 wrote:

> I read recently that it is best to avoid cyanocobalamin, as it is a

> cheap, dangerous version. The " cyano " means cyanide.

Parashis

artpages@...

portfolio pages:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11468108@N08/

http://www.artpagesonline.com/EPportfolio/000portfolio.html

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Colyn<>< " <jadegarden96@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi ,

> You asked about Jarrow's B12. I worked in the supplement industry for

several

years. Jarrow has a very good reputation for quality and for their outstanding

formulas.

Also, the owner is known to go to bat to keep alternative health standards high.

>

> When a product says " Suitable for vegetarians " it means the company did not

use any

porcine or other animal product in the making of the capsule, or the contents

within the

capsule.

>

> Methylcobalamin is a much more bioavailable form of B12 than it's less

expensive

counterpart Cyanocobalamin.

>

> Good choice.

>

> <><

>

>

[Guest guest]

Forgot to mention that Pure Encapsulations is a very good company that never

uses binders

or fillers in their products. They have a B12 liquid (natural glycerin base)

that looks good. I

use them almost exclusively for supplements. More expensive, but worth it.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Chris-

> Forgot to mention that Pure Encapsulations is a very good company

> that never uses binders

> or fillers in their products

Not exactly true. They use " natural plant cellulose " in most of their

supplements, which is to say wood fiber, I think from pine trees.

> They have a B12 liquid (natural glycerin base) that looks good. I

> use them almost exclusively for supplements. More expensive, but

> worth it.

Their B12 liquid doesn't have any wood fiber in it, but it does have

stevia and sodium benzoate, the former of which depresses testosterone

and the latter of which damages mitochondrial DNA, contributes to

Parkinson's, formes benzene in the presence of vitamin C, and so on.

-

[Guest guest]

> Not exactly true. They use " natural plant cellulose " in most of their

> supplements, which is to say wood fiber, I think from pine trees.

Tanks for bringing this to my attention. But surely wood fiber is better than

hydrogenated

cottonseed oil? Is there a company you know of that uses absolutely no fillers

or binders

at all? Dr. Ron's comes to mind, but the number of formulas/supplements they

sell is

pretty limited.

>

> Their B12 liquid doesn't have any wood fiber in it, but it does have

> stevia and sodium benzoate, the former of which depresses testosterone

> and the latter of which damages mitochondrial DNA, contributes to

> Parkinson's, formes benzene in the presence of vitamin C, and so on.

Again, thanks for pointing this out. I wasn't aware of the harmful effects of

sodium

benzoate. I was aware of the stevia-testosterone connection, but I wonder if

the amount

present in 1 ml of liquid would have any appreciable effect on testosterone

production at

all. Do know the answer to this?

Chris

>

[Guest guest]

Chris-

> Tanks for bringing this to my attention. But surely wood fiber is

> better than hydrogenated

> cottonseed oil?

I suppose it depends. Is the cottonseed oil fully hydrogenated? Are

there any trans fatty acids present? Are there heavy metal residues?

How much oil is there per capsule? Does the person looking for a B12

supplement have digestive problems that would be aggravated by wood

fiber? Etc. All else being equal, I'd guess that the wood fiber is

less bad for most people, but not necessarily for everyone.

> Is there a company you know of that uses absolutely no fillers or

> binders

> at all? Dr. Ron's comes to mind, but the number of formulas/

> supplements they sell is

> pretty limited.

Even Ron effectively uses fillers in at least some of his supplements,

and having done some of my own capping for a couple years now, I have

some sympathy for companies which use fillers and binders. It's

extremely hard to measure out precise doses of supplements into

standard-sized capsules. Mix X amount of a supplement with Y amount

of a filler to yield Z amount of material, where Z is calculated to be

the exact amount of material that an automated encapsulating system

will put into a capsule of a particular size, though, and all your

process problems are solved.'

If you want to avoid all undesirable added ingredients, the only

solution available is often to purchase a supplement in bulk form,

usually as a powder which you can then cap, mix or consume plain as

you please.

I'm not up on all the methylcobalamin options out there at present

because I bought some pure methylcobalamin from a pharmaceutical

supply company awhile back, but that's probably not an option most

people would (or could) consider.

> Again, thanks for pointing this out. I wasn't aware of the harmful

> effects of sodium

> benzoate. I was aware of the stevia-testosterone connection, but I

> wonder if the amount

> present in 1 ml of liquid would have any appreciable effect on

> testosterone production at

> all. Do know the answer to this?

No, unfortunately I don't. It's probably not profound... but perhaps

some people are significantly more sensitive to it than others. As to

the benzoate, though, it would be best to avoid all sources as fully

as possible.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi

What dosage of the Jarrow brand of B12 did you use that was helpful?

Pamela

>

> Hi ,

>

> > do you know if the Methylcobalamin B12 from Jarrow is good? It

> > says " Suitable for Vegetarians "

> > Ingrediants just say: Methylcobalamin. I want to order it because my

> > vegetarian son won't take animal products and I'm 63 so NEEEEEEED it.

>

> I've used it before, and it seems helpful.

>

> Chris

>

[Guest guest]

--- Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

> I'm not up on all the methylcobalamin options out there at present

> because I bought some pure methylcobalamin from a pharmaceutical

> supply company awhile back, but that's probably not an option most

> people would (or could) consider.

, why not just eat clams if you want more vitamin B12? I can see

avoiding clams from polluted waters, but otherwise this should be a

good option for health.

[Guest guest]

-

> , why not just eat clams if you want more vitamin B12? I can see

> avoiding clams from polluted waters, but otherwise this should be a

> good option for health.

Two reasons. Good clams cost too many clams, and I'm virtually

positive that the asthma medication that knocked out my production of

stomach acid also knocked out my production of intrinsic factor,

meaning that dietary doses of B12 aren't adequate. I think only about

1% is absorbed via diffusion, so people like me need pharmaceutical

doses.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What brand and dose of B12 do you take?

Pamela

Idol <Idol@...> wrote: -

> , why not just eat clams if you want more vitamin B12? I can see

> avoiding clams from polluted waters, but otherwise this should be a

> good option for health.

Two reasons. Good clams cost too many clams, and I'm virtually

positive that the asthma medication that knocked out my production of

stomach acid also knocked out my production of intrinsic factor,

meaning that dietary doses of B12 aren't adequate. I think only about

1% is absorbed via diffusion, so people like me need pharmaceutical

doses.

-

[Guest guest]

Pamela-

It's not a brand. I bought pure bulk methylcobalamin from a

pharmaceutical supply company.

-

> What brand and dose of B12 do you take?

[Guest guest]

> Even Ron effectively uses fillers in at least some of his supplements,

I know we've had this conversation before, but he doesn't really use

fillers. I know you mentioned his CoQ10 with tocotrienols from rice bran,

but I think the tocotrienols are included for a specific nutritional reason

as opposed to being used as a filler. Perhaps it could be more accurately

described as an " additive " as opposed to " filler " but not an additive in the

sense of the word in the way it's usually used.

Other than that product, the only other supplements with additives I can

think of that he has, are some of the newer formulas that contain bioprene -

an extract of black pepper that's supposed to aid in absorption, I think.

90+ percent of his supps contain nothing that can be considered either a

binder or additive, even a beneficial one.

Suze

[Guest guest]

,

Why buy from a pharmaceutical supply company? Does it come powdered and how

much do you use daily?

Would you recommend this way of supplementing B12? I

Pamela

Idol <Idol@...> wrote: Pamela-

It's not a brand. I bought pure bulk methylcobalamin from a

pharmaceutical supply company.

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> What brand and dose of B12 do you take?

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > Even Ron effectively uses fillers in at least some of his supplements,

>

> I know we've had this conversation before, but he doesn't really use

> fillers. I know you mentioned his CoQ10 with tocotrienols from rice bran,

> but I think the tocotrienols are included for a specific nutritional reason

> as opposed to being used as a filler. Perhaps it could be more accurately

> described as an " additive " as opposed to " filler " but not an additive in the

> sense of the word in the way it's usually used.

>

> Other than that product, the only other supplements with additives I can

> think of that he has, are some of the newer formulas that contain bioprene -

> an extract of black pepper that's supposed to aid in absorption, I think.

> 90+ percent of his supps contain nothing that can be considered either a

> binder or additive, even a beneficial one.

>

> Suze

That's correct. The vast majority of his supplements simply list " gelatin

capsule " as the

only other ingredient.

K.