Prostate Cancer

[Guest guest]

Hi, Jim.

There are lots of supplements available that may help. But by

themselves they will likely avail you little.

If you wish to make real, significant progress against a diagnosis of

prostate cancer, you need, in my opinion, to examine the totality of

your life to see where you need to make real, significant, even

sometimes wholesale changes in your life. To me, the C in cancer

stands for CHANGE.

Are you overweight? You need to lose the excess pounds.

Are you sedentary? You need to be begin doing REGULAR, moderate

exercise.

Do you have significant, negative stress in your life? You need to

see how you can eliminate or lower it.

Do you get sufficient, regular sleep, and do you go to bed at a

decent hour? If not, you need to start doing so/

Is the room in which you sleep sufficiently dark so as to allow your

body to go through its necessary healing/rebuilding process while you

sleep? If not, you need to get black-out curtains and otherwise

darken your sleeping area.

Do you eat plenty of whole vegetables and fruits?

Do you drink an ounce of water per pound of body weight daily, or

even close to it?

Do you get sunshine and fresh air daily?

Do you do fulfilling, satisfying work, or are you dissatisfied with

your occupation? If the latter, you may need to change jobs.

Or maybe you're retired. Are your days fulfilling? Maybe you need to

do some volunteer work.

The above, in my opinion, are likely to be more important than any

supplements you may take.

You may wish to go to the flaxoil2 group, where you can learn

about the Budwig Protocol, which has apparently helped quite a few

men to live alternatively with prostate cancer. Cliff Beckwith, a

wonderful man who only recently died in his 80's, lived many years

with prostate cancer on the Budwig Protocol. The Budwig Protocol

includes many of the things I have mentioned above.

Best wishes,

Elliot

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi, Jim.

>

> There are lots of supplements available that may help. But by

> themselves they will likely avail you little.

>

> If you wish to make real, significant progress against a diagnosis

of

> prostate cancer, you need, in my opinion, to examine the totality

of

> your life to see where you need to make real, significant, even

> sometimes wholesale changes in your life. To me, the C in cancer

> stands for CHANGE.

>

> Are you overweight? You need to lose the excess pounds.

> Are you sedentary? You need to be begin doing REGULAR, moderate

> exercise.

> Do you have significant, negative stress in your life? You need to

> see how you can eliminate or lower it.

> Do you get sufficient, regular sleep, and do you go to bed at a

> decent hour? If not, you need to start doing so/

> Is the room in which you sleep sufficiently dark so as to allow

your

> body to go through its necessary healing/rebuilding process while

you

> sleep? If not, you need to get black-out curtains and otherwise

> darken your sleeping area.

> Do you eat plenty of whole vegetables and fruits?

> Do you drink an ounce of water per pound of body weight daily, or

> even close to it?

> Do you get sunshine and fresh air daily?

> Do you do fulfilling, satisfying work, or are you dissatisfied

with

> your occupation? If the latter, you may need to change jobs.

> Or maybe you're retired. Are your days fulfilling? Maybe you need

to

> do some volunteer work.

>

> The above, in my opinion, are likely to be more important than any

> supplements you may take.

>

> You may wish to go to the flaxoil2 group, where you can

learn

> about the Budwig Protocol, which has apparently helped quite a few

> men to live alternatively with prostate cancer. Cliff Beckwith, a

> wonderful man who only recently died in his 80's, lived many years

> with prostate cancer on the Budwig Protocol. The Budwig Protocol

> includes many of the things I have mentioned above.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Elliot

Elliot,

Well stated concerning your comments to Jim re: prostate cancer.

Bill

>

[Guest guest]

You might look at the following book: Prostate Health in 90 Days by

Larry Clapp, Ph.D., J.D. In this book he describes various steps to

get rid of prostate cancer which he effectively utilized. He describes

supplements but also detoxing which is essential. One thing he

describes is the albumin level roughly as follows:

With an albumin level of over 4.4 one does not get cancer. Although

albumin decreases with advancing age (around 3.0 level) it is possible

to raise your albumin level. A 70 year old raised his level from 3.4

to over 5.0. Albumin shots do not work, however it is possible to

raise albumin in spite of that. Here's a quote from his book:

Albumin is assembled in the liver from more than 500 amino acids. The

most abundant protein in the bloodstream, albumin has many important

duties. It:

• Protects easily damaged tissues from the free radicals that can

destroy cells and cause cancer by altering cellular DNA.

• Guards against heart disease by transporting the antioxidant

vitamins that help keep the coronary arteries clean, binding up fatty

acids that tend to clog arteries and stabilizing the ratio between HDL

( " good " cholesterol) and LDL ( " bad " cholesterol).

• Binds up waste products, toxins, and dangerous drugs that would

otherwise damage the body and encourage disease. It also detoxifies

the fluids surrounding cells.

• Protects the biological terrain by buffering the blood against pH

changes.

• Helps to keep the blood flowing smoothly by preventing red blood

cells and other substances from clumping together.

• Is essential for transporting vitamins, magnesium, copper, zinc,

bilirubin, uric acid, sex hormones, thyroid hormone, other hormones,

and fatty acids throughout the body. It regulates the movement of

nutrients between the blood and the body's cells.

• Stabilizes red blood cells and growth hormones.

• Plays a major role in controlling the precise amount of water in

various bodily tissues.

• Plays an important role in transporting and circulating reservoirs

of thyroid hormones.

• Purifies the cerebrospinal fluid, nourishes brain cells, and

maintains the blood-brain barrier.

• Helps to ensure that there are adequate amounts of certain key

minerals in the bones.

• Binds and transports the " stress hormone " known as cortisol,

reducing stress-induced damage to the thymus gland, brain, and

connective tissue.

Albumin has been described as a " portable liver " because the liver is

the body's chief mechanism for disarming toxins and other dangerous

substances, and because albumin, which is made in the liver, does the

same throughout the body. It's as if the liver has sent millions of

tiny pieces of itself to every single little cell, to round up and

destroy harmful substances and organisms.

Although overlooked by conventional medicine blood serum albumin

levels are the single most important indicator of health.

jpking@... wrote:

Please advise if you have used natural supplements to treat prostate

cancer

successfully. I would like to know what supplements you took to help

you, or

you have knowledge that you would like to share.

Thank you.

Jim

>

[Guest guest]

It is what we put in our mouth, and on our body. Read the labels.

Alkalize the body. Dark green leafy vegetables. No chicken. No Processed

foods. Detox. Find a natural Doctor. Use Hydogen peroxide and magnesium in

hot bath water. Cleanse the colon. Watch the PH.

Do Ion foot cleanses.

Prostate cancer can be particularly slow growing. A vegan diet can turn many

cases around. The body can heal itself.

Avoid MSG and Aspartame like the plague. Google these together.

Dennis

[Guest guest]

Dear Dan,

I feel sure quite a few members will respond to you with support and

good advice. Here is mine:

1) If you are terribly upset, calm yourself. Getting stressed and

panicky will do you no good, and could cause harm. You already have

some very good ideas/good plans. You need to carry them out and while

doing so, to stress yourself as little as possible. If it helps you

to take 20 minutes or so out of your day to quietly meditate, just

concentrating on your breathing with your eyes closed, perhaps, then

do so. Know that cancer is NOT a death sentence. Not at all.

2) The fact that you never suspected there was any cancer is

encouraging, as far as I am concerned, because it appears to mean you

are relatively healthy.

3) The raw diet sounds okay, but please make sure you do a WELL-

BALANCED raw diet, and that you CHEW SLOWLY and WELL, so that you get

as much nutrition as possible out of what you are eating. You might

consider the Budwig Protocol. The man who ran the flaxoil2

group up until less than a year ago was diagnosed with prostate

cancer, and he lived, I believe, into his middle or late 80's. I am

not sure fasting is a good idea. How much you weigh is a factor to

consider: are you obese, overweight, normal weight or underweight? If

you are normal or underweight, fasting is not a good way to go.

4) If you are healthy and able, getting and using a soft-bounce

rebounder for at least 20 minutes a day is an excellent idea. Nothing

cleanses and pumps the lymphatic system like rebounding.

5) Please KNOW that the very fact that you have decided to TAKE

CONTROL of YOUR OWN TREATMENT is already sending a positive signal to

your immune system, that taking control and starting to do something

is THE FIRST STEP TOWARD RECOVERY. Calm yourself, develop a plan,

carry it out faithfully, and I would be surprised if you do not begin

to see the results you desire.

Best wishes and best of health,

Elliot

3:16

[Guest guest]

Gleason 3+3 gives you some hope that the cancer might still be in the gland,

although a PSA of 16 is too high to call it <early stage>.

Start with Larry Clapp. read his book. Doing his regimen might still help you. I

cant remember what his reco on diet is, but dr. Snuffy Meyers, probably the

foremost authority on PCa and diet in the country, eats no meat and next to no

fat. Watch your PSA. Measure it monthly. If the PSA goes up, your doc has to

know the velocity with which it is doing that, it's called PSA doubling time.

If the natural detox (ongoing), diet, exercise, proteolytic enzymes, and herbs

(like Carnivora or pomegranate (powder, not juice)) do not work and you have to

take refuge to allopathy, the earlier you hit the cancer the better.

As regards allopathic treatments, you will find many sites and support groups on

the net, which are specialized. This group is not one of them.

Good luck and be watchful

[Guest guest]

That's a large loss of weight. I think one or two pounds per week is

considered a healthy weight loss. It took me two years to lose 47

pounds when I switched to a vegetarian raw food diet.

However, many people do have a profound loss of weight the first month

and then even out.

Congratulations on changing diets.

ar

[Guest guest]

>

> I have a question.

> I have begun a dedicated Alkaline Diet mostly organic.

> In the space of one month I have lost close to 30 pounds.

> I am doing the Trypsin and Chymotrypsin as well as all of the

> Wobenzym N ones and am doing the Pomegrante Capsules, Flaxseed

> Oil, Cranberry Capsules, Ultra Blue Green Algae Capsules, Organic

> Plain Yogurt, Organic Qatmeal, Organic Apple Cider, Plenty of

> Vegetable Juices , Salads and Raw Vegetables.

> PH as of October 7 was 5.5

> NO Meats, Fish, Poultry.

>

> Is this a normal situation when switching to this type of diet?

>

> Dan

Yes! Your weight loss is consistant with the alkaline diet. I am on pH

therapy which includes cesium chloride, pancreatic enzymes and

alkaline diet.

A surgical emergency prevented me from eating for about a week. I lost

50lbs in about a month.

My weight stablized at about 145 lbs on alkaline diet. I am no longer

losing weight. Your weight will stablize on this diet as well.

It's funny... I get complements on how trim and healthy I look now...

and I have cancer. Well, the cancer is healing quickly now.

[Guest guest]

Elaine and Arylin,

The Doctor that I last saw got real worried about me going off on a " Herbal

Diet "

as He called it.

Well the food tastes fine to me and I get filled up fine just the same.

He kept insistance that I since I was a 6 out of 10 on the Cancer Scale

that I should just go and get the surgery.

I have decided the diet way instead.

I have had NO treatments of any kind as yet and I do NOT intend to go there

Dan.

----- Original Message -----

From: Elaine Gallant

" wd8pcu " <wd8pcu@...> wrote:

> I have begun a dedicated Alkaline Diet mostly organic.

> In the space of one month I have lost close to 30 pounds.

> I am doing the Trypsin and Chymotrypsin as well as all of the

> Wobenzym N ones and am doing the Pomegrante Capsules, Flaxseed

> Oil, Cranberry Capsules, Ultra Blue Green Algae Capsules, Organic

> Plain Yogurt, Organic Qatmeal, Organic Apple Cider, Plenty of

> Vegetable Juices , Salads and Raw Vegetables.

> PH as of October 7 was 5.5

> NO Meats, Fish, Poultry.

> Is this a normal situation when switching to this type of diet?

> Dan

Yes! Your weight loss is consistant with the alkaline diet. I am on pH therapy

which includes cesium chloride, pancreatic enzymes and

alkaline diet.

A surgical emergency prevented me from eating for about a week. I lost 50lbs

in about a month.My weight stablized at about 145 lbs on alkaline diet. I am no

longer losing weight. Your weight will stablize on this diet as well.

It's funny... I get complements on how trim and healthy I look now... and I

have cancer. Well, the cancer is healing quickly now.

[Guest guest]

Dan,

The treatment you choose is up to you. People are so afraid when we

talk about " natural " " holistic " or " herbal. " The important thing is

that you believe in your decision.

My doctor told me that if someone wants to go the natural route and is

forced into the conventional route, the conventional route often won't

work because half the battle is believing in yourself and the route you

choose.

People thought I was crazy when I went veg raw. My doctors went

ballistic (this was many years before cancer). For sure I would get

sick. Instead, I got healthy. I no longer needed doctors.

My best to you.

ar

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 10:03:09 -0700, " wd8pcu " <wd8pcu@...> said:

> Elaine and Arylin,

>

> The Doctor that I last saw got real worried about me going off on a

> " Herbal Diet "

> as He called it.

> Well the food tastes fine to me and I get filled up fine just the same.

> He kept insistance that I since I was a 6 out of 10 on the Cancer Scale

> that I should just go and get the surgery.

> I have decided the diet way instead.

> I have had NO treatments of any kind as yet and I do NOT intend to go

> there

> Dan.

[Guest guest]

>

> Dan,

>

> The treatment you choose is up to you. People are so afraid when

we

> talk about " natural " " holistic " or " herbal. " The important thing

is

> that you believe in your decision.

Here's a very good page about curing cancer. Everything stated here

is good advice, and should be taken seriously.

http://www.energygrid.com/health/cancer-cure.html

> My doctor told me that if someone wants to go the natural route

and is

> forced into the conventional route, the conventional route often

won't

> work because half the battle is believing in yourself and the

route you

> choose.

Actually, conventional treatment has a TERRIBLE track record. People

don't recover on it because it usually just plain doesn't work. Or

rarely works. Or if it appears to work, the cancer comes back later.

My understanding of prostate cancer is it's a very slow growing

cancer. People live longer, better lives if they do nothing at all

rather than going with a conventional prostate cancer treatment.

[Guest guest]

When my wife and became vegetarian---mainly vegetarian, with just a

bit of occasional animal protein, it took me quite a few meals before

I could feel I'd eaten a satisfying meal, even though it didn't

include any animal protein. My body was saying " That was a good

appetizer and first course, now when is the MAIN course coming? " But

I adjusted, after a while, to where I felt full and satisfied after a

meatless meal. (It helps to keep in mind that there are tremendous

numbers of people in this world who NEVER have the chance to eat till

they're full and satisfied.)

Then, when we went to mainly raw vegan, my body would say, " Okay, the

cold stuff was okay, but when is the hot stuff going to be served? " I

pretty well got past that, but still eat some cooked food.

My wife is doing a better job of eating raw, though she's only been

completely raw for about two weeks. Still, over the last 9 months or

so, she's lost over 25 pounds. She's got plenty more to go, but is

delighted and excited to finally be losing significant weight. She is

also faithfully exercising at least 30 minutes a day.

Elliot

3:16

[Guest guest]

Wow, that really stinks.  Never give up my friend.  Hmmm, First of all, what I

would do if it were me..........Drink the heck out of D-Mannose mixed in pure

water and see what that does for the infection.  Look into it, it's all over the

web. I've used it myself and had the family use it too. Ecoli sticks/clings

to the D-Mannose instead of your bladder lining.  Tastes good too. -

From: wd8pcu

....I have been unable to work for 6 weeks.

This as a result of the Doctor running the Camera into

my bladder. Had a major fever after that. Followed by

an Acute Ecoli Infection in the Urinary Tract.

Now I have an unstable pulse rate; that soars to over 120

when I exert my self ever so slightly followed with fainting spells.

Family Doctor says I cannot work. I am on my 5th Catheter NOW as every time that

they remove it my bladder stops emptying.

Urologist says " Ahhhhhhhhh go ahead and work EXCEPT we will not be

able to do any Surgery for the Cancer NOW because of the Infection and the

Unstable Pulse Rate because you would DIE on the operating table " ....What a

Deal?

Dan

[Guest guest]

You don't mention that you've been following any alternative regime. Suggest you

go to flaxseedoil2 group and do some reading.

wd8pcu wrote:

Well gang it sure looks like I have really stepped in

a mess of it this time.

I have been unable to work for 6 weeks.

This as a result of the Doctor running the Camera into

my bladder. Had a major fever after that. Followed by

an Acute Ecoli Infection in the Urinary Tract.

[Guest guest]

Dan

It seems as though you also need to see a lawyer about this. What

the doc did was just wrong. He must not have sterilized the

equiptment. Anyway it is his fault and he needs to take care of it

and accept the responsibility.

Hopefully, you are doing some protocols as this group suggests.

Best wishes

GB

[Guest guest]

Dan

Are you drinking cranberry juice without white sugar?

GB

[Guest guest]

Well, Dan, much as I know it will stress you and your family further,

it looks to me as if you need to consult an attorney skilled in

malpractice suits. At the very least, a letter from such an attorney

should scare the urologist into telling the insurance company you have

been at least temporarily disabled.

I am sorry to say it, but THIS is what I mean about urologists. They

are, in general, the WORST MD's of all, in my experience.

So sorry to hear of your predicament. There may be a slow, steady way

out, over time, but right now, if the urologist is being an

uncooperative rat, he needs a little help from a malpractice attorney,

in my opinion, to get him to see the light.

Best wishes,

Elliot

3:16

[Guest guest]

Good idea about the D-Mannose, . There is also cranberry juice

concentrate, available at any health food store, and beet juice. Both

are excellent for bladder infections. I remembered just now that ever

since I had a cystoscopy, what Dan called running a camera up into the

bladder, I have had dribbling after I urinate. Thanks, doc.

Reminds me of a " joke " an intelligent, compassionate anesthesiologist

once told me. She said an assistant of hers was trying to force a tube

up the nose of a person who had been sedated. The anesthesiologist said

to the assistant: " My momma always told me not to try to force anything

worth more than 50 dollars. " The assistant replied, " But doctor, this

tubing didn't cost more than 50 dollars. " To which the anesthesiologist

replied, " No, but the patient did! "

Elliot

3:16

[Guest guest]

Guru,

That is exactly what I am in the process of working on right now.

Hopefully the Lawyer will win this case soon.

Dan

From: Guru K

Dan

It seems as though you also need to see a lawyer about this. What

the doc did was just wrong. He must not have sterilized the

equiptment. Anyway it is his fault and he needs to take care of it

and accept the responsibility.

Hopefully, you are doing some protocols as this group suggests.

Best wishes

GB

[Guest guest]

YES

From: Guru K

Dan

Are you drinking cranberry juice without white sugar?

GB

[Guest guest]

I hope it turns out well for you.

GB

>

> Guru,

>

> That is exactly what I am in the process of working on right now.

> Hopefully the Lawyer will win this case soon.

> Dan

>

> From: Guru K

>

> Dan

> It seems as though you also need to see a lawyer about this. What

> the doc did was just wrong. He must not have sterilized the

> equiptment. Anyway it is his fault and he needs to take care of it

> and accept the responsibility.

> Hopefully, you are doing some protocols as this group suggests.

> Best wishes

> GB

>

[Guest guest]

The numbers will rise before they fall. Does that make sense?

It is something to watch for though and your father should never stop the

treatment. The numbers will fall.

Johanne

From: modest613

Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 7:53 AM

Subject: [ ] prostate cancer

my father was diagnosed with prostate cancer did an treatment i went a

way and then the numbers rose does anyone know of a natural treatment

to help???

[Guest guest]

There is a good site. Cancertutor.com that has alot of good information.

>

> my father was diagnosed with prostate cancer did an treatment i went a

> way and then the numbers rose does anyone know of a natural treatment

> to help???

>

[Guest guest]

Pau-D-Arco herb is good for cancer. They have a treatment in Mexico that is

suppose to help with the Prostate. They use sound waves to destroy the cancer.

It is expensive but they have credit method to pay for the procedure. I wish I

had gone with the sound waves.

thanks

modest613 wrote:

my father was diagnosed with prostate cancer did an treatment i went a

way and then the numbers rose does anyone know of a natural treatment

to help???

[Guest guest]

Will you please provide contact information on the wave treatment?

b22252@... writes:

...They have a treatment in Mexico that is suppose to help with the Prostate.

They use sound waves to destroy the cancer.

It is expensive but they have credit method to pay for the procedure. I wish I

had gone with the sound waves.