Fish/poultry eaters live the longest (was:Re: Forks Over Knives)

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Also: we’ve discussed T. Colin quite a bit here in the past. Not without controversy. is not entirely objective; he’s an “animal rights” supporter.

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On 3/5/11 9:18 PM, " Francesca Skelton " <fskelton@...> wrote:

Vegetarians and vegans don’t live any longer than health conscious meat eaters. We’ve been over this before and it’s all in our files. Poultry and fish eaters have the edge in longevity: /message/28298

On 3/5/11 8:34 PM, " Al Pater " <old542000@...> wrote:“Forks Over Knives” sounds like a pretty decent film.

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/03/03/vegan-on-the-silver-screen/?hpt=C2

http://letthemeatmeat.com/post/1569918890/movie-review-forks-over-knives

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The facts are the facts. And that’s what we in this group do – we post the facts – as they become available. We prefer not to espouse any particular “religion” ;-) here such as vegetarian or veganism - unless the facts speak otherwise, and they don’t.

There does seem to be “magic” in fish and even poultry. Al Pater, the original poster on this thread, has posted about the “magic” in fish. Read the archives and files.

Personally I eat more than an “ounce” of poultry or fish when I’m eating such foods.

On 3/6/11 1:28 PM, " grudendon " <grudendon@...> wrote:

A " health conscious meat eater " is little more than an individual that greatly limits consumption of even the leanest cuts of meat. Not that far off from those of us that eat only a plant-based diet. Each agrees the healthier approach is to severely restrict meat consumption. We are closer than farther apart.

What magical " longevity " nutrient could an ounce of meat provide that a plant can't provide or a small supplement? We pretty much know what is in meat, it's the plants that we're still finding the " magic " (ie, wonderful new health giving biocompounds).

I have given up meat long ago, the additional saturated fat, cholesterol and AGE compounds are not worth the tradeoff (for ME.)

“Forks Over

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Dr. Zheng Ji (6 May 1900 – 29 July 2010) died at an age of 110. He was not a vegetarian

or vegan. He was once the oldest professor in the world. When he was alive, he took a cup of milk and an egg daily. Please visit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Ji_(biochemist)Many thanks and best regards,New Sun2011-03-07From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...>support group < >Sent:

Monday, 7 March 2011 02:52:42Subject: Re: Fish/poultry eaters live the longest (was:Re: [ ] Forks Over Knives)

The facts are the facts. And that’s what we in this group do – we post the facts – as they become available. We prefer not to espouse any particular “religion†;-) here such as vegetarian or veganism - unless the facts speak otherwise, and they don’t.

There does seem to be “magic†in fish and even poultry. Al Pater, the original poster on this thread, has posted about the “magic†in fish. Read the archives and files.

Personally I eat more than an “ounce†of poultry or fish when I’m eating such foods.

On 3/6/11 1:28 PM, "grudendon" <grudendon@...> wrote:

A "health conscious meat eater" is little more than an individual that greatly limits consumption of even the leanest cuts of meat. Not that far off from those of us that eat only a plant-based diet. Each agrees the healthier approach is to severely restrict meat consumption. We are closer than farther apart.

What magical "longevity" nutrient could an ounce of meat provide that a plant can't provide or a small supplement? We pretty much know what is in meat, it's the plants that we're still finding the "magic" (ie, wonderful new health giving biocompounds).

I have given up meat long ago, the additional saturated fat, cholesterol and AGE compounds are not worth the tradeoff (for ME.)

“Forks Over

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As Dr Walford tells us, anecdotes are not scientific evidence.

However neither the Okinawan or the Mediterranean diet are vegetarian diets and that does mean something.

On 3/7/11 6:45 AM, " NewSun2030@... " <newsun2030@...> wrote:

Dr. Zheng Ji (6 May 1900 – 29 July 2010) died at an age of 110. He was not a vegetarian or vegan. He was once the oldest professor in the world. When he was alive, he took a cup of milk and an egg daily. Please visit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Ji_(biochemist) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Ji_%28biochemist%29> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Ji_%28biochemist%29>

Many thanks and best regards,

New Sun

2011-03-07

From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...>

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Sent: Monday, 7 March 2011 02:52:42

Subject: Re: Fish/poultry eaters live the longest (was:Re: [ ] Forks Over Knives)

The facts are the facts. And that’s what we in this group do – we post the facts – as they become available. We prefer not to espouse any particular “religion” ;-) here such as vegetarian or veganism - unless the facts speak otherwise, and they don’t.

There does seem to be “magic” in fish and even poultry. Al Pater, the original poster on this thread, has posted about the “magic” in fish. Read the archives and files.

Personally I eat more than an “ounce” of poultry or fish when I’m eating such foods.

On 3/6/11 1:28 PM, " grudendon " <grudendon@...> wrote:

A " health conscious meat eater " is little more than an individual that greatly limits consumption of even the leanest cuts of meat. Not that far off from those of us that eat only a plant-based diet. Each agrees the healthier approach is to severely restrict meat consumption. We are closer than farther apart.

What magical " longevity " nutrient could an ounce of meat provide that a plant can't provide or a small supplement? We pretty much know what is in meat, it's the plants that we're still finding the " magic " (ie, wonderful new health giving biocompounds).

I have given up meat long ago, the additional saturated fat, cholesterol and AGE compounds are not worth the tradeoff (for ME.)

“Forks Over

> Knives” sounds like a pretty decent film.

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> > http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/03/03/vegan-on-the-silver-screen/?hpt=C2

> > http://letthemeatmeat.com/post/1569918890/movie-review-forks-over-knives

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From: "NewSun2030@..." newsun2030@...

Dr. Zheng Ji (6 May 1900 – 29 July 2010) died at an age of 110. He was not a vegetarian or vegan. He was once the oldest professor in the world. When he was alive, he took a cup of milk and an egg daily. Please visit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Ji_(biochemist)

Nice thing about Wikipedia:

1. Tell a story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Ji_(biochemist)

"Zheng Ji (Chinese: 郑集) (6 May 1900 – 29 July 2010)"

2. Say that the story is a lie:

"See also

List of verified supercentenarians who died in 2010 "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_verified_supercentenarians_who_died_in_2010

-- Aalt Pater

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If you search on " Fontana " in our messages, you will find quite a bit of

discussion on Fontana and his work. His work is very exciting.

Still, as the quote you posted states,he finds " protein intake is more important

than calorie intake in modulating circulating IGF-1

concentration in humans " . Yes, IGF-1 levels appear to be an important factor

linked to longevity, particularly because they offer protection against

inflammation. He hasn't yet shown that this offers life extension.

The body is a very complicated biochemical system. Fontana is going about his

research methodically. I have faith that he will tease out the important

factors in longevity. But his work is far from complete, and it remains to be

seen if what he finds will lead to life extension in humans.

Diane

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I believe that the study on fish and telemeres is more recent that Fontana’s work:

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The methionine theory is controversial. It’s all in our files (which are required here!). There is conflicting evidence including one study that methionine may prevent pancreatic cancer.

On 3/10/11 1:25 AM, " Diane W " <dianepwalter@...> wroteIf you search on " Fontana " in our messages, you will find quite a bit of discussion on Fontana and his work. His work is very exciting.

Still, as the quote you posted states,he finds " protein intake is more important than calorie intake in modulating circulating IGF-1

concentration in humans " . Yes, IGF-1 levels appear to be an important factor linked to longevity, particularly because they offer protection against inflammation. He hasn't yet shown that this offers life extension.

The body is a very complicated biochemical system. Fontana is going about his research methodically. I have faith that he will tease out the important factors in longevity. But his work is far from complete, and it remains to be seen if what he finds will lead to life extension in humans.

Diane

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Also, the most compelling evidence to date, as far as I’m concerned, are the very long human “experiments” of the Okinawans and the Mediterranean peoples. Those “experiments” show that up to now, their diets, eaten over long periods of time by actual large human populations are superior AFA longevity and health.

Read Walford and all our files and links.

On 3/10/11 8:09 AM, " Francesca Skelton " <fskelton@...> wrote:

I believe that the study on fish and telemeres is more recent that Fontana’s work:

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The methionine theory is controversial. It’s all in our files (which are required here!). There is conflicting evidence including one study that methionine may prevent pancreatic cancer.

On 3/10/11 1:25 AM, " Diane W " <dianepwalter@...> wroteIf you search on " Fontana " in our messages, you will find quite a bit of discussion on Fontana and his work. His work is very exciting.

Still, as the quote you posted states,he finds " protein intake is more important than calorie intake in modulating circulating IGF-1

concentration in humans " . Yes, IGF-1 levels appear to be an important factor linked to longevity, particularly because they offer protection against inflammation. He hasn't yet shown that this offers life extension.

The body is a very complicated biochemical system. Fontana is going about his research methodically. I have faith that he will tease out the important factors in longevity. But his work is far from complete, and it remains to be seen if what he finds will lead to life extension in humans.

Diane

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