Guest guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 I replaced my microwave last year with an infrared toaster oven. It is faster than a regular toaster oven and works in the opposite manner than a microwave. It heats foods quickly by solar heat and unlike microwaves...it makes foods crispy because it cooks from the outside in. ~Nahla > > Thank you for all the previous responses to group members! > Now I'm thinking about alternative for microwave. What will be a safer > way to heat foods, drinks? > Thanks again > Natalia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 An oven, cook top, toaster oven. You'd be surprised after about a week without the microwave, you don't miss it. I haven't used my in 18 months. It still sits in the kitchen because hubby is attached to it I think or maybe it's a power struggle, territorial thing for him. But I don't use it. I don't cook anything in it, nor let my kids eat food other poeple make in it. It actually does not take much longer to heat things up in the oven on glass plates. And all the food tastes so much better. I steam or boil veggies on the stove top. You can use a teakettle or one of those one cup coffee makers to make quick hot water. (though they are usually made of plastic, if avoiding plastic, get a tea kettle) You can take the frozen nuker food out of the plastic packages and heat in on a plate or in a pan in the oven. You might wait 15 min instead of 12, but it tastes better. And the nutrients are still in the food. > > Thank you for all the previous responses to group members! > Now I'm thinking about alternative for microwave. What will be a safer > way to heat foods, drinks? > Thanks again > Natalia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I just use the stove or oven. I wish I could throw my microwave out, but my husband won't let me. Heidi N ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Sneaky...I know but for a greater cause, I " accidentally " broke the latch on ours. LOL- I also have a cousin who has a built-in one and he just opened the cabinet above and unplugged the thing and said it just stopped working to his wife who had no idea about the plug above. lol. -- In , Ambitionn01@... wrote: > > I just use the stove or oven. I wish I could throw my microwave out, but my > husband won't let me. > > Heidi N > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Same here, we have this territorial match going on over the microwave. I keep telling him they are outlawed in Russia, but he doesn't care. He's like a 2 year old and wants instant gratification. Can't wait that whole 5 more minutes for the oven. > > I just use the stove or oven. I wish I could throw my microwave out, but my > husband won't let me. > > Heidi N > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 I am working on sabotaging it, but I suspect he'd buy another one. > > > > I just use the stove or oven. I wish I could throw my microwave > out, but my > > husband won't let me. > > > > Heidi N > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 When my husband asks me how many minutes to heat something, I say, " just a few in a pot on the stove. " :-) We still have a microwave too, but limited usage and I usually try to redirect. When the weather cools down more and the wood stove is going, we will throw the leftovers into the oven with a cover and just let them slowly heat up in there. There is nothing as good as a wood stove meal or reheated leftovers from the wood stove. Boy, don't know why, but it is true. Now, I just can't wait for cold weather again!!! Okay, a wood stove probably is not your option, but really, it is hard to believe how the perception of convenience the microwave has given us is easily overcome by using the regular stove again. P. > > > > > > > Thank you for all the previous responses to group members! > > Now I'm thinking about alternative for microwave. What will be a > safer > > way to heat foods, drinks? > > Thanks again > > Natalia > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 In a message dated 10/18/07 9:08:54 PM Central Daylight Time, paxlforme@... writes: > It actually does not take much longer to heat things up in the oven on > glass plates Will plates not break in the oven? I would like to try this. I have to admit, I use a microwave but if I could just use a plate, that would be fine. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 The plate has to be oven safe, but plate does get hot, be careful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 I have one of those stoves that get people on TV for makeovers. Although its not green, it's from the days that microwaves could fit a sofa in 'em. Plus, it's hooked to my stove. I almost burned it down last Sunday trying to make tea. I turned on the wrong burner (the one that had coconut oil in the pan). Turns out it can catch fire. Luckily 4 of of 5 kids ran outside while my mother tried to smother it with other pans. I immediately grabbed the baking powder and hit the fire with that, which helped, but didn't put it all the way out. I then remembered the baby who was playing in her room. Got her outside (the house was horribly smokey), went back in the kitchen where my husband apparently tried to put the fire out with (drum roll please) water. Made it bigger so I grabbed the bad of flour and finished it off. The whole time our security system was sounding and they were trying to call, so my hubby told me to get the phone. The man on the other end was asking if everything was okay and I was trying to tell him yes, but was coughing too hard, finally got it out, gave him the password and preceded to open all the windows and doors. Thanks God it was 70 degrees that day and not 50 like it has been everyday since. There's my near fire experience. Too bad it wasn't til later that I thought, " I coulda had a new kitchen " I am still trying to recover from being armourless for almost 2 weeks. I think that was my air-head mistake (the fire not the letting it burn new kitchen theory). Guess what, I almost did it again last night, only this time there was no oil in the pan. Gotta start triple checking what I'm doing cause double checking didn't work. cw -- Microwave Google " Microwave dangers " I totally got rid of mine, after my MD told me not be in front of one that was working while pregnant. That made me think... " What??? " Then I did some research, and threw mine away. If I want to heat something up, I do it the old fashioned way...the stove. Food for thought!! Hugs. Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: Venizia, You wrote: > > When you are saying that tupperware type of plastic containers, you > are referring to things like Gladware? Yes. If it does not have an explicit " safe for microwave " on it, don't use it in the microwave. Some of the monomers and plasticizers that stay in the structure at normal temperatures will vaporize under a little heat and diffuse into your food, especially if you get near the melting point. Ceramic would be OK without the label, but not hard plastics. Another issue is nonfood items that get dried in the microwave, such as shoes. You should plan on cleaning if like to use the microwave for other heating needs. We had a real problem with that last year. Our " office " microwave is located right across the hall from a biochem lab. We found that students were warming their e-coli and yeast cultures in the same machine that later warmed leftovers. We moved that machine into the lab and bought the office a new one. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 , You wrote: > Google > " Microwave dangers " ... I tried that. The first three pages were full of absolute nonsense, such as the idea that microwaves change the structure of water molecules. The fourth page was from Harvard Medical School, which said that the first three sites were completely wrong. Radiation at 2.45 GHz does not have sufficient energy to rearrange molecules, except for the ones that would change due to the heat and chemical reactions of cooking anyway. After 25 years as radiation safety officer, I agree with the Harvard Medical School. The possibility of outgassing chemicals from unapproved containers is real. The rest of the supposed hazards are paranoia and unreproducible tests, especially the supposed " radiation " effects. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 My husband was an engineer, and very knowledgeable about rf waves and many other things. He was dead set against radiation in the form of markers, excess xrays, mercury in fillings, etc. He knew, howeve that the rays from the microwave cook the food and that's it. If anyone is concerned about rays escaping from the microwave you can purchase a really cheap detector in any of the kitchen supply stores. Roni Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote: , You wrote: > Google > " Microwave dangers " ... I tried that. The first three pages were full of absolute nonsense, such as the idea that microwaves change the structure of water molecules. The fourth page was from Harvard Medical School, which said that the first three sites were completely wrong. Radiation at 2.45 GHz does not have sufficient energy to rearrange molecules, except for the ones that would change due to the heat and chemical reactions of cooking anyway. After 25 years as radiation safety officer, I agree with the Harvard Medical School. The possibility of outgassing chemicals from unapproved containers is real. The rest of the supposed hazards are paranoia and unreproducible tests, especially the supposed " radiation " effects. Chuck --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 So why is it that microwaves and pacemakers don't get along? cw -- Re: Microwave , You wrote: > Google > " Microwave dangers " ... I tried that. The first three pages were full of absolute nonsense, such as the idea that microwaves change the structure of water molecules. The fourth page was from Harvard Medical School, which said that the first three sites were completely wrong. Radiation at 2.45 GHz does not have sufficient energy to rearrange molecules, except for the ones that would change due to the heat and chemical reactions of cooking anyway. After 25 years as radiation safety officer, I agree with the Harvard Medical School. The possibility of outgassing chemicals from unapproved containers is real. The rest of the supposed hazards are paranoia and unreproducible tests, especially the supposed " radiation " effects. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 --------------------------------- Can a microwave oven cause a pacemaker to malfunction? 02-Aug-2002 --------------------------------- Dear Cecil: I believe the " pacemaker danger " signs people put up around microwave ovens are silly and baseless. Surely they spring from some lawyer worried about a suit. Please tell us the real deal. --Nukem All, Houston Cecil replies: Here at the Straight Dope we speak to the universal human condition. However, we recognize that a large part of our audience consists of baby boomers who, judging from the mail, are getting pretty long in the tooth. Consider the trend in subject matter: '70s. How do I get rid of the aphids in my marijuana plants? '80s. I don't want to boink near as often as I used to. '90s. Kids these days. '00s. Pacemakers. Sure, the pacemaker thing is a little premature. But I understand your feelings, Nuke. No harm being prepared. As you rightly suspect, current medical opinion is that concerns about microwave ovens frying your pacemaker are, if not silly and baseless, certainly exaggerated given the precautions currently taken in manufacturing these devices. " In the early days of microwave ovens and cardiac pacemakers, there was a real possibility that a leaky oven with a significant electromagnetic field being emitted could interfere with operation of a pacemaker with an unshielded lead, " reads one typical bit of advice (Occupational Medicine Forum, Journal of Occupational Medicine, 1992). " Both problems have since been corrected. " The U.S. standard for microwave ovens limits energy leakage to five milliwatts per square centimeter at a distance of five centimeters, and cardiac pacemakers now have shielded leads. But it's no fun being a journalist if you can't scare the pants off people once in a while. I scoured the medical journals for microwave horror stories. Pickings were slim, but I did turn up the following: In 1983 an engineer working at a 275,000-volt electrical substation in the UK felt a thumping sensation in his chest when he was near high-voltage conductors. Experiments established that the electromagnetic field generated by the high voltage was interfering with the man's pacemaker. A 275,000-volt electrical substation presumably generates a stronger electrical field than a microwave oven, and UK power operates at 50 cycles per second, compared to 2.45 billion cycles per second for ovens. But let's not get technical. The lesson is clear: electricity + pacemakers = bad. The proposed solution, incidentally, was to outfit the guy with a geeky whole-body electricity-conducting protective suit that made him look like Nanook of the North. Faced with wearing one of these things on a hot day, or merely being seen in one, I'd be inclined to investigate a different line of work. In 1984 a 51-year-old man wearing a transdermal patch (used to deliver drugs through the skin) was sitting near his mother's microwave oven when she turned it on. The patch, which was on the man's chest, became hot, and before he could pull it off it gave him a second-degree burn. Apparently the oven had been improperly repaired and was leaking microwave energy, which was absorbed by an adhesive strip of aluminized plastic on the patch. OK, a transdermal patch isn't a pacemaker, but we need to look at the big picture. Not that the guy gets any sympathy from me. What's a 51-year-old man doing having his mother make him dinner? Deaf people have been known to pick up CB radio transmissions on their cochlear implants. This is getting pretty far afield even by my standards, so let's leave it at that. The occasional sign stuck on an oven notwithstanding, fears about microwaves have largely subsided in recent years, even among the paranoid element. A more common rant nowadays runs, " Nobody sticks his head inside a microwave oven. But a cellular telephone emits dangerous radiation ONLY MILLIMETERS FROM YOUR BRAIN! " You didn't ask me to delve into that particular can of worms, though, and no way am I going to volunteer. --CECIL ADAMS Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote: So why is it that microwaves and pacemakers don't get along? cw -- Re: Microwave , You wrote: > Google > " Microwave dangers " ... I tried that. The first three pages were full of absolute nonsense, such as the idea that microwaves change the structure of water molecules. The fourth page was from Harvard Medical School, which said that the first three sites were completely wrong. Radiation at 2.45 GHz does not have sufficient energy to rearrange molecules, except for the ones that would change due to the heat and chemical reactions of cooking anyway. After 25 years as radiation safety officer, I agree with the Harvard Medical School. The possibility of outgassing chemicals from unapproved containers is real. The rest of the supposed hazards are paranoia and unreproducible tests, especially the supposed " radiation " effects. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 , You wrote: > Google > " Microwave dangers " ... I tried that. The first three pages were full of absolute nonsense, such as the idea that microwaves change the structure of water molecules. The fourth page was from Harvard Medical School, which said that the first three sites were completely wrong. Radiation at 2.45 GHz does not have sufficient energy to rearrange molecules, except for the ones that would change due to the heat and chemical reactions of cooking anyway. After 25 years as radiation safety officer, I agree with the Harvard Medical School. The possibility of outgassing chemicals from unapproved containers is real. The rest of the supposed hazards are paranoia and unreproducible tests, especially the supposed " radiation " effects. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Crystal, This isn't funny but OMG your telling of it was hilarious! I am so glad everyone is ok.....get on some Armour! You are too funny. Venizia > > I have one of those stoves that get people on TV for makeovers. Although > its not green, it's from the days that microwaves could fit a sofa in 'em. > Plus, it's hooked to my stove. I almost burned it down last Sunday trying > to make tea. I turned on the wrong burner (the one that had coconut oil in > the pan). Turns out it can catch fire. Luckily 4 of of 5 kids ran outside > while my mother tried to smother it with other pans. I immediately grabbed > the baking powder and hit the fire with that, which helped, but didn't put > it all the way out. I then remembered the baby who was playing in her room. > Got her outside (the house was horribly smokey), went back in the kitchen > where my husband apparently tried to put the fire out with (drum roll > please) water. Made it bigger so I grabbed the bad of flour and finished it > off. The whole time our security system was sounding and they were trying > to call, so my hubby told me to get the phone. The man on the other end was > asking if everything was okay and I was trying to tell him yes, but was > coughing too hard, finally got it out, gave him the password and preceded to > open all the windows and doors. Thanks God it was 70 degrees that day and > not 50 like it has been everyday since. There's my near fire experience. > Too bad it wasn't til later that I thought, " I coulda had a new kitchen " > I am still trying to recover from being armourless for almost 2 weeks. I > think that was my air-head mistake (the fire not the letting it burn new > kitchen theory). Guess what, I almost did it again last night, only this > time there was no oil in the pan. Gotta start triple checking what I'm > doing cause double checking didn't work. > cw > > -------Original Message------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Crystal wrote: > > So why is it that microwaves and pacemakers don't get along? > Another myth, or perhaps an historical curiosity. Pacemakers were a concern when the first microwaves came out, because that was when pacemakers were also pretty new. The oven leakage standards have eliminated interference between the two as a possibility. There were two radiative incidents in the 1980s involving pacemakers, one in a high voltage facility and one involving a transdermal patch. I am not aware of any problems with microwave ovens and pacemakers since then. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Roni, You quoted Cecil , > ... In 1983 an engineer working at a 275,000-volt electrical substation in > the UK felt a thumping sensation in his chest when he was near > high-voltage conductors.... > In 1984 a 51-year-old man wearing a transdermal patch (used to deliver > drugs through the skin) was sitting near his mother's microwave oven > when she turned it on. The patch, which was on the man's chest, became > hot, and before he could pull it off it gave him a second-degree burn. > Apparently the oven had been improperly repaired and was leaking > microwave energy, which was absorbed by an adhesive strip of aluminized > plastic on the patch. OK, a transdermal patch isn't a pacemaker, but we > need to look at the big picture.... Yes, those were the two incidents to which I referred. Nothing since. Chuck P.S. Cecil is much funnier than I could ever hope to be, although I sometimes try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 I know, I was rolling reading that! Too much! venizia1948 <nelsonck@...> wrote: Crystal, This isn't funny but OMG your telling of it was hilarious! I am so glad everyone is ok.....get on some Armour! You are too funny. Venizia > > I have one of those stoves that get people on TV for makeovers. Although > its not green, it's from the days that microwaves could fit a sofa in 'em. > Plus, it's hooked to my stove. I almost burned it down last Sunday trying > to make tea. I turned on the wrong burner (the one that had coconut oil in > the pan). Turns out it can catch fire. Luckily 4 of of 5 kids ran outside > while my mother tried to smother it with other pans. I immediately grabbed > the baking powder and hit the fire with that, which helped, but didn't put > it all the way out. I then remembered the baby who was playing in her room. > Got her outside (the house was horribly smokey), went back in the kitchen > where my husband apparently tried to put the fire out with (drum roll > please) water. Made it bigger so I grabbed the bad of flour and finished it > off. The whole time our security system was sounding and they were trying > to call, so my hubby told me to get the phone. The man on the other end was > asking if everything was okay and I was trying to tell him yes, but was > coughing too hard, finally got it out, gave him the password and preceded to > open all the windows and doors. Thanks God it was 70 degrees that day and > not 50 like it has been everyday since. There's my near fire experience. > Too bad it wasn't til later that I thought, " I coulda had a new kitchen " > I am still trying to recover from being armourless for almost 2 weeks. I > think that was my air-head mistake (the fire not the letting it burn new > kitchen theory). Guess what, I almost did it again last night, only this > time there was no oil in the pan. Gotta start triple checking what I'm > doing cause double checking didn't work. > cw > > -------Original Message------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2008 Report Share Posted January 12, 2008 Isn't is great to laugh....what a group. Gotta get ready for " Desperate Housewives " Love that show. Talk to you guys tomorrow. Venizia > > > > I have one of those stoves that get people on TV for makeovers. > Although > > its not green, it's from the days that microwaves could fit a sofa > in 'em. > > Plus, it's hooked to my stove. I almost burned it down last Sunday > trying > > to make tea. I turned on the wrong burner (the one that had coconut > oil in > > the pan). Turns out it can catch fire. Luckily 4 of of 5 kids ran > outside > > while my mother tried to smother it with other pans. I immediately > grabbed > > the baking powder and hit the fire with that, which helped, but > didn't put > > it all the way out. I then remembered the baby who was playing in > her room. > > Got her outside (the house was horribly smokey), went back in the > kitchen > > where my husband apparently tried to put the fire out with (drum roll > > please) water. Made it bigger so I grabbed the bad of flour and > finished it > > off. The whole time our security system was sounding and they were > trying > > to call, so my hubby told me to get the phone. The man on the other > end was > > asking if everything was okay and I was trying to tell him yes, but was > > coughing too hard, finally got it out, gave him the password and > preceded to > > open all the windows and doors. Thanks God it was 70 degrees that > day and > > not 50 like it has been everyday since. There's my near fire > experience. > > Too bad it wasn't til later that I thought, " I coulda had a new > kitchen " > > I am still trying to recover from being armourless for almost 2 > weeks. I > > think that was my air-head mistake (the fire not the letting it burn new > > kitchen theory). Guess what, I almost did it again last night, > only this > > time there was no oil in the pan. Gotta start triple checking what I'm > > doing cause double checking didn't work. > > cw > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 New member here -- am reading the 120 Year Diet. The book, written in 2000, suggests using the microwave. Since then there have been numerous reports that the microwave destroys food enzymes and should not be used to cook anything, as well as reports that say using the microwave is not different than cooking any other way. Do you all use the microwave without worries? Thanks -- your comments will be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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