Coconut Oil

[Guest guest]

>

> It seems they only sell one kind. They talk about different types of

coconut oil and how they are processed, but theirs is Coconut Oil

Supreme, so I'm not sure what you mean by " buying the right kind. "

==>I mean buying a " good " coconut oil that is unrefined. undeoderized,

not using solvents, not heated too high, etc. and expeller pressed. I

couldn't find the actual processing of their coconut oil, whether they

used solvents or not, even though they say it is unrefined, and they

talk a lot about how it is centrifuged - I don't know what kind of

processing that is. Please see the Coconut Oil Folder for the survey

Jackie did on our group, which includes websites and detailed

information about coconut oils.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee, I've read the file on coconut oil. On the FAQ page for

coconutoil-online, it says that it's separated directly from the coconut milk

and never

fermented or heated. Would that be better? (Someone gave me a bottle--that's

why

I'm asking.) Thank you.

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee, I've read the file on coconut oil. On the FAQ page for

> coconutoil-online, it says that it's separated directly from the

coconut milk and never fermented or heated. Would that be better?

(Someone gave me a bottle--that's why I'm asking.) Thank you.

==>, I'm not familiar with only using the coconut milk to make

coconut oil. Usually the meat is pressed to get oil. I cannot see why

your coconut oil wouldn't be okay if it is unrefined, and not

deodorized - can you contact them to verify how it is processed? They

are so vague I can't be sure of what they mean.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Sue wrote:

>

> is coconut milk allowed? that would be refreshing and a nice

addition to the foods allowed.

==>Coconut milk contains sugar, just like coconut cream, coconut flakes

and coconut meat, which also are not allowed.

Is rice milk allowed?

==>No, rice milk, almond milk, etc. are not allowed - rice and nuts are

listed as foods not allowed, even when it is made into a milk.

Processed milks like that also contain bad oils, and other additives.

However, you can make your own egg milk - in the recipe files.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Sue wrote:

>

> I am taking 1/4 tsp of coconut oil 2 x a day and i know i need to

> increase it but can this create die off?

>

> I am sensetive to meds and can at this point take no antifungals so

is it advisable for me to take coconut oil even at this small amount?

==>Yes, CO provides many health benefits, including healing the

stomach, intestines, and strengthening the intestines, along with re-

building all of your body's cells, etc., etc. - see my article and the

Coconut oil Folder for more information on coconut oil's benefits.

>

> I took coconut oil ofor 3 days at 1/2 tsp along with anti fungals

> which had 5 different products in it so that may have created the

> problem.

>

> What is advisable with the coconut oil. also coconut oil has a lot

of fat and calories, how does it help lose weight? that is another

> concern i have with beginning the oil. I have an obsession with

> weight loss.

==>Coconut oil, butter, lard, etc. and other natural god-made fats and

oils do not create body fat. Gaining weight is not about calories,

it's about the kinds of foods, especially high carbs and bad oils and

fats (man-made) contribute to body weight, not " good " fats. The body

creates fat to store toxins away from vital inner organs too. See the

Candida Diet folder for " Taking the Fear out of Eating Fats " article.

==>Sue, maybe you need to buckle down and read my article and other

information in the Files!!! The answers are all there!!

Bee

[Guest guest]

Not sure where you live (that might make a difference) but check out:

www.mountainroseherbs.com

Their unrefined virgin coconut oil is yummy...and very inexpensive compared

to other brands I've tried. I bought two gallons (including shipping) for

what about 90 ounces cost me in my local natural foods store.

Ellen

----- Original Message -----

From: " velvett "

> Could someone recommend a coconut oil and perhaps a place to order it

> from?

[Guest guest]

I use NOW brand and am very pleased with the quality. I buy it from local health

food stores.

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[Guest guest]

I get mine here:

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/

You can get a gallon of expeller pressed for 19

dollars which is a much more reasonable price. 5

gallons for 65 dollars. I also love their facial

products.. look for my previous post on this topic.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- Chanon Starnes <chanonstarnes@...>

wrote:

> Could someone recommend a coconut oil and perhaps a

> place to order it

> from?

>

>

> Hi! I highly recommend the centrifuged virgin

> coconut oil by Wilderness Family Naturals. It runs

> about $64.00 per gallon and lasts me about 5 months.

> They also carry the traditional virgin coconut oil

> that runs a bit less per gallon.

> (www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com)

Website for my son Hunter Hudson, born 10/11/04:

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[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Everyone!

>

> Could someone recommend a coconut oil and perhaps a place to order

it

> from?

>

> Thanks.

>

> ps. Bee what you've done here is remarkable.

> Thank you.

==>Hi. What is your name? Welcome to our group.

Please see the Coconut Oil Folder (in the files on the left-menu at

our Group's website) for many articles, websites, and a survey of

different COs done by our moderator, Jackie.

I'm glad you like the info I provide.

Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>>

> ==>Hi. What is your name? Welcome to our group.

>

> Please see the Coconut Oil Folder (in the files on the left-menu

at

> our Group's website) for many articles, websites, and a survey of

> different COs done by our moderator, Jackie.

>

> I'm glad you like the info I provide.

>

> Bee

>

> >

>

My name is Krystyna

Thank you for the Welcome.

: )

I had followed your food list for 3 months starting around Easter

and it changed my life, or rather it gave it back to me.

I lost my way for a few weeks but I hope to get my head together and

catch on where I left off. Even with the set back I've learned that

this really is what has effective the quality of my life for so long

and I can see just how sensitive my body is to the wrong foods.

Anywho, sorry for the ramble.

It's great to have found this mecca of information.

best

k

[Guest guest]

> My name is Krystyna

> Thank you for the Welcome.

> : )

==>Thanks for your name.

>

> I had followed your food list for 3 months starting around Easter

> and it changed my life, or rather it gave it back to me.

> I lost my way for a few weeks but I hope to get my head together

and catch on where I left off. Even with the set back I've learned

that this really is what has effective the quality of my life for so

long and I can see just how sensitive my body is to the wrong foods.

> Anywho, sorry for the ramble.

==>That's very well done on doing the diet and on learning what is

effective for the quality of your life!!! Very well done.

>

> It's great to have found this mecca of information.

==>Great! It's onward and upward Krystyna!

Bee

[Guest guest]

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>

> How much Coconut oil should we be eating a day to combat Candida?

Hi ,

From Bee's article, " How to Successfully Overcome Candida " :

" The recommended therapeutic dose for candida sufferers or anyone who

is unhealthy is 5-6 tablespoons per day, in divided doses, preferably

with meals that contain protein. "

FYI: Coconut Oil is a powerful anti-fungal and often causes die-off

symptoms so start with a small amount (1/2-1 tsp.) and see how you do.

Build up from there.

jackie

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Emma Davies " <emma@...>

wrote:

>> You can only be allergic to something that contains proteins, and

> coconut oil should be all fat, however that doesn't mean you aren't

> reacting negatively to some chemical in it. I'm reluctant to believe

> in Herxheimer reactions, they're used far to often to excuse bad

> reactions to " treatments " .

>

I'm curious where you got that idea. What about people with

sensitivities to petrochemicals? You should see my kids when we walk

through the perfume area of department stores - their faces look like

raccoons! Or are you differentiating allergies with sensitivities?

Don't sensitivities also cause skin reactions?

[Guest guest]

What's your point? I know I've had chemical sensitivities since I got

lyme. Never had it before. Treating the lyme makes it better. I

still can't figure out why the kids have them except my husband's

family seems to have some sensitivities as well. Could be that or

could be they got a " touch " of lyme as well, or some deficiency in me

because of the lyme triggered it in them.

Herxheimer reactions in the salt/c protocol come in fairly predictable

4 week cycles, with stronger ones every third (i.e. 3 month, 6 month,

9 month). My problems have consistently followed the 4 week pattern,

regardless of what I've eaten or not eaten, and whether I've been to

the perfume dept. or not.

I had a recent return of old symptoms, but it is at the 15th 4 week

cycle. Yesterday it ended and I'm back to feeling very extremely

healthy again. No aches, pains, urinary problems, emotional stuff,

nothing. Gone. It is actually rather exhilerating, because I used to

have 50 of the 75 symptoms on www.canlyme.com, and thought I must be

dying. I had constant headaches, a stiff neck that would never go

away, often wanted to just lie around all day, I even had numb patches

on my skin all over my body! Now I generally feel healthier than the

people around me. My skin glows, my hair shines, and I can (almost)

keep up with my energetic kids all day, not bad for pushing 40!

--- In , " Emma Davies " <emma@...>

wrote:

>> Renate, the fact that your children are sensitive to perfumes is

> further grounds for suspicion that you have chemical intolerances, as

> these problems tend to run in families. So is the fact that large

> amounts of salt are helping with your symptoms. So is the fact that a

> few days ago you mentioned urinary urgency, which is an absolutely

> classic indicator.

>

[Guest guest]

On 9/2/06, Emma Davies <emma@...> wrote:

> You can only be allergic to something that contains proteins,

That's what I always thought, but it's not true. Virtually any large

molecule can act as an antigen. Moreover, very small molecules or

even certain types of atoms can bind to preexisting proteins in the

body and modify their shape so as to make them antigens. So you can

be allergic to virtually everything. (I'm going to guess that fats

don't really count as large molecules in this case, but they aren't

the only thing in an oil and I'm not sure about that anyway.)

> Do you have asthma or eczema running in your family? Does anything

> else you know of give you eczema, make you wheeze, or give you stomach

> ache or migraine?

Well this is really interesting because I do have an eczema problem.

Although I virtually never get headaches, I tried taking Pepto Bismol

once for gut issues and it turned out not only to make everything in

my gut worse but also to give me a slamming headache for three days

straight that went away soon after I stopped taking it.

Why would there be salicylates in coconut oil?

Chris

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[Guest guest]

Boy Emma, you have a MAJOR chip on your shoulder! Someone so biased

against an actual diagnosable disease like lyme, that can be

dangerous left untreated, has no business in the health care

industry! You are dangerous!

The CDC guidelines for lyme reporting are to eliminate any chance of

false positives, so they can track the spread, and were never

intended to be diagnostic criteria, which unfortunately they have

become. An EM rash, the classic bull's eye with symptoms of lyme

like headaches and digestive problems, should be enough for a

diagnosis, since the rash is rarely caused by anything else. The

labs are notoriously bad at giving false negatives, not false

positives, because the elysa and western blot count on antibodies to

lyme and often the immune system is so messed up that it doesn't

react. But because only some 30% of those with lyme ever get the

rash, and because the symptoms are so different in different

individuals, and because of the known high rate of false negatives,

many knowledgable doctors who treat lyme agree that it has to be a

clinical (meaning symptom-based) diagnosis. Then even just using

the antibiotic protocols, which are damaging to the GI and other

organs, the people who previously thought they had fibromyalgia or

MS or rhumatoid arthritis find themselves feeling much, much

better. The problem is that lyme goes into cyst forms, and often

hides in parasites in the body so after the course of antibiotics it

comes back again, months or years later. That's where the salt/c

comes in, because after the antibiotics, the salt raises the

salinity of the blood just slightly, but enough to kill the lyme and

parasites by osmotic shock. There is even a published journal

article showing that many strains of lyme are extremely sensitive to

the salinity and killed off easily by slight changes in it.

My dog got lyme recently and one day woke up and couldn't walk. We

took her to the vet, had her tested for lyme (vet didn't think she

had it, but didn't see any other cause of the sudden paralysis) and

the vet called us back saying she tested very positive for lyme. A

few days on antibiotics and she's back to normal.

Where I live, the whole area is steeped in lyme. Everyone knows

several people who have had it; a survey of one township showed some

50% of households had a member who had had lyme. The deer are

everywhere, the mice are everywhere, the ticks are everywhere. The

MD says it's a major part of his practice these days. I know one

woman who got Bell's palsey from lyme, another who had a complete

personality change. Don't tell me there's no lyme. You just don't

have it as bad there, yet.

> >

> > What's your point? I know I've had chemical sensitivities since

I got

> > lyme. Never had it before. Treating the lyme makes it better.

>

>

> By treating " lyme " with large amounts of salt and vitamin C, you

are

> in fact:

>

> 1. stimulating your adrenal glands to produce the large amounts of

> adrenaline your body requires to cope with the food chemicals you

are

> ingesting.

>

> 2. stimulating your kidneys to excrete the benzenes, phenols, and

> salicylates that would otherwise build up in your body due to the

> failure of your liver to remove them. A widely used remedy for

> salicylate reactions is bicarbonate of soda. Salt works well, but

less

> well than bicarb.

>

>

> I

> > still can't figure out why the kids have them except my

husband's

> > family seems to have some sensitivities as well. Could be that

or

> > could be they got a " touch " of lyme as well, or some deficiency

in me

> > because of the lyme triggered it in them.

>

>

> There are far more likely explanations for food intolerance that

runs

> in families than a " touch " of lyme. If your children's problems

> concern you or them, you should consider lowering their chemical

exposure.

>

>

> > Herxheimer reactions in the salt/c protocol come in fairly

predictable

> > 4 week cycles, with stronger ones every third (i.e. 3 month, 6

month,

> > 9 month). My problems have consistently followed the 4 week

pattern,

> > regardless of what I've eaten or not eaten, and whether I've

been to

> > the perfume dept. or not.

>

>

> That's because your oestrogen levels rise and fall in four week

> cycles. The detox pathway in the liver that removes these chemicals

> from your body also has to remove oestrogen from your body. You're

not

> experiencing a Herxheimer, you're experiencing the effects of the

> additional workload on your liver.

>

> When you already have chemicals in your body, you will never be

able

> to spot specific reactions to chemicals that are inhaled, put on

the

> skin, or eaten, unless they are very powerful indeed. This is only

> possible once the chemicals are out of your body. You would only

> experience good days and bad days that have no noticeable pattern

> apart from the one connected to the rise and fall of your monthly

> oestrogen levels. Many women often blame their hormones for their

PMT

> problems, when in fact PMT is a symptom that the liver is unable to

> clear chemicals as fast as they are being consumed because of the

> additional workload.

>

>

> I used to

> > have 50 of the 75 symptoms on www.canlyme.com, and thought I

must be

> > dying. I had constant headaches, a stiff neck that would never

go

> > away, often wanted to just lie around all day, I even had numb

patches

> > on my skin all over my body!

>

>

> That is a classic food chemical reaction.

>

> When I first read those symptoms of " lyme " I laughed. They are all

the

> symptoms of food chemical intolerance, which has multiple and often

> unknown causes, one of which MAY under SOME circumstances be lyme,

or

> indeed the antibiotics prescribed to treat it.

>

> No one can diagnose " lyme " on the basis of those symptoms, to do

so or

> to treat someone purely on the basis of meeting that symptom

checklist

> would be deeply irresponsible. Just because it " sounds like lyme "

does

> not mean that it is lyme. It means it is a food chemical

sensitivity,

> which is often worsened by alternative herbal treatments for lyme,

> including coconut oil, which are extremely high in salicylates and

> phenols. The worsening symptoms are then blamed on " Herxheimer " and

> " die off " , when in fact the problem is the actual " treatment " .

>

> Since food chemical sensitivities cause the apparent symptoms of

lyme,

> you cannot be certain you have lyme based on symptoms alone. Unless

> you are 100% certain that a positive blood test for lyme is

accurate,

> and not one of the common false positives, or that you actually

saw a

> tick bite you, you do not have the absolute certainty that you have

> lyme. Under this circumstance, there is no proof that lyme is the

> cause of your chemical sensitivities, as you are in fact treating

your

> chemical sensitivities with this supposed lyme treatment.

>

[Guest guest]

Twice I was diagnosed by MD's who are pretty well-trained and

knowledgable, the first time she had to argue me into taking the

meds because I didn't believe it.

Dr. Bowen has a method of diagnosing lyme where she sees the actual

borellia organism under a special microscope. She's been widely

discredited because she's finding the " impossible " - lyme in

mosquitoes, fleas, and many people who believe they are

asymptomatic. Diagnosis is a very tricky business. I suppose it

doesn't matter if you have a diagnosis if you use a treatment for a

cluster of symptoms and it works. But it is helpful to those who

follow you who have the same cluster of symptoms to know that a

given treatment might work for them, especially if the set of

symptoms is very troubling or incapacitating.

You think the high amounts of salt might be what's helping my

sensitivities, so be it. Wouldn't it be nice if people with the set

of symptoms labelled " fibromyalgia " or " lyme " or " chemical

sensitivities " could find out that eating more salt could help them

function like a person in good health without having to go on a

restrictive diet?

I'm not entirely comfortable with the lyme diagnosis either. Why

do some who get lyme get arthritis and some not? Or MS or ALS or

autism or lyme carditis or any of the other conditions it leads to?

Or no symptoms at all? There has to be something else going on that

creates vulnerabilities in the affected organs/systems. That's

where the Weston A. Price Foundation comes in, with their

information about what people used to eat, and how they maintained

their health.

There's a book " Never Be Sick Again " by Francis. He had

severe multiple chemical sensitivity to the point where he almost

died from it. He recovered his health and for the most part got

over the sensitivities (I don't know if he can completely go back to

everything, it's been awhile since I read it). Something causes

them, and I believe they can be cured by restoring health to the

body.

That's just my point of view.

- Renate

> >

> > Boy Emma, you have a MAJOR chip on your shoulder! Someone so

biased

> > against an actual diagnosable disease like lyme, that can be

> > dangerous left untreated, has no business in the health care

> > industry! You are dangerous!

>

>

> I do not have a " MAJOR chip on my shoulder " against lyme disease,

> which I have never stated does not exist. I have a major chip on my

> shoulder about all the false diagnoses that occur for lyme, and the

> huge profit-hungry industry that motivates them. I am interested in

> actual genuine scientific diagnoses, not fraudulent symptom-based

> ones, and not deeply questionable western-blot blood tests. What I

am

> trying to determine from you is whether your diagnosis is actually

> reliable - since so many lyme diagnoses aren't - because as YOU

have

> clearly stated, you and your family are suffering the effects of

food

> chemicals - a problem which has multiple causes.

>

> If you ask me, ingesting huge quantities of salt and vitamin C is a

> " dangerous " method of treating lyme disease, instead of getting

proper

> medical care, and you are " dangerous " for promoting it!

>

[Guest guest]

At 05:12 PM 9/3/06 -0000, Emma wrote:

>People have a tendency to blame gluten and dairy sensitivities

>on " allergies " , but they rarely actually exhibit an IgE response when

>tested, with the exception of gluten with celiac disease.

Just wanted to jump in briefly here - it's my understanding that gluten or

dairy allergies are IgA, so of course they wouldn't show an IgE response

except in the case that you noted, where the damage is so wide-spread that

it would affect areas other than the gut.

MFJ

" The great secret that all old people share is that you really haven't

changed in seventy or eighty years. Your body changes, but you don't

change at all. And that, of course, causes great confusion. " ~ Doris

Lessing

[Guest guest]

At 08:20 PM 9/3/06 -0000, you wrote:

>

>> Just wanted to jump in briefly here - it's my understanding that

>gluten or

>> dairy allergies are IgA, so of course they wouldn't show an IgE response

>> except in the case that you noted, where the damage is so

>wide-spread that

>> it would affect areas other than the gut.

>

>

>The role of both IgA and IgG in allergic response is not yet clear.

>IgA and IgG actually appear to have some protective effect *against*

>the development of allergies. It is normal to have IgG antibodies to food.

>

>IgA plays a protective role by combining with the allergens on the

>intestinal epithelial surfaces, reducing allergen penetration. If

>intestinal barriers are weakened by inflammatory disease or IgA

>deficiency, allergen sensitisation and allergic disease is more likely

>to occur, in other words, IgA antibodies are a good thing for the

>prevention of allergies like celiac disease.

Wasn't looking for a lesson, just wanted to note that the original post was

comparing apples and oranges (IgE response versus IgA response). But okay.

MFJ

" The great secret that all old people share is that you really haven't

changed in seventy or eighty years. Your body changes, but you don't

change at all. And that, of course, causes great confusion. " ~ Doris

Lessing

[Guest guest]

I'm being misunderstood! I've never recommended anyone take 20 - 40

grams of salt a day! I've only taken 12 grams a day. The point I was

trying to make earlier was that we may not need to fear salty foods,

because salt isn't that bad for us. It's been wrongly vilified by the

same diet dictocrats as those who accuse fats of being the cause of

all our woes. Please! Don't eat 40 grams of salt a day!

--- In , " Emma Davies " <emma@...>

wrote:

>>

> Furthermore, whilst I do not know what the effects of consuming 20-40

> grams of salt a day for the rest of my life would be on my kidneys or

> the rest of my body,

[Guest guest]

On 9/3/06, Emma Davies <emma@...> wrote:

> I'm actually aware of the fact molecules can bind to proteins in the

> body and the resultant protein cause immune responses, but the

> likelihood of it happening is so rare I didn't want to complicate the

> conversation. Genuine food allergies are much rarer than people think,

> and the symptoms are usually instant and related to the area where the

> food touched the mouth, such as rashes and itching of the mouth and

> throat.

These are IgE reactions. I don't see how it is productive to limit a

discussion of immunological reactions to food ( " allergies " ) to IgE

reactiosn simply because those are what have classically been

recognized by allergists.

>People have a tendency to blame gluten and dairy sensitivities

> on " allergies " , but they rarely actually exhibit an IgE response when

> tested, with the exception of gluten with celiac disease. Gluten and

> dairy are more usually related to chemical intolerances - opiate-like

> peptides, lectins, phytates, in some cases even the potassium iodide

> that is used to clean out milking tanks, or a problem with the free

> cysteine formed from the breakdown of cystine in the pasturisation

> process.

IgG to gliadin is present in 11% of the population; IgA in the gut in

about 35%. It's not entirely clear how to interpret what this means,

but if the other 90% or the other 65% don't have them it means

something. And yes, opiate-like peptides can be a problem, but if you

have the antibodies, then its an immune reaction.

> People who are prone to salicylate sensitivity tend to have any one or

> any combination of the following problems: asthma, eczema,

> GERD/reflux/ulcers/colic, IBS, arthritis or joint pain, migraines,

> fatigue, muscle aches or fibromyalgia/CFS, ADD/ADHD, autism, problems

> concentrating, " specialised " brains (i.e. bad at language and good at

> maths or vice versa), hypoglycaemia, urinary urgency, nightmares,

> rashes, urticaria or hives, allergies, depression or emotional

> problems, other skin problems like acne, rosacea and excess sebum, or

> a plethora of other strange symptoms that can't be explained by modern

> medicine.

I have some of those, definitely not all of them, and they are

certainly not specific enough for a diagnosis. How do you diagnose

salicylate intolerance?

> A significant proportion have relatives with similar

> problems. Children are particularly vulnerable because they have poor

> backup systems for detox (glucuronidation), and consume more chemicals

> per body weight than adults. People with this problem are often

> misdiagnosed by alternative therapists (or themselves) as having

> candida, lyme, or other illnesses that are not well accepted by

> mainstream medicine.

Fair enough, but it seems someone could as easily misdiagnose

themselves with salicylate intolerance.

> I used to have eczema, until about a month after I started the

> failsafe diet. The " Fed Up " site has an impressive array of reader's

> stories and the symptoms which improved on the diet, it reads like a

> book of " modern diseases of civilisation of unknown causes " . It is

> well worth reading through some of them to see if you spot any other

> similarities with your own problems:

>

> http://www.fedupwithfoodadditives.info/stories/storyindex.htm

Thanks.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 9/3/06, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote:

> I'm not entirely comfortable with the lyme diagnosis either. Why

> do some who get lyme get arthritis and some not? Or MS or ALS or

> autism or lyme carditis or any of the other conditions it leads to?

> Or no symptoms at all?

Dr. Shoemaker believes that it is a genetic inability to clear the

toxins. He believes most reoccurrences of Lyme are actually residual

toxins that cannot be cleared. He uses cholestyramine to effectively

remove these toxins in mold patients, but I think he got mixed results

for Lyme. I'm not sure because the book I read from him was focused

on mold.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 9/3/06, Emma Davies <emma@...> wrote:

>Consuming antioxidants in fruit and veg - which

> have so recently been found to be considerably less effective in the

> body than they are in the test tube - do not negate the

> well-documented carcinogenic effects of aromatic rings.

They work in rats.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

On 9/3/06, Emma Davies <emma@...> wrote:

> The role of both IgA and IgG in allergic response is not yet clear.

> IgA and IgG actually appear to have some protective effect *against*

> the development of allergies.

Only because you have circularly defined " allergy " as an IgE reaction.

> It is normal to have IgG antibodies to food.

And the fact that 90% to not have IgG to gliadin means nothing, and

the fact that people who have IgG are disproportionately infertile of

course means nothing.

> IgA plays a protective role by combining with the allergens on the

> intestinal epithelial surfaces, reducing allergen penetration. If

> intestinal barriers are weakened by inflammatory disease or IgA

> deficiency, allergen sensitisation and allergic disease is more likely

> to occur, in other words, IgA antibodies are a good thing for the

> prevention of allergies like celiac disease.

This relies on an enormous amount of unjustified assumption. First of

all, while I have seen repeated claims for the " purpose " of IgA in

textbooks, I have not once seen any indication that anyone who claims

to know what the purpose of the IgA is actually has a clue based on

experimental evidence.

Second, only 30-35% of the general population has IgA to gliadin in

the gut. Why don't the others have it? Are the *all* IgA deficient?

Dr. Fine claims to have found an association between gut damange and

IgA to gliadin, but he hasn't published his results yet so I do not

know the veracity of the claim.

Third, even if the IgA is not directly harmful, this does not mean it

is not a good indicator for gut damage induced by T-cell mediated

responses in the gut.

Finally, celiac is not an IgE reaction. The classic diagnosis, aside

from intestinal biopsy, is the combination of IgG and anti-tissue

transglutaminase.

And this " diagnosis " is incredibly counter-productive because it is

leading to the failure to investigate types of gluten intolerance for

which there is substantial evidence that is simply dismissed because

it doesn't fit the classical diagnosis.

Chris

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