Guest guest Posted April 26, 2000 Report Share Posted April 26, 2000 Hi : As I said before I will never allow the hand manipulations on my neck. I trust the activator because the chiro can aim it at a certain spot instead of a large area. This is difficult to describe but I will be back for another treatment on Friday and I will ask for more info and I will post it. Mado rheumatic RA neck >> >> >>>I am writing this as a caution to those of you with RA. Over the last >>>couple of years, my neck has become more " noisy " (only to me) and in the >>>last few months there is a new sound, more bone on bone, and an awareness >>of >>>some slight " shifting " from time to time, especially when my head is down. >>I >>>asked my doctor to check my neck and he ordered x-rays as well. He phoned >>>with the results. It is a mechanical >>>problem caused by years of RA; there is no current inflammation. C1 has >>>subluxed somewhat on C2 with an odontoid interval of 8 mm. From what I >>have >>>read, anything over 3 mm is abnormal and my doctor says at 11-12 mm they >>>recommend surgery for fusion. He believes his examination of my neck made >>>it worse re pain etc. and that there will probably be pain for another 2-3 >>>weeks (the examination was on April 1). He is hesitant to recommend >>>therapy--he just doesn't like RA necks to be manipulated. I'm going to >>talk >>>to my therapist and arrange to see an OT as well to learn as much as I can >>>and to try to prevent further damage if possible. >>> >>>Years ago, I was warned by a therapist--long before I was aware of any neck >>>involvement from my RA--never to let anyone stretch and pull at my neck as >>>some treatments by physiotherapists and chiropractors require. So I pass >>>that warning along to all of you along with the advice to be as protective >>>of your neck as possible, to keep the neck muscles strong and to be very >>>careful of your posture, especially at the computer, at all times. >>> >>> >>>(RA 23+ years, AP since Nov. 97) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>You have a voice mail message waiting for you at iHello.com: >>>1/3555/0/_/532797/_/956670008/ >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Now the best and coolest websites come right to you based on your >>unique interests. eTour.com is surfing without searching. >>And, it's FREE! >>1/3013/0/_/532797/_/956709586/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >You set the price on thousands of products. Computers, electronics, >art, home appliances and more. Visit uBid today! >1/3026/0/_/532797/_/956796971/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2000 Report Share Posted April 26, 2000 Be very careful with chiros if you have joint problems. I have been told by both doctors and physical therapists about not going to a chiro if you have RA. The manipulation is too hard on the joints. Well, I went anyway and landed up with a pinched nerve that kept me in pain for six weeks. I had been plenty of times before the RA hit with no problems but this was terrible. Never again! I guess what you are describing Mado would be a different experience but be careful of those quick jerks on the neck! >Hi : > >I know what you mean by a sore neck. My neck was so painful that my doctor >recommended seeing a chiro - not your average chiro but one that uses an >activator instead of manupilating your body with his/her hands. This chiro >has done magnificent work on my neck and I am now able to be pain free most >of the time. The activitor is an instrument that sounds like a large >stapler but looks like a siringe (God only knows how to spell that one) >needle - this is the only way I can describe this. It does not hurt or >penetrate the skin but it sure is beneficial. I was very relunctant to see >a chiro, don't be afraid, I feel so much better now. > >Hugs Mado > > > rheumatic RA neck > > >>I am writing this as a caution to those of you with RA. Over the last >>couple of years, my neck has become more " noisy " (only to me) and in the >>last few months there is a new sound, more bone on bone, and an awareness >of >>some slight " shifting " from time to time, especially when my head is down. >I >>asked my doctor to check my neck and he ordered x-rays as well. He phoned >>with the results. It is a mechanical >>problem caused by years of RA; there is no current inflammation. C1 has >>subluxed somewhat on C2 with an odontoid interval of 8 mm. From what I >have >>read, anything over 3 mm is abnormal and my doctor says at 11-12 mm they >>recommend surgery for fusion. He believes his examination of my neck made >>it worse re pain etc. and that there will probably be pain for another 2-3 >>weeks (the examination was on April 1). He is hesitant to recommend >>therapy--he just doesn't like RA necks to be manipulated. I'm going to >talk >>to my therapist and arrange to see an OT as well to learn as much as I can >>and to try to prevent further damage if possible. >> >>Years ago, I was warned by a therapist--long before I was aware of any neck >>involvement from my RA--never to let anyone stretch and pull at my neck as >>some treatments by physiotherapists and chiropractors require. So I pass >>that warning along to all of you along with the advice to be as protective >>of your neck as possible, to keep the neck muscles strong and to be very >>careful of your posture, especially at the computer, at all times. >> >> >>(RA 23+ years, AP since Nov. 97) >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>You have a voice mail message waiting for you at iHello.com: >>1/3555/0/_/532797/_/956670008/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Now the best and coolest websites come right to you based on your >unique interests. eTour.com is surfing without searching. >And, it's FREE! >1/3013/0/_/532797/_/956709586/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 hi, yes..i saw one for awhile....and unfortunately it didnt help with my A.....he also thought he could help...but it didnt....let me know if you go and get any relief. karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 In a message dated 2/18/2004 11:22:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, sviilano@... writes: Hi all, I was talking to my aunt today and she is a little quacky but i love her. She said I should try a chiropractor. They have ways to stimulate the nerves. Has anyone heard of this? She said they probally could not repair them completely but just help keep the ones that still have function going. Has anyone seen a chiropractor to see if they can help? My aunt said it could be a stressed nerve. Just curious. dra dra, I believe that chiropractic is helpful for muscle and neck strains, and for pains resulting from minor traffic accidents that cause whiplash,even at slow speeds. I do not feel that chiropractic has an application in the area of digestive disorders. Just my own sad little .02 cents worth. ;-) Jan in Northern KY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Hi all, your organs are functioned by your nerves which wrap around to your spine, by letting off pressure on those nerves you will be healthier. little personal note: my son had bladder problems, I started taking him to the chiro and wow what a difference it has made. Chiro doesn't help everything but it sure makes a difference in the way your body feels ( at least mine). Like I said previously, my doc " adjusts " the area that is directly connected to my esophagus and les muscle, I haven't noticed a diffence but who know's maybe it has slowed down the progress. (p.s. I guess that is my .02 cents worth,too) ) Genia in Michigan > In a message dated 2/18/2004 11:22:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > sviilano@y... writes: > Hi all, > I was talking to my aunt today and she is a little quacky but i love > her. She said I should try a chiropractor. They have ways to stimulate the > nerves. Has anyone heard of this? She said they probally could not repair them > completely but just help keep the ones that still have function going. Has > anyone seen a chiropractor to see if they can help? My aunt said it could be a > stressed nerve. Just curious. > > dra > dra, > I believe that chiropractic is helpful for muscle and neck strains, and for > pains resulting from minor traffic accidents that cause whiplash,even at slow > speeds. I do not feel that chiropractic has an application in the area of > digestive disorders. > Just my own sad little .02 cents worth. > ;-) > Jan in Northern KY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 FWIW (for what it's worth) I've done both acupuncture AND chiro, and not noticed any differences. I still see my chiro as needed for a condition that I've had w/ my spine/pelvis since I was a teenager, and I enjoyed the acupuncture b/c I found it very relaxing, but I've never noticed any benefit WRT (with regard to) my achalasia symptoms. For people who are highly stressed and have a worsening of symptoms due to stress, the acupuncture may be helpful in reducing stress and therefore reducing those stress-induced symptoms. But I don't know of anyone who had either of these methods help with the underlying condition. Debbi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 Yeah, my neuro and GP say the same thing about chiros.. just like they talk about LDN. Chiros, like LDN, cut into their profits. They're the competition. They find them a threat. It's funny how the CRABs find LDN a threat, and neuros and GPs find chiropractic a threat.... but people on LDN don't find the CRABS to be a threat, and chiros don't consider regular orthodox medicine a threat. I always try to see which of the lady's doth protest too much. Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Amalgam Removal Cost - Off-topic Dear Larry, I feel the same about removing old fillings, it is painful and expensive, and I don't think i am inclined to have them removed. what supplements are best for some protection? I take a lot of vitamins. dr. scott recomends chroella, {wrong spelling] ? Edie P.S. my typing is horrible because my hands are numb, worse some days than others. Gosh can ldn make that improve? maybe??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2004 Report Share Posted December 8, 2004 A friend of mine dragged me to his one day. He knew he was taking me to see him, the chiro knew I was coming in, I just thought I was 'going with him to his appointment'. They convinced me to let him 'just look' and then I decided to let him have his way with me. I was the biggest skeptic. Just like with LDN, I didn't think it would do anything. But I kept an open mind. I said if I even notice 1 thing better, I'll consider going back again. Well, the next morning, following my first chiro adjustment... when I woke up, I was on the verge of freaking out. *gross alert, delete here* I woke up the following morning to a saturated pillow. I went to the bathroom and had to blow my nose. My nose was running like a faucet. I may have used up half a roll of toilet paper. I just kept blowing and blowing and blowing. It it kept coming out more and more. I knew then it wasn't tears on my pillow. Ewwwww I couldn't remember the last time before that morning where I could blow my nose. Yeah, I used to try, but nothing ever came out. Only went the other way. I had no idea what it was like to blow your nose, it had been at least 20 years, maybe even 24 or 25. Was always a concern of the docs, I always got gastroenteritis. But nothing ever helped, it was always the same. *gross alert -off-* Til that morning after. Wow. What a difference. When I was done I was so amazed I could even breathe again. Through the 80s, and quite a bit in the 70s, I was getting otitis media and acute otitis media. Inner ear infections. I was told by then I had developed scar tissue in my eustachian tubes in my right ear from all those years of infection. Same old battle.. got infection, went to doc, got antibiotics, infection goes away, and repeat... 3-4 months later. I have NOT had an inner ear infection since the last one I got before that visit. I went from 2-3 times a year all through the 80s and much of the 70s, to ZERO, none, 0, from 12/89 til now. This month makes 15 years. The ones I go to are a good drive away. I also have one local. I've tried to find others locally and have been to many over the years trying to find good ones. The one I found locally is good for many things, but I have found nobody who compares to the one I've been driving 30 miles each way to since 12/89. In 4/02, in the middle of my worst flare (the one that got me to go to a neuro), his son graduated chiro school and joined his practice. He watched his father adjust me for a month, then asked if he could take care of me that day. 5/17/02. His dad saw me 5/20/02 and that was the last day of my exacerbation. Whatever was done on 5/20, or 5/17 and 5/20 fixed whatever was causing my left arm problems. I felt different after he adjusted me, and then on 5/20 I felt 'something' while he did a treatment we hadn't done in a long while. 20 minutes later I was typing without interference and haven't had that problem again since. Few things seem to have worked for me over the years... but my chiros have proven to be a great source of my mobility and freedom. I'm sure of it. Re: [low dose naltrexone] chiros Good for you Larry, You followed your instincts. PRO ACTIVE. Isn;t that what they always tell us to be On their terms of course. edie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 larry, When you go to the chiro, do you let them manipulate your neck?? My neuro says get every thing else done but leave the neck alone. Anyone know about this? Edie Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: Amalgam Removal Cost - Off-topic Dear Larry, Good idea about the choro. I used to go al the time, i have a shorter right leg, and mild scoliosis. It used to help, i remember. Nruro says not to have chiro crack your neck, any comment on that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Oh yeah, and I have 2 lesions in my C5 and an area of sclerosis in my T5. My C1 is often a problem and if they don't fix it when it's, I really hurt. I even do this treatment on something called an Extensilizer. That pulls up my whole spine, sometimes I think i feel it down to my L5 SBO! Most of the time I only feel it down to maybe T8 or so. It was the extensilizer that ended my 3/02 attack on 5/20 But that's my case, with my father and son chiros. They are way different than any other chiros I've been to. Re: [low dose naltrexone] chiros Good for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 where are you located DeLores decrosby@... -----Original Message-----From: LarryGC [mailto:larrygc@...] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:53 AMlow dose naltrexone Subject: Re: [low dose naltrexone] chiros Oh yeah, and I have 2 lesions in my C5 and an area of sclerosis in my T5. My C1 is often a problem and if they don't fix it when it's, I really hurt. I even do this treatment on something called an Extensilizer. That pulls up my whole spine, sometimes I think i feel it down to my L5 SBO! Most of the time I only feel it down to maybe T8 or so. It was the extensilizer that ended my 3/02 attack on 5/20 But that's my case, with my father and son chiros. They are way different than any other chiros I've been to. Re: [low dose naltrexone] chiros Good for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 --- In low dose naltrexone , " edie " <edie1015@c...> wrote: > larry, When you go to the chiro, do you let them manipulate your neck?? My neuro says get every thing else done but leave the neck alone. Anyone know about this? Edie Hi Edie, My name is le and I am a chiro. I also have MS and have been on LDN for nearly 3 months. Having your neck (cervical spine) adjusted is absolutely safe. Do not let your neuro tell you otherwise. I liked Larry's analogy of chiros to LDN. We cut into the profits of neuros and orthos although just a tiny amount of what they make. Recently there was also one study in particular (funded by neuros) that stating favorable things about chiros but not to have your neck adjusted due to an increased possibility of injury. Let me just say that there are over 60,000 practicing chiropractors in the US and our yearly malpractice premiums are very low (less than my car insurance per year)due to the fact that there are very few claims against chiropractors. If we were injuring people, our premiums would be through the roof. Also, there are over 40 different chiroppractic techniques, every chiro has a few that they like and use with patients. So, shop for someone that works well for you. There is a study out there on MS and manipulation of the upper cervical spine. I'll have to post it when I find the link. le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I have too agree. If it wasn't for my chiropractor I probably would be in worse shape than I am now he has constantly adjusted my neck with very good results and much less stifness and pain in the past. My first m.s. symptoms were brought on by whiplash and no amount of chiropractic adjusting has ever made it worse. Reg -- [low dose naltrexone] Re: chiros > larry, When you go to the chiro, do you let them manipulate your neck?? My neuro says get every thing else done but leave the neck alone. Anyone know about this? EdieHi Edie,My name is le and I am a chiro. I also have MS and have been on LDN for nearly 3 months. Having your neck (cervical spine) adjusted is absolutely safe. Do not let your neuro tell you otherwise. I liked Larry's analogy of chiros to LDN. We cut into the profits of neuros and orthos although just a tiny amount of what they make. Recently there was also one study in particular (funded by neuros) that stating favorable things about chiros but not to have your neck adjusted due to an increased possibility of injury. Let me just say that there are over 60,000 practicing chiropractors in the US and our yearly malpractice premiums are very low (less than my car insurance per year)due to the fact that there are very few claims against chiropractors. If we were injuring people, our premiums would be through the roof. Also, there are over 40 different chiroppractic techniques, every chiro has a few that they like and use with patients. So, shop for someone that works well for you. There is a study out there on MS and manipulation of the upper cervical spine. I'll have to post it when I find the link. le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 My neuro also said that you should not get your neck manipulated. Had something to do with allot of blood vessels in that area, that could get damaged. > > larry, When you go to the chiro, do you let them manipulate your > neck?? My neuro says get every thing else done but leave the neck > alone. Anyone know about this? Edie > > > > Hi Edie, > My name is le and I am a chiro. I also have MS and have been on > LDN for nearly 3 months. Having your neck (cervical spine) adjusted > is absolutely safe. Do not let your neuro tell you otherwise. I liked > Larry's analogy of chiros to LDN. We cut into the profits of neuros > and orthos although just a tiny amount of what they make. Recently > there was also one study in particular (funded by neuros) that > stating favorable things about chiros but not to have your neck > adjusted due to an increased possibility of injury. Let me just say > that there are over 60,000 practicing chiropractors in the US and our > yearly malpractice premiums are very low (less than my car insurance > per year)due to the fact that there are very few claims against > chiropractors. If we were injuring people, our premiums would be > through the roof. Also, there are over 40 different chiroppractic > techniques, every chiro has a few that they like and use with > patients. So, shop for someone that works well for you. There is a > study out there on MS and manipulation of the upper cervical spine. > I'll have to post it when I find the link. > > le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I dunno.. neuros and GPs seem to be in support of chiropractors as much as they are in support of LDN. Ya know, it's funny. Talk to what I call "orthodox medicine" doctors and they'll tell you LDN and chiros are NO GOOD, but they'll give you heavy doses of drugs that are 'real healthy'. Talk to someone going to chiros or taking LDN and they don't go around bashing Regular Doctors and Regular Medicine.. they just may not go to them or take the side-effect laden meds. There seems to be other parallels in 'types of people' that I've noticed, but that's really OT and not for mixed company, but they seem to hold true too. [low dose naltrexone] Re: chiros My neuro also said that you should not get your neck manipulated. Had something to do with allot of blood vessels in that area, that could get damaged.> > larry, When you go to the chiro, do you let them manipulate your > neck?? My neuro says get every thing else done but leave the neck > alone. Anyone know about this? Edie> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Yes, there are tons of blood vessels and nerves in your neck and a good chiropractor that you trust will have the skill and knowledge to manipulate the bones with no problems. There are millions of neck adjustments that occur every day with no mention of the " horrible " effects that neuros would have you believe are happening. Believe me, we chiros would be on every nightly news show if something bad did happen. The chance is very, very rare. I have had my cervicals adjusted thousands of times (some by pretty inexperienced people while in school) and likewise I have adjusted thousands of necks with no problems. If you want, tell me what area you are in and I could maybe look up someone from the American Chiropractic Association or possibly someone I know personally for you. le > > > larry, When you go to the chiro, do you let them manipulate your > > neck?? My neuro says get every thing else done but leave the neck > > alone. Anyone know about this? Edie > > > > > > > > Hi Edie, > > My name is le and I am a chiro. I also have MS and have been > on > > LDN for nearly 3 months. Having your neck (cervical spine) adjusted > > is absolutely safe. Do not let your neuro tell you otherwise. I > liked > > Larry's analogy of chiros to LDN. We cut into the profits of neuros > > and orthos although just a tiny amount of what they make. Recently > > there was also one study in particular (funded by neuros) that > > stating favorable things about chiros but not to have your neck > > adjusted due to an increased possibility of injury. Let me just say > > that there are over 60,000 practicing chiropractors in the US and > our > > yearly malpractice premiums are very low (less than my car > insurance > > per year)due to the fact that there are very few claims against > > chiropractors. If we were injuring people, our premiums would be > > through the roof. Also, there are over 40 different chiroppractic > > techniques, every chiro has a few that they like and use with > > patients. So, shop for someone that works well for you. There is a > > study out there on MS and manipulation of the upper cervical spine. > > I'll have to post it when I find the link. > > > > le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 great....I am in Toccoa Georgia (NE GA) DeLores decrosby@... -----Original Message-----From: le [mailto:drdlm2000@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:11 AMlow dose naltrexone Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: chirosYes, there are tons of blood vessels and nerves in your neck and a good chiropractor that you trust will have the skill and knowledge to manipulate the bones with no problems. There are millions of neck adjustments that occur every day with no mention of the "horrible" effects that neuros would have you believe are happening. Believe me, we chiros would be on every nightly news show if something bad did happen. The chance is very, very rare. I have had my cervicals adjusted thousands of times (some by pretty inexperienced people while in school) and likewise I have adjusted thousands of necks with no problems. If you want, tell me what area you are in and I could maybe look up someone from the American Chiropractic Association or possibly someone I know personally for you.le> > > larry, When you go to the chiro, do you let them manipulate your > > neck?? My neuro says get every thing else done but leave the neck > > alone. Anyone know about this? Edie> > > > > > > > Hi Edie,> > My name is le and I am a chiro. I also have MS and have been > on > > LDN for nearly 3 months. Having your neck (cervical spine) adjusted > > is absolutely safe. Do not let your neuro tell you otherwise. I > liked > > Larry's analogy of chiros to LDN. We cut into the profits of neuros > > and orthos although just a tiny amount of what they make. Recently > > there was also one study in particular (funded by neuros) that > > stating favorable things about chiros but not to have your neck > > adjusted due to an increased possibility of injury. Let me just say > > that there are over 60,000 practicing chiropractors in the US and > our > > yearly malpractice premiums are very low (less than my car > insurance > > per year)due to the fact that there are very few claims against > > chiropractors. If we were injuring people, our premiums would be > > through the roof. Also, there are over 40 different chiroppractic > > techniques, every chiro has a few that they like and use with > > patients. So, shop for someone that works well for you. There is a > > study out there on MS and manipulation of the upper cervical spine. > > I'll have to post it when I find the link. > > > > le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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