MUSIC THERAPY

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I can mail you a copy of music eval that from which his old school

found him eligible for MT if you want. Just email me your address

privately. There is no direct reference to apraxia. They wanted to use MT

mostly for increasing attention, working on social deficits and some

academic items, just as another means of reaching him. (Boy! The new

school here in North Carolina is a far cry from the luxurious school in

Illinois. Why did I have to move?!?!?!)

I think the reason I got MT back in Illinois is because the therapy co-op

had a music therapist. Otherwise the school would have argued that

did not need MT. Isn't it sad that schools somehow conveniently determine

our kids' needs based on what is available in the district?

I am so glad your son is doing well in the classroom!

Tricia Morin

North Carolina (wishing I was still in Illinois!)

Does anyone have a link or other information that states Music

Therapy is one of the recommended treatments for Apraxia? My son was

recently denied Music Therapy by the school district since he is

doing well in the classroom (and he is, following the routine,

participating, etc.), however, he is still profoundly apraxic and

needs constant drill and therapy to keep him progressing. I've been

private paying music therapy for him for almost a year - and just

assumed that once we went into the school district that Music Therapy

would be included once school did their MT evaluation on him. I'm

not planning on fighting them - I just want to educate them that the

criteria for Apraxic children should not be the same as an Autistic

child (which his twin is and was also denied Music Therapy)- yes my

son is learning from his enviornment but his mouth is a whole

different story!!!

[Guest guest]

You may want to look at Kathleen Helfrich-'s study " A clinical

perspective: melodic intonation therapy for developmental apraxia " reported

in Clin Commun Disord. 1994 Sep;4(3):175-82. You can probably find the

abstract online.

You could also contact the American Music Therapy Association (301) 589-3300

or www.musictherapy.org for information.

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> Does anyone have a link or other information that states Music

> Therapy is one of the recommended treatments for Apraxia? My son was

> recently denied Music Therapy by the school district since he is

> doing well in the classroom (and he is, following the routine,

> participating, etc.), however, he is still profoundly apraxic and

> needs constant drill and therapy to keep him progressing. I've been

> private paying music therapy for him for almost a year - and just

> assumed that once we went into the school district that Music Therapy

> would be included once school did their MT evaluation on him. I'm

> not planning on fighting them - I just want to educate them that the

> criteria for Apraxic children should not be the same as an Autistic

> child (which his twin is and was also denied Music Therapy)- yes my

> son is learning from his enviornment but his mouth is a whole

> different story!!!

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Hi ,

I've always agreed that music and music therapy were excellent " teaching tools "

not only for apraxic, but all other children as well. We still play the music

all around the house and in the car, that I played when I was pregnant, and he

was an infant. Sing alongs have been excellent for us.....really brought the

ability to string words together.

Not sure if you can get that paid for by a school district....but hopefully

there's something you can do. Someone sent a great link a while back (thought I

saved it, must have been having an ADHD moment...can't find it, per usual....)

You might want to check the archived listings..if not, Im sure one of these

other great moms will have it for you again.

Good luck to you and your little guys

~Karyn

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Laurel and all, I am looking for a music therapist in NJ. I live in

Montville. My case manager from the town is looking also so we can make it part

of

our home program. Anyone interested or have any leads? Thanks, Carolyn

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We fought tooth and nail to get music therapy into Josh's IEP -

almost an hour long " discussion " with District people, my dh and I

presenting our side, the music therapist presenting her reasons for

including MT as an educational need, the director of our Easter Seals

offering her take on the issue - finally won over the director of

special ed and it's been in Josh's IEP for three years now. There

was one other kid who got MT at the same time as our fight for it -

now the District sees the benefit to all the kids and teachers are

going to try to get it into the basic program for all special ed kids.

Write me separately and I'll go into more detail!

Sherry

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> > I am a Board-Certified Music Therapist, and, over the summer I

did an

> > eligibility assessment for a child with PDD/Autism. As part of my

> > assessment procedure, I prefer to be able to videotape the child,

> > because whether or not the child is eligible for music therapy is

> > primarily dependent on whether there is a significant difference

in

> > their performance on IEP objectives with/without the use of music

> > therapy interventions.

[Guest guest]

Here is a link that tells you how to find a MT in your area:

http://www.musictherapy.org/find.html

Tricia Morin

North Carolina

< Laurel and all, I am looking for a music therapist in NJ. I live in

Montville. My case manager from the town is looking also so we can make

it part of

our home program. Anyone interested or have any leads? Thanks, Carolyn

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn,

I'm so sorry to be so late replying...I have tried TWICE to reply to

music therapy posts and each time I have been " kicked off " the

internet for one reason or another.

I see that someone already sent you the website for the American

Music Therapy Association. That will be helpful...If you want to

email me privately with all the relevant information, I can forward

it to the job hotline contact person for the New Jersey Association

for Music Therapists. I live in central NJ, so that is too far for

me to travel, but there are lots of qualified MT's up north. I am

sure that someone up there will be able to help. Also, you might try

contacting the Music Dept. at Montclair State University (they can

connect you or give you the number for the director of the Music

Therapy Dept.) If you don't mind having students work with your

child, you might even be able to get free (or drastically-reduced

cost) therapy through MSU's Psychoeducational Center/Communication

Disorders Demonstration Program. I remember that when I did a

practicum there while a student, there was at least one child with

Apraxia in the program. I also have an AMTA directory, so I could

cross-reference the names of people near you and whether they have

any experience with autism/apraxia or whatever your child's diagnosis

is.

Anyway, feel free to email me privately if you'd like me to help you

find a therapist.

Laurel, MT-BC, mom to Evan (26.5 mo, Pierre Robin Sequence, cleft

palate repaired, 2nd set of ear tubes, non-verbal but undx'd at the

moment)

> Laurel and all, I am looking for a music therapist in NJ. I live

in

> Montville. My case manager from the town is looking also so we can

make it part of

> our home program. Anyone interested or have any leads? Thanks,

Carolyn

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What??!?? No YES? We LOVE to put on Roundabout and dance all around

the dining room. The neighbors think we're nuts, but they love it.

They also like The Grateful Dead - ALOT - and CSN & Y.

Make you feel better, Laurie??

Marina

> Hi all, I spoke with Mics medicaid waiver coordinator this am and

she knows a music therapists.So we are going to try to get one to

train me.Right now our form of music therapy is Lynard Skinnard,

Santana, and Dave Mathews.When Mic starts to melt down we turn on the

music and dance usually will reroute the melt down.Mics dad is a

country music kinda guy I think Patsy Cline is to slow and sad.MY mom

thinks Sinatra,Dean ,Pavoritti and Kate whoever

she is would be great.I win.Showing my age hope this makes some of

you smile.Ive read music therapy can do wonders for apraxia and

autism.Im pretty sure we are not doing it right but it does help with

melt downs. Laurie

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Hi Laurie,

Just wanted to let you know that I am a Board Certified Music

Therapist, as well as the parent of a non-verbal/developmentally

delayed child (possible PDD-NOS, but nothing definitive yet).

Anyway, I would think that a music therapist would at least be

able/willing to show you some things to do at home to help with

generalization. Also, depending on your son's response to music and

the nature of his strengths, interests and needs, he or she might

recommend music therapy on either a consulting (ie: teaching you

and/or Mic's teacher) basis and/or on a direct therapy (ie: the

therapist working directly with Mic) basis. If Mic's needs are many

and his response to music is strong, my guess is that the therapist

will want to work with directly with Mic for at least a while before

instructing anyone...and even then I think that the techniques taught

would be fairly general and basic...but they would not be a

replacement for direct Music Therapy, if that is what Mic needs.

As for the type of music used, I am certain that the music therapist

would probably take into account the type of music listened to in the

home, and, if Mic responds therapeutically to those types of music,

the therapist would almost certainly use them, along with trying

other types of music to see what else he might respond to. There are

no hard and fast rules about what type of music is *right* for Music

Therapy...it all depends upon the students strengths, interests and

needs, plus the training/philosophical orientation of the therapist

and other factors such as the environment in which therapy takes

place. The therapist will use whatever works and is clinically

appropriate. As I said, the type of music listened to at home is

considered...but of most importance is what the *child* responds to

(not so much what the parent likes, because sometimes a child's

musical interests differ from those of his parent; although, if there

were a particular type of music that you strongly objected to...for

example religious music or music related to certain subjects...the

therapist would most likely agree to avoid those types of music).

Yes, you are right that Music Therapy does help many children with

Autism and/or Apraxia (each for different reasons). Check out

www.musictherapy.org for more info. I will also look up some other

sites and send them for you.

I forget how old your son is...is he in a preschool program? If so,

you should be able to have your school district do a Music Therapy

Eligibility Assessment on Mic. One thing that you should know is

that, in order for a child to be eligible for Music Therapy through

the schools, it has to be shown that Music Therapy is *required* for

that particular child in order for him/her to make a reasonable

amount of progress on his goals/objectives...it is on a case-by-case

basis, and is not decided based on a particular diagnosis. It is

based on whether or not the child responds in a strong enough way to

Music Therapy activities used in the assessment (in a way that he

does not respond to other activities) and whether or not he has

goals/objectives that can be addressed through Music Therapy.

BTW, your SD might try to tell you that Music Therapy is not

considered a related service under IDEA, but they would be mistaken.

Although it is not *specifically listed* as a related service, the

list of services is not meant to be exhaustive; and there was a

letter sent to the American Music Therapy Association a few years

ago, basically stating that, for some children, Music Therapy is a

required service eligible to be provided through school districts.

This letter was sent by the Office of Special Education of the United

States of America.

Oh, and fyi, I believe that Kate is an opera singer.

The important thing is for you and your child to experience music

together in a positive way, and to try to make it as active and

interactive as possible.

Hope this helps...feel free to ask if you have any questions.

Laurel Martone, Music Therapist-Board Certified, mom to Evan (34 mo,

Pierre Robin Sequence, cleft palate repaired, 3rd set of ear tubes,

non-verbal but undiagnosed [but, as of yesterday, we know for sure

that he can hear fine]).

> Hi all, I spoke with Mics medicaid waiver coordinator this am and

she knows a music therapists.So we are going to try to get one to

train me.Right now our form of music therapy is Lynard Skinnard,

Santana, and Dave Mathews.When Mic starts to melt down we turn on the

music and dance usually will reroute the melt down.Mics dad is a

country music kinda guy I think Patsy Cline is to slow and sad.MY mom

thinks Sinatra,Dean ,Pavoritti and Kate whoever

she is would be great.I win.Showing my age hope this makes some of

you smile.Ive read music therapy can do wonders for apraxia and

autism.Im pretty sure we are not doing it right but it does help with

melt downs. Laurie

[Guest guest]

My son got music therapy for a year in his preschool classroom. I never

observed the MT but supposedly it really helped him work on his IEP

objectives.

Tricia Morin

North Carolina

mick8_7@... wrote:

Hi all, I spoke with Mics medicaid waiver coordinator this am and she

knows a music therapists.So we are going to try to get one to train me.Right

now our form of music therapy is Lynard Skinnard, Santana, and Dave

Mathews.When Mic starts to melt down we turn on the music and dance usually

will reroute the melt down.Mics dad is a country music kinda guy I think

Patsy Cline is to slow and sad.MY mom thinks Sinatra,Dean

,Pavoritti and Kate whoever she is would be great.I win.Showing

my age hope this makes some of you smile.Ive read music therapy can do

wonders for apraxia and autism.Im pretty sure we are not doing it right but

it does help with melt downs. Laurie

[Guest guest]

Random thoughts and pure speculation:

My almost 18 year old listens to music a lot. It helps drown out sounds that

irritate him because of his sensory issues and he says it helps regulate his

thoughts and sense of time -- that the tempo of the music marks time for him,

since he has a poor sense of time. His typically scattered thoughts are more

focused when he has music on -- but not music with singing, which he finds

irritating (he makes wav files of his favorite game themes and other stuff he

finds online). I have read that autistics respond to non-voice sounds more than

to human voices -- which is the opposite of " normal " . I find this to be true

for my sons. I can call and call all day and not be heard. I knock on the wall

and they show up post haste.

My husband, who also fits the profile of HFA but never had any kind of

diagnosis, listens to music a great deal as well. He appears fairly emotionless

but he says his music reflects his emotions -- whatever mood he is in you can

tell by the mood of the type of music he listens to. I have talked with my

oldest son about the fact that he does have emotions, they are just not as

easily " moved " as other people. His emotions are deeper and slower to react,

generally speaking. He doesn't have as much surface feeling but that doesn't

mean he is emotionless. So I think maybe music helps bridge some of that gap

between the affect that normal people express and that aspies express -- it

helps open the door to something which is usually deeper in them and not shown

so much on the surface.

So I find that for my two " emotionless " aspie-ish family members, music is a lot

more important than for me and our more emotional younger child.

Michele in California

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[Guest guest]

Where are you taking the Melodic Therapy? Would love to find a program

near us. loves music and it helps her calm during stressful

times...

Roxanne

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From:

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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:56 PM

Subject: [ ] Music Therapy

My daughter is 10yrs. old she has dyspraxia and it is severe. She has

been recieving speech since the age of 4 and this past year she started

music therapy at a near by college. You cant imagaine how much it has

helped her with her speech and breaking down words. The music works one

side of the brain and the speech comes from another so if you get one

side working the other will start working better and become stronger.

The correct name for the therapy is Melodic Therapy and it really does

help apraxia kids.

Sherri Drumm

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know of music therapy that a parent can initiate in the home?

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check out Music Together which has classes and also encourages

families to sing the songs and play some cheap instruments at home.

Not sure where you are located but feel free to let me know off the

loop and I can make some suggestions - www.musictogether.com.

April

[Guest guest]

A lot of us do 'the listening program' http://www.thelisteningprogram.com/

For us it is part of NACD (the National Association of Child Development) - it

is a component of our home program. It is important to follow all the

instructions properly, buy the right headphones and most importantly, do it

supervised. I have the whole family doing it - why not, it is good for all of

us, and off sets the costs, and the kids know not to disturb my 15 mins of

listening time!

We have seen differences.

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I do not know of a specific music therapy home program, but music can be

incorporated

into home practice. Depending on the age and skill of your child, different CDs

would be

appropriate.

If you child is younger, or still having significant speech issues, Time to Sing

is fabulous.

There are two or three CDs to choose from.

If your child is at a little more advanced level, you could try Silly Songs for

Phonology and

Sound Awareness. This has a CD and a book with all the words. It goes through

the song

slowly, and then speeds it up.

Speechercise CDs are also good -- they combine songs along with oral motor

exercises.

Most of the above can be purchased from Super Duper Publications or Amazon.

We tried Music Therapy briefly when my child was small. Then we moved on to

piano

lessons. This has worked very well for my daughter who loves music. Her

teacher

incorporates singing into her lessons (she sings the songs she is playing). As

an added

bonus, the piano playing has really started those fingers working, and has

helped with fine

motor skills. Because so many of her friends take piano lessons, my daughter

enjoys the

lessons, and thinks of them as fun, not " therapy. "

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We got to a Music Together Class and I think it's very good- no

pressure for the kids to sing back and then sing song most

instructions too. Syd doesn't sing any " words " but she does mimic the

pitches/tones at times so it's a start. Also, we go with her older

sister so it's nice to do something together (helps avoid Sibling

conflicts!)

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> loop and I can make some suggestions - www.musictogether.com.

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[Guest guest]

We have a local Music Therapy Class which is only for special needs

children. This woman has done wonderful things with these kids. She has

degreees too numerous to mention in Music and Music therapy. She takes

kids after the age of 5 or 6, just for attention span. My daughter was

non-verbal when we started her classes. We went weekly for about 3yrs.

We went last Fall and have taken time off this Spring session to do

other things like swim therapy. But the right music therapy teacher CAN

and did get my daughter and some of the severe autistic kids in her

class talking, participating in the class, following directions, taking

turns. She uses every instrument in the world to get them to make sounds

and sing along!! She has high school students who are interested in

special needs kids helping so every student in her class has a 1-1 aide

for every class. the parents get to sit outside the room and just talk

like adults for 45 minutes than we get a report when the kids are done

how they did and what they heard for the class.

I hope you can find a similar class where you are.

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year old who is severly apraxic.

> thanks

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[Guest guest]

Hi

As a mom of a three year old with Apraxia and a music therapist, I would

encourage you to explore music therapy with your five year old. Music therapy

can provide a fun and success oriented enviroment for you child to encourage

both vocalization and speech. The music as well as a welcoming enviroment can

facilitate both expressive and receptive language skills as well as a host of

other goals. Please feel free to contact me with any questions you may have.

When Carly was diagnosed with Apraxia, my first instinct was to sing. So in the

meantime, I encourage you to sing silly songs that are repetive and fun during

activities of your day (mealtime, bathtime etc). I could go on forever, please

feel free to contact me at either curlyqkate2002@... or

www.singoutonline.com

www.singoutonline.com

music to encourage early childhood speech development for children with special

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

My name is Claudette and I joined this group about 2 months ago. I live in the

UK but could not find groups and forums as informative and supportive as this so

far.

I have been avidly reading and filing postings as I like to research everything

before making a decision and this is the first time someone has posted something

that I understand.

My son is 3.5, daigonsed with ASD, although he does not display a lot of the

sterotypical behaviours, the health professionals i.e. his speech and language

therapist and OT suspects that he also has Verbal Dyspraxia.

He has been attending a weekly music therapy session once a week since October

2007, at that point he was 2 years old and completely non verbal little to no

vocalisation, but I had recognised that if I wanted to gain his attention I used

music and singing and would get great IT contact. I spoke to my paedatrician

about this and he suggested music therapy.

We go to a centre which has a sound proofed music room filled with a wide

selection of real instruments e.g. piano, guitar, drums, xylophones, ocean

drums, etc etc.

The therapist then starts with child lead sessions allow them to explore the

instruments and she demonstrates how to play them if the child indicates an

interests, over time the process changes and it becomes much more of a 2 way

interaction and I have seen my son gain the following skills:

Turn taking

Anticipating

Requesting (songs or instruments) he uses makaton

Sharing - he will " play " the piano alongside the therapist

He will request that I join in the singing of a song

Intraverbal drops in using sign language e.g. " Old Mac " we will not sing

the word for cow and he will insert the word using sign language or a grunt

He allows the therapist to lead parts of the session and is happy to participate

He has increased his level of eye contact with her from none to him demanding

eye contact

Basically, he comes to life in a way that takes alot of work in any other

enviroment and thoroughly enjoys his 45 mins a week. We are only entitled to 1

year funded by NHS and since then we have secured the funding via a charity and

are fighting to have it included within his Statement of Special needs.

THE IMPORTANT MESSAGE IS HE THE SESSIONS ARE NOT TO ENCOURAGE SPEECH ALTHOUGH HE

DEFINITELY HAS INCREASED VOCALISATIONS DURING THE SESSIONS. THE KEEN BENEFIT FOR

US IS IT HAS ALLOWED MY SON TO EXPRESS HIMSELF IN AN ENVIROMENT WHICH HE FINDS

STIMULATING AND RESULTED IN IMPROVEMENT IN THE AREAS I HAVE LISTED.

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[Guest guest]

Hi

I have tried to post a couple of times so I am sorry if you get multiple

responses from me. I am a mom of a three year old with Apraxia and a music

therapist. I want to encourage you to explore music therapy with your five year

old as it is a fun and success oriented way to address goals related to

expressive language. The music therapist and speech therapist can collaborate in

a wonderful way to benefit your child. Singing and speaking are both natural

forms of human expression and speech has such musical elements inherent in it

like prosody, rhythm, and inflection. A music therapist can adapt activities to

focus on vocalization and speech while have your little one experiences success.

It is so good for both speech and sense of self. When Carly was diagnosed with

Apraxia, my first instinct was to sing. So I encourage you to sing with your

child, silly repetive songs, during various routines of the day (playtime,

bathtime, mealtime) We sing a no bubbles song at bath time and soon Carly was

filling in the words and singing short phrases of the song. Plus, singing in the

house can involve everyone while your five year old gets valuable speech

practice, everyone is involved and having a good time. Please feel free to

contact me at curlyqkate2002@... or at www.singoutonline.com

I can go on and on about music therapy and would love to give you some

strategies even to use in your home.

I sure hope this helps

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It has been one of the best things we have done for her. I would definately do

it. If you can't afford individual, there are group session as well taht are

cheaper.

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--We did music therapy for 3-4 years. There are lots of grants and resources to

pay for classes. I think out of 4 yrs of classes- I may have paid for one class

myself. we used local grants and funding to pay for all her music therapy. the

group was more productive.

the group of kids inspire each other.Each kid has a 1-1 aide for the class plus

the teacher. The noises that came out of that class from a class full of kids

singing at the top of their lungs-from kids who " dont talk " surprised every

parent sitting in the next room! Group music is not something to settle for!! I

dont think I would have the results I do for her with individual!!!

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> f you can't afford individual, there are group session as well taht are

cheaper.

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[Guest guest]

thank you for this beautiful article! I just " tweeted " the link to this

as well as your website to share with even more people! Keep up the great work

-the world, and the children with apraxia, need more like you!!

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