Acidophilus

July 1, 1999

Lea, I had a coated looking tongue after being on antibiotics for a while,

even though I was taking acidophilus regularly. I started preparing my

yogurt with 1/2 tsp.acidophilus/bifidophilus, as outlined in my post today.

I did this twice a day mid a.m. and mid p.m., always making sure not to take

it within two hours of my antibiotic. I don't know when it happened, but I

no longer have the coated tongue. I have since dropped back to 1/4 tsp.

powder twice a day. I had some guidance on this with a staff member of a

naturopathic physician. I can't think of any reason why this dosage would

be a problem for you.

I also adhere to a a very rigid (Dr. Crook) diet. My new integrative family

practice physician has even (temporarily at least) taken me off of all

grains. Gosh, talk about what to eat for breakfast! Without bread and

oatmeal, dry cereal, etc., what does one eat for breakfast???? One morning

it was boiled egg and tomatoes, the next fresh cooked cauliflower and tuna

mixed with Nayonaise (a healthy mayonnaise with soy), and this morning

left-over spinach and a boiled egg. I think his thinking is right in line

with Dr. Galland's research that one of our members sent in yesterday or

today. Be sure to read that. It's an eye opener. I really believe that

changes in gut flora and the kind of organisms residing in our guts is the

reason for our illnesses.

Hope this is the kind of info you asked for and needed. If this does not

make sense, please try again.

Billie

rheumatic acidophilus

>From: Lea Tanner <cocka2@...>

>

>Billie - I'm interested in your weight gain since taking the

>acidophilus between meals. I've lost from 123# to 108#. I

>take acidophilus before bed (doctor's recommendation). I'm

>wondering if I should be taking it between meals instead, or

>in addition to bedtime. Do you have any thoughts/experience

>along these lines?

>

>One of these days I'm going to try Olive Leaf and Slippery

>elm but not I'm not ready yet.

>Lea

>

>---------------------------

September 30, 1999

Guestion: I am starting to get stomach symptoms from antibiotics. How much

acidophilus should I take??

Deb-va

September 30, 1999

Hi Deb

whatever amount you are on double it; if that doesn't work, double it again;

if that doesn't work, double it again and again again, if need be.

good luck

best,

lea

<< Guestion: I am starting to get stomach symptoms from antibiotics. How

much

acidophilus should I take??

Deb-va

>>

October 2, 1999

Hi Deb,

I can only answer to what works for me. I take 2 Primadophilus Bifidus

daily, between abx meds. I also take diflucan daily. The best kind of

acidophilus is the refrigerated kind. The label on the bottle says to take

one a day, but I figure two is good for me.

Hugs,

Marta NJ

Tick found in scalp, August 1996. I live in South Jersey

and my tick bite was from here. Tested positive for HME

& Lyme disease in Feb 1997. Have had 6 weeks of IV,

on oral meds for over 3 years now. Suffering from Peripheral

Neuropathy, Herniated cervical discs. Still herx monthly.

>From: DJinMECH@...

>

>Guestion: I am starting to get stomach symptoms from antibiotics. How

much

>acidophilus should I take??

>Deb-va

>

October 2, 1999

There are some of us who cannot take the

acidophilus derived from dairy products due to

lactose intolerance. I am one of them and I am

able to use with success the Kyo-Dophilys from

the health froo store. For anyone that need this

info.

J & M McCoy wrote:

> From: " J & M McCoy " <mlmccoy@...>

>

> Hi Deb,

> I can only answer to what works for me. I take 2 Primadophilus Bifidus

> daily, between abx meds. I also take diflucan daily. The best kind of

> acidophilus is the refrigerated kind. The label on the bottle says to take

> one a day, but I figure two is good for me.

> Hugs,

> Marta NJ

> Tick found in scalp, August 1996. I live in South Jersey

> and my tick bite was from here. Tested positive for HME

> & Lyme disease in Feb 1997. Have had 6 weeks of IV,

> on oral meds for over 3 years now. Suffering from Peripheral

> Neuropathy, Herniated cervical discs. Still herx monthly.

>

> >From: DJinMECH@...

> >

> >Guestion: I am starting to get stomach symptoms from antibiotics. How

> much

> >acidophilus should I take??

> >Deb-va

> >

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October 2, 1999

Acidophilus:

Get the best you can get which is something containing many probiotics along

with Bifidus. It has to have bifidus. I use Jarro-Dophilus which is a seven

species

high potency capsule. Each one contains 3.36 billion organisms. They are non-

dairy too if it matters to you. I take 8 whole caps in the morning with water

and

then I open up two caps to munch on the powder to help my mouth and

esophagus and let it stay there 10 minutes . I repeat at night for a total of 20

capsules each day. Any less doesn't work for me.

Cheryl

October 2, 1999

Thanks Kate, I spent the am in the dr office with esphagitis . Now I have

to take Lidacain in order to eat in order to take the antibiotics. This

sucks. Hurts to eat but havta eat to take the pills. Talk about a catch 22!

Deb-va

October 2, 1999

In a message dated 10/2/1999 4:37:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

swsftwtx@... writes:

<< I am one of them and I am

able to use with success the Kyo-Dophilys from

the health froo store. For anyone that need this

info. >>

Glad u brought that up , I too am lactose intolerant.

Deb-Va

February 8, 2000

Hi Chris:

Natures Way Products, Inc. of Springville, Utah makes Primadophilus which is

enteric coated.

Harry

February 8, 2000

For those people who are in Australia or New Zealand, Blackmore's say that their

acidophilus/bifidus is coated so that it survives the stomach acid and gets

down to the colon.

Chris.

>Ethel is correct on the coated capsules.

>

>They get further into the digestive tract where they are needed before being

>assaulted by the stomach acid.

>

>I was taking them a while back. I'll get the name and specifics for you

>all.

>

>Donna

>Ottawa, Canada

>Scleroderma, Jan.95, AP Oct.97

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>

>>From: Snooks <emsnooks@...>

>>

>>, most acidophilus products on the market today do not survive the

>>gastric acid of the stomach. (Hopefully, we will get time to put this

>>info on our web page soon.)

>>

>>Be sure you take a good product - 20 billion live cells if possible.

>>Drink an 8 ounce glass of water BEFORE you take the acidophilus and

>>drink another 8 ounces with taking it. That way you might not trigger

>>so much acid and will get more of the acidophilus into the upper colon.

>>

>>I was in a meeting with a professor of medicine/researcher last week and

>>we were discussing the candida/leaky gut problems. He mentioned there

>>is now available an enteric-coated acidophilus. The conversation jumped

>>around so quickly I forgot to get the information on availability. I

>>will try to get this information and post it.

>>

>>I also learned of another excellent probiotic called Bifi-15 by Eden

>>Foods. This product does survive the stomach acid. It's my

>>understanding it was developed in Japan. I've heard several people have

>>had some good results with this product. Eden Foods has a website where

>>you can get more information.

>>

>>Ethel

>>

>>Bob Fain wrote:

>>>

>>> From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

>>>

>>> Hey, Group, I have a question. I had my monthly IV a week ago and am in

>>> a herx now. That is not my concern as I know I will come out of it

>>> soon; however, I have a sensation that a vaginal yeast infection is

>>> hovering. I have been taking four PowerAcidolphilis/day. Am I taking

>>> enough? This sensation might also by part of the chronic cyctitis I

>>> suffered for years herxing as I have not had any of it since the five

>>> day IV therapy. Thanks,

>>>

>>> ---------------------------

March 30, 2000

> hi, which product is best in keeping gut healthy especially since

i'm taking

> doxy? and does it matter if the bottle says refrigeration or not? i

havent

> been able to find any that say need to be

refrigerated.....thanks......

> Radha

I use a product called Continental Acidophilus sold at my local

grocery in the specialty foods - refrigerated section.

I also used Bifa 15 - a microencapsulated bifa product (produces

acetic acid).

Others recommned Jarro-dophilus or Flora14 (both from NEEDS)

Whatever you use - make sure it has lots of organisms (like in the

billions).

Marty Z.

March 30, 2000

Any good health food store should have the type that needs to be refrigerated

--where do you live?

steve

Marty Zavala wrote:

>

> > hi, which product is best in keeping gut healthy especially since

> i'm taking

> > doxy? and does it matter if the bottle says refrigeration or not? i

> havent

> > been able to find any that say need to be

> refrigerated.....thanks......

> > Radha

>

> I use a product called Continental Acidophilus sold at my local

> grocery in the specialty foods - refrigerated section.

>

> I also used Bifa 15 - a microencapsulated bifa product (produces

> acetic acid).

>

> Others recommned Jarro-dophilus or Flora14 (both from NEEDS)

>

> Whatever you use - make sure it has lots of organisms (like in the

> billions).

>

> Marty Z.

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April 1, 2000

Refrigerated ones are very hard to find in some areas Rad......

I use Micro plex,pro-biotic complex w/enzymes.

I think even for healthys at this time with foods etc. should try some sort

of acidophilis...

May 1, 2000

I have been on versions of the AP for 8 years and my first doctor recommended

using Primadophilus from a local " real " health store (GNC is not considered a

health store). He told me to take 4-6 pills a day when I was on the high dose

IV antibiotics, but now on orals I can get away with 2-3 pills 2-3 times a

week. It has worked very well for me. I have never had a problem with the

yeast/urinary tract infections, etc.

Several important points:

1. It is important that the acidophilus you choose be a refrigerated

kind--this will have the highest concentration of good bacteria.

2. Take acidophilus 2 hours after your antibiotic or any antibiotic

alternative such as colloidal silver, olive leaf extract, etc

You can assist with yogurt, but yogurt alone will not be enough to replace

the good bacteria--you'd have to eat an unhealthy amount to equal one

primadophilus. The idea is the antibiotic kills both good and bad bacteria

and you need the good bacteria replaced in your gut to prevent urinary tract

infections and ... I don't know what else --someone else may have a better

idea of all its preventative abilities (leaky gut too, if I remember right).

HTH

<< I have read that taking acidophilus is an important part of the AP. Can

anyone provide some info on where to buy, type (powder vs. pill) and any

other relevant info.

Thanks.

Jim

>>

May 19, 2000

I've read in many posts how acidophilus and other good bacteria only survive

a few hours in the gut. But couldn't there still be some long term benefits

even if this is the case? I've been on a probiotic product for the past 3

months. I've seen slow improvements in my gut as a result. For example;

since the early years of my sickness I had one very dry bowel movement per

day; now I have usually 2 loose bowel movements per day. (I've read that if

the gut is working right you should have 2-3 loose ones per day). I would

also imagine some of my other health improvements are a result of this

product's beneficial effect on my gut. BTW the product I take; which has 7

strains including acidophilus and 12 billion IU per 1/4 teaspoon is

jarro-dophilus. Its really cheap; only $10 for a hundred servings of the 12

billion IU.

-JOey

May 20, 2000

Hi, ,

>I've read in many posts how acidophilus and other good bacteria only

>survive a few hours in the gut. But couldn't there still be some long term

>benefits even if this is the case?

I wonder about the testing that was done to establish this - would they have

found any organisms that managed to adhere to the gut wall? Since this is

where their effects should be seen (competing for binding spaces with

pathogens/other baddies in the gut). If they did manage to adhere they would

remain longer, perhaps long enough to have semi-permanent effects.

Jerry

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September 20, 2000

it may not have been the acidophilus. check to see if the brand you take has

any fillers. Did you ingest anything else before feeling sick? I had an

allergic reaction to the vitamins i was taking for three months and was

convinced it was the bagels i was eating. as it turned out a friend of mine

told me to read off the ingredients in my vitamins and sure enough there was

some sort of sulfur in them. as a victim of candidiasis i have developed

numerous allergies (you probably have as well). i cannot imagine that you

would be allergic to the acidophilus seeing as it occurs naturally in our

systems (but i'm no expert) try it again and if you have the same reaction,

my advice is-try a different brand. another thing is, check to see if the

acidophilus is dairy-free this may cause allergies.

just to let everyone know,

i am doing really well on the sf-722 by thorne research, my new enteric

coated acidophilus and other vitamins (sans sulfur). i actually feel like

having sex again!...very cool.

raen

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September 21, 2000

Hi Raen,

I looked at the bottle - you know there is very little information

on there! I will look again tonight more closely. I will also check my

vitamins also.

It was weird. I wish the SF722 was readily available in Australia. I

will be seeing a naturopath soon to help coordinate it all.....

i actually feel like

having sex again!...very cool.

Oh, I needed that laugh! I know where you are coming from. I prominent

symptom but one not often discussed!

Thank you

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September 22, 2000

Someone at a health shop told me that if I started taking

high strength acidophilus straight away without slowly building up in

strength that I might feel a bit queasy to start off - so it could be

the yeast reacting to it. But if you've been taking it for 2

weeks, I would have thought that things would have settled down

by now. Maybe you should change make. It also pays to buy a good

quality acidophilus because you can find that cheap versions don't

have any live bacteria in. I've tried making yoghurt with

acidophilus capsules and Solgar capsules worked but Holland &

Barrett capsules didn't do a thing (I don't know if you get these

makes in the US but we have them in England).

Pete

> Hi,

> This may sound weird but does it sometimes happen that you can have

an

> allergic reaction to the acidophilus powder. I have been taking it

with

> water for about 2 weeks now. This morning I took it before

breakfast

and

> felt so nauseous afterwards, I thought I was going to throw up. I

am

still

> feeling nauseous with some indigestion.

> Any advice?

> Thank you

> angela

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September 24, 2000

Sounds like you're experiencing die-off. I'd stick with the acidophilus

(check with your naturopath or professional health care practitioner, though).

~

In a message dated 9/20/00 6:33:15 PM Central Daylight Time,

angela.blazely@... writes:

<<

Hi,

This may sound weird but does it sometimes happen that you can have an

allergic reaction to the acidophilus powder. I have been taking it with

water for about 2 weeks now. This morning I took it before breakfast and

felt so nauseous afterwards, I thought I was going to throw up. I am still

feeling nauseous with some indigestion.

Any advice?

Thank you

angela

>>

September 24, 2000

There are dairy based and non-based probiotics. Check which one yours is the

dairy based are supposed to be more effective but not if you cannot tolerate

dairy. If so, try the dairy free variety.

Crystal

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angela.blazely@... writes:

<< This may sound weird but does it sometimes happen that you can have an

allergic reaction to the acidophilus powder. >>

September 25, 2000

Thank you to all with the advice on acidophilus. I think mine is

dairy based. I am taking it with food now and it is better than on an empty

stomach.

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November 7, 2000

-----

From: " Yumi " <yumig@...>

< egroups>

Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 4:18 PM

Subject: [ ] acidophilus

> Does anybody know if acidophilus is not recommended for cancer patient?

> >

REPLY;

Hello Yumi,

Sorry I would like to answer about acidophilis but am allergic to it.

If you have time get the " Cancer " books by Linus ing, from the

library?

I think ing and Cameron make sense. I would take a teaspoon of

Vitamin C six times a day If I had cancer.

Regards, Lorenzo

December 20, 2000

Henry,

I have taken cayenne in large doses for over 25 years, but was recently

convinced by Dr. Schulze's reasons for NOT taking it in capsule form. If

you take the same amount directly in the mouth, instead of encapsulated,

you will likely find that the blistering doesn't happen. Dr. Schulze

describes cayenne capsules as " ambushing " the stomach when they open.

The thing that amazes me now that I am eating it directly is that after

only one week, one 00 capsule worth of cayenne in my mouth is no longer

very hot at all. I am going to double the amount next time I make tar

tar sauce.

jim

Henry wrote:

>

> Lenny, congratulations on your wonderful improvement. I have found

> that cayenne is great for many things, but if you take too much you can

> blister yourself inside and out. If your lips begin to feel funny and

> blistery or peely, then maybe cut back some of the cayenne and see if it

> gets better. I was taking 4 solidly packed double 00 capsules of herbal

> store quality cayenne and behold the blistered lips. I figured that the

> same was happening inside. When I cut back drastically the lips

> healed. If you are getting some blisters on the inside they might allow

> unwanted critters to invade the damaged area--my thinking only here.

> Cutting back on sugar and starches will help you too, as will garlic,

> raw and taken orally and anally. Congratulations, pj

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December 21, 2000

Thanks Henry,

The condition started in about 1997, and continued till several months ago, till

the acidophillus treatment.

Before the treatment, every morning was a dreaded time, of expectant suffering

pain.

I can only conclude I had a colony of toxic producing bacteria, as the

acidophilus seemed to conquer.

I am thankful to be able to use cayenne now.

I use garlic sometimes bountifully. One or two bulbs a day.

Thanks,

Lenny