Cilantro

[Guest guest]

The nearest place that could support us medically is South Africa. So

does anybody know of a Doctor in Cape Town, South Africa who is familiar

with detoxing in autistic children.

Also, I tried cilantro for three day and my son has been improving at

faster rate since. The only problem is I don't know if it is the therapy

(greenspan) which I started round about the same time or it is the

cilantro, two month ago---is anybody familiar with cilantro-- I know Dr

Amy Holmes advises against it, but being in a country where medical

assistance is poor, it seem the next best alterative as I believe my son

had mercury poisoning. Nina

*************

Cilantro seems to work for some, but the problem with it is that

there have been no controlled trials to establish dose and

effectiveness. Of course some might say the same about other

chelators. The main problem is knowing how much chelator is in what

you are using and how much to take, plus no proven effectiveness, just

anecdotal cases.

But you can also get DMSA from www.vrp.com whereever you are.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

About Cilantro, the Mercury Protocol from www.lef.org, says to rub 1 drop on the

wrist two times a day prior to starting Chelation. It looks like cilantro can

be absorbed through the skin. What do you think? Lise

******************

Cilantro extact is absorbable throught the skin. A NAET

practitioner we saw uses cilantro extract but says it is lipid soluable and

opens up cell membranes so other chelators can bring out the mercury, including

from the brain. He uses porphyzyme as a chelator in conjunction with the

cilantrol. Says he's had good experience with this combo. But I don't know

anything about documented results. The only tests he does are kineseology.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

>Has anyone ever tried giving their child cilantro for a few weeks before

getting a hair test done? I'm thinking of trying this so that some of the

mercury (if there is any) might come out and end up in the hair. What do

you all think of this idea? Would once a day be OK to eat fresh cilantro,

or would I need to do it more often?

>

>

Hi ,

May I suggest breking this down into 2 questions and then thinking

about each one separately:

1. would it be a good idea to use some chelation agent prior to

getting a hair test so the the mercury (if there is any) will come

out in the hair?

2. if so, should we use cilantro for this chelation?

For question 1 my opinion is " I don't know, but I would not do so. "

If you had ALREADY done so and had a test with high mercury, I'd

say it means there is high mercury. And I have read reports of

people who do multiple hair tests and get HIGHER mercury levels.

Then again, my (own) mercury level has tested in my hair as " normal "

both times I've done it (once at the beginning of chelation and

once several months into it.) (My hair levels of minerals also

went from " very screwed up " to " normal " during these 2 tests,

and a number of improvements seem to support the idea that I

actually am detoxing mercury.) I think you may want to ask yourself

what you would do if the mercury level was still " normal " after

you'd done this? I don't think it is very conclusive, and I think

the counting rules are more likely to give you a useful result.

(I'm assuming you've already found the counting rules??)

As for the cilantro question, this question comes around regularly.

The issue here is that IF indeed cilantro is a good chelator of

mercury (which it may be) then the issue with " steady bloodstream level "

applies. Another way to say this is that (if Andy is right, which

I think he is, then) ANY effective chelator of mercury is RISKY

unless it is taken often enough to keep a fairly steady level in

blood. Since we don't know what this is for cilantro, that is

difficult. I'm personally very interested in cilantro as a

chelator. Andy recommends using ALA and DMSA and DMPS instead

because we DO know how often is often enough (and probably other

reasons).

best,

Moria

[Guest guest]

All of my sons Drs have recommended that if we use any cilantro, use only

that which has been grown in organic soil because it draws mercury to

itself.(you wouldn't want to put more into the body)

Tiff

Message: 24

Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:09:17 -0800

From: " Lorilyn Teasdale " <kteasda1@...>

Subject: Re: cilantro // Re: zinc overload ?

Also, an interesting thing about cilantro was brought up by Dr. Cave at the

DAN! She suggested that she wouldn't use cilantro grown in her area (she is

in Louisianna) because their soils are so heavily polluted with mercury. So

she is implying that it takes up mercury from the soil, too?

Lorilyn

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

I am one of those who had a really bad experience using cilantro.

According to Andy's book, cilantro " is not adequately well understood

to determine an appropriate dosage or administration schedule " . I

wish I had read Andy's book before I experimented with cilantro and

caused myself considerable harm. It only took 4 small doses to mess

me up ALOT! To give you an idea how bad I was--I thought I was on my

death-bed three different times in that first month, post-cilantro.

But after four months of DMSA+ALA chelation, a very supportive

sister, and many $$ of supplements, I am finally feeling like the

worst is behind me. Thankfully, I didn't try this on my three kids.

They're all being chelated with DMSA+ALA and following the recovery

pattern (can't wait until the yeast is gone, LOL!) as described by

many of the listers here.

I have read on the internet that cilantro mobilizes lead, mercury,

and aluminum. I am not only mercury toxic, but high in aluminum too.

Interestingly, I had no lead in my blood (10 days post-cilanto) and

very little lead in my hair (1 month later) even though I have had

lead exposure at various times throughout my life (and my kids all

have lead issues).

So, if aluminum is an issue along with mercury, then I think that

cilantro is REALLY not a good choice. I think that the risk of

redistribution is higher with cilantro not only because of the

unknowns about dosage and administration, but also because it

mobilizes both. I stirred up too much too fast and really paid the

price.

This is just my personal opinion and experience, I'm no expert...just

lived to tell the tale!

Good luck, Kathy I.

[Guest guest]

I know a practitioner who does mercury detox who used to use cilantro and

porphyrazyme, before starting to use BioCleanse. He said he had good experience

with it; likely still uses it some; I've posted before about his protocol which

includes upregulation. The cilantro is used to open cell membranes to passage

of mercury. The porphyrazyme is for chelation.

Upregulation is used to speed up blood flow to the areas being chelated, and

speed up the chelation process, especially of the brain. He says that cilantro

should be used with a chelator.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

Yeah, and lots of DMPS shooting witch doctors claim they have done

3,000 people and never had a problem. I don't believe it (see

www.dmpsbackfire.com for what becomes of 1 in 6, or 500 out of 3000).

So any practitioner who can't talk about problems in detox obviously

is too demented, stupid or incompetent to be in practice if they've

been doing it for very long at all.

I have certainly heard lots of terrible problems with " my " protocol,

and consulted on cases where for a couple of people I simply have not

been able to get it to work try as they and I might.

I believe my protocol is far safer than any other around, but the only

safe protocol is to do nothing, or take a placebo (of which there are

many expensive ones for sale nowadays).

Andy . . . .. . . . . .. . . .

> I know a practitioner who does mercury detox who used to use

cilantro and porphyrazyme, before starting to use BioCleanse. He said

he had good experience with it; likely still uses it some; I've posted

before about his protocol which includes upregulation. The cilantro

is used to open cell membranes to passage of mercury. The porphyrazyme

is for chelation.

> Upregulation is used to speed up blood flow to the areas being

chelated, and speed up the chelation process, especially of the brain.

He says that cilantro should be used with a chelator.

> Bernie

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message ha

[Guest guest]

> Exactly how dangerous is cilantro?

Extremely if you have a lot of mercury floating around, not at all if

you don't.

>I really like the flavor of it, and

> am growing some organically for cooking. It is in a lot of Indian and

> Mexican recipes. Would several leaves be enough to cause problems?

I don't know. Probably not. Depends on your situation.

Andy . . . . . .. .

[Guest guest]

Might be safe, might not, no real way to tell.

I'd suggest for people who are actively detoxing, do scrupulously avoid

it IF YOU CAN, that is if you make the chutney, you can leave it out.

Andy . . . . . .

> What about eating a very small amount of cilantro occasionally as part of a

> condiment? We are starting on the Sally Fallon diet, and I just made

pineapple

> chutney, which contains cilantro.

> Jukoski

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To ALL

I never mentioned, that ALL my patients shows physical improvement and

laboratory results showing disminished levels of mercury.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 08:40:12 -0300, Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

<director@...> wrote:

>

> J Herb Pharmacother. 2004;4(2):1-10. Related Articles, Links

>

> Antioxidant activity of the aqueous extracts of spicy food

additives--evaluation and comparison with ascorbic acid in in-vitro systems.

>

> Satyanarayana S, Sushruta K, Sarma GS, Srinivas N, Subba Raju GV.

>

> Pharmacology Division, Department of Pharmaceutical Services, Andhra

University, Visakhapatnam, Andhra Pradesh 530-003, India. nandinisai@...

>

> The antioxidant activity of the aqueous extracts of five umbelliferous

fruits--caraway (Carum carvi), coriander (Coriandrum sativum), cumin (Cuminum

cyminum), dill (Anethum graveolens) and fennel (Foeniculum vulgare)--were

investigated in comparison with the known antioxidant ascorbic acid in in vitro

studies. The amount of aqueous extract of these five umbelliferous fruits and

ascorbic acid needed for 50% scavenging of superoxide radicals was found to be

105 microg (caraway), 370 microg (coriander), 220 microg (cumin), 190 microg

(dill), 205 microg (fennel) and 260 microg (ascorbic acid). The amount needed

for 50% inhibition of lipid peroxide was 2100 microg (caraway), 4500 microg

(coriander), 4300 microg (cumin), 3100 microg (dill), 4600 microg (fennel) and

5000 microg (ascorbic acid). The quantity needed for 50% inhibition of hydroxyl

radicals was 1150 microg (caraway), 1250 microg (coriander), 470 microg (cumin),

575 microg (dill), 700 microg (fennel) and 4500 microg (ascorbic acid). The

daily use of the above fruits in various forms is very common in India and the

present study revealed strong antioxidant activity of their extracts that was

superior to known antioxidant ascorbic acid and indicate their intake may be

beneficial as food additives.

>

> PMID: 15364640 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is some evidence that there is something in cilantro that does

chelate mercury. But no one knows what the active ingredient is.

There is no way to standardize the product and there is no way to

determine how to dose it properly. The risk is that it will grab

mercury, carry it into the brain or other sensitive tissues, and leave

it there leading to permanent worsening. There are lots and lots of

reports in various chelation group archives from people who have used

cilantro and have reported serious worsening of symptoms. Not a

good idea for a mercury poisoned person. A person can do lots and

lots of damage consuming an herb.

>

> Can anyone here provide me with advice on trying to chelate mercury

> from someone with mercury fillings in their teeth? I have read that

> one should never ever attempt to do this, as it just keeps on pulling

> the mercury out of your tooth fillings, and you end up with a worth

> situation than before. It is my understanding that the mercury that

> was once relatively inert is now mobilized and moving all thru your

> body, which I guess isn't good. Is this correct?

>

> I also understand that chelation is a two step process, in that first

> the mercury has to be dislodged, and then removed from the body. And

> these processes require different chemicals.

>

> Is all of the above a consideration when using the 'natural' forms of

> chelation? I had begun ingesting some rather copious amounts of

> cilantro, as a sort of poor man's chelation therapy on myself,

> thinking, perhaps erroneously so, that cilantro had to be pretty

> harmless. It's a plant, after all, and how much damage could a person

> do by consuming an herb?

[Guest guest]

>It's a plant, after all, and how much damage could a person

>do by consuming an herb?

Well, if you really believe this, then try some of an herb called

hemlock....

Byt seriously, cilantro seems to pull random amounts of mercury from

amalgams (the problem with chelating with cilantro is than regulation

and consistency is a problem) and people have been harmed.

Have you read Cutlers book? Have you been to the

frequent-dose-chelation group on ? Lots of good info there.

[Guest guest]

> >It's a plant, after all, and how much damage could a person

> >do by consuming an herb?

>

>Well, if you really believe this, then try some of an herb called

>hemlock....

Ha :/ Well, I don't really; the question was kind of rhetorical. I guess I

was hoping for some response along the lines of " cilantro has be shown to

be different from other chelating agents cause of blah blah blah, and as

such, is perfectly SAFE! " Seriously, I knew better tho..

I guess I should start taking more cues from my daughter, who's more

inclined to just accept herself as she is.

Now, what am I supposed to do with all of this cilantro? Open a mexican

restaurant?

>Have you read Cutlers book? Have you been to the

>frequent-dose-chelation group on ? Lots of good info there.

No I haven't. But I will look into it.

Thanks for the info.

[Guest guest]

> There are lots and lots of

>reports in various chelation group archives from people who have used

>cilantro and have reported serious worsening of symptoms. Not a

>good idea for a mercury poisoned person. A person can do lots and

>lots of damage consuming an herb.

>

That's what I was afraid of. Am glad I wrote. Thank you for the info.

[Guest guest]

>

> Can anyone here provide me with advice on trying to chelate mercury

> from someone with mercury fillings in their teeth? I have read that

> one should never ever attempt to do this, as it just keeps on

pulling

> the mercury out of your tooth fillings, and you end up with a worth

> situation than before. It is my understanding that the mercury that

> was once relatively inert is now mobilized and moving all thru your

> body, which I guess isn't good. Is this correct?

You are correct that chelating w/amalgams is a bad idea.

The " advice " would be to get the amalgams replaced.

>

> I also understand that chelation is a two step process, in that

first

> the mercury has to be dislodged, and then removed from the body.

And

> these processes require different chemicals.

I think the above is incorrect.

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Let me say before I begin that I am NOT recommending

the use of cilantro as a chelation agent.

>

> There is some evidence that there is something in cilantro that

does

> chelate mercury. But no one knows what the active ingredient is.

Knowing what the active ingredient is is not necessary or

important. Knowing it would make it easier to SYNTHESIZE.

> There is no way to standardize the product and there is no way to

> determine how to dose it properly.

I do not think this is a big limitation. I know some parts of

the answer to this (in detail), while other parts I do not know

enough about commercial herbal preparations. I can tell you

for sure that making a large amount of a tincture of cilantro

is quite easy. If I thought this was a good route to

recommend, I'd post directions on a regular basis, it is very

easy.

I think HOW MUCH to use is somewhat of an issue, due to lack

of hordes of people doing it, studying it, and reporting on it.

But the BIG problem, from my POV, is not knowing how long the

cilantro is active in the bloodstream-- that is, not knowing

HOW OFTEN to take it.

> The risk is that it will grab

> mercury, carry it into the brain or other sensitive tissues, and

leave

> it there leading to permanent worsening. There are lots and lots

of

> reports in various chelation group archives from people who have

used

> cilantro and have reported serious worsening of symptoms.

, if you have access to any of these reports, could you

kindly write to me privately about it? I have been reading

chelation lists (some off and on) for years and I've yet to

read more than a handful (at most) of reports of " serious

worsening symptoms " . I think the ones I've read are significant

(as I think ANY negative reports are significant ) but

I have seen VERY few reports (negative or positive).

I would be very interested in more. If they are on THIS list,

I'd especially like post numbers.

thanks,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I, too would like to see and read those hundreds of reports about cilantro.

M.D.

2005/8/8, moriamerri <moriam@...>:

>

> Let me say before I begin that I am NOT recommending

> the use of cilantro as a chelation agent.

>

>

> >

> > There is some evidence that there is something in cilantro that

> does

> > chelate mercury. But no one knows what the active ingredient is.

>

> Knowing what the active ingredient is is not necessary or

> important. Knowing it would make it easier to SYNTHESIZE.

>

> > There is no way to standardize the product and there is no way to

> > determine how to dose it properly.

>

> I do not think this is a big limitation. I know some parts of

> the answer to this (in detail), while other parts I do not know

> enough about commercial herbal preparations. I can tell you

> for sure that making a large amount of a tincture of cilantro

> is quite easy. If I thought this was a good route to

> recommend, I'd post directions on a regular basis, it is very

> easy.

>

> I think HOW MUCH to use is somewhat of an issue, due to lack

> of hordes of people doing it, studying it, and reporting on it.

>

> But the BIG problem, from my POV, is not knowing how long the

> cilantro is active in the bloodstream-- that is, not knowing

> HOW OFTEN to take it.

>

>

> > The risk is that it will grab

> > mercury, carry it into the brain or other sensitive tissues, and

> leave

> > it there leading to permanent worsening. There are lots and lots

> of

> > reports in various chelation group archives from people who have

> used

> > cilantro and have reported serious worsening of symptoms.

>

> , if you have access to any of these reports, could you

> kindly write to me privately about it? I have been reading

> chelation lists (some off and on) for years and I've yet to

> read more than a handful (at most) of reports of " serious

> worsening symptoms " . I think the ones I've read are significant

> (as I think ANY negative reports are significant ) but

> I have seen VERY few reports (negative or positive).

> I would be very interested in more. If they are on THIS list,

> I'd especially like post numbers.

>

> thanks,

> Moria

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Look through the archives in this group, and in the frequent dose

chelation, adult metal chelation and amalgam list archives. It is a

time consuming task but well worth the effort.

> > >

> > > There is some evidence that there is something in cilantro that

> > does

> > > chelate mercury. But no one knows what the active ingredient is.

> >

> > Knowing what the active ingredient is is not necessary or

> > important. Knowing it would make it easier to SYNTHESIZE.

> >

> > > There is no way to standardize the product and there is no way to

> > > determine how to dose it properly.

> >

> > I do not think this is a big limitation. I know some parts of

> > the answer to this (in detail), while other parts I do not know

> > enough about commercial herbal preparations. I can tell you

> > for sure that making a large amount of a tincture of cilantro

> > is quite easy. If I thought this was a good route to

> > recommend, I'd post directions on a regular basis, it is very

> > easy.

> >

> > I think HOW MUCH to use is somewhat of an issue, due to lack

> > of hordes of people doing it, studying it, and reporting on it.

> >

> > But the BIG problem, from my POV, is not knowing how long the

> > cilantro is active in the bloodstream-- that is, not knowing

> > HOW OFTEN to take it.

> >

> >

> > > The risk is that it will grab

> > > mercury, carry it into the brain or other sensitive tissues, and

> > leave

> > > it there leading to permanent worsening. There are lots and lots

> > of

> > > reports in various chelation group archives from people who have

> > used

> > > cilantro and have reported serious worsening of symptoms.

> >

> > , if you have access to any of these reports, could you

> > kindly write to me privately about it? I have been reading

> > chelation lists (some off and on) for years and I've yet to

> > read more than a handful (at most) of reports of " serious

> > worsening symptoms " . I think the ones I've read are significant

> > (as I think ANY negative reports are significant ) but

> > I have seen VERY few reports (negative or positive).

> > I would be very interested in more. If they are on THIS list,

> > I'd especially like post numbers.

> >

> > thanks,

> > Moria

[Guest guest]

>>Hi ,

>>Look through the archives in this group, and in the frequent dose

>>chelation, adult metal chelation and amalgam list archives. It is >>a time

consuming task but well worth the effort.

>>

I have an Excel spread sheet of all the post numbers from this list up to the

time I asked about cilantro some months back. I just haven't gone through them

yet to break it down to what fits Moria's criteria, what is useful to me, etc.

I don't see any reason for folks to duplicate that effort (of course, the oldest

post numbers wouldn't be valid anymore, since the problem we had with the

arcghives, but I doubt it is a huge number).

Michele in California

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[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > There is some evidence that there is something in cilantro that

> > does

> > > chelate mercury. But no one knows what the active ingredient

is.

> >

> > Knowing what the active ingredient is is not necessary or

> > important. Knowing it would make it easier to SYNTHESIZE.

> >

> > > There is no way to standardize the product and there is no way

to

> > > determine how to dose it properly.

> >

> > I do not think this is a big limitation. I know some parts of

> > the answer to this (in detail), while other parts I do not know

> > enough about commercial herbal preparations. I can tell you

> > for sure that making a large amount of a tincture of cilantro

> > is quite easy. If I thought this was a good route to

> > recommend, I'd post directions on a regular basis, it is very

> > easy.

> >

> > I think HOW MUCH to use is somewhat of an issue, due to lack

> > of hordes of people doing it, studying it, and reporting on it.

> >

> > But the BIG problem, from my POV, is not knowing how long the

> > cilantro is active in the bloodstream-- that is, not knowing

> > HOW OFTEN to take it.

> >

> >

> > > The risk is that it will grab

> > > mercury, carry it into the brain or other sensitive tissues,

and

> > leave

> > > it there leading to permanent worsening. There are lots and

lots

> > of

> > > reports in various chelation group archives from people who

have

> > used

> > > cilantro and have reported serious worsening of symptoms.

> >

> > , if you have access to any of these reports, could you

> > kindly write to me privately about it? I have been reading

> > chelation lists (some off and on) for years and I've yet to

> > read more than a handful (at most) of reports of " serious

> > worsening symptoms " . I think the ones I've read are significant

> > (as I think ANY negative reports are significant ) but

> > I have seen VERY few reports (negative or positive).

> > I would be very interested in more. If they are on THIS list,

> > I'd especially like post numbers.

> >

> > thanks,

> > Moria

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

> >>Hi ,

> >>Look through the archives in this group, and in the frequent dose

> >>chelation, adult metal chelation and amalgam list archives. It

is >>a time consuming task but well worth the effort.

> >>

>

> I have an Excel spread sheet of all the post numbers from this

list up to the time I asked about cilantro some months back. I just

haven't gone through them yet to break it down to what fits Moria's

criteria, what is useful to me, etc. I don't see any reason for

folks to duplicate that effort (of course, the oldest post numbers

wouldn't be valid anymore, since the problem we had with the

arcghives, but I doubt it is a huge number).

The old ones are still useful--- just have to use the URL

on onibasu instead of here. Don't abandon any post numbers

due to being " too old " !!

good wishes,

Moria

>

>

> Michele in California

>

> calif.michele@s...

> webmaster@c...

>

>

> Visit Michele's World! of (Twice) Exceptional Homeschooling

> http://www.califmichele.com

>

> " Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by

understanding. " -- Albert Einstein

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>The old ones are still useful--- just have to use the URL

on onibasu instead of here. Don't abandon any post numbers

due to being " too old " !!

I won't abandon them. Never planned to. :-) I just don't know how easy it will

be to figure out the new location -- the URL there. I may not bother with going

to the trouble for those early posts (but can leave them in when I hand you a

copy of the data). For my purposes, my research is mostly to understand

something which is largely a " fait accompli " -- a done deal, an accomplished

fact. Maybe I will revise my goals at some point, but for the moment, that is

where it stands.

I will let you know when I have sorted through them and can give you some data

that is more than just a long list of post numbers.

Michele in California

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[Guest guest]

Page 4, paragraph 4 talks about the inadvisability of taking cilantro while you

have chronic metal toxicity. This would be pure cilantro, not the HMD, of

course. Interesting.

[ ] Cilantro

You go first with the cilantro, I'll be right behind you.

this sounds like a positive invitation. That is certainly the way I

would prefer to take it.

Mark

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Why, Mark, I'm shocked!! Of course I do.

[ ] Cilantro

You go first with the cilantro, I'll be right behind you.

this sounds like a positive invitation. That is certainly the way I

would prefer to take it.

Mark

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

>

> A friend of mine started chelating her child with cilantro. He is 5

yrs old.

> She informed me that he sweats a lot more than usual. Is that caused by

> cilantro ? Could it mean that he is dextoxifying ?

Sweating is commonly caused by detox. It might be the cilantro

helping his body detox, or he might be having a negative reaction to

the cilantro itself, causing his body to try to detox from it.

Dana