Re: cacao?

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On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:51 PM, tisjewel art wrote:

> Is there a cacao or cocoa bean eo?

Yes but not in eo form that I've seen, from the suppliers in the

suppliers section of the group. The cocoa absolute from Eden

Botanicals is $26 an ounce.

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On Aug 11, 2008, at 3:51 PM, tisjewel art wrote:

> Is there a cacao or cocoa bean eo?

Yes but not in eo form that I've seen, from the suppliers in the

suppliers section of the group. The cocoa absolute from Eden

Botanicals is $26 an ounce.

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Yes but not in eo form that I've seen, from the suppliers in the

suppliers section of the group. The cocoa absolute from Eden

Botanicals is $26 an ounce.

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I've only ever seen the fragrance oil for " chocolate " , but never the eo or

absolute, so thank you! I'll check it out.

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>

> > Is there a cacao or cocoa bean eo?

>

> Yes but not in eo form that I've seen, from the suppliers in the

> suppliers section of the group. The cocoa absolute from Eden

> Botanicals is $26 an ounce.

White Lotus also has both the absolute and the CO2. (I've ordered the

absolute from both Eden and White Lotus, and there's no discernable

scent difference to my newbie-ish nose.) The absolute does make for

some **serious** deliciousness. I've made several people's eyes go

very very wide when I let them sniff it.

The CO2 seems to be newish and I just ordered some. It's also SOLID,

looks like cocoa butter. Anyone else worked with cocoa CO2? Is it

time to break out the double boiler and dental tools or is there some

other mysterious secret to working with it?

Thanks,

Karoline

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>

> > Is there a cacao or cocoa bean eo?

>

> Yes but not in eo form that I've seen, from the suppliers in the

> suppliers section of the group. The cocoa absolute from Eden

> Botanicals is $26 an ounce.

White Lotus also has both the absolute and the CO2. (I've ordered the

absolute from both Eden and White Lotus, and there's no discernable

scent difference to my newbie-ish nose.) The absolute does make for

some **serious** deliciousness. I've made several people's eyes go

very very wide when I let them sniff it.

The CO2 seems to be newish and I just ordered some. It's also SOLID,

looks like cocoa butter. Anyone else worked with cocoa CO2? Is it

time to break out the double boiler and dental tools or is there some

other mysterious secret to working with it?

Thanks,

Karoline

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Doesn't Cacao need a emulsifier ?

I have just looked into the files and cannot find much on the topic.

(perhaps I did not search long enough)

In the past I have purchased vanilla and some others that did not

break down in alcohol. I see on White Lotus that they now warn you

about those that do need emulsifier.

Can anyone offer more info on this topic?

Katlyn

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Doesn't Cacao need a emulsifier ?

I have just looked into the files and cannot find much on the topic.

(perhaps I did not search long enough)

In the past I have purchased vanilla and some others that did not

break down in alcohol. I see on White Lotus that they now warn you

about those that do need emulsifier.

Can anyone offer more info on this topic?

Katlyn

[Guest guest]

White Lotus also has both the absolute and the CO2. (I've ordered the

absolute from both Eden and White Lotus, and there's no discernable

scent difference to my newbie-ish nose.) The absolute does make for

some **serious** deliciousness. I've made several people's eyes go

very very wide when I let them sniff it.

The CO2 seems to be newish and I just ordered some. It's also SOLID,

looks like cocoa butter. Anyone else worked with cocoa CO2? Is it

time to break out the double boiler and dental tools or is there some

other mysterious secret to working with it?

Thanks,

Karoline

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Hi Karoline

I've got the Cocoa CO2 that you mention. And yep, it looks like cocoa butter,

smells like cocoa butter, and when I put some on the back of my hand, it melted

just like cocoa butter. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.....?????

I've never actually used it for anything. Bought it out of curiosity really. But

I'm sure if you heat it gently, it will liquify quite readily like it did on the

back of my hand. Wonder if it will be soluble in alcohol or just in oil?

Patty

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White Lotus also has both the absolute and the CO2. (I've ordered the

absolute from both Eden and White Lotus, and there's no discernable

scent difference to my newbie-ish nose.) The absolute does make for

some **serious** deliciousness. I've made several people's eyes go

very very wide when I let them sniff it.

The CO2 seems to be newish and I just ordered some. It's also SOLID,

looks like cocoa butter. Anyone else worked with cocoa CO2? Is it

time to break out the double boiler and dental tools or is there some

other mysterious secret to working with it?

Thanks,

Karoline

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Hi Karoline

I've got the Cocoa CO2 that you mention. And yep, it looks like cocoa butter,

smells like cocoa butter, and when I put some on the back of my hand, it melted

just like cocoa butter. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck.....?????

I've never actually used it for anything. Bought it out of curiosity really. But

I'm sure if you heat it gently, it will liquify quite readily like it did on the

back of my hand. Wonder if it will be soluble in alcohol or just in oil?

Patty

[Guest guest]

>

> Doesn't Cacao need a emulsifier ?

> Can anyone offer more info on this topic?

>

> Katlyn

I need to pipe in here, because Cocoa Absolute has become the bane of

my existence right now! I do OIL-based perfumes; I don't like alcohol.

I purchased a bottle of very rich-smelling Cocoa Absolute from Eden

Botanicals and was assurred by Barbara that it should blend well with

Fractionated Coconut Oil. Nuh-uh. It sits there like oil in the

clearer Coconut.

Since then, I've tried Grapeseed Oil, Jojoba Oil (which is a wax), and

a few others, and nothing seems to blend with the Cocoa Abs. Even

gently warming them and swirling them together does not get them to

blend.

Any ideas on how to overcome this problem?

Greyson

[Guest guest]

>

> I need to pipe in here, because Cocoa Absolute has become the bane of

> my existence right now! I do OIL-based perfumes; I don't like alcohol.

Ditto. And I spent a bit of time tearing my hair out over it, but

then I did as suggested somewhere in the archives, blended it (and at

a low percentage!) in a double boiler. Did it completely blend? Did

it appear to blend even a smidge? God no. I stuck it in a corner and

ignored it for a month. Then I randomly pulled it out and noticed

that the top 98% of the bottle (the sweet almond oil) has been

perfumed in a lovely manner by the absolute. (The abs is still

sitting at the bottom unblended, but the carrier oil is now gorgeous.)

I haven't done any blending with it yet, mostly just pulled it out to

sniff & let other people's eyes go WIDE with it. and I don't know how

strong it'd be mixed with other oils yet. Being that it'd technically

be a 2% dilution, if it'd diluted, I had a vague thought of making it

a bath oil. It might work well for adding a light chocolate note to a

blend... or a strong one. No clue yet. This stuff smells so edible

I've had to take it away from my foodie friends for their own safety.

I've had thoughts of trying to do a kind of double infusion to try and

make it stronger - to pour off the good stuff that I have and try to

double boil it again with another dose of the abs to see if it'd make

a stronger chocolate, for blending. I haven't a clue if it'd work,

but it seems logical.

> I purchased a bottle of very rich-smelling Cocoa Absolute from Eden

> Botanicals and was assurred by Barbara that it should blend well with

> Fractionated Coconut Oil.

I'd bet a bundle on a mis-communication -- 'cause it says right

there on the site that it " does not blend with fixed oils. "

(http://www.edenbotanicals.com/essentials2.html#cocoa)

*shrug* hope that helped,

Karoline

[Guest guest]

>

> I need to pipe in here, because Cocoa Absolute has become the bane of

> my existence right now! I do OIL-based perfumes; I don't like alcohol.

Ditto. And I spent a bit of time tearing my hair out over it, but

then I did as suggested somewhere in the archives, blended it (and at

a low percentage!) in a double boiler. Did it completely blend? Did

it appear to blend even a smidge? God no. I stuck it in a corner and

ignored it for a month. Then I randomly pulled it out and noticed

that the top 98% of the bottle (the sweet almond oil) has been

perfumed in a lovely manner by the absolute. (The abs is still

sitting at the bottom unblended, but the carrier oil is now gorgeous.)

I haven't done any blending with it yet, mostly just pulled it out to

sniff & let other people's eyes go WIDE with it. and I don't know how

strong it'd be mixed with other oils yet. Being that it'd technically

be a 2% dilution, if it'd diluted, I had a vague thought of making it

a bath oil. It might work well for adding a light chocolate note to a

blend... or a strong one. No clue yet. This stuff smells so edible

I've had to take it away from my foodie friends for their own safety.

I've had thoughts of trying to do a kind of double infusion to try and

make it stronger - to pour off the good stuff that I have and try to

double boil it again with another dose of the abs to see if it'd make

a stronger chocolate, for blending. I haven't a clue if it'd work,

but it seems logical.

> I purchased a bottle of very rich-smelling Cocoa Absolute from Eden

> Botanicals and was assurred by Barbara that it should blend well with

> Fractionated Coconut Oil.

I'd bet a bundle on a mis-communication -- 'cause it says right

there on the site that it " does not blend with fixed oils. "

(http://www.edenbotanicals.com/essentials2.html#cocoa)

*shrug* hope that helped,

Karoline

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I've got the Cocoa CO2 that you mention. And yep, it looks like

cocoa butter, smells like cocoa butter, and when I put some on the

back of my hand, it melted just like cocoa butter. If it looks like a

duck and walks like a duck.....????? I've never actually used it for

anything. Bought it out of curiosity really. But I'm sure if you heat

it gently, it will liquify quite readily like it did on the back of my

hand. Wonder if it will be soluble in alcohol or just in oil?

>

Hey Patty,

I had that thought too (about it seeming to be cocoa butter-ish) - but

I also thought that maybe it'd be one of those things that smells

stronger and more interesting with dilution. Then again, I've used

few commercial products with cocoa butter where I *like* the scent -

usually it seems overwhelming and over-sweet to me. This smelled more

mild in the bottle, maybe even leaning to the white chocolate side of

the force.

As for the dissolving, I bought it with the hopes it would dissolve in

oil. It looks like it will. As soon as it becomes cool enough out

that I can *stand* the idea of cooking and touching hot bottles.

I don't work in alcohol so I can't comment on that though.

Thanks for the sanity check on what to DO with it.

Karoline

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I've got the Cocoa CO2 that you mention. And yep, it looks like

cocoa butter, smells like cocoa butter, and when I put some on the

back of my hand, it melted just like cocoa butter. If it looks like a

duck and walks like a duck.....????? I've never actually used it for

anything. Bought it out of curiosity really. But I'm sure if you heat

it gently, it will liquify quite readily like it did on the back of my

hand. Wonder if it will be soluble in alcohol or just in oil?

>

Hey Patty,

I had that thought too (about it seeming to be cocoa butter-ish) - but

I also thought that maybe it'd be one of those things that smells

stronger and more interesting with dilution. Then again, I've used

few commercial products with cocoa butter where I *like* the scent -

usually it seems overwhelming and over-sweet to me. This smelled more

mild in the bottle, maybe even leaning to the white chocolate side of

the force.

As for the dissolving, I bought it with the hopes it would dissolve in

oil. It looks like it will. As soon as it becomes cool enough out

that I can *stand* the idea of cooking and touching hot bottles.

I don't work in alcohol so I can't comment on that though.

Thanks for the sanity check on what to DO with it.

Karoline

[Guest guest]

Speaking of Cocoa Absolute, does anyone know it's shelf life? That's

a hell of an offer Butch has just made, (THANK YOU!) but I'd hate to

get several ounces when I've no clue how long it'd keep for when I

have a good bit of it right now.

I figure it's somewhere between the shelf life of Sandalwood and

Citrus, but where exactly, I don't know.

Thanks again!

Karoline

[Guest guest]

Speaking of Cocoa Absolute, does anyone know it's shelf life? That's

a hell of an offer Butch has just made, (THANK YOU!) but I'd hate to

get several ounces when I've no clue how long it'd keep for when I

have a good bit of it right now.

I figure it's somewhere between the shelf life of Sandalwood and

Citrus, but where exactly, I don't know.

Thanks again!

Karoline

[Guest guest]

> I need to pipe in here, because Cocoa Absolute has become the bane

of

> my existence right now! I do OIL-based perfumes; I don't like

alcohol.

>

> I purchased a bottle of very rich-smelling Cocoa Absolute from Eden

> Botanicals and was assurred by Barbara that it should blend well

with

> Fractionated Coconut Oil. Nuh-uh. It sits there like oil in the

> clearer Coconut.

>

> Since then, I've tried Grapeseed Oil, Jojoba Oil (which is a wax),

and

> a few others, and nothing seems to blend with the Cocoa Abs. Even

> gently warming them and swirling them together does not get them to

> blend.

>

> Any ideas on how to overcome this problem?

>

> Greyson

Hi Greyson,

Have you tried making a perfume solid? That way you can have an oil

based perfume. I know it's not the same as a liquid, but it's the

best way to emulsify cocoa Abs in an oil base using beeswax.

BTW, I just got a sample of that cocoa abs from Eden and it knocked

my socks off! Don't give up!

Maggie

[Guest guest]

> > I purchased a bottle of very rich-smelling Cocoa Absolute from

Eden

> > Botanicals and was assurred by Barbara that it should blend well

with Fractionated Coconut Oil.

>

> I'd bet a bundle on a mis-communication -- 'cause it says right

> there on the site that it " does not blend with fixed oils. "

> (http://www.edenbotanicals.com/essentials2.html#cocoa)

About 10 days ago I received a sample of Cocoa Abs. but except

sniffing the bottle (and of course letting some friends sniff it

too) I didn't do much with it because it is really very very hot

here for soapmaking right now.

But after reading all your remarks I got a little stressed. So I

took some jojoba oil and pourred a little Cocoa in it. At the

beginning it is like a mass in the jojoba that doesn't disperse. But

after shaking the jar it blended very well. The jojoba turned darker

and after some times i returned to look at the jar and there were no

deposit at the bottom.

Does this mean that Cocoa abs blend well with jojoba or that my

absolute is not of a good quality?

Bella

from Tel Aviv

[Guest guest]

> > I purchased a bottle of very rich-smelling Cocoa Absolute from

Eden

> > Botanicals and was assurred by Barbara that it should blend well

with Fractionated Coconut Oil.

>

> I'd bet a bundle on a mis-communication -- 'cause it says right

> there on the site that it " does not blend with fixed oils. "

> (http://www.edenbotanicals.com/essentials2.html#cocoa)

About 10 days ago I received a sample of Cocoa Abs. but except

sniffing the bottle (and of course letting some friends sniff it

too) I didn't do much with it because it is really very very hot

here for soapmaking right now.

But after reading all your remarks I got a little stressed. So I

took some jojoba oil and pourred a little Cocoa in it. At the

beginning it is like a mass in the jojoba that doesn't disperse. But

after shaking the jar it blended very well. The jojoba turned darker

and after some times i returned to look at the jar and there were no

deposit at the bottom.

Does this mean that Cocoa abs blend well with jojoba or that my

absolute is not of a good quality?

Bella

from Tel Aviv

[Guest guest]

Karoline wrote:

>

>

>> I need to pipe in here, because Cocoa Absolute has become the bane of

>> my existence right now! I do OIL-based perfumes; I don't like alcohol.

>>

>

> I've had thoughts of trying to do a kind of double infusion to try and

> make it stronger - to pour off the good stuff that I have and try to

> double boil it again with another dose of the abs to see if it'd make

> a stronger chocolate, for blending. I haven't a clue if it'd work,

> but it seems logical.

>

>

>> I purchased a bottle of very rich-smelling Cocoa Absolute from Eden

>> Botanicals and was assurred by Barbara that it should blend well with

>> Fractionated Coconut Oil.

>>

>

> I'd bet a bundle on a mis-communication -- 'cause it says right

> there on the site that it " does not blend with fixed oils. "

> (http://www.edenbotanicals.com/essentials2.html#cocoa)

>

Hi Karoline, everyone:

In my experience, cacao abs never blends in oil, but it does impart its

scent if you let it sit and macerate a while. Some absolutes are like

that, and vanilla oleoresin performs that way, too. CC'ing Will on this

so he knows of the chat here.

--

Anya

Anya's Garden http://AnyasGarden.com - perfumes, aromatics, classes,

consultation

Natural Perfumers Guild + blog with daily updates

1500+ member Natural Perfumery group -

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> I purchased a bottle of very rich-smelling Cocoa Absolute from Eden

> Botanicals and was assurred by Barbara that it should blend well

with Fractionated Coconut Oil. Nuh-uh. It sits there like oil in the

> clearer Coconut.

>

> Since then, I've tried Grapeseed Oil, Jojoba Oil (which is a wax),

and a few others, and nothing seems to blend with the Cocoa Abs. Even

> gently warming them and swirling them together does not get them to

> blend.

>

> Any ideas on how to overcome this problem?

>

> Greyson

Hi Greyson,

Have you tried making a perfume solid?

Maggie

Didn't we have a member that made

lip gloss with cacao and choclate?

also cannot you keep the EO in the medium then strain

after you get the desired strength?

[Guest guest]

>

>

> > I need to pipe in here, because Cocoa Absolute has become the bane

> of

> > my existence right now! I do OIL-based perfumes; I don't like

> alcohol.

> >

> > I purchased a bottle of very rich-smelling Cocoa Absolute from Eden

> > Botanicals and was assurred by Barbara that it should blend well

> with

> > Fractionated Coconut Oil. Nuh-uh. It sits there like oil in the

> > clearer Coconut.

> >

> > Since then, I've tried Grapeseed Oil, Jojoba Oil (which is a wax),

> and

> > a few others, and nothing seems to blend with the Cocoa Abs. Even

> > gently warming them and swirling them together does not get them to

> > blend.

> >

> > Any ideas on how to overcome this problem?

> >

> > Greyson

>

> Hi Greyson,

> Have you tried making a perfume solid? That way you can have an oil

> based perfume. I know it's not the same as a liquid, but it's the

> best way to emulsify cocoa Abs in an oil base using beeswax.

> BTW, I just got a sample of that cocoa abs from Eden and it knocked

> my socks off! Don't give up!

> Maggie

>

Hi Maggie, Greyson et al,

I use quite a bit of Cocoa Absolute in perfumes, soaps and lip balms

and purchase it by the pound. I can tell you that it will not fully

incorporate into anything without an emulsifier. In a solid it will

bead or eventually drop to the bottom, but, I have successfully

blended it in lotions which will turn your lotion a chocolate milk

color if you don't mind (I never did) but it's heavenly.

I have an amazing soap right now with a blend of Eden Botanicals amber

resins, cocoa absolute, guiaicwood, amyris and a bit of jasmine sambac

absolute and it looks like dark rich chocolate! Yum.

If you want it for perfumes the best choice is to infuse it your blend

with regular gentle mixing and then let it age age age. The longer the

better, but the scent does transfer. I make a very popular perfume

with Cocoa Absolute but it takes plenty of time to age.

aka Trace

My Skin Soap Studio

www.myskinsoapstudio.com

[Guest guest]

thanks everyone, it's been a great educational day!

dabney

[Guest guest]

>hen I randomly pulled it out and noticed

that the top 98% of the bottle (the sweet almond oil) has been

perfumed in a lovely manner by the absolute. (The abs is still

sitting at the bottom unblended, but the carrier oil is now gorgeous.>

Thats what i have been doing too! Carefully siphoned off the top and

left the brown at the bottom.but it would be nice to have full strength.

Katlyn

[Guest guest]

> I use quite a bit of Cocoa Absolute in perfumes, soaps and lip balms

> and purchase it by the pound. I can tell you that it will not fully

> incorporate into anything without an emulsifier. In a solid it will

> bead or eventually drop to the bottom, but, I have successfully

> blended it in lotions which will turn your lotion a chocolate milk

> color if you don't mind (I never did) but it's heavenly.

> I have an amazing soap right now with a blend of Eden Botanicals amber

> resins, cocoa absolute, guiaicwood, amyris and a bit of jasmine sambac

> absolute and it looks like dark rich chocolate! Yum.

This sounds so lovely! I was thinking of using it in a cream. Looks

like I'm going to have to take Butch up on his Cocoa ABS offer!

Maggie