Re: Navagating the VA Maze - Barb

February 1, 2012

Some types of heart problems are now linked to Agent Orange.

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> > > > > > > > >> >> >Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I had

> > > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication

> > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > >> >> Did you see any studies on that or it's just your

> > > > > experience and intuition, Max?

> > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > >> >> I am very curious because I always suspected that the

> > > > > large dosage different HTN medications caused my diabetes. I like

> > > > > you started Metformin about 10 years being on HTN medications. No

> > > > > family history of diabetes, and I even didn't have marginally

> > > > > numbers. My experience with Metformin is different. Even if I take

> > > > > 2000 mg, my appetite is the same :-)

> > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > >> >> Natalia

> > > > > > > > >> >> From: StudyCircle <studycircle@>

> > > > > > > > >> >> To:

hyperaldosteronism <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40><\

mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40>

> > > > > > > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:08 PM

> > > > > > > > >> >> Subject: RE: Re: Statins linked to

> > > > > diabetes

> > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > >> >> Hi ,

> > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > >> >> I am not sure about the details on this research but I

> > > > > suspect definition of diabetic these days is GLUCF>7.0 mmol/L = 126

> > > > > mg/dL . Assuming that she starts statins now she perhaps get to 16

> > > > > in some 5 years and 126 is not so bad because with some Metformin it

> > > > > can be overcome and another 5 years to level that she might need

> > > > > insulin...something like this...so it's good idea to see what level

> > > > > of diabetics disorder and in how many years one get to such level.

> > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > >> >> Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I had

> > > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication...of

> > > > > course my GLUCF was always marginally high but I was not taking

> > > > > Metformin...and I suspect Metformin reduced my appetite considerably

> > > > > because I am finding myself unable to finish a half plate of food

> > > > > that until last year I could easily finish ! not bad...

> > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > >> >> So basically I assume becoming diabetic is gradual and

> > > > > not as bad as HTN if it is taken care medically, i.e., not allowing

> > > > > glaucoma or cataract ...etc.

> > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > >> >> Max.

> > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > >> >> |Thanks Max, a very timely message for my wife. Her Card

> > > > > just insisted she be

> > > > > > > > >> >> |on statins and I asked her if he did a family HX. He

> > > > > didn't but if he had he

> > > > > > > > >> >> |would have found her Dad died at 84, her Mom at 93 and

> > > > > her Grandmother at

> > > > > > > > >> >> |97. She is the youngest of 8 and 7 are still living,

> > > > > one brother died of colon

> > > > > > > > >> >> |cancer. Of course maybe he just wants to make sure she

> > > > > doesn't die from

> > > > > > > > >> >> |heart attack, it'll be listed as complications due to

> > > > > DM! I printed it and

> > > > > > > > >> >> |suggested she discuss it with him!

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February 1, 2012

Everything is linked to Agent Orange. The H-bomb of the Vietnam conflict.

Barb

RE: Re: Statins linked to > > > > > diabetes> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> Hi ,> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> I am not sure about the details on this research but I > > > > > suspect definition of diabetic these days is GLUCF>7.0 mmol/L = 126 > > > > > mg/dL . Assuming that she starts statins now she perhaps get to 16 > > > > > in some 5 years and 126 is not so bad because with some Metformin it > > > > > can be overcome and another 5 years to level that she might need > > > > > insulin...something like this...so it's good idea to see what level > > > > > of diabetics disorder and in how many years one get to such level.> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I had > > > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication...of > > > > > course my GLUCF was always marginally high but I was not taking > > > > > Metformin...and I suspect Metformin reduced my appetite considerably > > > > > because I am finding myself unable to finish a half plate of food > > > > > that until last year I could easily finish ! not bad...> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> So basically I assume becoming diabetic is gradual and > > > > > not as bad as HTN if it is taken care medically, i.e., not allowing > > > > > glaucoma or cataract ...etc.> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> Max.> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> |Thanks Max, a very timely message for my wife. Her Card > > > > > just insisted she be> > > > > > > > >> >> |on statins and I asked her if he did a family HX. He > > > > > didn't but if he had he> > > > > > > > >> >> |would have found her Dad died at 84, her Mom at 93 and > > > > > her Grandmother at> > > > > > > > >> >> |97. She is the youngest of 8 and 7 are still living, > > > > > one brother died of colon> > > > > > > > >> >> |cancer. Of course maybe he just wants to make sure she > > > > > doesn't die from> > > > > > > > >> >> |heart attack, it'll be listed as complications due to > > > > > DM! I printed it and> > > > > > > > >> >> |suggested she discuss it with him!> > > > > > > > >> >> |> > > > > > > > >> >> |....> > > > > > > > >> >> |> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

February 1, 2012

Thank you darlin'. Much appreciated.

B

RE: Re: Statins linked to > > > > diabetes> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >> Hi ,> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >> I am not sure about the details on this research but I > > > > suspect definition of diabetic these days is GLUCF>7.0 mmol/L = 126 > > > > mg/dL . Assuming that she starts statins now she perhaps get to 16 > > > > in some 5 years and 126 is not so bad because with some Metformin it > > > > can be overcome and another 5 years to level that she might need > > > > insulin...something like this...so it's good idea to see what level > > > > of diabetics disorder and in how many years one get to such level.> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >> Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I had > > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication...of > > > > course my GLUCF was always marginally high but I was not taking > > > > Metformin...and I suspect Metformin reduced my appetite considerably > > > > because I am finding myself unable to finish a half plate of food > > > > that until last year I could easily finish ! not bad...> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >> So basically I assume becoming diabetic is gradual and > > > > not as bad as HTN if it is taken care medically, i.e., not allowing > > > > glaucoma or cataract ...etc.> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >> Max.> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >> |Thanks Max, a very timely message for my wife. Her Card > > > > just insisted she be> > > > > > > >> >> |on statins and I asked her if he did a family HX. He > > > > didn't but if he had he> > > > > > > >> >> |would have found her Dad died at 84, her Mom at 93 and > > > > her Grandmother at> > > > > > > >> >> |97. She is the youngest of 8 and 7 are still living, > > > > one brother died of colon> > > > > > > >> >> |cancer. Of course maybe he just wants to make sure she > > > > doesn't die from> > > > > > > >> >> |heart attack, it'll be listed as complications due to > > > > DM! I printed it and> > > > > > > >> >> |suggested she discuss it with him!> > > > > > > >> >> |> > > > > > > >> >> |....> > > > > > > >> >> |> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >>> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >>

February 1, 2012

If you haven't been to this link you need to look at it.

http://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/agentorange/

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> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> >Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I

had

> > > > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Did you see any studies on that or it's just your

> > > > > > experience and intuition, Max?

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> I am very curious because I always suspected that the

> > > > > > large dosage different HTN medications caused my diabetes. I like

> > > > > > you started Metformin about 10 years being on HTN medications. No

> > > > > > family history of diabetes, and I even didn't have marginally

> > > > > > numbers. My experience with Metformin is different. Even if I take

> > > > > > 2000 mg, my appetite is the same :-)

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Natalia

> > > > > > > > > >> >> From: StudyCircle <studycircle@>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> To:

hyperaldosteronism <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40><\

mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40><mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40gr\

oups.com>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Subject: RE: Re: Statins linked

to

> > > > > > diabetes

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Hi ,

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> I am not sure about the details on this research but I

> > > > > > suspect definition of diabetic these days is GLUCF>7.0 mmol/L =

126

> > > > > > mg/dL . Assuming that she starts statins now she perhaps get to 16

> > > > > > in some 5 years and 126 is not so bad because with some Metformin

it

> > > > > > can be overcome and another 5 years to level that she might need

> > > > > > insulin...something like this...so it's good idea to see what

level

> > > > > > of diabetics disorder and in how many years one get to such level.

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I

had

> > > > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication...of

> > > > > > course my GLUCF was always marginally high but I was not taking

> > > > > > Metformin...and I suspect Metformin reduced my appetite

considerably

> > > > > > because I am finding myself unable to finish a half plate of food

> > > > > > that until last year I could easily finish ! not bad...

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> So basically I assume becoming diabetic is gradual and

> > > > > > not as bad as HTN if it is taken care medically, i.e., not

allowing

> > > > > > glaucoma or cataract ...etc.

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Max.

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |Thanks Max, a very timely message for my wife. Her

Card

> > > > > > just insisted she be

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |on statins and I asked her if he did a family HX. He

> > > > > > didn't but if he had he

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |would have found her Dad died at 84, her Mom at 93

and

> > > > > > her Grandmother at

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |97. She is the youngest of 8 and 7 are still living,

> > > > > > one brother died of colon

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |cancer. Of course maybe he just wants to make sure

she

> > > > > > doesn't die from

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |heart attack, it'll be listed as complications due to

> > > > > > DM! I printed it and

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |suggested she discuss it with him!

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February 1, 2012

It would be interesting to find out if the study from the UC VA was able to link the exposure to AO in the large number of PAs they foundClarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

Specializing in Primary Aldosteronism, Difficult High Blood Pressure and recent evolutionary forces on high blood pressure in populations today.On Feb 01, 2012, at 01:27 PM, <jclark24p@...> wrote:

I split this out so others can skip if they want to ignore. I could try to explain the registery but I think you will find all you want to know here:

http://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/agentorange/registry.asp

I got intrested in Agent Orange after my PCP pointed me in that direction when I was DXed w/DM. When I saw many tumors were involved I wondered if maybe that would include adrenal tumors. (No HX of DM in my family so I didn't know much about it.) I had assumed only the ones in the field had to worry about AO and I was a computer operator at DaNang AFB. Never considered where it was stockpiled, loaded onto planes and the people that did it! Then I found a study done by Canadian Scientists a couple years ago that concluded that the contamination level at DaNang is still 350 times what would be acceptable in Canada!

I have concluded the DoD/VA system has not even consider if AO could be a cause of PA since they don't even know how to DX it or treat it! In fact I may have DXed more cases than anyone else at the local VA (2)! I DXed the other at 6:45 am one morning while waiting for the van to take us to Boston VA Hospitals for further treatment. He had been there many times while they tried to figure out "what was wrong with him". After he gave all the symptoms of PA I asked if he had been tested for PA. His response, "What?" I asked if he knew his renin level, "What's that?" I then told him they may do a scan of his adrenals and find a small benign tumor. He practically ran accross the lobby and said "They already have and told me it was benign, not to worry about it!" I told him to tell his PCP to check out chapter C167 of the HYPERTENSION PRIMER fourth edition and s/he could confer with my PCP since I have been training her for the last 18 months!

Good luck to you and Tom and if we can help you thru the maze don't hesitate to ask, not that you appear to be the timid type!

- 65 yo super ob., fastidious male - 12mm X 13mm rt. a.adnoma with previous rt. flank pain. Treating with DASH. Stats w/o meds = BP 175/90 HR 59 BS 125. D/C Spironolactone 12/20/2011 due to adverse SX.

Other Issues/Opportunities: OSA w Bi-Pap settings 13/19, DM2, Gynecomastia, MDD and PTSD.

Meds: Duloxetine hcl 80 MG, Metoprolol Tartrate 200 MG, AmlodipineBesylate 10mg, 81mg aspirin and Metformin 2000MG. Started washing Spironolactone 12/20/11 to prepare for AVS.

> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> >Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I had

> > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> Did you see any studies on that or it's just your

> > > > experience and intuition, Max?

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> I am very curious because I always suspected that the

> > > > large dosage different HTN medications caused my diabetes. I like

> > > > you started Metformin about 10 years being on HTN medications. No

> > > > family history of diabetes, and I even didn't have marginally

> > > > numbers. My experience with Metformin is different. Even if I take

> > > > 2000 mg, my appetite is the same :-)

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> Natalia

> > > > > > > >> >> From: StudyCircle <studycircle@>

> > > > > > > >> >> hyperaldosteronism <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40><mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40>

> > > > > > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:08 PM

> > > > > > > >> >> Subject: RE: Re: Statins linked to

> > > > diabetes

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> Hi ,

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> I am not sure about the details on this research but I

> > > > suspect definition of diabetic these days is GLUCF>7.0 mmol/L = 126

> > > > mg/dL . Assuming that she starts statins now she perhaps get to 16

> > > > in some 5 years and 126 is not so bad because with some Metformin it

> > > > can be overcome and another 5 years to level that she might need

> > > > insulin...something like this...so it's good idea to see what level

> > > > of diabetics disorder and in how many years one get to such level.

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I had

> > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication...of

> > > > course my GLUCF was always marginally high but I was not taking

> > > > Metformin...and I suspect Metformin reduced my appetite considerably

> > > > because I am finding myself unable to finish a half plate of food

> > > > that until last year I could easily finish ! not bad...

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> So basically I assume becoming diabetic is gradual and

> > > > not as bad as HTN if it is taken care medically, i.e, not allowing

> > > > glaucoma or cataract ...etc.

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> Max.

> > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > >> >> |Thanks Max, a very timely message for my wife. Her Card

> > > > just insisted she be

> > > > > > > >> >> |on statins and I asked her if he did a family HX. He

> > > > didn't but if he had he

> > > > > > > >> >> |would have found her Dad died at 84, her Mom at 93 and

> > > > her Grandmother at

> > > > > > > >> >> |97. She is the youngest of 8 and 7 are still living,

> > > > one brother died of colon

> > > > > > > >> >> |cancer. Of course maybe he just wants to make sure she

> > > > doesn't die from

> > > > > > > >> >> |heart attack, it'll be listed as complications due to

> > > > DM! I printed it and

> > > > > > > >> >> |suggested she discuss it with him!

> > > > > > > >> >> |

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February 2, 2012

Since this study is in our files VA study on PA.pdf

I got this information from there.

This study was designed to determine whether a computer

database can be used to screen for patients with

resistant hypertension who might have undiagnosed

PA. The prevalence of PA in patients with resistant

hypertension in our study was 21.2%. This is similar

to the 10% to 20% reported by authors from previous

studies.

In order for the VA to link something to AO there it has to be showed there is a

higher incident of the disease in us that have exposure to AO than those that

are not.

This study doesn't give any information on the Vets them selves. As it says

other studies are showing that between 10 and 20% have PA.

I think more studies would have to be done. But first the VA has to get better

at DX PA.

All VA must have about the same numbers that have PA. Not all VA even look for

it Because it is to rare.

> > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> >Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I had

> > > > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Did you see any studies on that or it's just your

> > > > > > experience and intuition, Max?

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> I am very curious because I always suspected that the

> > > > > > large dosage different HTN medications caused my diabetes. I like

> > > > > > you started Metformin about 10 years being on HTN medications. No

> > > > > > family history of diabetes, and I even didn't have marginally

> > > > > > numbers. My experience with Metformin is different. Even if I take

> > > > > > 2000 mg, my appetite is the same :-)

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Natalia

> > > > > > > > > >> >> From: StudyCircle <studycircle@>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> To:

hyperaldosteronism <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40><\

mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Subject: RE: Re: Statins linked to

> > > > > > diabetes

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Hi ,

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> I am not sure about the details on this research but I

> > > > > > suspect definition of diabetic these days is GLUCF>7.0 mmol/L = 126

> > > > > > mg/dL . Assuming that she starts statins now she perhaps get to 16

> > > > > > in some 5 years and 126 is not so bad because with some Metformin it

> > > > > > can be overcome and another 5 years to level that she might need

> > > > > > insulin...something like this...so it's good idea to see what level

> > > > > > of diabetics disorder and in how many years one get to such level.

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I had

> > > > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication...of

> > > > > > course my GLUCF was always marginally high but I was not taking

> > > > > > Metformin...and I suspect Metformin reduced my appetite considerably

> > > > > > because I am finding myself unable to finish a half plate of food

> > > > > > that until last year I could easily finish ! not bad...

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> So basically I assume becoming diabetic is gradual and

> > > > > > not as bad as HTN if it is taken care medically, i.e., not allowing

> > > > > > glaucoma or cataract ...etc.

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Max.

> > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |Thanks Max, a very timely message for my wife. Her Card

> > > > > > just insisted she be

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |on statins and I asked her if he did a family HX. He

> > > > > > didn't but if he had he

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |would have found her Dad died at 84, her Mom at 93 and

> > > > > > her Grandmother at

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |97. She is the youngest of 8 and 7 are still living,

> > > > > > one brother died of colon

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |cancer. Of course maybe he just wants to make sure she

> > > > > > doesn't die from

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |heart attack, it'll be listed as complications due to

> > > > > > DM! I printed it and

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |suggested she discuss it with him!

> > > > > > > > > >> >> |

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February 2, 2012

Any one know who References 11 is in this study.

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> > > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I

had

> > > > > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication

> > > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Did you see any studies on that or it's just your

> > > > > > > experience and intuition, Max?

> > > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> I am very curious because I always suspected that the

> > > > > > > large dosage different HTN medications caused my diabetes. I like

> > > > > > > you started Metformin about 10 years being on HTN medications. No

> > > > > > > family history of diabetes, and I even didn't have marginally

> > > > > > > numbers. My experience with Metformin is different. Even if I take

> > > > > > > 2000 mg, my appetite is the same :-)

> > > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Natalia

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> From: StudyCircle <studycircle@>

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> To:

hyperaldosteronism <mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40><\

mailto:hyperaldosteronism%40>

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Subject: RE: Re: Statins linked

to

> > > > > > > diabetes

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> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Hi ,

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> > > > > > > > > > >> >> I am not sure about the details on this research but I

> > > > > > > suspect definition of diabetic these days is GLUCF>7.0 mmol/L =

126

> > > > > > > mg/dL . Assuming that she starts statins now she perhaps get to 16

> > > > > > > in some 5 years and 126 is not so bad because with some Metformin

it

> > > > > > > can be overcome and another 5 years to level that she might need

> > > > > > > insulin...something like this...so it's good idea to see what

level

> > > > > > > of diabetics disorder and in how many years one get to such level.

> > > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Using HTN medication also is causing diabetes and I

had

> > > > > > > to start Metformin after about 10 years on HTN medication...of

> > > > > > > course my GLUCF was always marginally high but I was not taking

> > > > > > > Metformin...and I suspect Metformin reduced my appetite

considerably

> > > > > > > because I am finding myself unable to finish a half plate of food

> > > > > > > that until last year I could easily finish ! not bad...

> > > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> So basically I assume becoming diabetic is gradual and

> > > > > > > not as bad as HTN if it is taken care medically, i.e., not

allowing

> > > > > > > glaucoma or cataract ...etc.

> > > > > > > > > > >> >>

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Max.

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> > > > > > > > > > >> >> |Thanks Max, a very timely message for my wife. Her

Card

> > > > > > > just insisted she be

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> |on statins and I asked her if he did a family HX. He

> > > > > > > didn't but if he had he

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> |would have found her Dad died at 84, her Mom at 93

and

> > > > > > > her Grandmother at

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> |97. She is the youngest of 8 and 7 are still living,

> > > > > > > one brother died of colon

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> |cancer. Of course maybe he just wants to make sure

she

> > > > > > > doesn't die from

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> |heart attack, it'll be listed as complications due to

> > > > > > > DM! I printed it and

> > > > > > > > > > >> >> |suggested she discuss it with him!

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