Re: Testosterone Test/Updatea

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Breast pain was never an issue which is why I had trouble convincing everyone

that there was a problem! I didn't get anyone's attention until I started

developing bumps in my right breast and then all Hell broke loose! The only

change I note is the left one has continued to grow and has developed its own

bumps. Although I was assured they would regress once I stopped spironolactone,

I have now read that is often not the case if they have been present for over

year and if you want to loose them it's surgery. (If you don't choose that

option, you treat them the same as female breasts. On a positive note you can

spend more quality time with the wife if you schedule your mammograms together!)

I do not need to let them know because they are already aware of it. I let them

know during the initial interview and my PCP included it as part of her referral

letter. I expect their recommendation will guide future treatment.

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> > > > > > I spoke with one of the nurses at the VA yesterday and you will

never believe it, the test I had the other day shows I have low testosterone, GO

FIGURE! I don't have the actual numbers tonight but she said my PCP has written

me a letter and is proposing treatment with either a patch or shot every 2

weeks. (I will defer the answer until my return from NIH. They may have some

suggestions and I probably will not need any extra T down there! ;>) )

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> > > > > > I need to " get on the stump " and ask again, Why do we continue using

a medicine that impacts something totally irrelevent to the condition being

treated when there is a medicine that doesn't have that side effect?

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> > > > > > Should the protocol for treating with Spironolactone start with a

testosterone test to establish a baseline? This would be valuable so you could

use science to determine what is going on instead of the " I Guess " method. In my

case the loss of body hair ws the first sign.

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> > > > > > IMHO, a low test result should at least raise the question if spiro

is appropriate. A follow up could see if testosterone had dipped too low and

indicate a change was in order.

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> > > > > > Hopefully I've started to make my point and there are many more

situations to look at.

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> > > > > > Before you ladies think you are immune you might want to Pubmed

" female " and " testosterone " Then you can decide which of the 33,462 hits you

find you want to look at! I stopped at #3, here check it out:

> > > > > > source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22449989

> > > > > > title: Androgen in postmenopausal women.

> > > > > > my take away: " Female androgen insufficiency, which is characterized

by the presence of reduced androgen level in circulation, leads to an impairment

in sexual drive, reduced libido, depressed mood, and signs and symptoms of

limited androgen exposure such as decreased muscle mass, reduced bone density

and decreased sense of well-being. An appropriate level of androgen may play

important roles in metabolic, psychological and sexual functions in women. "

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> > > > > > Does any of that concern you? (I can tell you that NIH made a

special call to ask when I last had a bone denisity test and then added a " Bone

density Dexa scan " as my first test! I plan to ask why!)

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Keep us posted at NIH. If Dr Gill is still around tell him I said hello. May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Mar 30, 2012, at 4:20, <jclark24p@...> wrote:

Breast pain was never an issue which is why I had trouble convincing everyone that there was a problem! I didn't get anyone's attention until I started developing bumps in my right breast and then all Hell broke loose! The only change I note is the left one has continued to grow and has developed its own bumps. Although I was assured they would regress once I stopped spironolactone, I have now read that is often not the case if they have been present for over year and if you want to loose them it's surgery. (If you don't choose that option, you treat them the same as female breasts. On a positive note you can spend more quality time with the wife if you schedule your mammograms together!)

I do not need to let them know because they are already aware of it. I let them know during the initial interview and my PCP included it as part of her referral letter. I expect their recommendation will guide future treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > > I spoke with one of the nurses at the VA yesterday and you will never believe it, the test I had the other day shows I have low testosterone, GO FIGURE! I don't have the actual numbers tonight but she said my PCP has written me a letter and is proposing treatment with either a patch or shot every 2 weeks. (I will defer the answer until my return from NIH. They may have some suggestions and I probably will not need any extra T down there! ;>) )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I need to "get on the stump" and ask again, Why do we continue using a medicine that impacts something totally irrelevent to the condition being treated when there is a medicine that doesn't have that side effect?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Should the protocol for treating with Spironolactone start with a testosterone test to establish a baseline? This would be valuable so you could use science to determine what is going on instead of the "I Guess" method. In my case the loss of body hair ws the first sign.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > IMHO, a low test result should at least raise the question if spiro is appropriate. A follow up could see if testosterone had dipped too low and indicate a change was in order.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hopefully I've started to make my point and there are many more situations to look at.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Before you ladies think you are immune you might want to Pubmed "female" and "testosterone" Then you can decide which of the 33,462 hits you find you want to look at! I stopped at #3, here check it out:

> > > > > > source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22449989

> > > > > > title: Androgen in postmenopausal women.

> > > > > > my take away: "Female androgen insufficiency, which is characterized by the presence of reduced androgen level in circulation, leads to an impairment in sexual drive, reduced libido, depressed mood, and signs and symptoms of limited androgen exposure such as decreased muscle mass, reduced bone density and decreased sense of well-being. An appropriate level of androgen may play important roles in metabolic, psychological and sexual functions in women."

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> > > > > > Does any of that concern you? (I can tell you that NIH made a special call to ask when I last had a bone denisity test and then added a "Bone density Dexa scan" as my first test! I plan to ask why!)

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