Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 My own daughter's gut and sensory issues were pretty severe before we took her to Dr. Geier. We had long suspected she was high in testosterone with the way she was developing... her freakish strength (for a girl her age) and aggression. We knew she was low in glutathione and high in heavy metals. After reading Dr. Geier's work and interviewing him a few times for FAIR's site (autismmedia.org), I decided to have my daughter tested for her testosterone levels. She was nearly three times her reference range. At the time, for her age... she should have been no higher than 10 ng/dcl and she was well into the twenties. Today, her reference range (at the high end) is considered to be around 30 ng/dcl. But we're keeping her in the low end of that range hovering around 8 ng/dcl. with lupron. Critics of this protocol say we're chemically castrating our kids with dangerous chemicals! They don't care that lab science can show this is WORKING... and that my daughter is doing so much better than she was. Her glutathione levels have gone up... and she's dumping more metals without chelation than she had otherwise (though we may continue to chelate again in the future). One of the BIGGEST and immediate changes since going on lupron was the VAST improvement in my daughter's tactile defensiveness. She used to act like her nerves were on fire and hated being touched! Once we got her T levels down... she became the most affectionate and loving kid!!! Her attention span improved... and she also started to see great improvements in her gut symptoms... not a cure for the gut problems mind you... but much better. She seems to know better what her bowels are doing and we've had some measure of success with potty training. > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have > ever > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > vaccine > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy > who, > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp can't > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be > > > honestly > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number of > > > them > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED DOWN> > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and > they > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all > the > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the current > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too much to > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > JB > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR us > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > productive > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Congratulations . Posts like this bring tears of joy to my eyes! ~ > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have > > ever > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > > vaccine > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy > > who, > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp can't > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be > > > > honestly > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number of > > > > them > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and > > they > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all > > the > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the current > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too much to > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR us > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > productive > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 This is great Joe and . I wish it was that simple for my eldest son. I was hoping his testosterone levels were high too, and then I could do something specific, but they are within a very normal range. For this guy, obviously something other than that hormone is going on and I will continue to search. >From: " Nanstiel " <erik@...> >Reply-EOHarm >EOHarm >Subject: Re: Marty >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:12:46 -0000 > >My own daughter's gut and sensory issues were pretty severe before we took >her to Dr. >Geier. We had long suspected she was high in testosterone with the way she >was >developing... her freakish strength (for a girl her age) and aggression. We >knew she was >low in glutathione and high in heavy metals. After reading Dr. Geier's work >and >interviewing him a few times for FAIR's site (autismmedia.org), I decided >to have my >daughter tested for her testosterone levels. > >She was nearly three times her reference range. At the time, for her age... >she should have >been no higher than 10 ng/dcl and she was well into the twenties. Today, >her reference >range (at the high end) is considered to be around 30 ng/dcl. But we're >keeping her in the >low end of that range hovering around 8 ng/dcl. with lupron. > >Critics of this protocol say we're chemically castrating our kids with >dangerous chemicals! >They don't care that lab science can show this is WORKING... and that my >daughter is >doing so much better than she was. Her glutathione levels have gone up... >and she's >dumping more metals without chelation than she had otherwise (though we may >continue >to chelate again in the future). > >One of the BIGGEST and immediate changes since going on lupron was the VAST >improvement in my daughter's tactile defensiveness. She used to act like >her nerves were >on fire and hated being touched! Once we got her T levels down... she >became the most >affectionate and loving kid!!! Her attention span improved... and she also >started to see >great improvements in her gut symptoms... not a cure for the gut problems >mind you... >but much better. She seems to know better what her bowels are doing and >we've had >some measure of success with potty training. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have > > ever > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > > vaccine > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy > > who, > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp can't > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be > > > > honestly > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number of > > > > them > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and > > they > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all > > the > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the current > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too much to > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR us > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > productive > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us & ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM\ _mini_2G_0507 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 I am sorry testosterone was not the culprit. Is he mercury toxic? Does he have fragile x, Rett's syndrome, or tuberous sclerosis? Of course you don't have to answer. I think it's great that people are searching for answers for the children who do not have high levels of testosterone, who are not mercury toxic, who do not have Rett's, fragile x, or tuberous sclerosis. My problem is: What about the kids who do have high levels of testosterone and mercury and do not have fragile x, tuberous sclerosis, or Rett's? Do we just throw them under the bus while we're looking for other answers? And drag them out when they're in their twenties and the likelihood of improvement is nill? I wouldn't wish neglect on any child with autism but that's what we who have children with high levels of testosterone/mercury and not fragile x, Rett's, or tuberous sclerosis are getting from AS and other members of the ASD community who are not in the same boat. Dear Lord, there are 1 million children who are being basically neglected by the scientific autistic community at large - those who are mercury toxic/have high levels of testosterone. We know what caused our kids autism but does the scientific community at large or the pharmaceutical industry, or the s care? Thank God for the very few exceptions. I wish I had it in me to just be glad MY CHILD is getting the help she needs but I cannot simply dismiss all the others who could benefit from the same treatment, who are being denied the correct information. ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have > > > ever > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > > > vaccine > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy > > > who, > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp can't > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be > > > > > honestly > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number of > > > > > them > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and > > > they > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all > > > the > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the current > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too much to > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR us > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > > productive > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- us & ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Answering what we can is what this forum's about isn't it? All 3 are mercury toxic, OH YES. No fragile x, Rett's, nor tuberous schlerosis. We are working on healing their guts and preparing them for oral chelation due to actual Heavy Metal Intoxication, including high biomarkers for mercury. We have done a challenge test and are awaiting the results. While we are preparing them for chelation with DMSA, we are also helping them chelate with natural protocols: epsom salt baths, nutritional supplements such as amino acids, vitamins and minerals (some more than others), good nutrition in foods without crap in it, etc. I suspected the mercury for a long time (they were born in the 90's, fully-vaccinated, and I'm Rh-negative so they got a ton of stuff in utero and out) and we are finally on track but we're always looking for ways to help their outcomes. Like checking out the testosterone levels and ruling out seizure disorders. >From: " soapforum " <soapforum@...> >Reply-EOHarm >EOHarm >Subject: Re: Marty >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:51:31 -0000 > >I am sorry testosterone was not the culprit. Is he mercury toxic? >Does he have fragile x, Rett's syndrome, or tuberous sclerosis? > >Of course you don't have to answer. > >I think it's great that people are searching for answers for the >children who do not have high levels of testosterone, who are not >mercury toxic, who do not have Rett's, fragile x, or tuberous >sclerosis. My problem is: What about the kids who do have high >levels of testosterone and mercury and do not have fragile x, >tuberous sclerosis, or Rett's? Do we just throw them under the bus >while we're looking for other answers? And drag them out when >they're in their twenties and the likelihood of improvement is nill? > >I wouldn't wish neglect on any child with autism but that's what we >who have children with high levels of testosterone/mercury and not >fragile x, Rett's, or tuberous sclerosis are getting from AS and >other members of the ASD community who are not in the same boat. >Dear Lord, there are 1 million children who are being basically >neglected by the scientific autistic community at large - those who >are mercury toxic/have high levels of testosterone. We know what >caused our kids autism but does the scientific community at large or >the pharmaceutical industry, or the s care? > >Thank God for the very few exceptions. > >I wish I had it in me to just be glad MY CHILD is getting the help >she needs but I cannot simply dismiss all the others who could >benefit from the same treatment, who are being denied the correct >information. > > ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I >have > > > > ever > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > > > > vaccine > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. >A guy > > > > who, > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp >can't > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever >be > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A >number of > > > > > > them > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL >TURNED DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with >submitting > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition >political, and > > > > they > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks >making all > > > > the > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the >current > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too >much to > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can >hEAR us > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > > > productive > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant >is the > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live >Hotmail. > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- >us & ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ See what you’re getting into…before you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Are you saying you believe that mercury toxicity is the culprit in some cases of autism? > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have ever > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was vaccine > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy > who, > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp can't > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be > > > honestly > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number of > > > them > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED DOWN> > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and > they > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all the > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the current > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too much to > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > JB > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR us > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into productive > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 I don't know it as a fact but I do believe it is a culprit is some cases. That is why I never dismiss what parents say about mercury and advocate for further research into that area. Marty > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have > ever > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > vaccine > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A > guy > > who, > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp > can't > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be > > > > honestly > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number > of > > > > them > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, > and > > they > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making > all the > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the > current > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too > much to > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can > hEAR us > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > productive > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is > the > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 We noticed that even SMALL changes in my daughter's testosterone levels make a difference. Even when she was in the LOWER HALF of what is considered a normal reference range... we continued to see improvements when we took her levels even lower. The key may be how heavy-metal toxic your kid is... I don't think it's a cut and dry formula by any means... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have > > > ever > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > > > vaccine > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy > > > who, > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp can't > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be > > > > > honestly > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number of > > > > > them > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and > > > they > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all > > > the > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the current > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too much to > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR us > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > > productive > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- us & ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 I personally do not believe that mercury is ever the SOLE cause in these kids. I think it is the first of a one-two punch in environmental factors. The second punch is viral. I think autoimmunity has been downplayed greatly. > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have > > ever > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > > vaccine > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A > > guy > > > who, > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp > > can't > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be > > > > > honestly > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number > > of > > > > > them > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED > > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, > > and > > > they > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making > > all the > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the > > current > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too > > much to > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can > > hEAR us > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > productive > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is > > the > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 That's quite a concession for someone formerly involved in NAAR. Andy Shih has vehemently denied a relationship between thimerosal and autism on many occasions. If I may ask, what is your opinion of the CNV research coming out of Cold Spring Harbor? Given the fact that " spontaneous autism " is rather rare (2-5% of cases MAX), doesn't this work seem to be at least a bit overblown? > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have > > ever > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > > vaccine > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A > > guy > > > who, > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp > > can't > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be > > > > > honestly > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number > > of > > > > > them > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED > > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, > > and > > > they > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making > > all the > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the > > current > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too > > much to > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can > > hEAR us > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > productive > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is > > the > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 I think you may be right. I discussed this with our DAN! and she said given the levels of testosterone, we might be able to address this issue at other sites in his body, rather than with Lupron, which makes her a bit uncomfortable given his seemingly very normal levels. What do you think? Alison >From: " Nanstiel " <erik@...> >Reply-EOHarm >EOHarm >Subject: Re: Marty >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:19:09 -0000 > >We noticed that even SMALL changes in my daughter's testosterone levels >make a >difference. Even when she was in the LOWER HALF of what is considered a >normal >reference range... we continued to see improvements when we took her levels >even lower. > >The key may be how heavy-metal toxic your kid is... I don't think it's a >cut and dry formula >by any means... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have > > > > ever > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > > > > vaccine > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy > > > > who, > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp >can't > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number >of > > > > > > them > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED >DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and > > > > they > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all > > > > the > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the >current > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too much >to > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR >us > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > > > productive > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live >Hotmail. > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- >us & ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Café — open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 , thaty is why I hedge as autoimmunity I believe may play a big role as you suggest. Marty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have > > > ever > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > > > vaccine > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A > > > guy > > > > who, > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp > > > can't > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number > > > of > > > > > > them > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED > > > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, > > > and > > > > they > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making > > > all the > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the > > > current > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too > > > much to > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can > > > hEAR us > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > > productive > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is > > > the > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 First if I may ask please never mention Andy in the same thread with me. Moreover, he is not a parent of a child with autism. I believe he is incompetent and has nothing but contempt for us parents. His passion apprently is genetics only and how it may help his career. I don't see my statement as a consession but I understand how you see it. I am intrugued by the Cold Spring Harbor research and agree it is over blown but gald it is being funded privately. I watch and hope it may lead to other clues. Marty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I > have > > > ever > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child > was > > > vaccine > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. > A > > > guy > > > > who, > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp > > > can't > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever > be > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A > number > > > of > > > > > > them > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL > TURNED > > > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with > submitting > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition > political, > > > and > > > > they > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks > making > > > all the > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the > > > current > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too > > > much to > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can > > > hEAR us > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > > productive > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant > is > > > the > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Which types of autoimmunity are you referring to? vaccinia-based? maternally conferred? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I > have > > > > ever > > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > > > > vaccine > > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A > > > > guy > > > > > who, > > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp > > > > can't > > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever > be > > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A > number > > > > of > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED > > > > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with > submitting > > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, > > > > and > > > > > they > > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making > > > > all the > > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the > > > > current > > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too > > > > much to > > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can > > > > hEAR us > > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > > > productive > > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is > > > > the > > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Dr. Hooker, where have you been? I have missed your posts; where you on sabbatical or something? Sorry to bud in, but I was happy to see you back on EOH. I do not know about maternally conferred autoimmune problems, but isn't there much evidence out there that our children's autoimmune systems have been compromised due to, say, vaccines and neurotoxins? Alison >From: " Hooker " <brian@...> >Reply-EOHarm >EOHarm >Subject: Re: Marty >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:46:06 -0000 > >Which types of autoimmunity are you referring to? vaccinia-based? >maternally conferred? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate >voice I > > have > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your >child was > > > > > vaccine > > > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism >Speaks. A > > > > > guy > > > > > > who, > > > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our >camp > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV >ever > > be > > > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A > > number > > > > > of > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL >TURNED > > > > > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with > > submitting > > > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition >political, > > > > > and > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks >making > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring >true > > > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with >the > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have >too > > > > > much to > > > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they >can > > > > > hEAR us > > > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them >into > > > > > productive > > > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic >componant is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM & loc=us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 WOW ... WET KISS!!!!! I concur on your opinion of Andy Shih. I don't like speaking ill of people but Dr. Shih is one dangerous dude and appears to be much more interested in his career than in our kids... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I > > have > > > > ever > > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child > > was > > > > vaccine > > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. > > A > > > > guy > > > > > who, > > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp > > > > can't > > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever > > be > > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A > > number > > > > of > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL > > TURNED > > > > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with > > submitting > > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition > > political, > > > > and > > > > > they > > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks > > making > > > > all the > > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the > > > > current > > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too > > > > much to > > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can > > > > hEAR us > > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > > > productive > > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant > > is > > > > the > > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 I've been laying low, hunting wabbits... There is a huge body of evidence around autoimmunity in general (Singh, Odell, etc.) that points to measles virus. Only recently have there been publications on the role of maternally conferred autoimmunity and autism. This may be a rare phenomenon. God bless! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate > >voice I > > > have > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your > >child was > > > > > > vaccine > > > > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism > >Speaks. A > > > > > > guy > > > > > > > who, > > > > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our > >camp > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV > >ever > > > be > > > > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A > > > number > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL > >TURNED > > > > > > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with > > > submitting > > > > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition > >political, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks > >making > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring > >true > > > > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with > >the > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have > >too > > > > > > much to > > > > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they > >can > > > > > > hEAR us > > > > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them > >into > > > > > > productive > > > > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic > >componant is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM & loc=us > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Well, when we find measles titers in spinal fluid after the MMR (as has been the case in many kids)... I'm leaning more toward vaccine-based. My daughter's own measles and rubella titers are WAY TOO HIGH. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate > voice I > > have > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your > child was > > > > > vaccine > > > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism > Speaks. A > > > > > guy > > > > > > who, > > > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our > camp > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV > ever > > be > > > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A > > number > > > > > of > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL > TURNED > > > > > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with > > submitting > > > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition > political, > > > > > and > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks > making > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring > true > > > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with > the > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have > too > > > > > much to > > > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they > can > > > > > hEAR us > > > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them > into > > > > > productive > > > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic > componant is > > > > > the > > > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 My eldest son's titers for strep were 150X > than a normal range. However, that's bacterial, not viral. >From: " Nanstiel " <erik@...> >Reply-EOHarm >EOHarm >Subject: Re: Marty >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:18:52 -0000 > >Well, when we find measles titers in spinal fluid after the MMR (as has >been the case in >many kids)... I'm leaning more toward vaccine-based. > >My daughter's own measles and rubella titers are WAY TOO HIGH. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate > > voice I > > > have > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your > > child was > > > > > > vaccine > > > > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism > > Speaks. A > > > > > > guy > > > > > > > who, > > > > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our > > camp > > > > > > can't > > > > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV > > ever > > > be > > > > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A > > > number > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL > > TURNED > > > > > > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with > > > submitting > > > > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition > > political, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks > > making > > > > > > all the > > > > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring > > true > > > > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with > > the > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have > > too > > > > > > much to > > > > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they > > can > > > > > > hEAR us > > > > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them > > into > > > > > > productive > > > > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic > > componant is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2 & ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater & cp=\ 42.358996~-71.056691 & style=r & lvl=13 & tilt=-90 & dir=0 & alt=-1000 & scene=950607 & encTyp\ e=1 & FORM=MGAC01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 I thought Lenny closed this thread???????? Anyway eveery time I see this thread I think of the movie Marty. Only the old timers would remember it. A bunch of guys -without girlfriends or hopes of a date trying to decide what to do on a Saturday night. "What do you want to do Marty?" "I don't know. What do you want to do?" "I don't know. What do you want to do?" "I don't know. What do you want to do?" and so on and so fourth. Good movie though with Ernest Borgnine(sp?) But I digress..................... maurineAlison <helloknitty@...> wrote: My eldest son's titers for strep were 150X > than a normal range. However, that's bacterial, not viral.>From: " Nanstiel" >Reply-EOHarm >EOHarm >Subject: Re: Marty>Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:18:52 -0000>>Well, when we find measles titers in spinal fluid after the MMR (as has >been the case in>many kids)... I'm leaning more toward vaccine-based.>>My daughter's own measles and rubella titers are WAY TOO HIGH.>>>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Marty:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate> > voice I> > > have> > > > > > ever> > > > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your> > child was> > > > > > vaccine> > > > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism> > Speaks. A> > > > > > guy> > > > > > > who,> > > > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our> > camp> > > > > > can't> > > > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV> > ever> > > be> > > > > > > > > honestly> > > > > > > > > > explored by them?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A> > > number> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL> > TURNED> > > > > > DOWN>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with> > > submitting> > > > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition> > political,> > > > > > and> > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks> > making> > > > > > all the> > > > > > > > > > decisions.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring> > true> > > > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with> > the> > > > > > current> > > > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have> > too> > > > > > much to> > > > > > > > > > lose!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > JB> > > > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government!> > > > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they> > can> > > > > > hEAR us> > > > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them> > into> > > > > > productive> > > > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic> > componant is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>>_________________________________________________________________Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2 & ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater & cp=42.358996~-71.056691 & style=r & lvl=13 & tilt=-90 & dir=0 & alt=-1000 & scene=950607 & encType=1 & FORM=MGAC01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 Marty I had a talk with Andy, seemed very scared when I started talking science and the magical disappearing and then destroyed, verstratens earlier work. If this is not a medical conspiracy, then its a lot of greedy thieving lieing DR'S, scientist, med school students, senators, and congressman, what happened to First do no harm, I know it's been replaced by First make lots of money even on the backs of sick children and distraught parents The lord says pray for your government kind of hard when most are scum willing to sell your children out for the cushy pharma paid life style Joe ----------------------------------- TX martinx2us <martyx2@...> wrote: First if I may ask please never mention Andy in the same thread with me.Moreover, he is not a parent of a child with autism. I believe he isincompetent and has nothing but contempt for us parents. His passionapprently is genetics only and how it may help his career.I don't see my statement as a consession but I understand how you seeit.I am intrugued by the Cold Spring Harbor research and agree it is overblown but gald it is being funded privately. I watch and hope it maylead to other clues.Marty> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Marty:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I> have> > > ever> > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child> was> > > vaccine> > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks.> A> > > guy> > > > who,> > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp> > > can't> > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever> be> > > > > > honestly> > > > > > > explored by them?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A> number> > > of> > > > > > them> > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL> TURNED> > > DOWN>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with> submitting> > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition> political,> > > and> > > > they> > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks> making> > > all the> > > > > > > decisions.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true> > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the> > > current> > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too> > > much to> > > > > > > lose!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > JB> > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government!> > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can> > > hEAR us> > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into> > > productive> > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant> is> > > the> > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 My daughter was born in 1990. I didn't receive a Rho-gam shot though I was told all throughout my pregnancy that I would have to. My daughter also has a seizure disorder (first seizure 2 weeks after a HIB vaccine) and obviously has immune system problems which we are currently investigating. Her testosterone level is very high, as is her mercury level. She received over 200 mcg of ethyl mercury in her vaccines. She has no fillings. We don't eat foods known to contain mercury. Thanks for answering. ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I > >have > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was > > > > > vaccine > > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. > >A guy > > > > > who, > > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp > >can't > > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever > >be > > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A > >number of > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL > >TURNED DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with > >submitting > > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition > >political, and > > > > > they > > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks > >making all > > > > > the > > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the > >current > > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too > >much to > > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can > >hEAR us > > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > > > > productive > > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant > >is the > > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live > >Hotmail. > > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- > >us & ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > See what you're getting into…before you go there > http://newlivehotmail.com/? ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2007 Report Share Posted August 22, 2007 > > I thought Lenny closed this thread???????? I tried, but I seem to have been out-voted. I cannot physically close a thread, only delete it. That seemed too severe; and the thread seems to have returned to friendly. > Good movie though with Ernest Borgnine(sp?) > It took an Academy Award or two. But you're going back to the 19th Century. Lenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 Primum non nocere was never actually in the Hippocratic oath. There are various wordy oaths and none of them make that kind of simple, absolute statement. I looked it up. Not a surprise considering the state of mainstream medicine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I > > have > > > > ever > > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child > > was > > > > vaccine > > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. > > A > > > > guy > > > > > who, > > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp > > > > can't > > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever > > be > > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A > > number > > > > of > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL > > TURNED > > > > DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with > > submitting > > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition > > political, > > > > and > > > > > they > > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks > > making > > > > all the > > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true > > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the > > > > current > > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too > > > > much to > > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can > > > > hEAR us > > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into > > > > productive > > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant > > is > > > > the > > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2007 Report Share Posted August 23, 2007 My pleasure. " Iron sharpens iron " , doesn't it? Alison >From: " soapforum " <soapforum@...> >Reply-EOHarm >EOHarm >Subject: Re: Marty >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:31:16 -0000 > >My daughter was born in 1990. > >I didn't receive a Rho-gam shot though I was told all throughout my >pregnancy that I would have to. > >My daughter also has a seizure disorder (first seizure 2 weeks after >a HIB vaccine) and obviously has immune system problems which we are >currently investigating. Her testosterone level is very high, as is >her mercury level. She received over 200 mcg of ethyl mercury in her >vaccines. She has no fillings. We don't eat foods known to contain >mercury. > >Thanks for answering. > > ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice >I > > >have > > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your >child was > > > > > > vaccine > > > > > > > > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism >Speaks. > > >A guy > > > > > > who, > > > > > > > > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our >camp > > >can't > > > > > > > > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV >ever > > >be > > > > > > > > honestly > > > > > > > > > explored by them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A > > >number of > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL > > >TURNED DOWN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, their position is: why bother with > > >submitting > > > > > > > > > anything? The proposal process is by definition > > >political, and > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks > > >making all > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > decisions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring >true > > > > > > > > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with >the > > >current > > > > > > > > > cast of characters running the place - they all have >too > > >much to > > > > > > > > > lose! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JB > > > > > > > > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government! > > > > > > > > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they >can > > >hEAR us > > > > > > > > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them >into > > > > > > productive > > > > > > > > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic >componant > > >is the > > > > > > > > genetically modified vaccines with toxins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows >Live > > >Hotmail. > > > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en- > > >us & ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > See what you're getting into…before you go there > > http://newlivehotmail.com/? >ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2 & ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater & cp=\ 42.358996~-71.056691 & style=r & lvl=13 & tilt=-90 & dir=0 & alt=-1000 & scene=950607 & encTyp\ e=1 & FORM=MGAC01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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