Guest guest Posted January 2, 2002 Report Share Posted January 2, 2002 If that were true, why would they fortify milk with both A & D? Steve -------------------------------------------------------------- I just received a box full of supplements, including Vitamin A drops--5,000 IU--, from Dr. Research Association. Now, I received an e-mail from a friend that states that Vitamin A inhibits Vitamin D to help absorb calcium. I cannot imagine Dr. Res. Association to sell a product that would be damaging in any form. So far I have been very succesful with Dr. 's recommendations. Any comments? I'd really appreciate them. (I have osteoporosis) Thanks. This is the article: THE ASSOCIATED PRESS January 2, 2002 Chicago - Too much vitamin A may increase the risk of hip fractures in older women, according to a new study that researchers say suggests the need to reevaluate the levels in supplements and fortified food. Vitamin A is important for such things as healthy skin and hair, and bone growth. But in this study, researchers found that women with the highest total intake, both from food and vitamin supplements, had double the risk of hip fractures compared with women with the lowest intake. The study is published in today's Journal of the American Medical Association. One theory is that too much vitamin A inhibits the ability of vitamin D to help the body absorb calcium, said lead author Diane Feskanich, an epidemiologist at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston. She said previous studies also suggest vitamin A affects cells that work in bone remodeling - the breakdown and rebuilding of bone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2002 Report Share Posted January 3, 2002 You need to contact Diane Feskanich, at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston to get the answer to your question. Or read the article in JAMA and see what they gave to people in the study. Leo ----------------------------------------- > I just received a box full of supplements, including Vitamin A > drops--5,000 IU--, from Dr. Research Association. > Now, I received an e-mail from a friend that states that Vitamin A > inhibits Vitamin D to help absorb calcium. > I cannot imagine Dr. Res. Association to sell a product that > would be damaging in any form. So far I have been very > succesful with Dr. 's recommendations. > Any comments? I'd really appreciate them. (I have osteoporosis) > Thanks. > > > This is the article: > > THE ASSOCIATED PRESS > > January 2, 2002 > > Chicago - Too much vitamin A may increase the risk of hip > fractures in older women, according to a new study that > researchers say suggests the need to reevaluate the levels in > supplements and fortified food. > > Vitamin A is important for such things as healthy skin and hair, > and bone growth. But in this study, researchers found that > women with the highest total intake, both from food and vitamin > supplements, had double the risk of hip fractures compared with > women with the lowest intake. The study is published in today's > Journal of the American Medical Association. > > One theory is that too much vitamin A inhibits the ability of vitamin > D to help the body absorb calcium, said lead author Diane > Feskanich, an epidemiologist at Brigham and Women's Hospital > in Boston. She said previous studies also suggest vitamin A > affects cells that work in bone remodeling - the breakdown and > rebuilding of bone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2002 Report Share Posted January 5, 2002 Dear Steve: I don't have an answer for you. I just have more questions. Questions that perhaps need looking at. Is it possible that osteoporosis is a condition that has turned in on itself? By that I mean, perhaps the body intake of calcium is full to capacity. Maybe the system needs magnesium oxide to help the body absorb its own calcium. Just a thought. I know that this approach has worked for me. Good luck with finding the answer. I really don't know about the Vit A & D issue.---------- Yours, Joan > <html><body> > > > <tt> > If that were true, why would they fortify milk with both A & amp; D?<BR> > <BR> > Steve<BR> > --------------------------------------------------------------<BR> > I just received a box full of supplements, including Vitamin A & nbsp; > drops--5,000 IU--, from Dr. Research Association. Now, I received an > e-mail from a friend that states that Vitamin A & nbsp; inhibits Vitamin D to > help absorb calcium. & nbsp; <BR> > I cannot imagine Dr. Res. Association to sell a product that & nbsp; would > be damaging in any form. & nbsp; & nbsp; So far I have been very & nbsp; succesful > with Dr. 's recommendations. & nbsp; <BR> > Any comments? & nbsp; I'd really appreciate them. (I have osteoporosis) > Thanks.<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > This is the article:<BR> > <BR> > THE ASSOCIATED PRESS<BR> > <BR> > January 2, 2002<BR> > <BR> > Chicago - Too much vitamin A may increase the risk of hip & nbsp; fractures in > older women, according to a new study that & nbsp; researchers say suggests the > need to reevaluate the levels in & nbsp; supplements and fortified food.<BR> > <BR> > Vitamin A is important for such things as healthy skin and hair, & nbsp; and > bone growth. But in this study, researchers found that & nbsp; women with the > highest total intake, both from food and vitamin & nbsp; supplements, had double > the risk of hip fractures compared with & nbsp; women with the lowest intake. > The study is published in today's & nbsp; Journal of the American Medical > Association.<BR> > <BR> > One theory is that too much vitamin A inhibits the ability of vitamin & nbsp; D > to help the body absorb calcium, said lead author Diane & nbsp; Feskanich, an > epidemiologist at Brigham and Women's Hospital & nbsp; in Boston. She said > previous studies also suggest vitamin A & nbsp; affects cells that work in bone > remodeling - the breakdown and & nbsp; rebuilding of bone.<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > <BR> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 This is a post that didn't get a reply. I know this is late, but it could still help someone. Could someone help out... >>> I'm wanting to give my son CLO and I know you have to be careful about giving too much vit A. If I give him CLO it has the full amount he should recieve in a day. But the DHA I give him also has vit A in it, so if I give both then he would be getting too much A. The DHA has Omega 3 in it. Does the CLO? > Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2002 Report Share Posted May 4, 2002 > This is a post that didn't get a reply. I know this is late, but it > could still help someone. Could someone help out... > > >>> I'm wanting to give my son CLO and I know you have to be careful > about giving too much vit A. If I give him CLO it has the full > amount he should recieve in a day. But the DHA I give him also has > vit A in it, so if I give both then he would be getting too much A. > The DHA has Omega 3 in it. Does the CLO? I give both CLO and DHA. I'm not an expert, but I'm fairly sure that the DHA doesn't have vit. A in it. HTH. Peace and grace, Sally, mom to Tom, 7yo dx AS but on the road to recovery (thanks mainly to Houston enzymes!) Ben, 5yo NT by the grace of God Gracie, 1yo NT and unvaccinated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2002 Report Share Posted May 5, 2002 From Andy Cutler: Vitamin A increases mucosal immunity and integrity. 25,000 to 50,000 IU a day is a reasonable dose with the ONE caveat that it can be teratogenic so women who are or might become pregnant should not take more than 10,000 IU of vitamin A per day. Very few of these children have any chance of getting pregnant, so this isn't an issue. Note that beta carotene is NOT vitamin A, it is pro-vitamin A, requires liver action to convert it, and it also speeds up phase 1 metaoblism which a lot of these kids have trouble with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2002 Report Share Posted May 5, 2002 > >>> I'm wanting to give my son CLO and I know you have to be careful > about giving too much vit A. If I give him CLO it has the full > amount he should recieve in a day. Megson recommends 2500 IU for a young child, 5000 for an adult. Some people recommend you can go higher than that tho. I use about 6000 IU per day for my son who is age 6. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 > One thing I would like to comment on though, > you said: > > > I suggest it because, unlike the Megson protocol, it actually works. > > > I'm not sure what you mean by this but a tremendous number of kids are > responding very well to Megson's CLO protocol which takes out all palmitate > forms of A. Every single parent I know who subsequently tried ANY RANDOM form of vitamin A in an adequate dose (25-50,000 IU a day) then found out what responding very well meant, and ceased to describe the modest improvements they saw on the Megson protocol in glowing terms. I think this is a problem with the different things relative words can mean, like the MD definition of cured versus the reasonable person definition of cured. I don't dispute that if you use a woefully inadequate dose of vitamin A there may be noticeable differences in the modest response observed to the assorted different forms. I am saying that if you use an adequate dose of any form at all, it works MUCH better than an inadequate dose of even the " best " form. > My child is one of those. I am glad this protocol is working for your child. I do NOT argue about these things just to flip $#(+ at the doctors - I wish everything they did worked for all the kids. I point out problems because it is much more important that every child get better than that any particular person's ego gets stroked. Which includes that if anyone's child improves dramatically because they did exactly the opposite of what I suggest, I am still glad their kid is better. You're one of the people who did a lot of stuff I recommend against, your kid improved a lot on it, and you make wonderful, thoughtful contributions to the list that offer people a well reasoned alternative view to what I say. I really appreciate this and it is a great service to other parents. Sometimes I am pretty bombastic in how I present things, but my experience on the list is that people are having a lot of trouble listening and understanding things from all the different viewpoints and if I am NOT pretty dramatic they don't hear what I have to say. Also, as I have said, I pretty much " let my hair down " on list and just speak my mind because I spend a lot of time posting and it would be unreasonably burdensome for me to " sanitize " everything I have to say and make a lot of extra posts to politely and moderately convey things that I can get across by being very direct - even brutal - in my posts. BTW, I also think most of the doc's whose protocols I criticize are decent reasonable people trying to do the right thing. Sometimes I just think they could do it even more " right. " I don't say that kind of thing without very strong reasons to believe it. Andy . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 What I think is interesting is that high doses of Vitamin are used to treat measles.......mmmm. Here's my kid that most likely has measles in his gut and recent reports would say possibly in his spinal fluid....maybe the A in high doses helps so much because it knocks this out. [ ] Re: vitamin A > One thing I would like to comment on though, > you said: > > > I suggest it because, unlike the Megson protocol, it actually works. > > > I'm not sure what you mean by this but a tremendous number of kids are > responding very well to Megson's CLO protocol which takes out all palmitate > forms of A. Every single parent I know who subsequently tried ANY RANDOM form of vitamin A in an adequate dose (25-50,000 IU a day) then found out what responding very well meant, and ceased to describe the modest improvements they saw on the Megson protocol in glowing terms. I think this is a problem with the different things relative words can mean, like the MD definition of cured versus the reasonable person definition of cured. I don't dispute that if you use a woefully inadequate dose of vitamin A there may be noticeable differences in the modest response observed to the assorted different forms. I am saying that if you use an adequate dose of any form at all, it works MUCH better than an inadequate dose of even the " best " form. > My child is one of those. I am glad this protocol is working for your child. I do NOT argue about these things just to flip $#(+ at the doctors - I wish everything they did worked for all the kids. I point out problems because it is much more important that every child get better than that any particular person's ego gets stroked. Which includes that if anyone's child improves dramatically because they did exactly the opposite of what I suggest, I am still glad their kid is better. You're one of the people who did a lot of stuff I recommend against, your kid improved a lot on it, and you make wonderful, thoughtful contributions to the list that offer people a well reasoned alternative view to what I say. I really appreciate this and it is a great service to other parents. Sometimes I am pretty bombastic in how I present things, but my experience on the list is that people are having a lot of trouble listening and understanding things from all the different viewpoints and if I am NOT pretty dramatic they don't hear what I have to say. Also, as I have said, I pretty much " let my hair down " on list and just speak my mind because I spend a lot of time posting and it would be unreasonably burdensome for me to " sanitize " everything I have to say and make a lot of extra posts to politely and moderately convey things that I can get across by being very direct - even brutal - in my posts. BTW, I also think most of the doc's whose protocols I criticize are decent reasonable people trying to do the right thing. Sometimes I just think they could do it even more " right. " I don't say that kind of thing without very strong reasons to believe it. Andy . . . ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 > What I think is interesting is that high doses of Vitamin are used to treat measles.......mmmm. Here's my kid that most likely has measles in his gut and recent reports would say possibly in his spinal fluid....maybe the A in high doses helps so much because it knocks this out. Very likely. Vitamin A really IS good for measles and this has been known for a long time. Also if it is measles, elderberry syrup will help. Andy . . . . . . . . . . .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 In a message dated 7/1/02 4:53:43 PM Central Daylight Time, AndyCutler@... writes: > Every single parent I know who subsequently tried ANY RANDOM form of > vitamin A in an adequate dose (25-50,000 IU a day) then found out what > responding very well meant, and ceased to describe the modest > improvements they saw on the Megson protocol in glowing terms. I'd love to talk to some of these folks if you think they'd be willing to share their observations. Given my son's positive response to CLO, yet still some remaining visual issues, it would be interesting to know that a higher dose might help. Would you mind asking a few of them if they'd be willing to share and then e-mail me some contact info privately? > You're one of the people who did a lot of stuff I recommend against, > your kid improved a lot on it, Yea, and unfortunately has done very poorly on the few things you have reccommended on list that we have tried (ALA and milk thistle). Then again, he is quite an individual puzzle -- the exception to the rule quite often. Keeps me on my toes. Gaylen and you make wonderful, thoughtful > contributions to the list that offer people a well reasoned > alternative view to what I say. I really appreciate this and it is a > great service to other parents. Sometimes I am pretty bombastic in > how I present things, but my experience on the list is that people are > having a lot of trouble listening and understanding things from all > the different viewpoints and if I am NOT pretty dramatic they don't > hear what I have to say. Also, as I have said, I pretty much " let my > hair down " on list and just speak my mind because I spend a lot of > time posting and it would be unreasonably burdensome for me to > " sanitize " everything I have to say and make a lot of extra posts to > politely and moderately convey things that I can get across by being > very direct - even brutal - in my posts. > > BTW, I also think most of the doc's whose protocols I criticize are > decent reasonable people trying to do the right thing. Sometimes I > just think they could do it even more " right. " I don't say that kind > of thing without very strong reasons to believe it. > > Andy . . . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:58:43 -0000 > > From: " igorginzburg " <imginzburg@e...> > > Subject: Re: vitamin A - carrots > > > > Hello everybody, > > my son is craving carrots. He prefers them to any other food. Are > > they good source of vitamin A? Is it safe to give him eat much of > > them? > > Thank you, > > Margaret > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 07:03:38 -0000 > > From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@a...> > > Subject: Re: vitamin A - carrots > > > > > Hello everybody, > > > my son is craving carrots. He prefers them to any other food. Are > > > they good source of vitamin A? Is it safe to give him eat much of > > > them? > > > > Carrots have zero vitamin A in them. > > > > They have tons of beta carotene, which the body can convert into > > vitamin A (vitamin A is a carotene molecule split in half with an -OH > > stuck on it). Not in the quantities autistic children need, however. > > Also liver problems prevent this conversion. > > > > As long as he isn't chemically sensitive, carrots are good for him, > > but you also have to give him vitamin A if you want him to have > > adequate amounts of it to promote normal healthy immunity and > > neurology in an autistic child. > > > > Andy . . . . . . . > > > > FWIW > > The best source for vitamin A are eggs and liver, in a form called retinal. Cod Liver oil or shark liver oil (yes, I know, be careful of the source for accumulated metals - no emails please) are good sources. I was told by a nutritionist and Dr to avoid the " palmate " (sp?) forms of retinyl - something about tends to gum up certain receptor sites (?) and likely poorly converted in my kiddos liver (as Andy mentioned). Ive noticed many of the vitamin supplement forms (like Kirkmans) are either a beta-carotene or retinyl palminate. > > Just fish oil wont do - has to be fish liver. > > When working with tomatoes in grad school I sat down and tried to figure out just how many tomatoes a person would have to eat to be equivalent to one egg - it was some ungodly amount most could not possibly eat in a day. I was in disagreement with a professional that touted high vitamin A source tomatoes could help prevent nutritional problems in 3rd world countries. These tomatoes are available but taste horrid. I still don't see why they didn't focus on increasing the vitamin C content as there are other genera that do have high vitamin C and can be crossed into normal tomatoes by conventional breeding methods. > > --------------------------------- REPLY; Carrots are also high in sugar content...and varies by variety of breed name. Grandma Peg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:58:43 -0000 > > From: " igorginzburg " <imginzburg@e...> > > Subject: Re: vitamin A - carrots > > > > Hello everybody, > > my son is craving carrots. He prefers them to any other food. Are > > they good source of vitamin A? Is it safe to give him eat much of > > them? > > Thank you, > > Margaret > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 07:03:38 -0000 > > From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@a...> > > Subject: Re: vitamin A - carrots > > > > > Hello everybody, > > > my son is craving carrots. He prefers them to any other food. Are > > > they good source of vitamin A? Is it safe to give him eat much of > > > them? > > > > Carrots have zero vitamin A in them. > > > > They have tons of beta carotene, which the body can convert into > > vitamin A (vitamin A is a carotene molecule split in half with an -OH > > stuck on it). Not in the quantities autistic children need, however. > > Also liver problems prevent this conversion. > > > > As long as he isn't chemically sensitive, carrots are good for him, > > but you also have to give him vitamin A if you want him to have > > adequate amounts of it to promote normal healthy immunity and > > neurology in an autistic child. > > > > Andy . . . . . . . > > > > FWIW > > The best source for vitamin A are eggs and liver, in a form called retinal. Cod Liver oil or shark liver oil (yes, I know, be careful of the source for accumulated metals - no emails please) are good sources. I was told by a nutritionist and Dr to avoid the " palmate " (sp?) forms of retinyl - something about tends to gum up certain receptor sites (?) and likely poorly converted in my kiddos liver (as Andy mentioned). Ive noticed many of the vitamin supplement forms (like Kirkmans) are either a beta-carotene or retinyl palminate. > > Just fish oil wont do - has to be fish liver. > > When working with tomatoes in grad school I sat down and tried to figure out just how many tomatoes a person would have to eat to be equivalent to one egg - it was some ungodly amount most could not possibly eat in a day. I was in disagreement with a professional that touted high vitamin A source tomatoes could help prevent nutritional problems in 3rd world countries. These tomatoes are available but taste horrid. I still don't see why they didn't focus on increasing the vitamin C content as there are other genera that do have high vitamin C and can be crossed into normal tomatoes by conventional breeding methods. > > --------------------------------- REPLY; Carrots are also high in sugar content...and varies by variety of breed name. Grandma Peg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:58:43 -0000 > > From: " igorginzburg " <imginzburg@e...> > > Subject: Re: vitamin A - carrots > > > > Hello everybody, > > my son is craving carrots. He prefers them to any other food. Are > > they good source of vitamin A? Is it safe to give him eat much of > > them? > > Thank you, > > Margaret > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 07:03:38 -0000 > > From: " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@a...> > > Subject: Re: vitamin A - carrots > > > > > Hello everybody, > > > my son is craving carrots. He prefers them to any other food. Are > > > they good source of vitamin A? Is it safe to give him eat much of > > > them? > > > > Carrots have zero vitamin A in them. > > > > They have tons of beta carotene, which the body can convert into > > vitamin A (vitamin A is a carotene molecule split in half with an -OH > > stuck on it). Not in the quantities autistic children need, however. > > Also liver problems prevent this conversion. > > > > As long as he isn't chemically sensitive, carrots are good for him, > > but you also have to give him vitamin A if you want him to have > > adequate amounts of it to promote normal healthy immunity and > > neurology in an autistic child. > > > > Andy . . . . . . . > > > > FWIW > > The best source for vitamin A are eggs and liver, in a form called retinal. Cod Liver oil or shark liver oil (yes, I know, be careful of the source for accumulated metals - no emails please) are good sources. I was told by a nutritionist and Dr to avoid the " palmate " (sp?) forms of retinyl - something about tends to gum up certain receptor sites (?) and likely poorly converted in my kiddos liver (as Andy mentioned). Ive noticed many of the vitamin supplement forms (like Kirkmans) are either a beta-carotene or retinyl palminate. > > Just fish oil wont do - has to be fish liver. > > When working with tomatoes in grad school I sat down and tried to figure out just how many tomatoes a person would have to eat to be equivalent to one egg - it was some ungodly amount most could not possibly eat in a day. I was in disagreement with a professional that touted high vitamin A source tomatoes could help prevent nutritional problems in 3rd world countries. These tomatoes are available but taste horrid. I still don't see why they didn't focus on increasing the vitamin C content as there are other genera that do have high vitamin C and can be crossed into normal tomatoes by conventional breeding methods. > > --------------------------------- P.S. to REPLY... did ou remember that the carrotene in excess can dye the skin orange on the outside? So, don't be alarmed if he gets a little yellow then orange. My niece was fed massive quantities of carrot juice as a 1 - 2yr. old because her mother thought it would b better than fruit juices and also mght protect her eyesight. She turned a overall med. yellow color, the the tips of her nose and ears turned orange. She slept on her tummy and at first, Mom thought the brown nose was from sheet burns causing a kind of scabing... don't know who made her realize that the kid was yellow all over but she did get to the Dr. and he solved the problem. Stopped the carrot juice for awhile until normal color returned, then severely limit it. No harm done to any body part. Since that time, I've read warnings of this from Health food sources and thought it sounded odd but recalled that it had happened in my family. Wonder if that might work as a short cut for those who want a Deep Tan..??lol...Grandma Peg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 P.S. to REPLY... did ou remember that the carrotene in excess can dye the skin orange on the outside? So, don't be alarmed if he gets a little yellow then orange. My niece was fed massive quantities of carrot juice as a 1 - 2yr. old because her mother thought it would b better than fruit juices and also mght protect her eyesight. She turned a overall med. yellow color, the the tips of her nose and ears turned orange. She slept on her tummy and at first, Mom thought the brown nose was from sheet burns causing a kind of scabing... don't know who made her realize that the kid was yellow all over but she did get to the Dr. and he solved the problem. Stopped the carrot juice for awhile until normal color returned, then severely limit it. No harm done to any body part. Since that time, I've read warnings of this from Health food sources and thought it sounded odd but recalled that it had happened in my family. Wonder if that might work as a short cut for those who want a Deep Tan..??lol...Grandma Peg ======== Dear Grandma Peg, Like you, I have heard several times and places that lots of carrot juice can turn skin (esp. palms of hands) kind of a yellow or orange color. However, I've heard that this is NOT a problem and does not cause harm, or even risk. BTW, I love carrot juice, but have not had this happen to me. I guess maybe I just have not drank enough of it! Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 --- In @y..., " andrewhallcutler " <AndyCutler@a...> wrote: Every single parent I know who subsequently tried ANY RANDOM form of vitamin A in an adequate dose (25-50,000 IU a day) then found out what responding very well meant, and ceased to describe the modest improvements they saw on the Megson protocol in glowing terms. --- Gaylen, Andy, et al, Sorry to be late to the Megson/Vit A discussion but I have a couple of points and questions: This list seems to be equating Megson's protocol with just the CIS form of vit A, but I think it requires a low dose of urecholine as well. (I know there are some patients of hers out there...am I right or wrong?) We followed Megson's protocol and saw marked improvement in speech quantity, volume (loudness) of speech, and number of words strung together (three and four vs. the usual one). However, we didn't see the improvements with the CLO alone but after we gave a low dose of urecholine (5mg 2x daily, 43# kid). For those who have had success with the urecholine, have you been able to successfully discontinue it without seeing a drop in verbal skills? (We have not, but are currently trying again and will rechallenge soon. I think we may be ok this time.) Does this make my son a high-dose Vit A candidate? (I'm sure we will try it anyway, just wondering what experience or logic may be out there.) If urecholine is just " clearing the receptors " (I have to admit I don't understand the mechanics here--even after listening to Megson talk on multiple occassions.) could something else, like nicotine, do the same? Anyway, this is one of those areas where I have seen a response, but am unsure what to do next. Any thoughts appreciated. Ben Price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 > Every single parent I know who subsequently tried ANY RANDOM form of > vitamin A in an adequate dose (25-50,000 IU a day) then found out > what > responding very well meant, and ceased to describe the modest > improvements they saw on the Megson protocol in glowing terms. > > Gaylen, Andy, et al, > Sorry to be late to the Megson/Vit A discussion but I have a couple > of points and questions: > > This list seems to be equating Megson's protocol with just the CIS > form of vit A, but I think it requires a low dose of urecholine as > well. I do believe you are right. > We followed Megson's protocol and saw marked improvement in speech > quantity, volume (loudness) of speech, and number of words strung > together (three and four vs. the usual one). However, we didn't > see the improvements with the CLO alone but after we gave a low dose > of urecholine (5mg 2x daily, 43# kid). This is good. Have you tried adding more vitamin A? > For those who have had success with the urecholine, have you been > able to successfully discontinue it without seeing a drop in verbal > skills? (We have not, but are currently trying again and will > rechallenge soon. I think we may be ok this time.) > > Does this make my son a high-dose Vit A candidate? (I'm sure we > will try it anyway, just wondering what experience or logic may be > out there.) > > If urecholine is just " clearing the receptors " (I have to admit I > don't understand the mechanics here--even after listening to Megson > talk on multiple occassions.) She has some interesting ideas as to how kinetics and equilibrium work that they failed to teach me in chemistry class - I did kinda think I had covered it all though.... > could something else, like nicotine, do the same? It binds to a different kind of acetylcholine receptor. BTW, the more likely thought is simply that vitamin A, which is known to increase the expression of dopamine D2 receptors in the brain, is synergistic with a muscarinic acetylcholine receptor analog. > Anyway, this is one of those areas where I have seen a response, but > am unsure what to do next. Any thoughts appreciated. > > Ben P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 My son is taking 25,000 U/day and ALL of his visual stims have disappeared!!! --- beccabran2 <beccabran2@...> wrote: > I'd like to hear about any experiences with using > vitamin A. > Thanks > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2002 Report Share Posted August 20, 2002 My son is taking 25,000 U/day and ALL of his visual stims have disappeared!!! *********************************** Is this CLO vitamin A? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2002 Report Share Posted August 21, 2002 --- Prokofiew <aprokofiew@...> wrote: > > > My son is taking 25,000 U/day and ALL of his > visual > stims have disappeared!!! > > *********************************** > Is this CLO vitamin A? Only 2500 IU from CLO. Andy says that if you give too much CLO, you're getting too much VitD. I buy Twinlab Allergy A caps. There's 10,000 IU of VitA acetate per cap. I started off with one per day, but it didn't make too much difference, so I upped it to 2/day (again, Andy's advice). Within 2 weeks, all of his visual stims were gone. There's also a little VitA in his multivit. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 For vitamin D anyone know how much is too much? Thanks. Alison Re: [ ] Vitamin A --- Prokofiew <aprokofiew@...> wrote: > > > My son is taking 25,000 U/day and ALL of his > visual > stims have disappeared!!! > > *********************************** > Is this CLO vitamin A? Only 2500 IU from CLO. Andy says that if you give too much CLO, you're getting too much VitD. I buy Twinlab Allergy A caps. There's 10,000 IU of VitA acetate per cap. I started off with one per day, but it didn't make too much difference, so I upped it to 2/day (again, Andy's advice). Within 2 weeks, all of his visual stims were gone. There's also a little VitA in his multivit. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2002 Report Share Posted August 22, 2002 > For vitamin D anyone know how much is too much? Weight in pounds times 10 is borderline. Probably OK, but pushing it. Weight times 15 is too much. Andy . . . . .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2003 Report Share Posted February 13, 2003 > My daughter continues to have a decreased vit A level dispite supplementation. We have increased her CLO from 2 tsp to 3 tsp & her vit A drops from 2 drops to 4 drops/day (5000 IU/drop). However, I just noticed the drops are Mycelized vit A in the retinyl palmitate form. If I remember correctly, according to Dr. Megson, she recommends the cis form of vit A & recommends against the use of the palmitate form. Can anyone recommend a supplemental vit A to use in conjuction w/ the CLO- if one exists? I believe the Twinlabs allergy A product is retinyl acetate. . .. . > Thanks, > C. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 Labs makes a capsule w/ 25,000 IU vit A. It also has vit C,E and zinc. http://store./vitanet/nut100capdou.html Kathy [ ] Vitamin A My daughter continues to have a decreased vit A level dispite supplementation. We have increased her CLO from 2 tsp to 3 tsp & her vit A drops from 2 drops to 4 drops/day (5000 IU/drop). However, I just noticed the drops are Mycelized vit A in the retinyl palmitate form. If I remember correctly, according to Dr. Megson, she recommends the cis form of vit A & recommends against the use of the palmitate form. Can anyone recommend a supplemental vit A to use in conjuction w/ the CLO- if one exists? Thanks, C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2003 Report Share Posted February 14, 2003 Try TwinLab Allergy-A it is retnyl acetate... [ ] Vitamin A My daughter continues to have a decreased vit A level dispite supplementation. We have increased her CLO from 2 tsp to 3 tsp & her vit A drops from 2 drops to 4 drops/day (5000 IU/drop). However, I just noticed the drops are Mycelized vit A in the retinyl palmitate form. If I remember correctly, according to Dr. Megson, she recommends the cis form of vit A & recommends against the use of the palmitate form. Can anyone recommend a supplemental vit A to use in conjuction w/ the CLO- if one exists? Thanks, C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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