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Christene,

Over the 5 years that I've been reading messages on this board, I

can tell you that we've covered just about every subject on health

and detoxification therapies at least once, if not more!

We've had discussions about water before, and gazillions of other

things. Basically we just keep recycling the same questions as new

people come aboard. Ideas need to be revisited over and over again.

There are always quite a few opinions floating around. It's okay.

It's all good. As long as we are learning, that is what counts!

Patty

>

> Wow! Who knew there would be so much controversy on the board

> surrounding water?

>

> Kenda,

> Regardless of what any textbook says, or any doctor, nurse,

> nutritionist etc. I was merely brining up yet another health

issue

> that should be taken into consideration by all who are trying to

take

> care of themselves.

> Having said that, it is up to each individual to make their own

> informed decision about what (notice I didn't say who)is right and

> what is wrong. Without me bringing it up, how many people would

have

> really thought about the nasty things in water? Probably not too

> many. But the point was brought up and I'm sure all who are

reading

> it and doing research on it ~ that's where the " informed " comes

in.

> Either way, nobody will ever see me here posting things with the

> intent of me thinking I know everything about everything.

Honestly,

> I wouldn't believe a textbook. The only thing I would believe in

> this case is a chemists scientific report. I'm a FACT based

person.

> I've never seen one so I continue to drink bottled spring

> water...until I see scientific/fact based results. Again, this is

> just me personally. My theories may not work so well for others,

but

> I'm okay with that.

> Good group discussion though!

>

> Christene

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, but just take it as information. I personally use reverse

osmosis filtered water, my naturopath does not like distilled water.

Lynda

At 10:46 AM 3/17/2006, you wrote:

>Wow! Who knew there would be so much controversy on the board

>surrounding water?

>

>Kenda,

>Regardless of what any textbook says, or any doctor, nurse,

>nutritionist etc. I was merely brining up yet another health issue

>that should be taken into consideration by all who are trying to take

>care of themselves.

>Having said that, it is up to each individual to make their own

>informed decision about what (notice I didn't say who)is right and

>what is wrong. Without me bringing it up, how many people would have

>really thought about the nasty things in water? Probably not too

>many. But the point was brought up and I'm sure all who are reading

>it and doing research on it ~ that's where the " informed " comes in.

>Either way, nobody will ever see me here posting things with the

>intent of me thinking I know everything about everything. Honestly,

>I wouldn't believe a textbook. The only thing I would believe in

>this case is a chemists scientific report. I'm a FACT based person.

>I've never seen one so I continue to drink bottled spring

>water...until I see scientific/fact based results. Again, this is

>just me personally. My theories may not work so well for others, but

>I'm okay with that.

>Good group discussion though!

>

>Christene

>

>

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

>by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

>decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

>better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

>Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

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[Guest guest]

Christene,

I'm sorry you took offense to Mercola's opinion regarding water usage, it

certainly wasn't my intent. I have been on this list for over a year and

the suggestion to drink purified water has been made countless times, it is

something that is discussed here quite often. Women here are very aware of

the nasty things in water and the need to drink purified water and plenty of

it.

As far as facts go, I'll refer you to any physician who told you it was a

fact that implants don't cause disease and their chemists that substantiate

their results. As you already know, there are many disparities between what

is factual and what the medical world wants us to believe.

Finally, I didn't post things here that I have learned through any text

book, you are referring to a post made by another lady on this list. My

post was directly from Dr. Mercola. A doctor many here have come to trust

and respect.

Kenda

> Wow! Who knew there would be so much controversy on the board

> surrounding water?

>

> Kenda,

> Regardless of what any textbook says, or any doctor, nurse,

> nutritionist etc. I was merely brining up yet another health issue

> that should be taken into consideration by all who are trying to take

> care of themselves.

> Having said that, it is up to each individual to make their own

> informed decision about what (notice I didn't say who)is right and

> what is wrong. Without me bringing it up, how many people would have

> really thought about the nasty things in water? Probably not too

> many. But the point was brought up and I'm sure all who are reading

> it and doing research on it ~ that's where the " informed " comes in.

> Either way, nobody will ever see me here posting things with the

> intent of me thinking I know everything about everything. Honestly,

> I wouldn't believe a textbook. The only thing I would believe in

> this case is a chemists scientific report. I'm a FACT based person.

> I've never seen one so I continue to drink bottled spring

> water...until I see scientific/fact based results. Again, this is

> just me personally. My theories may not work so well for others, but

> I'm okay with that.

> Good group discussion though!

>

> Christene

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed

> health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

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http://www.newsweek .com/id/110958? g=1

Running Dry

Climate research says Lake Mead, in the Southwest,

could be gone by 2021. How millions

in southern California and neighboring states would be

affected.

Newsweek Web Exclusive

By Reno

Feb 14, 2008

You need not go to the Middle East, North Africa or

Southeast Asia, where there are

already reported water shortages, to understand the

value and scarcity of the life-giving

liquid. Just look in America's own back yard. The

American Southwest has been in a

protracted drought for nearly a decade, with sinking

water levels in lakes and rivers and

decreasing snowpack in the mountains. And now a

prominent scientist from the Scripps

Institution of Oceanography at the University of

California, San Diego, says that Lake

Mead, which supplies water to 22 million people

throughout the region, could be bone dry

in just 13 years.

It may sound like the plot of an apocalyptic sci-fi

flick, but Tim Barnett, a research marine

geophysicist and climate expert at Scripps, says

there's a 50 percent chance that the

manmade lake, a reservoir created by Hoover Dam

located on the Colorado River 30 miles

southeast of Las Vegas, will be dry by 2021, or even

sooner if climate changes continue as

expected and water use is not curtailed.

Barnett, lead author of a paper titled " When Will Lake

Mead Go Dry " which will appear in the

peer-reviewed journal Water Resources Research,

published by the American Geophysical

Union, says human demand and human-induced climate

change are creating a net deficit

of nearly 1 million acre-feet of water per year from

the Colorado River system, which

includes Lake Mead and Lake . Barnett talked to

NEWSWEEK's Reno about the

Lake Mead study, what it means for the Southwest, and

what—if anything—can be done to

save the lake. Excerpts:

NEWSWEEK: When and why did you begin the Lake Mead

study?

Tim Barnett: We started in earnest at the beginning of

last summer. It was a curiosity-

driven project. I just wanted to find out if things

were this bad, and we quickly concluded

that they are … We were stunned at the magnitude of

the problem and how fast it was

moving. It's not a scientific abstraction. This will

impact every person living in the

Southwest.

How were you actually able to determine that the lake

could run dry by 2021?

Our analysis of Federal Bureau of Reclamation records

of past water demand and

calculations of scheduled water allocations and

climate conditions indicate that the system

could run dry, even if mitigation measures are

implemented. We started from the level it is

today. We know how much water is coming in and how

much will go out, to the farmers, to

the cities, etc. We also know the rate of transfer to

Mexico: 1.5 million acre-feet per year.

The final thing we added, which the Bureau of

Reclamation does not add in, were

evaporation and infiltration into the soil, which is

1.7 million acre-feet per year. We added

up all these numbers and put in the prorated amount

from climate change, and found we

had a negative number. We were stunned.

The Lake Mead/Lake system is a source of water

for millions of people throughout

the Southwest. How many people would be directly

affected if Lake Mead ran dry?

Thirty million people, or more. Everyone in Southern

California, everyone in the entire

region would be affected.

What are some of the alternative sources of water for

people in the region?

There is talk of building desalination plants along

the coast in California. Arizona can

pump water from under the ground, from beneath Phoenix

and other areas, but that's

fossil water that has been there a million years. The

sources for water are obviously

limited.

What kind of water wars might we see? Does your study

look at the potential political and

societal fallout from all of this?

No. We're scientists, not policy makers. We present

the numbers and the timing for the

problem. We're not the ones to solve it.

But what can we do to prevent this from happening? Is

it preventable?

A lot of things will have to change, from a policy

standpoint. Water rights will be an issue.

Global warming is not preventable. This will happen

compared to the time it would take us

to impact the CO2 burden in the atmosphere. Adaptation

is the word here. How will our

desert Southwest civilization adapt with a third less

water from the Colorado River?

Consumption, of course, is something that can always

be changed … It is a complicated

situation. Everyone in this debate will have a

self-serving interest … I spent a year in

Montana, and there's an old saying there that you can

put your wallet on the road and it

will be there a week later, but if you have a cup full

of water, your neighbor will do what he

can to find it and take it.

Has there been opposition or resistance to some of

your findings with regard to global

warming and its effects?

No, none that I am aware of. But I caught on early to

the people in the White House who

were changing things, funding alleged scientists, the

political connections. These guys

have been outed by now, but they are still around.

They say no, no, no, but we show them

evidence, we bring up the fact that there have been

some 20,000 papers written on

climate change and they don't have any evidence to

back up their claims.

What impact might this have on agriculture, which

obviously uses a large amount of water?

Agriculture still uses 75 to 80 percent of the water

from that area. In California agriculture

is the number one industry. How far do you go cutting

its throat? How will you get the

water? This is something that people will have to work

on to develop a strategy for the

future. There is simply a limited supply of water.

What kind of reaction do you expect there will be,

both publicly and politically, to your

troubling findings?

We've talked about it, but no one is quite sure. We

know there will be media attention;

that's part of my job. In terms of political fallout,

I don't know the answer to that. I can't

even imagine. Arizona won't take this as good news.

People who live along the upper

basin, the folks in Wyoming, Utah and those areas that

are the most junior in the water

rights agreements, will not be pleased.

Why haven't we heard about this before now?

It's surprising to us that someone hasn't run this

flag up the flagpole before. But others,

like Gleick of the Pacific Institute in

Berkeley, have been saying that the Colorado

River will run out of water since the early 1990s. But

no one has paid much attention to

him. The Bureau of Reclamation said the reservoirs

could be in trouble, but they've never

said when. Marty Hoerling at NOAA (the National

Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration)

in Boulder and a colleague looked at the soil moisture

content and developed a river flow

scheme. His answer was more severe than ours. But I

don't know of another study that is

as specific as ours.

How serious is this situation, in your opinion?

The people of Southern California and the desert

Southwest are facing a water crisis that

could well affect the sustainability of our culture as

it is today in this region. The signals

have been there for at least 20 years: less snow,

warmer temperature in the mountains,

less river runoff. The evidence has been here for some

time; we just pulled all the data

together.

Spiritual freedom is my birthright.

I am a free thinker. I am able to rise above mental

prejudices and stereotypes of others.

I am a free thinker. Nobody and nothing can manipulate

me or deceive me.

I am a free thinker. I freely choose truth and love.

Today, I embrace a greater degree of spiritual

freedom.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, this is my experience also.

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

Wow!  I never knew caffeine could do that.  I'm torn, though, because coffee

rejuvenates me when this CMT really drags me down.  Guess I will drink at least

that amount of water since I will never give up coffee!

Karon

My Orthopedist has recommended the 6-8 8oz glasses of water to keep my disc's

hydrated.

He told me to stay away from cola's, coffee, tea since they DEHYDRATE your disc.

Common sense is needed in all things.

[Guest guest]

I think water (tapwater) is a diuretic too. Tapwater is not optimal for

drinking, since it is low in minerals, and thus goes through the kidney very

fast + it brings electrolytes with it. So mineral water or spring water is best.

I believe juices are great too. Sodas are often very sweet and contain a lot of

acids, no idea how people can drink that. But I just read that drinking to much

(no matter of what) is bad. You can develop incontinence. I think that drinking

at meals and otherwise when thirsty is the best method.

I never drink more than 1 litre a day, I don't need it, obviously. So drinking 8

glasses of water a day as a recommendation is strange. Let your thirst decide

how much you should drink,this is the natural way.

Beata

[Guest guest]

Those are called Arnold Palmers and I, too, drink that! It is SOOOO good

having a little lemonade with the iced tea!

[Guest guest]

I have replaced soda with Crystal Light iced tea. Since this uses artifical

sweetner, is this just as bad for me as soda? I am

working on upping my water intake, but have never been big on plain water, so I

drink 1 bottle of water and 2-4 glasses of crystal light

in addition to my 2 cups of coffee in the morning.

any thoughts?

jackie