Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Has anybody tried that. I have not seen people talking about this plant. I was doing research yesterday, it is interesting. Suzanna ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Corky or Bill Rieder Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: [ ] Re: oleander soup It's also available in supplement form - Sutherlandia - and not too expensive for something to save your life! About $60 a bottle. Corky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 I always try everything that I recommend so I tried the liquid Sutherlandia a month or so ago. I would NOT recommend the liquid. Supposedly I got a bottle that was not filtered correctly (may have had mold) but now they have a better company doing the filtering and processing, etc. I am quite used to detoxification and cleansing symptoms, but the side-effects that I had were not fun and a little scary. They have since sent me a couple of bottles of the capsules and I will be trying those next week. I do have oleander on the Products To Research that I recommend to people because it seems that some are having success using it. The ones promoting it insist that no one has been harmed and that it is completely safe. MD is doing clinical studies with it right now and from what I understand, so far so good. I would NOT recommend making the soup yourself unless you have plants that have been raised organically and you are very, very sure of your ability to following directions specifically - especially the filtration part. Oleander is a very poisonous plant. They grow freely here in Texas, in fact, we just pulled up three in our yard last week as they can get huge. We still have several in our backyard. Tony Isaacs has a forum about oleader at curezone.com and also a forum. I do believe the recipe is in the files at the forum as well as success stories. Again, I would recommend buying the capsules since they contain oleander and Sutherlandia Frutescens which is known as the cancer bush. It will save you some time and you will not have to worry whether or not you have made it correctly. www.sutherlandiaopc.com Possible Adverse Effects Possible side effects from this herbal mix when used as a dietary supplement may be slight nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, pruritus, pain at a tumour site, tachycardia and arrhythmias. Because of its blood-thinning properties, people on medical blood-thinning preparations should consult their doctors before using the OPC. People on heart-active drugs, such as digoxin (LanoxinR) or anti-arrhythmics should also speak to their doctors before using the mixture. No other drug interactions have been reported. Pregnant women should preferably not use the mixture due to its anti-angiogenesis effect. Other short term detoxification symptoms like a slight rash, runny nose, pimples, slightly painful joints, etc, may be experienced. The Sutherlandia in the mixture may cause a slight dryness in the mouth. From MD : Low potassium levels in the blood may increase the dangerous side effects of oleander. Therefore, oleander should be used cautiously with drugs that may lower potassium levels, such as laxatives or some diuretics (drugs that increase urine flow). Interactions with Herbs and Dietary Supplements Common oleander and yellow oleander contain cardiac glycoside heart-active substances. Herbs or supplements that may cause increased heart effects/damage if taken with oleander include: adonis, balloon cotton, black hellebore root/melampode, black Indian hemp, bushman's poison, cactus grandifloris, convallaria, eyebright, figwort, foxglove/digitalis, frangipani, hedge mustard, hemp root/Canadian hemp root, king's crown, lily-of-the-valley, motherwort, pheasant's eye plant, plantain leaf, pleurisy root, psyllium husks, redheaded cotton-bush, rhubarb root, rubber vine, sea-mango, senna fruit, squill, strophanthus, uzara, wallflower, wintersweet and yellow dock root. Notably, bufalin/Chan Suis is a Chinese herbal formula that has been reported as toxic or fatal when taken with cardiac glycosides. Toxic effects of oleander on the heart may be increased if used with calcium supplements or herbs that lower potassium levels, such as licorice. Potassium levels theoretically may be reduced by herbs and supplements with laxative properties such as senna or psyllium, or herbs and supplements with diuretic properties (increasing urine flow) such as artichoke, celery, corn silk, couchgrass, dandelion, elder flower, horsetail, juniper berry, kava, shepherd's purse, uva ursi, yarrow. Laxative herbs include alder buckthorn, aloe dried leaf sap, black root, blue flag rhizome, butternut bark, dong quai, European buckthorn, eyebright, cascara bark, castor oil, chasteberry, colocynth fruit pulp, dandelion, gamboges bark, horsetail, jalap root, manna bark, plantain leaf, podophyllum root, psyllium, rhubarb, senna, wild cucumber fruit and yellow dock root. Be Well Loretta -----Original Message----- Has anybody tried that. I have not seen people talking about this plant. I was doing research yesterday, it is interesting. Suzanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 MD is a partner in the development of this product, and has been conducting clinical studies with oleander extract under the name Anvirzel for some time now. Previously, (may still be) it was a self administered daily injectable obtainable through a compassionate care license in the Honduras. Original status enhanced quality of life for patients, may have stopped tumor growth, but not sure of successful remissions. They have since revised the formulation into a pill format as I have been told. Remission success stories have been mentioned, although no stats or info is available at this time. MDA began their study focus on it as a chemo adjunct as it relieved if not prevented the nauseau associated with chemo. It has evolved from there. Sources say the FDA is very interested in the work and awaiting further submissions for review and potential approval. Chuck Dr. Loretta Lanphier wrote: > > > I always try everything that I recommend so I tried the liquid > Sutherlandia > a month or so ago. I would NOT recommend the liquid. Supposedly I got a > bottle that was not filtered correctly (may have had mold) but now > they have > a better company doing the filtering and processing, etc. I am quite used > to detoxification and cleansing symptoms, but the side-effects that I had > were not fun and a little scary. > > They have since sent me a couple of bottles of the capsules and I will be > trying those next week. I do have oleander on the Products To Research > that > I recommend to people because it seems that some are having success using > it. The ones promoting it insist that no one has been harmed and that > it is > completely safe. > > MD is doing clinical studies with it right now and from what I > understand, so far so good. > > I would NOT recommend making the soup yourself unless you have plants that > have been raised organically and you are very, very sure of your > ability to > following directions specifically - especially the filtration part. > Oleander > is a very poisonous plant. They grow freely here in Texas, in fact, we > just > pulled up three in our yard last week as they can get huge. We still have > several in our backyard. > > Tony Isaacs has a forum about oleader at curezone.com and also a > forum. I do believe the recipe is in the files at the forum as well as > success stories. Again, I would recommend buying the capsules since they > contain oleander and Sutherlandia Frutescens which is known as the cancer > bush. It will save you some time and you will not have to worry whether or > not you have made it correctly. > > www.sutherlandiaopc.com > > Possible Adverse Effects > Possible side effects from this herbal mix when used as a dietary > supplement > may be slight nausea and vomiting, diarrhea, pruritus, pain at a tumour > site, tachycardia and arrhythmias. Because of its blood-thinning > properties, > people on medical blood-thinning preparations should consult their doctors > before using the OPC. People on heart-active drugs, such as digoxin > (LanoxinR) or anti-arrhythmics should also speak to their doctors before > using the mixture. No other drug interactions have been reported. Pregnant > women should preferably not use the mixture due to its anti-angiogenesis > effect. Other short term detoxification symptoms like a slight rash, runny > nose, pimples, slightly painful joints, etc, may be experienced. The > Sutherlandia in the mixture may cause a slight dryness in the mouth. > > >From MD : > > Low potassium levels in the blood may increase the dangerous side > effects of > oleander. Therefore, oleander should be used cautiously with drugs > that may > lower potassium levels, such as laxatives or some diuretics (drugs that > increase urine flow). > > Interactions with Herbs and Dietary Supplements > Common oleander and yellow oleander contain cardiac glycoside heart-active > substances. Herbs or supplements that may cause increased heart > effects/damage if taken with oleander include: adonis, balloon cotton, > black > hellebore root/melampode, black Indian hemp, bushman's poison, cactus > grandifloris, convallaria, eyebright, figwort, foxglove/digitalis, > frangipani, hedge mustard, hemp root/Canadian hemp root, king's crown, > lily-of-the-valley, motherwort, pheasant's eye plant, plantain leaf, > pleurisy root, psyllium husks, redheaded cotton-bush, rhubarb root, rubber > vine, sea-mango, senna fruit, squill, strophanthus, uzara, wallflower, > wintersweet and yellow dock root. Notably, bufalin/Chan Suis is a Chinese > herbal formula that has been reported as toxic or fatal when taken with > cardiac glycosides. > > Toxic effects of oleander on the heart may be increased if used with > calcium > supplements or herbs that lower potassium levels, such as licorice. > Potassium levels theoretically may be reduced by herbs and supplements > with > laxative properties such as senna or psyllium, or herbs and > supplements with > diuretic properties (increasing urine flow) such as artichoke, celery, > corn > silk, couchgrass, dandelion, elder flower, horsetail, juniper berry, kava, > shepherd's purse, uva ursi, yarrow. Laxative herbs include alder > buckthorn, > aloe dried leaf sap, black root, blue flag rhizome, butternut bark, dong > quai, European buckthorn, eyebright, cascara bark, castor oil, > chasteberry, > colocynth fruit pulp, dandelion, gamboges bark, horsetail, jalap root, > manna > bark, plantain leaf, podophyllum root, psyllium, rhubarb, senna, wild > cucumber fruit and yellow dock root. > > Be Well > Loretta > > > -----Original Message----- > > Has anybody tried that. I have not seen people talking about this plant. > I was doing research yesterday, it is interesting. > > Suzanna > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Yes, as I said--it must be boiled at least 6 hours to nullify the poison. Then it becomes perfectly safe. Samala, -------Original Message------- Be very careful w/this. It's true that oleander branches were used to poison and murder a man's business partner in California many years ago. Also, a few children have died from eating the flowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 Yeah, it is funny to think about. Like, who first decided it was ok to eat grasshoppers? Or that if you cut out the poison section juuuuust right, you can eat blow fish? We are very, very lucky. My uncle lived in Florida and went fishing off the piers. He met a guy that said it was ok to eat blowfish and showed him how to clean it. So Uncle ate whatever he caught, and when we went to visit he cooked some up for us. I do have to say, it was good. It wasn't until a few years later that he found out that if your knife slips into the wrong section, or you miss a section, that deadly poison spreads to the rest of the meat and you eat it--and die. Once he heard that he never ate blowfish again. Samala, -------Original Message------- Can you imagine the guy who figured this out. "Well I boiled it for 2 hours and everybody is dead. I guess I'll boil it longer and try again" LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 Yep. As I said, we were all lucky--to be alive still. Lol My uncle is no pro chef and there's no known antidote. Samala, -------Original Message------- I heard that in Japan an average of 12 sushi chefs die every year from this. DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 ....yeah, it's part of their sushi code of honor that if they kill anyone with messed up blowfish they must hari-kiri themselves and the surviving family of their victims are invited to watch. that just came to me in a vision, so you might have a hard time validating it on the web. bobL > [ ] Re: Oleander soup > > > It wasn't until a few years later that he found out that if your > knife slips > into the wrong section, or you miss a section, that deadly poison > spreads to > the rest of the meat and you eat it--and die. Once he heard that he never > ate blowfish again. > > I heard that in Japan an average of 12 sushi chefs die every year > from this. > DB > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 It's probably from a past life experience. Samala, -------Original Message------- That just came to me in a vision, so you might have a hard time validating it on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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