Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 In a message dated 3/15/05 12:09:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, vgammill@... writes: > For the past three centuries scientists and madmen have tried to prove > that magnets would cure or treat something, anything They say the same about homeopathy and it works! When I seriously pulled a muscle in my calf, the orthopedic surgeon told me to expect a lot of black and blue showing up. I used magnet wraps round the clock and never did see any discoloration. I have found the effects of magnets to work for some ailments and not others. I had no preconception about magnets and have used them with the understanding that they might or might not work. For the things they work for, they work quite well. Much like homeopathic results. My best friend is an energy healer from Soviet Georgia. If not for her, I would be in a wheel chair. I had responses to her healing that at first were quite frightening. I had four blocked chakras and when she started moving the energy around I experienced pressure and excruciating pain, but once the blood flow got going, the pain decreased noticeably. I had a healer work on me once..a very powerful healer. I thought she was touching my feet at one point, the sensation was so intense. I opened my eyes to take a peek and she had actually left the room. Do not fall into the box of disbelief of esoteric treatments from magnets to energy healing to rife to acupuncture to meditation etc. Energy healing is a powerful form of healing, not to be disrespected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Interesting. Beg to differ.. Journal of Pain Management, peer-reviewed journal, had a double-blind study from about four years ago on ankle/foot pain, and six months later, over 70% of those who had magnets (and not dummies) still had pain relief, whereas the placebo group was at 15%. I'd say it works, but the magnets have to be fairly strong. None of these " bracelet " things. Dave Gammill wrote: > Recent research in England (British Medical Journal, Vol 329, p. 1450) > proves that the use of magnets for pain relief -- such as for arthritis -- > only works if you believe in it. This confirms research conducted by Mark > Winemiller of the Mayo Clinic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Ray, There is no reason why the godzilla can't be used to effectively treat the prostate cancer. After all, there is no difference between it and the GEIPE device that Jay is promoting. All it will take is to visit the GEIPE instruction site: http://www.cancer-treatment.net/Non-Invasive_GEIPE-Instructions.htm study the instructions, purchase the right electrodes and apply the instructions to the godzilla, using the new electrodes. Bear in mind however that the operating battery voltage, for the reasons given by the pioneer, Jay, must be kept below 9 volts -- 6 volts precisely, while the current is adjusted through proper skin preparation and electrode size to not less than 2.5 mA. Well, it is said that most serious health problems start from wrong food, habits etc -- resulting in poor digestion and assimilation. So, treating these maladies with electro-devices without addressing the life-style issue, is like trying to put off a fire alarm without putting off the fire!! Please, see the site below for additional info on specific nutrition for cancer treatments: http://www.cancertutor.com/AltTreatments/Alt_Diet.html If you are going to treat Fungi/molds which seem to be at base of most cancers, consider the product Threelac. for more info visit: http://www. .org/ Wishing you speedy recovery! Goddy. Re: Magnets Ray, I don't have prostate cancer. For my arthritic hip I use a device commonly called a Magnetic Pulser. this is ssentially a camera flash unit without the light source. The device is supplied by <http://www.sotainstruments.com/> out of Canada. I pulse every night and this makes my life very comfortable. I can walk all daywithout pain. Without this device I would be in constant pain. It pulses a strong magnetic pulse into the body and will reach about 9 inches into flesh and bone. The pulsing I believe promotes and stimulates the blood supply to the tissue inside the hip joint. I strongly believe the pulses too reach and keep my prostate well supplied with blood flow etc. Do some research via Google and better inform yourself about what this device might achieve for you. I constantly wear 6 tiny very powerful rare earth magnets just under my right my knee and this also promotes the blood supply and makes my knee very comfortable. I made/sewed my own magnetic therapy knee strip with heavy cotton tape and velcro. Small powerful magnets do not penetrate very deep into tissue etc, maybe an inch or two. The magnetic pulser does penetrate far deeper. I recently set/sewed (15 x 2 -- 1.5 x5mm dia.-- three rows of 5 magnets on each shoulder top about an inch apart) magnets into a shoulder harness supported by wide contractor/carpenter type suspenders. Within three days this allowed me to resume bench presses on my weight bench -- I don't use a lot of weight and find this type of weight training done on a regular work out schedule very important for my health (keeps your bones strong and fights off their softening) now that I'm getting on in years. Again, very small, very powerful rare earth magnets. Do a Google search and find yourself a supplier! This is important: the magnets must be orientated so that the pole that attracts a compass needle towards North is the magnet side that is towards the skin or body. The Pulser is also orientated in this way. Again, I couldn't live without my magnets or my pulser. I take it with me when I travel, in fact, I'm going to get another just to have a spare!! This is not to be considered medical advice. I am not a doctor. I'm an individual who has taken control and accepts responsibility for my health and well being. I have spent hundreds of hours of reseach into methods to improve and maintain my bodily and mental health. This is all the information I'm able to volunteer. You might want to do any further research. You might supply more exact information on the unit you are using, including who supplies it, cost etc. This will allow others to comment with more knowledge and input. I have no financial interest in Sota Instruments. Hansie Axyl > > I have prostate cancer. I was told that I could not use a TENS unit > because of the cancer. > > I purchased a unit from www.earthpulse.net that is supposed to help me > sleep. They said that it could be used with cancer. > > This unit has 2 magnets. There's no pads like the tens instrument. > They said this unit could also be used to help areas of pain caused by > arthritis. I also have arthritis. It does help the arthritis pain > some. It is not the magic bullet as far as sleeping goes but I think > it does help some. > > The unit can be adjusted to different frequencies.They are referred to > as Delta Rhythim, Theta Rhythm and there are 4 others. > > My question is: Can this unit be used safely with cancer? > I think my prostatis is getting worse but this may not be caused by > the magnets. > > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Ray The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing, you agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages from anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Ray, There is no reason why the godzilla can't be used to effectively treat the prostate cancer. After all, there is no difference between it and the GEIPE device that Jay is promoting. All it will take is to visit the GEIPE instruction site: http://www.cancer-treatment.net/Non-Invasive_GEIPE-Instructions.htm study the instructions, purchase the right electrodes and apply the instructions to the godzilla, using the new electrodes. Bear in mind however that the operating battery voltage, for the reasons given by the pioneer, Jay, must be kept below 9 volts -- 6 volts precisely, while the current is adjusted through proper skin preparation and electrode size to not less than 2.5 mA. Well, it is said that most serious health problems start from wrong food, habits etc -- resulting in poor digestion and assimilation. So, treating these maladies with electro-devices without addressing the life-style issue, is like trying to put off a fire alarm without putting off the fire!! Please, see the site below for additional info on specific nutrition for cancer treatments: http://www.cancertutor.com/AltTreatments/Alt_Diet.html If you are going to treat Fungi/molds which seem to be at base of most cancers, consider the product Threelac. for more info visit: http://www. .org/ Wishing you speedy recovery! Goddy. Re: Magnets Ray, I don't have prostate cancer. For my arthritic hip I use a device commonly called a Magnetic Pulser. this is ssentially a camera flash unit without the light source. The device is supplied by <http://www.sotainstruments.com/> out of Canada. I pulse every night and this makes my life very comfortable. I can walk all daywithout pain. Without this device I would be in constant pain. It pulses a strong magnetic pulse into the body and will reach about 9 inches into flesh and bone. The pulsing I believe promotes and stimulates the blood supply to the tissue inside the hip joint. I strongly believe the pulses too reach and keep my prostate well supplied with blood flow etc. Do some research via Google and better inform yourself about what this device might achieve for you. I constantly wear 6 tiny very powerful rare earth magnets just under my right my knee and this also promotes the blood supply and makes my knee very comfortable. I made/sewed my own magnetic therapy knee strip with heavy cotton tape and velcro. Small powerful magnets do not penetrate very deep into tissue etc, maybe an inch or two. The magnetic pulser does penetrate far deeper. I recently set/sewed (15 x 2 -- 1.5 x5mm dia.-- three rows of 5 magnets on each shoulder top about an inch apart) magnets into a shoulder harness supported by wide contractor/carpenter type suspenders. Within three days this allowed me to resume bench presses on my weight bench -- I don't use a lot of weight and find this type of weight training done on a regular work out schedule very important for my health (keeps your bones strong and fights off their softening) now that I'm getting on in years. Again, very small, very powerful rare earth magnets. Do a Google search and find yourself a supplier! This is important: the magnets must be orientated so that the pole that attracts a compass needle towards North is the magnet side that is towards the skin or body. The Pulser is also orientated in this way. Again, I couldn't live without my magnets or my pulser. I take it with me when I travel, in fact, I'm going to get another just to have a spare!! This is not to be considered medical advice. I am not a doctor. I'm an individual who has taken control and accepts responsibility for my health and well being. I have spent hundreds of hours of reseach into methods to improve and maintain my bodily and mental health. This is all the information I'm able to volunteer. You might want to do any further research. You might supply more exact information on the unit you are using, including who supplies it, cost etc. This will allow others to comment with more knowledge and input. I have no financial interest in Sota Instruments. Hansie Axyl > > I have prostate cancer. I was told that I could not use a TENS unit > because of the cancer. > > I purchased a unit from www.earthpulse.net that is supposed to help me > sleep. They said that it could be used with cancer. > > This unit has 2 magnets. There's no pads like the tens instrument. > They said this unit could also be used to help areas of pain caused by > arthritis. I also have arthritis. It does help the arthritis pain > some. It is not the magic bullet as far as sleeping goes but I think > it does help some. > > The unit can be adjusted to different frequencies.They are referred to > as Delta Rhythim, Theta Rhythm and there are 4 others. > > My question is: Can this unit be used safely with cancer? > I think my prostatis is getting worse but this may not be caused by > the magnets. > > Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Ray The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing, you agree to hold harmless the posters, including moderator, from damages from anything you find here whether jointly, severally, or individually. We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about repeatability, or whether this might have medical benefits. Thanks, for your understanding, good luck researching. --bG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > To me, it seems rather unlikely that people are sensitive to a PURE > DC field, such as that produced by a bar magnet Having tried many absurd-sounding gizmos in the last few years, one of them was called " Immortality Rings " , which were supposed to stop your aging process. These were simply some strong magnets that you wore as a ring around your finger. I can tell you, that I had a horrible reaction to these magnets on my fingers, and it only took a couple minutes! I was getting terrible chest pains and anxiety... the same symptoms that some other foods, supplements, and EMF protection devices give me. But of course, my theory is that all of the above are mobilizing toxins into my bloodstream, and I am reacting to the toxins. But still, it is an adverse reaction to a magnet, as far as most people would be concerned. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Could be, and I've seen some weird things also, so I'm not discounting your experience. I DO believe that some of these magnets in targeted areas can have effects on the body. Many of these magnetic bracelets/rings are THOUSANDS of gauss (MILLIONS of miligauss), placed right next to your skin (rings, bracelets). It's possible they have biological effects. The point I was making is that you are already in a 300-500milligauss DC magnetic field, all the time, from the earth. Adding a few milligauss of DC field on top of that from a pure DC lighting system seems unlikely to cause symptoms. Even at 10x the strength, it's still far less than the field of the earth. Just trying to put things in perspective. On Mar 23, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Marc wrote: >> To me, it seems rather unlikely that people are sensitive to a PURE >> DC field, such as that produced by a bar magnet > > Having tried many absurd-sounding gizmos in the last few years, > one of them was called " Immortality Rings " , which were supposed > to stop your aging process. These were simply some strong > magnets that you wore as a ring around your finger. > > I can tell you, that I had a horrible reaction to these magnets > on my fingers, and it only took a couple minutes! I was getting > terrible chest pains and anxiety... the same symptoms that some > other foods, supplements, and EMF protection devices give me. > > But of course, my theory is that all of the above are mobilizing > toxins into my bloodstream, and I am reacting to the toxins. But > still, it is an adverse reaction to a magnet, as far as most > people would be concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I'd read about those rings Marc,never got to try one though. I suspect if it made you that ill so quickly they had the wrong poles facing. Yes, our bodies should normally be fine with the earth's fields, as we're made to be okay with it. Small additional ones, at possibly the wrong strengths, could be harmful. I know someone who had a similar reaction to Marc's, by applying one to their shoulder that was suppose to help with healing, but caused pain. Japan has more knowledge than we do about magnetic usage. The helpful and harmful poles. The positive can cause swelling, congestion and other problems. The wrong fields cause genetic damage and sometimes ghastly results in experiments, such as 3 legged carnivorous chickens. Anyone wanting to feel a magnetic field w/o electric, just take a couple off your fridge and put like poles together. Separate from electricity and static is the only way to get a pure magnetic field. I wonder how much of our troubles are " enhanced " by the earth's decaying magnetic field? It's not near what it once was. ~ Snoshoe > > Could be, and I've seen some weird things also, so I'm not > discounting your experience. I DO believe that some of these > magnets in targeted areas can have effects on the body. Many of > these magnetic bracelets/rings are THOUSANDS of gauss (MILLIONS of > miligauss), placed right next to your skin (rings, bracelets). It's > possible they have biological effects. > > The point I was making is that you are already in a 300- 500milligauss > DC magnetic field, all the time, from the earth. Adding a few > milligauss of DC field on top of that from a pure DC lighting system > seems unlikely to cause symptoms. Even at 10x the strength, it's > still far less than the field of the earth. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > But don't you think that you needed the detoxing? Yes, I *do* think I need the detoxing, but it cannot be done using a method that's going to cause more harm than good. If you are having adverse detox reactions, then most likely you are redistributing the toxins to another part of the body, and doing more damage. You are not getting them out of your body. You have to detox at a rate that your liver, kidneys, etc. can handle. You also have to detox at a rate that your body can adequately replace the toxins with whatever mineral was supposed to be there in the first place. You can't expect it to happen overnight. I spent a year on medical disability detoxing, only to realize that there was no end in sight to this, and I really had to slow down and do it at a rate that I could also live my life and earn a living. People have died from attempting to detoxify to rapidly. If one method of detox seems to be doing you more harm then good, then I say try another. There seems to be a great number of methods to choose from. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Hi again, Marc, I guess our differences are in the semantics. I do understand why you could not use a magnet to detox--it was detoxing too much. However, my point was that often people say they react to items/supplements with bad reactions and quit them, when this is really due to ANY detoxing--large or small. If you avoid all symptoms of detoxing, you never recover fully from CFIDS/FMS. (I know, Marc, that this does not apply to you personally. You have detoxed to the point of recovery.) We do, however, have to choose a level of detoxing that we can live with (which usually still means you are sick, just not as sick as to be dysfunctional. But for me personally, I did need to be nearly dysfunctional to begin this process.) I have noticed that I do not get as ill from even heavy detoxing when I couple it with added fiber for the toxins to bind to, tho. I agree that you can redistribute the toxins to other parts of the body if not careful, but this has nothing to do with most of the discomfort involved. That has to do with the ability of the elimination systems of the body to handle the load. Also there is alot to be understood with how toxins bind to saturated fats, etc with this subject. It is complex. There are other considerations entirely if the toxin is a heavy metal. I reacted badly to both molybdenum and pantethine. These are necessary nutrients for the lymphatic system and sulfination (sp?) pathway, from what I understand. Each of these nutrients have helped me greatly over the past year, however, I got horrific reactions from both when I first started them. I quit taking each of them altogether. Later my nutritionist wanted me to go back on each of them and I explained the situation. He told me to take miniscule amounts and build up on them, which I did. They worked great this way. Within a week I was taking the full capsules/tablets. Within another couple weeks, I was taking mega doses of pantethine. He told me that I would have also worked thru tolerance if I had kept taking them at the full dose to begin with. It would have just taken me a week or so, but I would have been sicker for awhile and worked thru that. (These did make me totally dysfunctional, tho, so I doubt myself that I could have gone this route.) Now, when I get this reaction with new items/supplements, I do not regard it as necessarily bad. I continue doing whatever is giving me the reaction and see if it tapers off in a few days. If the reaction is extreme or severe, I lessen the dose or I put the item further away from me. But I do not quit the product altogether. Usually I find that the reaction levels off and I tolerate it better within a week. Am I ill alot while doing this? Yes, I am. However, the quicker I can detox, the better I am each time I take a break from it. I do not stop a product if it continues to give me ongoing detox symptoms either. I take many supplements that give me ongoing detox symptoms, I just adjust the doses to a level I can live with. Obviously I am not going to make myself ill to the point of being totally dysfunctional, but I now realize that to get to where I want to go (total, full health), I am going to have to endure some pain along the way. I have gone from bed-bound to just pretty nearly normal. In just the past year alone, I have gone from unable to exert myself physically without a relapse (rapidly falling bp and total adrenal dysfunction) to the point of being able to exercise on a regular basis. I am not going to qualify for a tri-athelon competition anytime soon, but in my eyes this is great progress. My original point was that many people never get to actual detoxing because they think that any discomfort is a bad thing. You cannot detox without discomfort. Also, detoxing takes a very long time. While we are detoxing, we are accumulating new toxins in most cases. Some of our toxins are replicating (as in the example of bad gut flora.) Such is life and even more so in the days in which we live. Diane Marc <marc@...> wrote: > But don't you think that you needed the detoxing? Yes, I *do* think I need the detoxing, but it cannot be done using a method that's going to cause more harm than good. If you are having adverse detox reactions, then most likely you are redistributing the toxins to another part of the body, and doing more damage. --------------------------------- Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 > >So when you wear a magnet next to skin what about blood polarity heama/metal content will this generate a form of occillating feild ? will it have effect of altering the electron spin in blood corpusles etc which must have a major knock on effect. One theory I have is that my Tinittus may be partly due/exacerbated by, a change in blood polarity as it passes my audiological nerve which then stimulates the nerve and cillia in a foreign way hence hf sounds etc ... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 This issue re earths decaying mag feilds has got to be part of the problem this would gradually alter so many of our trusted physical laws as ES persons we may be the first to know ! Lets face it we are canaries down the mine or perhaps organic Barometers, I am sure that the answers to alot of this are to be found in genes, tracing your tree and perhpas there is a purpose to our torment that lies hidden for know. There is nothing new under the sun, however ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 Hello, everything that is magnetic, whether DC or AC, does have an impact on the body. The impact on electrosensible people is much greater than on ordinary people. So my advice is, stay away from it as far away as possible. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 > everything that is magnetic, whether DC or AC, does have an impact on the > body. One of the things that has mystified me in the past year is how the latest iteration of my employer's work ID badge causes me problems. So much so that I probably only wear it for a few minutes a day. Since the badge has no power source (although it does have a proximity antenna plus some kind of chip with 32k memory), I wonder if it simply has something magnetic in it that's bothering me... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I am mildly ES, but react strongly to cell phones. I am not (yet) convinced that this is just one problem, I think you can be sensitive to microwaves more than ordinary electro fields. Anyway, I use the North pole of magnets against skin regularly with no trouble at all. They are very helpful, I use them to relax the liver (assists with detox), to treat pain (especially dental), to treat insect bites (my whole family uses them for this, very powerful), and to assist with sleep (you actually must use the magnets late afternoon to help with sleep that night). I have also used them to stop seizure activity (a magnetic headband). Sometimes I get a mild tinnitus from the magnets, but it does not last, and the benefits outweigh that mild noise. But if someone uses a cell phone within about 10m, my brain feels like it is full of glue. Just bogs down for awhile. Magnets are not EMF, they are natural magnetics and do not have 'frequency' issues. --Kurt SPAM-MED: Re: magnets > >So when you wear a magnet next to skin what about blood polarity heama/metal content will this generate a form of occillating feild ? will it have effect of altering the electron spin in blood corpusles etc which must have a major knock on effect. One theory I have is that my Tinittus may be partly due/exacerbated by, a change in blood polarity as it passes my audiological nerve which then stimulates the nerve and cillia in a foreign way hence hf sounds etc ... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Hello Kurt, there you are wrong. Magnets belong to EMF. We have: electrical AC fields magnetic AC fields electrical DC fields magnetic DC fields (where the magnets belong) electromagnetic DC fields First you feel a lot of high frequency fields, but later you will be also more sensible to low frequency fields. Be aware. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus > > Sometimes I get a mild tinnitus from the magnets, but it does not last, > and the benefits outweigh that mild noise. But if someone uses a cell > phone within about 10m, my brain feels like it is full of glue. Just > bogs down for awhile. > > Magnets are not EMF, they are natural magnetics and do not have > 'frequency' issues. > > --Kurt > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 And, just as a clarifiicatin, magnetic DC fields created by permanent magnets and magnetic DC fields created by electrical currents are exactly the same. As mentioned prior, the 500 milligauss natural magnetic field of the earth is generated, in fact, by circulating DC electricity. On Mar 25, 2006, at 10:39 AM, charles wrote: > Hello Kurt, there you are wrong. > > Magnets belong to EMF. > > We have: > electrical AC fields > magnetic AC fields > electrical DC fields > magnetic DC fields (where the magnets belong) > electromagnetic DC fields > > First you feel a lot of high frequency fields, but later you will > be also > more sensible to low frequency fields. > Be aware. > > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > >> >> Sometimes I get a mild tinnitus from the magnets, but it does not >> last, >> and the benefits outweigh that mild noise. But if someone uses a >> cell >> phone within about 10m, my brain feels like it is full of glue. Just >> bogs down for awhile. >> >> Magnets are not EMF, they are natural magnetics and do not have >> 'frequency' issues. >> >> --Kurt >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Hi Kurt and , Interesting discussion. I know zip about anything technical here (I am an artist/muscian type), so it is helpful for me to learn from all you guys (and ladies) here who know what you are talking about. One thing I have wondered tho.... Marc and I have been having a discussion about detoxing and it has occurred to me that even my cell phone reactions *COULD BE* a type of serious detoxing. (I am not saying they are, but that I am wondering if this is possible). Could this be so and, if so, could all ES be a type of detoxing, or could this be mixed--magnetic causing detoxing and other frequencies causing other reactions to toxins we already have in our bodies? This is probably a very stupid question, I know. But I don't expect any of you to play Beethoven symphonies, either so be kind. lol I just notice that most of us here have toxin issues. So, is the ES reacting to the toxins by pulling them out (detoxing) or by magnifying the affects of the toxins and making them stronger? What about this, everybody? Does anyone have an opinion to share? Kurt, it is also interesting about your electrolyte needs. I, too, seem to need alot of electrolytes. I really like the fizz tabs by " Electro-Blast " --they are like alka-seltzers you put into water and are sweetened with only stevia, which is the only sweetener I use. What electrolytes do you use? Diane " Kurt R. " <kurt@...> wrote: I don't believe that permanent magnets are in the same class as EMF, as there is no electricity involved. Magnets are natural, we have a magnet in our brains! In the pineal gland. The body is supposed to have magnetic fields, it uses them. The body also relies on the earth's magnetic field. A permanent magnet can be very helpful with many medical conditions. But I agree with you that the sensitivity to even permanent magnets could change, I have experienced this. When I am sick for example, my sensitivity to the magnets changes a bit, but usually I actually need them even more during that time. I think this is complicated, the problems occur when an external field interferes with our own field. Perhaps tolerance will vary according to the type of illness a person has. Much of this also may relate to ion channelopathies. I usually take electrolytes every few hours, and that helps me a great deal. --------------------------------- New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 > Marc and I have been having a discussion about detoxing and > it has occurred to me that even my cell phone reactions *COULD BE* > a type of serious detoxing. Could this be so and, if so, > could all ES be a type of detoxing, or could this be mixed--magnetic > causing detoxing and other frequencies causing other reactions to > toxins we already have in our bodies? This is probably a very > stupid question, I know. Actually, I think that is a very smart question. I think a lot of people with ES are indeed having " detox " reactions when exposed to EMF. That is, the EMF is stirring up toxins into their bloodstream, then they start having an adverse reaction. That is why when they try something that is good for detoxification, they may find themselves with *worse* ES symptoms than before. In such a case, one really should focus on using things that help you deal with those mobilized toxins (e.g., taking antioxidants or electrolytes or fiber), or things that will reduce the mobilization (e.g, avoidance of EMF fields). One thing that I tried that *really* helped my ES symptoms was taking antibiotics. Well, of course, antibiotics are known to halt any detoxification processes dead in their tracks. No detox = no ES. When I talk about EMF protection devices, I note that some make me worse, and some make me better. I think the critical factor with these devices are how it affects my detoxification processes. For example, the Springlife Polarizers seem to have the same effect as mercury chelator -- that is, they can make you feel better, but if you take too much you will start feeling terrible. On the other hand, the Quantum Products are like taking antibiotics -- they offer instant relief, but they also bring your detoxification processes to a halt. I go back and forth using these things, helping me detox at a rate that I am comfortable with, and that essentially eliminates my ES problems. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 No, no, no. That is utterly nonsense. Electrical currents have nothing to do with static magnetic fields. The earth has a magnetic field of about 45.000 nT (nanoTesla). This has always been, even before the dark Middle Ages, when there even was no currents, no AC and no DC. Electricity only exists for the last 200 years. There are deviations on this magnetic field, by underground water flows, ruptures in the underground, earth beams, etc. Those differences can be measured with a magnetometer. Magnetic fields exist also in many metal parts, like the springs in your mattress, or the supporting underwired bra. Or metal supporting beams in houses. One may check this with a compass. First check where North is; then go over the place, and when the needle shows a different direction, you have found a spot. A Tesla or Gauss meter only measures AC magnetic fields. AC magnetic fields only occur where current is flowing. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Re: magnets > And, just as a clarifiicatin, magnetic DC fields created by permanent > magnets and magnetic DC fields created by electrical currents are > exactly the same. As mentioned prior, the 500 milligauss natural > magnetic field of the earth is generated, in fact, by circulating DC > electricity. > > On Mar 25, 2006, at 10:39 AM, charles wrote: > >> Hello Kurt, there you are wrong. >> >> Magnets belong to EMF. >> >> We have: >> electrical AC fields >> magnetic AC fields >> electrical DC fields >> magnetic DC fields (where the magnets belong) >> electromagnetic DC fields >> >> First you feel a lot of high frequency fields, but later you will >> be also >> more sensible to low frequency fields. >> Be aware. >> >> >> Greetings, >> Claessens >> member Verband Baubiologie >> www.milieuziektes.nl >> www.milieuziektes.be >> www.hetbitje.nl >> checked by Norton Antivirus >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 > No, no, no. > That is utterly nonsense. > Electrical currents have nothing to do with static magnetic fields. Yes, they do. I rarely post nonsense, but I have been known to make mistakes. Not this time, though. Since some on this list seem unlikely to believe me, here is a quote from NASA's educational website The exploration of the Earth's Magnetosphere " and a link which backs up my explanation. " In space, on the Sun and in the Earth's core, electric currents are the only source of magnetism. We loosely refer to the region of their influence as their magnetic field, a term which will be further discussed later. " - NASA Here is that website: http://www-spof.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/ wmfield.html And another that confirms the earth's magnetism comes from circulating electrical currents in the core: http://istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/earthmag/dynamos2.htm If you don't believe NASA, the canadians basically say the same thing on their science and technology museum web site... http:// www.sciencetech.technomuses.ca/English/schoolzone/Info_Magnets.cfm " ... the Earth's magnetic field is produced by electric currents. One theory accounting for the production of these currents is that deep in the Earth's core, hot molten magma rises, cools and sinks. Then, the whole process repeats itself. It is thought that within these rising and falling masses of magma the rotation of the Earth creates organized patterns of circular electrical currents, called eddies. The interior of the planet in fact acts like a giant dynamo. " > The earth has a magnetic field of about 45.000 nT (nanoTesla). > This has always been, even before the dark Middle Ages, when there > even was > no currents, no AC and no DC. > Electricity only exists for the last 200 years. As stated above, and in my prior post, it IS generated by naturally circulating DC electrical currents. As you correctly point out, static magnetic fields vary in buildings due to steel or other ferrous metal objects which " distort " the earth's field. Properly installed active DC electrical circuits do also distort the earths magnetic field slightly when activated, but generally far less than the structure of a steel building, or lying on a steel frame bed, for instance. You are correct that a compass can be used to identify these effects, if they are of concern. I think we all agree that AC EMF is a totally different ball of wax, and is produced by AC currents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Evie, I have wondered the same thing, whether some of the EMS sensitivity is a Rife-type of effect on bugs or toxins. Rife uses harmonic resonance to over-stimulate and kill bugs, as a musician you should appreciate that! The same principle as strings on a piano or guitar that will vibrate sympathetically when you sing a note on any major harmonic with the string. This could also be stimulating certain toxins. But if this were the case, then the sensitivity would be only to specific frequencies. For some people that might be what is happening, particularly with phone sensitivity. But for others the sensitivity is to fields and static charge, which does not seem likely to involve frequency. Another theory of my own is that the EMF is interfering with the proper function of the Pineal gland itself. This could happen in some weird ways as various neurological patterns might be triggered by specific frequencies. The brain might actually 'learn' to respond to certain EMFs. Thus the external EMF to turn on or off a number of semi-autonomic nervous system functions. For example, the fight-flight response. I just posted a hypothesis about that on my CFS blog www.kurtsprotocol.blogspot.com <http://www.kurtsprotocol.blogspot.com/> .. As far as electrolytes, I am using Recup, which is perfectly balanced to muscle tissue mineral requirements. www.recuperat-ion.com <http://www.recuperat-ion.com/> . It is from Spain and some people recover from Fibromyalgia and CFS simply with this electrolyte replacing drink. There is no other electrolyte drink that is perfectly balanced like this. --Kurt Re: Re: magnets Hi Kurt and , Interesting discussion. I know zip about anything technical here (I am an artist/muscian type), so it is helpful for me to learn from all you guys (and ladies) here who know what you are talking about. One thing I have wondered tho.... Marc and I have been having a discussion about detoxing and it has occurred to me that even my cell phone reactions *COULD BE* a type of serious detoxing. (I am not saying they are, but that I am wondering if this is possible). Could this be so and, if so, could all ES be a type of detoxing, or could this be mixed--magnetic causing detoxing and other frequencies causing other reactions to toxins we already have in our bodies? This is probably a very stupid question, I know. But I don't expect any of you to play Beethoven symphonies, either so be kind. lol I just notice that most of us here have toxin issues. So, is the ES reacting to the toxins by pulling them out (detoxing) or by magnifying the affects of the toxins and making them stronger? What about this, everybody? Does anyone have an opinion to share? Kurt, it is also interesting about your electrolyte needs. I, too, seem to need alot of electrolytes. I really like the fizz tabs by " Electro-Blast " --they are like alka-seltzers you put into water and are sweetened with only stevia, which is the only sweetener I use. What electrolytes do you use? Diane " Kurt R. " <kurt@...> wrote: I don't believe that permanent magnets are in the same class as EMF, as there is no electricity involved. Magnets are natural, we have a magnet in our brains! In the pineal gland. The body is supposed to have magnetic fields, it uses them. The body also relies on the earth's magnetic field. A permanent magnet can be very helpful with many medical conditions. But I agree with you that the sensitivity to even permanent magnets could change, I have experienced this. When I am sick for example, my sensitivity to the magnets changes a bit, but usually I actually need them even more during that time. I think this is complicated, the problems occur when an external field interferes with our own field. Perhaps tolerance will vary according to the type of illness a person has. Much of this also may relate to ion channelopathies. I usually take electrolytes every few hours, and that helps me a great deal. --------------------------------- New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I mispoke when I said about a truly " just magnetic field " with the static magnets. Everything that exists, every molecule, every grain of sand has an emf frequency that makes it " it " . Although most likely that field is not a problem. Yes, you are right that a current could be produced by moving yourself through the field, or the blood. I almost mentioned that, but didn't. How that could affect your blood and the type of fields that would be produced, I don't know. It wasn't something I covered when I was studying electromagnetism in school. If you have a Nikken distributor they may have a gadget that comes with their kit that could help demonstrate that, and the magnetic field going through the body. ~ Snoshoe > > > >So when you wear a magnet next to skin what about blood polarity > heama/metal content will this generate a form of occillating feild ? > will it have effect of altering the electron spin in blood corpusles > etc which must have a major knock on effect. One theory I have is that > my Tinittus may be partly due/exacerbated by, a change in blood > polarity as it passes my audiological nerve which then stimulates the > nerve and cillia in a foreign way hence hf sounds etc ... ? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Electrosensibles should avoid all products from Nikken. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: magnets >I mispoke when I said about a truly " just magnetic field " with the > static magnets. Everything that exists, every molecule, every grain of > sand has an emf frequency that makes it " it " . > > Although most likely that field is not a problem. Yes, you are right > that a current could be produced by moving yourself through the field, > or the blood. I almost mentioned that, but didn't. > How that could affect your blood and the type of fields that would be > produced, I don't know. It wasn't something I covered when I was > studying electromagnetism in school. > > If you have a Nikken distributor they may have a gadget that comes with > their kit that could help demonstrate that, and the magnetic field > going through the body. > > ~ Snoshoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 I am quite pleased with the effects I get from Nikken. The insoles, the water, the seat cushion, and the back magnet, which I've used to get rid of earaches and swollen glands, as it stimulates the lymph system. ~ Snoshoe > > Electrosensibles should avoid all products from Nikken. > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Hi, Kurt, Thanks for the info. And it is very interesting about harmonics killing bugs! This is a tune I need to learn! lol Thanks also for the electrolyte info. Diane (aka Evie) " Kurt R. " <kurt@...> wrote: Evie, I have wondered the same thing, whether some of the EMS sensitivity is a Rife-type of effect on bugs or toxins. Rife uses harmonic resonance to over-stimulate and kill bugs, as a musician you should appreciate that! The same principle as strings on a piano or guitar that will vibrate sympathetically when you sing a note on any major harmonic with the string. This could also be stimulating certain toxins. But if this were the case, then the sensitivity would be only to specific frequencies. For some people that might be what is happening, particularly with phone sensitivity. But for others the sensitivity is to fields and static charge, which does not seem likely to involve frequency. Another theory of my own is that the EMF is interfering with the proper function of the Pineal gland itself. This could happen in some weird ways as various neurological patterns might be triggered by specific frequencies. The brain might actually 'learn' to respond to certain EMFs. Thus the external EMF to turn on or off a number of semi-autonomic nervous system functions. For example, the fight-flight response. I just posted a hypothesis about that on my CFS blog www.kurtsprotocol.blogspot.com <http://www.kurtsprotocol.blogspot.com/> .. As far as electrolytes, I am using Recup, which is perfectly balanced to muscle tissue mineral requirements. www.recuperat-ion.com <http://www.recuperat-ion.com/> . It is from Spain and some people recover from Fibromyalgia and CFS simply with this electrolyte replacing drink. There is no other electrolyte drink that is perfectly balanced like this. --Kurt Re: Re: magnets Hi Kurt and , Interesting discussion. I know zip about anything technical here (I am an artist/muscian type), so it is helpful for me to learn from all you guys (and ladies) here who know what you are talking about. One thing I have wondered tho.... Marc and I have been having a discussion about detoxing and it has occurred to me that even my cell phone reactions *COULD BE* a type of serious detoxing. (I am not saying they are, but that I am wondering if this is possible). Could this be so and, if so, could all ES be a type of detoxing, or could this be mixed--magnetic causing detoxing and other frequencies causing other reactions to toxins we already have in our bodies? This is probably a very stupid question, I know. But I don't expect any of you to play Beethoven symphonies, either so be kind. lol I just notice that most of us here have toxin issues. So, is the ES reacting to the toxins by pulling them out (detoxing) or by magnifying the affects of the toxins and making them stronger? What about this, everybody? Does anyone have an opinion to share? Kurt, it is also interesting about your electrolyte needs. I, too, seem to need alot of electrolytes. I really like the fizz tabs by " Electro-Blast " --they are like alka-seltzers you put into water and are sweetened with only stevia, which is the only sweetener I use. What electrolytes do you use? Diane " Kurt R. " <kurt@...> wrote: I don't believe that permanent magnets are in the same class as EMF, as there is no electricity involved. Magnets are natural, we have a magnet in our brains! In the pineal gland. The body is supposed to have magnetic fields, it uses them. The body also relies on the earth's magnetic field. A permanent magnet can be very helpful with many medical conditions. But I agree with you that the sensitivity to even permanent magnets could change, I have experienced this. When I am sick for example, my sensitivity to the magnets changes a bit, but usually I actually need them even more during that time. I think this is complicated, the problems occur when an external field interferes with our own field. Perhaps tolerance will vary according to the type of illness a person has. Much of this also may relate to ion channelopathies. I usually take electrolytes every few hours, and that helps me a great deal. --------------------------------- New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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