Re: Possible Reaction to Cleaning Teeth/Mouth wash?

[Guest guest]

Hi fellow members,

Excuse the rather long message and if time is an issue please jump right

to the question in last 2 paragraphs.

Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the local

public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with palpitations,

chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling throughout my body.

Since these symptoms have been building day by day and I was a little

concerned, I felt it would be best to get it checked out. I had no

sleep the night before because of these symptoms and I felt worse as the

day wore on. It turned out that nothing urgent was occurring.

They've suggested a Holter monitor at home for me along with an

echo. They didn't check beyond the heart urgency issue but

everything indicated there'd been no past degeneration of the heart and

other muscles and the blood test and x-ray further ruled out any urgent

heart issue. I've no idea what my BP was when I arrived at the ED

but by the time I was taken into a cubicle and hooked up, it seems my BP

was ok. My doc had listened to my heart, carotid and taken my BP

several days before and had said they all were " turbulent " and

said she'd order an ultrasound to see if there was any

" stiffness " in the aorta. The ED have suggested I wear a

Holter monitor for a few days to further rule out heart issues.

Although I've always been conscious of my heart beat and pulse in

general, and always aware when there seemed to be a bit of a struggle,

usually due to breaking low-carb diet, it is new for it to be like this

when I'm observing my diet. I think it must be due to something I'm

taking or doing but so far I haven't been able to pin it down. My

body is calmer today and I'm not concerned there is anything serious

going on.

I haven't taken even one drop of MMS lately due to starting a new

protocol and not wanting the reaction from it to be confused with a new

one.

I'm taking and doing a lot of things geared to address my health issues

(e.g., B12, Magnesium Oil, DMSO, Oil Pulling (I'm about to add

Oregano Oil to that), Clean Teeth with Bentonite Clay & Mouthwash

Bi-Carb mornings, Drink Glass of Bi-Carb w/few drops lemon,

Thyroxine, Fish Oil, Potassium, Mag Aspartate/Potassium Aspartate,

Colloidal Minerals, Vit D3, Cinnamon, Vitamin C, Selenium, Milk Thistle,

Chromium GTF, Zinc, Zen Chi, Magnesium oral (aid in relief of

constipation), Senokot, Activated Charcoal).

I've just had a slew of tests done again (thyroid, adrenals, Vit D,

Insulin, etc.) and waiting on results.

It's a bit of a long shot but I'm wondering if cleaning my teeth and

mouth washing with 10 activated drops of MMS means some is getting into

my blood stream and killing pathogens and/or stripping plaque from

arteries. If that's possible it could account for the turbulence

I'm feeling at times. I didn't use MMS to clean my teeth and mouth

wash last night. I might not tonight either.

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone thinks the MMS teeth cleaning

could be causing the 'turbulence' as described above?

Thanks for listening.......LD

[Guest guest]

Hi LD

You are having a lot - could things have got a bit out of step?

Magnesium oil (I hope it has other sea mineral chlorides) can easily provide a laxative effect. More of this (and less oral Mg) should have a calming effect.

Review matters just before you sleep, and see if helpful thoughts are there to guide you in the morning.

Good luck,

Phil

Re: [ ] Possible Reaction to Cleaning Teeth/Mouth wash?

Hi fellow members, Excuse the rather long message and if time is an issue please jump right to the question in last 2 paragraphs.Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the local public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with palpitations, chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling throughout my body. Since these symptoms have been building day by day and I was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to get it checked out. I had no sleep the night before because of these symptoms and I felt worse as the day wore on. It turned out that nothing urgent was occurring. They've suggested a Holter monitor at home for me along with an echo. They didn't check beyond the heart urgency issue but everything indicated there'd been no past degeneration of the heart and other muscles and the blood test and x-ray further ruled out any urgent heart issue. I've no idea what my BP was when I arrived at the ED but by the time I was taken into a cubicle and hooked up, it seems my BP was ok. My doc had listened to my heart, carotid and taken my BP several days before and had said they all were "turbulent" and said she'd order an ultrasound to see if there was any "stiffness" in the aorta. The ED have suggested I wear a Holter monitor for a few days to further rule out heart issues.Although I've always been conscious of my heart beat and pulse in general, and always aware when there seemed to be a bit of a struggle, usually due to breaking low-carb diet, it is new for it to be like this when I'm observing my diet. I think it must be due to something I'm taking or doing but so far I haven't been able to pin it down. My body is calmer today and I'm not concerned there is anything serious going on.I haven't taken even one drop of MMS lately due to starting a new protocol and not wanting the reaction from it to be confused with a new one. I'm taking and doing a lot of things geared to address my health issues (e.g., B12, Magnesium Oil, DMSO, Oil Pulling (I'm about to add Oregano Oil to that), Clean Teeth with Bentonite Clay & Mouthwash Bi-Carb mornings, Drink Glass of Bi-Carb w/few drops lemon, Thyroxine, Fish Oil, Potassium, Mag Aspartate/Potassium Aspartate, Colloidal Minerals, Vit D3, Cinnamon, Vitamin C, Selenium, Milk Thistle, Chromium GTF, Zinc, Zen Chi, Magnesium oral (aid in relief of constipation), Senokot, Activated Charcoal).I've just had a slew of tests done again (thyroid, adrenals, Vit D, Insulin, etc.) and waiting on results. It's a bit of a long shot but I'm wondering if cleaning my teeth and mouth washing with 10 activated drops of MMS means some is getting into my blood stream and killing pathogens and/or stripping plaque from arteries. If that's possible it could account for the turbulence I'm feeling at times. I didn't use MMS to clean my teeth and mouth wash last night. I might not tonight either. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone thinks the MMS teeth cleaning could be causing the 'turbulence' as described above?Thanks for listening.......LD

[Guest guest]

Hi LD,

I can't say for sure, but if I had to guess, I'd say that MMS teeth cleaning did not cause this condition. Maybe if you were drinking a huge dose, it might be a different story.

[Guest guest]

This is the magnesium chloride I'm using Phil:

http://www.livingapartment.com.au/Products/Food-Supplements-Health-Care/Magnesium-Chloride-2ltr-Opt-Mister;jsessionid=0a01074e1f43af914264318d4bfb949dc48afa9d0403.e3eTaxeKbh0Te34Pa38Ta38Lbhj0

I'm using between 15 and 20 ml daily (which I got from one of your

earlier posts).

I was using another one prior to this but it was more expensive so I had

to find a new source.

I've only just started the magnesium/potassium aspartate on doc's

suggestion because I was having palps even with the topical mag.

None of the magnesium is providing a laxative effect so that's why I've

started the senokot.

Thanks for your thoughts Phil.

LD

At 07:30 PM 26/06/2008, you wrote:

Hi LD

You are having a lot - could things have got a bit out of

step?

Magnesium oil (I hope it has other sea mineral

chlorides) can easily provide a laxative effect. More of this (and less

oral Mg) should have a calming effect.

Review matters just before you sleep, and see if helpful thoughts are

there to guide you in the morning.

Good luck,

Phil

Re: [ ] Possible Reaction to

Cleaning Teeth/Mouth wash?

Hi fellow members,

Excuse the rather long message and if time is an issue please jump

right to the question in last 2 paragraphs.

Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the

local public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with

palpitations, chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling throughout

my body. Since these symptoms have been building day by day and I

was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to get it checked

out. I had no sleep the night before because of these symptoms and

I felt worse as the day wore on. It turned out that nothing urgent

was occurring. They've suggested a Holter monitor at home for me

along with an echo. They didn't check beyond the heart urgency

issue but everything indicated there'd been no past degeneration of the

heart and other muscles and the blood test and x-ray further ruled out

any urgent heart issue. I've no idea what my BP was when I arrived

at the ED but by the time I was taken into a cubicle and hooked up, it

seems my BP was ok. My doc had listened to my heart, carotid and

taken my BP several days before and had said they all were

" turbulent " and said she'd order an ultrasound to see if there

was any " stiffness " in the aorta. The ED have suggested I

wear a Holter monitor for a few days to further rule out heart

issues.

Although I've always been conscious of my heart beat and pulse in

general, and always aware when there seemed to be a bit of a struggle,

usually due to breaking low-carb diet, it is new for it to be like this

when I'm observing my diet. I think it must be due to something I'm

taking or doing but so far I haven't been able to pin it down. My

body is calmer today and I'm not concerned there is anything serious

going on.

I haven't taken even one drop of MMS lately due to starting a new

protocol and not wanting the reaction from it to be confused with a new

one.

I'm taking and doing a lot of things geared to address my health

issues (e.g., B12, Magnesium Oil, DMSO, Oil Pulling (I'm about to

add Oregano Oil to that), Clean Teeth with Bentonite Clay & Mouthwash

Bi-Carb mornings, Drink Glass of Bi-Carb w/few drops lemon,

Thyroxine, Fish Oil, Potassium, Mag Aspartate/Potassium Aspartate,

Colloidal Minerals, Vit D3, Cinnamon, Vitamin C, Selenium, Milk Thistle,

Chromium GTF, Zinc, Zen Chi, Magnesium oral (aid in relief of

constipation), Senokot, Activated Charcoal).

I've just had a slew of tests done again (thyroid, adrenals, Vit D,

Insulin, etc.) and waiting on results.

It's a bit of a long shot but I'm wondering if cleaning my teeth and

mouth washing with 10 activated drops of MMS means some is getting into

my blood stream and killing pathogens and/or stripping plaque from

arteries. If that's possible it could account for the turbulence

I'm feeling at times. I didn't use MMS to clean my teeth and mouth

wash last night. I might not tonight either.

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone thinks the MMS teeth cleaning

could be causing the 'turbulence' as described above?

Thanks for listening.......LD

[Guest guest]

Thanks .

At 09:07 PM 26/06/2008, you wrote:

Hi LD,

I can't say for sure, but if I had to guess, I'd say that MMS teeth

cleaning did not cause this condition. Maybe if you were

drinking a huge dose, it might be a different story.

[Guest guest]

Hi LD

That MgCl with dolomite is an up-beat product. Gee, I'm lucky to be making my own.

The thought that you are having many supplements still has me feeling that some difficulty may arise from them. I can only suggest that you reflect on them and strive for some intuitive guidance.

I emphasize minerals ex sea water and molasses, whole body iodine sufficiency, heaps of salads to keep me alkaline, fruits too, plenty of water (at 10.5 pH ex a water ionizer), very little sugar, only a little coffee.

Phil

Re: [ ] Possible Reaction to Cleaning Teeth/Mouth wash?

Hi fellow members,

Excuse the rather long message and if time is an issue please jump right to the question in last 2 paragraphs.

Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the local public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with palpitations, chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling throughout my body. Since these symptoms have been building day by day and I was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to get it checked out. I had no sleep the night before because of these symptoms and I felt worse as the day wore on. It turned out that nothing urgent was occurring. They've suggested a Holter monitor at home for me along with an echo. They didn't check beyond the heart urgency issue but everything indicated there'd been no past degeneration of the heart and other muscles and the blood test and x-ray further ruled out any urgent heart issue. I've no idea what my BP was when I arrived at the ED but by the time I was taken into a cubicle and hooked up, it seems my BP was ok. My doc had listened to my heart, carotid and taken my BP several days before and had said they all were "turbulent" and said she'd order an ultrasound to see if there was any "stiffness" in the aorta. The ED have suggested I wear a Holter monitor for a few days to further rule out heart issues.

Although I've always been conscious of my heart beat and pulse in general, and always aware when there seemed to be a bit of a struggle, usually due to breaking low-carb diet, it is new for it to be like this when I'm observing my diet. I think it must be due to something I'm taking or doing but so far I haven't been able to pin it down. My body is calmer today and I'm not concerned there is anything serious going on.

I haven't taken even one drop of MMS lately due to starting a new protocol and not wanting the reaction from it to be confused with a new one.

I'm taking and doing a lot of things geared to address my health issues (e.g., B12, Magnesium Oil, DMSO, Oil Pulling (I'm about to add Oregano Oil to that), Clean Teeth with Bentonite Clay & Mouthwash Bi-Carb mornings, Drink Glass of Bi-Carb w/few drops lemon,

Thyroxine, Fish Oil, Potassium, Mag Aspartate/Potassium Aspartate, Colloidal Minerals, Vit D3, Cinnamon, Vitamin C, Selenium, Milk Thistle,

Chromium GTF, Zinc, Zen Chi, Magnesium oral (aid in relief of constipation), Senokot, Activated Charcoal).

I've just had a slew of tests done again (thyroid, adrenals, Vit D, Insulin, etc.) and waiting on results.

It's a bit of a long shot but I'm wondering if cleaning my teeth and mouth washing with 10 activated drops of MMS means some is getting into my blood stream and killing pathogens and/or stripping plaque from arteries. If that's possible it could account for the turbulence I'm feeling at times. I didn't use MMS to clean my teeth and mouth wash last night. I might not tonight either.

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone thinks the MMS teeth cleaning could be causing the 'turbulence' as described above?

Thanks for listening.......LD

[Guest guest]

LD-

I'm the original sufferer of heart problems from MMS around here;>)

Too much Chlorine Dioxide will- in my opinion- deplete your body of Vitamin

C and keep it depleted until you start having heart and circulatory

problems. I really do suspect that is happening to you. If one ingests MMS

to the point of diarrhea, one can lose enough electrolytes to have near

fibrillation, that also happened to me.

I'm not knocking MMS. I used it to great advantage and am glad I did, but I

would not use it longterm for anything, period, not without a reasonable

break to rebuild the body from the depletion of necessary nutrients that it

can cause.

MMS showed me that I had a sinus infection that had traveled to my heart.

You may have something like that going on. Your heart might have already

been near the tipping point as I suspect mine was.

I'll copy and paste a list that I have been keeping for a while now of

things I have done to rebuild my heart. Of all of them, Salt and vitamin c,

both natural and supplemental, have been the two overwhelmingly most

important things to me. I had been taking a lot of magnesium and eating

foods that were postassium rich, and I thinnk those minerals were veryu

important in saving me from worse trouble, but Salt and C really turned out

to be the most important for me.

----------------

Heart Palpitations and Arrythmias, updated 6/15/2008

Things that fixed my heart, not always in any particular order:

SALT, real natural salt, not refined table salt, and the best for me has

been “3-Times Roasted Bamboo Salt” from www.tibetangold.com.

WATER, non-chlorinated! And especially treated with a blue StirWand.

CAYENNE, but I strongly suggest starting out with lower heat rated cayennes

such as the common grocery store spices, or the organic 30,000 SHU cayenne

from Frontier Co-op; you can add hotter cayennes as you develop a tolerance.

BREWER’S YEAST, any form, any brand, but I’m trying Diamond V XPC now.

Magnesium citrate, taurate, chloride, orotate, and now I add that a

magnesium chloride solution or " Nigari " , applied to skin by spray, rub, foot

soaks or hot bath may be superior to all oral forms ( " Transdermal Magnesium

Therapy " ).

Potassium; my experience is that dried fruit sources are best, particularly

raisins and dates, but it can be gotten quick and cheap in any grocery store

in the form of “Salt Substitute” made of potassium chloride, or “Cream of

Tartar” which is Potassium bitartrate or potassium hydrogen tartrate.

B vitamins, B12 especially, sublingual forms worked well for me. This is

taken care of with plenty of brewer’s yeast. New info from a trusted source

says never to take any isolated b-vitamin by itself because the body cannot

differentiate them and will excrete all other b’s if you take too much of

any one isolated B.

Hawthorn: berries, bark, roots, just about any way you get any of it. My

favorite is dried berries in 100% Agave Tequila, about 4-6 a day. (Too many

will make you feel strange, and it's not the Tequila.) Also there are

several Hawthorn supplements, some mostly powdered berries, others are

extracts of the flowers and leaves, such as " Cardi-Plant Pro " .

Dan Shen herb, a chinese remedy; I have some but have a hard time digesting

it, perhps I need to take it with some enzymes or fresh pineapple.

Calcium orotate

CoEnzyme Q10

Vitamin C, L-Ascorbic Acid and natural full spectrum food sources,

especially LEMONS and lemon water per the Carey Reams Lemon Water Protocol.

L-Lysine and L-Proline

Taurine and L-Arginine

DMSO, just 1/4 teaspoon 2-3 times a week is all I need but be forwarned it

makes you STINK.

D-Ribose

Creatine Monohydrate

Fresh Pineapple (it’s the bromelain)

Serrapeptase and other digestive enzymes

--------------------

Daddybob

No virus found in this outgoing message.

Checked by AVG.

Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1521 - Release Date: 6/26/2008

11:20 AM

[Guest guest]

What do you mean by up-beat please Phil? Do you mean

price or quality? I cannot make my own Mag as I'm too ill so this

was the best I could do. I cannot manage to rub it on myself apart

from a little on the arms a few times a day, however, my daughter rubs a

ton on every night when she comes in from work.

I've had advice regarding all things I'm taking and they all serve issues

I'm dealing with. I've been on 'most' of them well before I had

this flare up and the situation is so calm now that I'm thinking it must

have been a herx response to killing pathogens even though I wouldn't

have thought I was taking enough of anything to do that. The

bi-carb is new though - I started that 17 June. Maybe the bi-carb

w/lemon is raising the pH enough to kill pathogens?

Thanks again Phil..........LD

At 07:34 AM 27/06/2008, you wrote:

Hi LD

That MgCl with dolomite is an up-beat product. Gee, I'm lucky to be

making my own.

The thought that you are having many supplements still has me feeling

that some difficulty may arise from them. I can only suggest that you

reflect on them and strive for some intuitive guidance.

I emphasize minerals ex sea water and molasses, whole

body iodine sufficiency, heaps of salads to keep me alkaline, fruits too,

plenty of water (at 10.5 pH ex a water ionizer), very little sugar, only

a little coffee.

Phil

Re: [ ] Possible Reaction to

Cleaning Teeth/Mouth wash?

Hi fellow members,

Excuse the rather long message and if time is an issue please jump

right to the question in last 2 paragraphs.

Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the

local public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with

palpitations, chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling throughout

my body. Since these symptoms have been building day by day and I

was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to get it checked

out. I had no sleep the night before because of these symptoms and

I felt worse as the day wore on. It turned out that nothing urgent

was occurring. They've suggested a Holter monitor at home for me

along with an echo. They didn't check beyond the heart urgency

issue but everything indicated there'd been no past degeneration of the

heart and other muscles and the blood test and x-ray further ruled out

any urgent heart issue. I've no idea what my BP was when I arrived

at the ED but by the time I was taken into a cubicle and hooked up, it

seems my BP was ok. My doc had listened to my heart, carotid and

taken my BP several days before and had said they all were

" turbulent " and said she'd order an ultrasound to see if there

was any " stiffness " in the aorta. The ED have suggested I

wear a Holter monitor for a few days to further rule out heart

issues.

Although I've always been conscious of my heart beat and pulse in

general, and always aware when there seemed to be a bit of a struggle,

usually due to breaking low-carb diet, it is new for it to be like this

when I'm observing my diet. I think it must be due to something I'm

taking or doing but so far I haven't been able to pin it down. My

body is calmer today and I'm not concerned there is anything serious

going on.

I haven't taken even one drop of MMS lately due to starting a new

protocol and not wanting the reaction from it to be confused with a new

one.

I'm taking and doing a lot of things geared to address my health

issues (e.g., B12, Magnesium Oil, DMSO, Oil Pulling (I'm about to

add Oregano Oil to that), Clean Teeth with Bentonite Clay & Mouthwash

Bi-Carb mornings, Drink Glass of Bi-Carb w/few drops lemon, Thyroxine, Fish Oil, Potassium, Mag Aspartate/Potassium Aspartate,

Colloidal Minerals, Vit D3, Cinnamon, Vitamin C, Selenium, Milk Thistle, Chromium GTF, Zinc, Zen Chi, Magnesium oral (aid in relief of

constipation), Senokot, Activated Charcoal).

I've just had a slew of tests done again (thyroid, adrenals, Vit D,

Insulin, etc.) and waiting on results.

It's a bit of a long shot but I'm wondering if cleaning my teeth and

mouth washing with 10 activated drops of MMS means some is getting into

my blood stream and killing pathogens and/or stripping plaque from

arteries. If that's possible it could account for the turbulence

I'm feeling at times. I didn't use MMS to clean my teeth and mouth

wash last night. I might not tonight either.

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone thinks the MMS teeth cleaning

could be causing the 'turbulence' as described above?

Thanks for listening.......LD

[Guest guest]

Hi LD

I meant that it sounded good quality

Phil

Re: [ ] Possible Reaction to Cleaning Teeth/Mouth wash?

Hi fellow members,

Excuse the rather long message and if time is an issue please jump right to the question in last 2 paragraphs.

Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the local public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with palpitations, chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling throughout my body. Since these symptoms have been building day by day and I was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to get it checked out. I had no sleep the night before because of these symptoms and I felt worse as the day wore on. It turned out that nothing urgent was occurring. They've suggested a Holter monitor at home for me along with an echo. They didn't check beyond the heart urgency issue but everything indicated there'd been no past degeneration of the heart and other muscles and the blood test and x-ray further ruled out any urgent heart issue. I've no idea what my BP was when I arrived at the ED but by the time I was taken into a cubicle and hooked up, it seems my BP was ok. My doc had listened to my heart, carotid and taken my BP several days before and had said they all were "turbulent" and said she'd order an ultrasound to see if there was any "stiffness" in the aorta. The ED have suggested I wear a Holter monitor for a few days to further rule out heart issues.

Although I've always been conscious of my heart beat and pulse in general, and always aware when there seemed to be a bit of a struggle, usually due to breaking low-carb diet, it is new for it to be like this when I'm observing my diet. I think it must be due to something I'm taking or doing but so far I haven't been able to pin it down. My body is calmer today and I'm not concerned there is anything serious going on.

I haven't taken even one drop of MMS lately due to starting a new protocol and not wanting the reaction from it to be confused with a new one.

I'm taking and doing a lot of things geared to address my health issues (e.g., B12, Magnesium Oil, DMSO, Oil Pulling (I'm about to add Oregano Oil to that), Clean Teeth with Bentonite Clay & Mouthwash Bi-Carb mornings, Drink Glass of Bi-Carb w/few drops lemon, Thyroxine, Fish Oil, Potassium, Mag Aspartate/Potassium Aspartate, Colloidal Minerals, Vit D3, Cinnamon, Vitamin C, Selenium, Milk Thistle, Chromium GTF, Zinc, Zen Chi, Magnesium oral (aid in relief of constipation), Senokot, Activated Charcoal).

I've just had a slew of tests done again (thyroid, adrenals, Vit D, Insulin, etc.) and waiting on results.

It's a bit of a long shot but I'm wondering if cleaning my teeth and mouth washing with 10 activated drops of MMS means some is getting into my blood stream and killing pathogens and/or stripping plaque from arteries. If that's possible it could account for the turbulence I'm feeling at times. I didn't use MMS to clean my teeth and mouth wash last night. I might not tonight either.

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone thinks the MMS teeth cleaning could be causing the 'turbulence' as described above?

Thanks for listening.......LD

[Guest guest]

I hope it IS good quality Phil given how much I pay for

it. I talked to the guy and he seems nice. I suppose there's

a bit of work involved in what he's doing thus he's due an income for

it. I went halves with my sister so getting it that way saves me a

big lay out of cash at once and it will last a while. I hope it

isn't a 'rip-off'. I don't seem to have to take loads of oral

magnesium to stop cramps since I started using it.

It's possible the reaction I've been experiencing could be put down to

the methylation mutation cycle supps I've been taking. I didn't

expect such a strong reaction but combined with other things, one

never knows. I've stopped them for a few days to see what

happens. I've also asked a question on the JH site if it's possible

that some sensitive people could experience strong reactions from just

cleaning teeth and mouth washing with 10 drops of MMS, keeping in mind I

can't drink 2 drops without an overwhelming herx.

Thanks for your comments........LD

At 09:28 PM 27/06/2008, you wrote:

Hi LD

I meant that it sounded good quality

Phil

Re: [ ] Possible Reaction to

Cleaning Teeth/Mouth wash?

Hi fellow members, Excuse the rather long message and if time is an issue please jump

right to the question in last 2 paragraphs.

Yesterday my daughter took me to the Emergency Department of the

local public hospital due to feeling very uncomfortable with

palpitations, chest pain and generally uncomfortable feeling throughout

my body. Since these symptoms have been building day by day and I

was a little concerned, I felt it would be best to get it checked

out. I had no sleep the night before because of these symptoms and

I felt worse as the day wore on. It turned out that nothing urgent

was occurring. They've suggested a Holter monitor at home for me

along with an echo. They didn't check beyond the heart urgency

issue but everything indicated there'd been no past degeneration of the

heart and other muscles and the blood test and x-ray further ruled out

any urgent heart issue. I've no idea what my BP was when I arrived

at the ED but by the time I was taken into a cubicle and hooked up, it

seems my BP was ok. My doc had listened to my heart, carotid and

taken my BP several days before and had said they all were

" turbulent " and said she'd order an ultrasound to see if there

was any " stiffness " in the aorta. The ED have suggested I

wear a Holter monitor for a few days to further rule out heart

issues.

Although I've always been conscious of my heart beat and pulse in

general, and always aware when there seemed to be a bit of a struggle,

usually due to breaking low-carb diet, it is new for it to be like this

when I'm observing my diet. I think it must be due to something I'm

taking or doing but so far I haven't been able to pin it down. My

body is calmer today and I'm not concerned there is anything serious

going on.

I haven't taken even one drop of MMS lately due to starting a new

protocol and not wanting the reaction from it to be confused with a new

one. I'm taking and doing a lot of things geared to address my health

issues (e.g., B12, Magnesium Oil, DMSO, Oil Pulling (I'm about to

add Oregano Oil to that), Clean Teeth with Bentonite Clay & Mouthwash

Bi-Carb mornings, Drink Glass of Bi-Carb w/few drops lemon, Thyroxine, Fish Oil, Potassium, Mag Aspartate/Potassium Aspartate,

Colloidal Minerals, Vit D3, Cinnamon, Vitamin C, Selenium, Milk Thistle, Chromium GTF, Zinc, Zen Chi, Magnesium oral (aid in relief of

constipation), Senokot, Activated Charcoal).

I've just had a slew of tests done again (thyroid, adrenals, Vit D,

Insulin, etc.) and waiting on results. It's a bit of a long shot but I'm wondering if cleaning my teeth and

mouth washing with 10 activated drops of MMS means some is getting into

my blood stream and killing pathogens and/or stripping plaque from

arteries. If that's possible it could account for the turbulence

I'm feeling at times. I didn't use MMS to clean my teeth and mouth

wash last night. I might not tonight either. I'd be interested in hearing if anyone thinks the MMS teeth cleaning

could be causing the 'turbulence' as described above?

Thanks for listening.......LD

[Guest guest]

Hi Daddybob,

It was you I was thinking of when I asked if cleaning teeth and

mouth washing with 10 drops of AMMS might be causing my overwhelming

response, e.g., heart/carotid and high BP issues. As I just related

to the forum in my previous response, I cannot even take 2 drops of AMMS

without a huge painful herx response. I am also thinking that it

might be the methylation treatment I'm taking that is causing it.

I'm not getting diarrhoea and I'm taking 3 gms of Vit C daily and have

been prior to starting MMS. I read your response to MMS before I

started MMS and I read both of JH's books. I've also read enough

of Why Animals Don't Get Heart Attacks but People Do

by Matthias Rath, to know that one needs to strengthen their arteries

with Vit C before taking any treatment that may strip plaque. Mind

you, my first darling dog died from a massive coronary which was

apparently in turn due to having diabetes from a tumor on her pancreas.

I see you are taking Proline. I was going to also but I couldn't

find it here in Australia and decided that MMS would do the

same.

I tried Salt/C but the pain reaction was intolerable so I determined it

was killing pathogens, which I was not managing to rid my body of.

This is the same with many treatments I've experimented with, so I am now

experimenting with the methylation mutation supplements.

Unfortunately, they may be the cause of these issues pertaining to the

heart. It looks like the reaction isn't dangerous though.

You will have seen from my questions to the list that I'm already taking

a lot of protective minerals such as magnesium, potassium, Vit C, DMSO,

etc.

Thanks for your response Daddybob. I hope you are doing well these

days.

Kind regards, LD

At 12:03 PM 27/06/2008, you wrote:

LD-

I'm the original sufferer of heart problems from MMS around

here;>)

Too much Chlorine Dioxide will- in my opinion- deplete your body of

Vitamin

C and keep it depleted until you start having heart and circulatory

problems. I really do suspect that is happening to you. If one ingests

MMS

to the point of diarrhea, one can lose enough electrolytes to have

near

fibrillation, that also happened to me.

I'm not knocking MMS. I used it to great advantage and am glad I did, but

I

would not use it longterm for anything, period, not without a

reasonable

break to rebuild the body from the depletion of necessary nutrients that

it

can cause.

MMS showed me that I had a sinus infection that had traveled to my

heart.

You may have something like that going on. Your heart might have

already

been near the tipping point as I suspect mine was.

I'll copy and paste a list that I have been keeping for a while now

of

things I have done to rebuild my heart. Of all of them, Salt and vitamin

c,

both natural and supplemental, have been the two overwhelmingly most

important things to me. I had been taking a lot of magnesium and

eating

foods that were postassium rich, and I thinnk those minerals were

veryu

important in saving me from worse trouble, but Salt and C really turned

out

to be the most important for me.

----------------

Heart Palpitations and Arrythmias, updated 6/15/2008

Things that fixed my heart, not always in any particular order:

SALT, real natural salt, not refined table salt, and the best for me

has

been “3-Times Roasted Bamboo Salt” from

www.tibetangold.com.

WATER, non-chlorinated! And especially treated with a blue

StirWand.

CAYENNE, but I strongly suggest starting out with lower heat rated

cayennes

such as the common grocery store spices, or the organic 30,000 SHU

cayenne

from Frontier Co-op; you can add hotter cayennes as you develop a

tolerance..

BREWER’S YEAST, any form, any brand, but I’m trying Diamond V XPC

now.

Magnesium citrate, taurate, chloride, orotate, and now I add that a

magnesium chloride solution or " Nigari " , applied to skin by

spray, rub, foot

soaks or hot bath may be superior to all oral forms ( " Transdermal

Magnesium

Therapy " ).

Potassium; my experience is that dried fruit sources are best,

particularly

raisins and dates, but it can be gotten quick and cheap in any grocery

store

in the form of “Salt Substitute” made of potassium chloride, or “Cream

of

Tartar” which is Potassium bitartrate or potassium hydrogen

tartrate.

B vitamins, B12 especially, sublingual forms worked well for me. This

is

taken care of with plenty of brewer’s yeast. New info from a trusted

source

says never to take any isolated b-vitamin by itself because the body

cannot

differentiate them and will excrete all other b’s if you take too much

of

any one isolated B.

Hawthorn: berries, bark, roots, just about any way you get any of it.

My

favorite is dried berries in 100% Agave Tequila, about 4-6 a day. (Too

many

will make you feel strange, and it's not the Tequila.) Also there

are

several Hawthorn supplements, some mostly powdered berries, others

are

extracts of the flowers and leaves, such as " Cardi-Plant

Pro " .

Dan Shen herb, a chinese remedy; I have some but have a hard time

digesting

it, perhps I need to take it with some enzymes or fresh

pineapple.

Calcium orotate

CoEnzyme Q10

Vitamin C, L-Ascorbic Acid and natural full spectrum food sources,

especially LEMONS and lemon water per the Carey Reams Lemon Water

Protocol.

L-Lysine and L-Proline

Taurine and L-Arginine

DMSO, just 1/4 teaspoon 2-3 times a week is all I need but be forwarned

it

makes you STINK.

D-Ribose

Creatine Monohydrate

Fresh Pineapple (it’s the bromelain)

Serrapeptase and other digestive enzymes

Daddybob