Guest guest Posted March 8, 2000 Report Share Posted March 8, 2000 Here are some supplement suggestions from Dr. Nicolson's site. I can't afford to follow all of these, but do take the b-vitamins, e,c, acidopholous, fish oils, calcium, magnesium, potassium (spaced apart from the antibiotics) and probably another one or two I have forgotten to list, LOL. (flaring with lots of brain fog right now ; ) I eat lots of vegetables, fruit, fish, use whole grains, and drink lots of water. Low sugar and low fat. Liz G ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.immed.org/publications/autoimmune_illness/pub4.html Vitamin/Nutritional/Supplement Recommendations To be successful a comprehensive approach to the therapy of chronic illnesses must be undertaken with each patient [8]. In addition to treatments like antibiotics or removal of toxic agents, these patients often have nutritional and other deficiencies that must be corrected. For example, these patients are often depleted in vitamins B, C and E, among others, and certain minerals. Unfortunately, patients with chronic illnesses often have poor absorption. Therefore, high doses of some vitamins must be used, and others, such as vitamin B complex, cannot be easily absorbed by the gut, so sublingual natural B-complex vitamins in small capsules or liquids should be used instead of oral capsules that are swallowed. General vitamins plus extra C, E, CoQ-10, beta-carotene, folic acid, bioflavoids and biotin are best. L- cysteine, L-tyrosine, L-carnitine, malic acid and especially flaxseed oil are reported by some to be useful. Certain minerals are also often depleted in these patients, such as zinc, magnesium, chromium and selenium, and these should be supplemented as well. One problem with taking these supplements is that they cannot be taken at the same time as antibiotics because they may inhibit antibiotic uptake. There are also other considerations [8]. Antibiotics deplete normal gut bacteria which can result in over-growth of less desirable bacteria. To supplement bacteria in the gastrointestinal system Lactobacillus acidophillus tablets are recommended. One product is a mixture of Lactobacillus acidophillus, Lactobacillus bifidus and other bacteria with FOS (fructoologosaccharides) to promote growth of these " friendly " bacteria in the gut. A number of natural remedies that boost the immune system can be useful in the therapy of chronic illnesses. Among these are whole lemon/olive extract drink or an extract of olive leaves with antioxidants, plant extracts or purified plant products and milk proteins such as whey. These products are especially useful during or especially after antibiotic therapy has been completed. Although these products appear to help some patients, their clinical effectiveness in various chronic illness patients has not been carefully evaluated. They should be used during therapy to boost the immune system or especially after antibiotic therapy in a maintenance program to prevent relapse of illness [8]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2000 Report Share Posted March 8, 2000 I follow a vegetarian diet and have done so for over a year. It consists mainly of Broccoli, green beans, or other green vegetables, coliflour. And i match that up with usually organic rice, vegetable pasta, red potatoes or squash to make dinner,in addition and 4 or 5 nites a week i have a salad made with Romain. Once a week i make lentil soup with a digestive enzyme For lunch i usually have egg salad sandwich , or tuna on sprouted grain bread, eggs or skip lunch. Breakfast is usually a Fruiteen brand shake (vegetarian) and i mix in 4000mg of msm and a tablespoon of flax oil and i take my acidophilus at that time. I only cook with Extra Virgin olive oil. Other suppliments are Juice Plus, MAX DHA (fish oil), zinc/magnesium/calcium combo, I think vitamins for the most part are a waste of money, either juice or eat the foods you need to aquire them. I usually juice 16 oz of carrot juice 3 or 4 times a week. I feel great except for the ra and oa, lots of energy, my blood pressure is normal now, and my allergies are gone. I feel better than i ever have. Now if the damn ra would go away........ rheumatic RA diet > From: Lynne Locatell <pooch@...> > > I would be interested in hearing everyone's RA diet ideas. There are so > many conflicting ideas as to what exactly is going on - leaky gut, insulin > resistance, carbo addiction, candida, gluten and dairy intolerance, > prednisone, not to mention plain old overweight. It's extremely perplexing! > IMHO the diets on the website seem a little arbitrary and even > contradictory at times, so I'm interested in how people have adapted them > for themselves. My MD's are in the dark about the diet connection and other > avenues are not available on my insurance, so I would really like to hear > everyone's experiences. > > I did experience a lessening of symptoms on a low-carb diet: lots of meat > and dairy, a few vegetables and no sugar, fruit or starches. Unfortunately > it wreaked havoc on my GI tract. I'm working on gluten and dairy free now, > with lots of veggies and fruits. I hope this will produce results because > I'd hate to have to give up starches and fruits if sugar is the culprit. I > will if I have to. Any suggestions for coping strategies are appreciated! > > Also, what kind of nutrients you need to supplement, another very confusing > area for me! > > Thanks so much, > Lynne > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > 1/937/0/_/532797/_/952556921/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2000 Report Share Posted March 8, 2000 So, , are you thin on this diet? love, Gloria ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2000 Report Share Posted March 8, 2000 Lynne, this is a hot topic. I have found that the low carb diet works for me. It is basically the Atkins diet, but I do a lot of salmon, olive oil and green leafy veggies. I think mycoplasma uses up magnesium and zinc so I supplement those. The mag. has helped my digestive problems but you do have to be careful to not take too much. If you want to try the low carb diet maybe add the leafy veggies and take some magnesium. Who knows! a Carnes > From: Lynne Locatell <pooch@...> > > I would be interested in hearing everyone's RA diet ideas. There are so > many conflicting ideas as to what exactly is going on - leaky gut, insulin > resistance, carbo addiction, candida, gluten and dairy intolerance, > prednisone, not to mention plain old overweight. It's extremely perplexing! > IMHO the diets on the website seem a little arbitrary and even > contradictory at times, so I'm interested in how people have adapted them > for themselves. My MD's are in the dark about the diet connection and other > avenues are not available on my insurance, so I would really like to hear > everyone's experiences. > > I did experience a lessening of symptoms on a low-carb diet: lots of meat > and dairy, a few vegetables and no sugar, fruit or starches. Unfortunately > it wreaked havoc on my GI tract. I'm working on gluten and dairy free now, > with lots of veggies and fruits. I hope this will produce results because > I'd hate to have to give up starches and fruits if sugar is the culprit. I > will if I have to. Any suggestions for coping strategies are appreciated! > > Also, what kind of nutrients you need to supplement, another very confusing > area for me! > > Thanks so much, > Lynne > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! > 1/937/0/_/532797/_/952556921/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2000 Report Share Posted March 8, 2000 165 pounds, 5'11 " Re: rheumatic RA diet > From: Gloria M Tate <missgloria@...> > > So, , are you thin on this diet? > love, > Gloria > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > 1/2120/0/_/532797/_/952569688/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2000 Report Share Posted March 9, 2000 So you still have RA on a veggie diet? My naturopath wants me to give up meat for a month to see if it makes a difference to my RA. (He doesn't know I'm on the AP - I haven't told him because he is totally against any drugs). I also haven't tried giving up dairy or wheat yet - or foods in the nightshade family - I reckon if I give everything up I'll have to exist on lettuce. I don't have a weight problem - except I'm sometimes underweight if I don't eat properly. Does going on all these diets really help? I find the dietry side of it all very confusing. bye Carol W Re: rheumatic RA diet >From: " Higbee " <higgy@...> > >I follow a vegetarian diet and have done so for over a year. It consists >mainly of Broccoli, green beans, or other green vegetables, coliflour. And i >match that up with usually organic rice, vegetable pasta, red potatoes or >squash to make dinner,in addition and 4 or 5 nites a week i have a salad >made with Romain. >Once a week i make lentil soup with a digestive enzyme > >For lunch i usually have egg salad sandwich , or tuna on sprouted grain >bread, eggs or skip lunch. > >Breakfast is usually a Fruiteen brand shake (vegetarian) and i mix in 4000mg >of msm and a tablespoon of flax oil and i take my acidophilus at that time. > >I only cook with Extra Virgin olive oil. > >Other suppliments are Juice Plus, MAX DHA (fish oil), zinc/magnesium/calcium >combo, >I think vitamins for the most part are a waste of money, either juice or eat >the foods you need to aquire them. I usually juice 16 oz of carrot juice 3 >or 4 times a week. > >I feel great except for the ra and oa, lots of energy, my blood pressure is >normal now, and my allergies are gone. I feel better than i ever have. Now >if the damn ra would go away........ > > rheumatic RA diet > > >> From: Lynne Locatell <pooch@...> >> >> I would be interested in hearing everyone's RA diet ideas. There are so >> many conflicting ideas as to what exactly is going on - leaky gut, insulin >> resistance, carbo addiction, candida, gluten and dairy intolerance, >> prednisone, not to mention plain old overweight. It's extremely >perplexing! >> IMHO the diets on the website seem a little arbitrary and even >> contradictory at times, so I'm interested in how people have adapted them >> for themselves. My MD's are in the dark about the diet connection and >other >> avenues are not available on my insurance, so I would really like to hear >> everyone's experiences. >> >> I did experience a lessening of symptoms on a low-carb diet: lots of meat >> and dairy, a few vegetables and no sugar, fruit or starches. Unfortunately >> it wreaked havoc on my GI tract. I'm working on gluten and dairy free now, >> with lots of veggies and fruits. I hope this will produce results because >> I'd hate to have to give up starches and fruits if sugar is the culprit. I >> will if I have to. Any suggestions for coping strategies are appreciated! >> >> Also, what kind of nutrients you need to supplement, another very >confusing >> area for me! >> >> Thanks so much, >> Lynne >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% >> Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! >> 1/937/0/_/532797/_/952556921/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >1/2122/0/_/532797/_/952565900/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2000 Report Share Posted November 20, 2000 Hi Brigitte. I quit dairy for many reasons. It is full of animal proteins, lactose sugar, animal growth factors, and a substantial amount of fat and cholesterol. The ONLY good thing is the calcium it contains, and there are to many other foods that contain calcium, so I am very glad to have given up dairy. I don't have any more chronic constipation. Of course it may be because I drink at least 64 ounces of water a day, plus I drink a lot of herbal teas. I have no more bloating and little gas since giving it up. I am loosing weight at a slow steady pace without trying. I was pleasantly surprised when I got on the scale and found it 10 pounds lighter! I really like Silk brand soy milk, which has the same amount of calcium as regular milk. There are other claims of soy milk such as lowering cholesterol and helping with menopausal symptoms. On occasion I cheat and eat pizza. It is the only fast food I eat, so there is no way I will give up pizza!!! a ----- Original Message ----- From: <Brigitte.Beckmann@...> < egroups> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 5:17 AM Subject: [ ] RA diet > << I feel better, but don't know if it is > from the AB's because I radically changed my diet at the same time, > eliminating meats, sugar and dairy.>> > > Hi a, > > why did you eliminate dairy??? > > Curious, Brigitte in Cologne/Germany > > > > > Our websites: http://rheumatoid.arthritis.freehosting.net/ > http://www.rasupport.webprovider.com/ > Change subscription options: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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