Re: Re: diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD

[Guest guest]

The Marshall Protocol says exactly the opposite of what you are saying. I am

tyring to make sense of his program. Are you familar with Dr. Trevor

Marshall and his protocol and if so, how do you disagree with him?

doug

[ ] Re: diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD

> You might be interested in reading my notes from a bioidentical hormone

> conference on

> Vitamin D. A clinical nutrition course I have been taking also says that

> in years past Vit D

> was given in what is now considered extremely high dosages. The FDA came

> down on it

> when it was determined that it was really doing some good. My clinical

> nutrition teacher

> recommends mega dosing and I am doing it now and seeing some positive

> results almost

> immediately, that I will talk about later when I am ready. I am taking

> 50,000 IU daily.

[Guest guest]

marshall is WRONG rogerpolo <dahart@...> wrote: The Marshall Protocol says exactly the opposite of what you are saying. I am tyring to make sense of his program. Are you familar with Dr. Trevor Marshall and his protocol and if so, how do you disagree with him?doug [ ] Re: diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD> You might be interested in reading my notes from a bioidentical hormone > conference on> Vitamin D. A clinical nutrition course I have been taking also says that > in years past Vit D> was given in what is now considered extremely high dosages. The FDA came > down on it> when it was determined that it was really doing some good. My clinical > nutrition teacher> recommends mega dosing and I am doing it now and seeing some positive > results almost> immediately, that I will talk about later when I am ready. I am taking > 50,000 IU daily.

[Guest guest]

I agree, the Marshall protocol just does not seem logical to me either when it comes to Vit D, but I really need to seriously study his science and what he is saying. His Th1 pathogen theories are interesting, though.

doug

Re: [ ] Re: diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD

marshall is WRONG

roger

[Guest guest]

Some more food for thought on Vit D. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpifXPOmjis and another, there's plenty here to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PYsXQ16Ztg & amp;feature=related Arrow <arrowwind09@...> wrote: http://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1643You guys might want to read this thread discussing the marshall protocol as food for throught.ArrowIn , "polo" <dahart@...> wrote:>> I agree, the Marshall protocol just does not seem logical to me either when it comes to Vit D, but I really need to seriously study his science and what he is saying. His Th1 pathogen theories are interesting, though. > > doug> Re: [ ] Re:

diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD> > > marshall is WRONG> roger>

[Guest guest]

Another opinion about the MP from Rosner. Another view in favor. Scroll a bit and read what he has to say, I don't think the video is about it, but it's on the side to click on from the ones I already sent. http://lymecommunity.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2908/page/1#Post2908 Arrow <arrowwind09@...> wrote: http://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1643You guys might want to read this thread discussing the marshall protocol as food for throught.ArrowIn , "polo" <dahart@...> wrote:>> I agree, the Marshall protocol just does not seem logical to me either when it comes to Vit D, but I really need to seriously study his science and what he is saying. His Th1 pathogen theories are interesting, though. > > doug> Re: [ ] Re:

diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD> > > marshall is WRONG> roger>

[Guest guest]

It seems to work for a few people but not for most. Most with Lyme already suffer from low vit. D levels and need to supplement.

-- Re: [ ] Re: diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD

marshall is WRONG

rogerpolo <dahart@...> wrote:

The Marshall Protocol says exactly the opposite of what you are saying. I am tyring to make sense of his program. Are you familar with Dr. Trevor Marshall and his protocol and if so, how do you disagree with him?doug [ ] Re: diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD> You might be interested in reading my notes from a bioidentical hormone > conference on> Vitamin D. A clinical nutrition course I have been taking also says that > in years past Vit D> was given in what is now considered extremely high dosages. The FDA came > down on it> when it was determined that it was really doing some good. My clinical > nutrition teacher> recommends mega dosing and I am doing it now and seeing some positive > results almost> immediately, that I will talk about later when I am ready. I am taking > 50,000 IU daily.

[Guest guest]

One manufacturer of D3 recommended 50,000 units for one week, then at least

5,000 units daily. The criteria is to monitor your urinary pH (if blood is

not available). 5,000 at ph of 6.4, 10,000 at 6.0, 15,000 at 5.5. 6.6 or

above, large doses of D are not recommended. I take 5,000 daily and up to

50,000 when needed. You can get 5,000 or 50,000 from certain manufacturers.

jp

You might be interested in reading my notes from a bioidentical hormone

conference on

Vitamin D. A clinical nutrition course I have been taking also says that in

years past Vit D

was given in what is now considered extremely high dosages. The FDA came

down on it

when it was determined that it was really doing some good. My clinical

nutrition teacher

recommends mega dosing and I am doing it now and seeing some positive

results almost

immediately, that I will talk about later when I am ready. I am taking

50,000 IU daily.

Vitamin D3 Notes from the Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy

Conference I

attended.

Ellie D.O. Family Doctor and Bio - Identical Hormone Expert

Methods of Application of Vit D3

1. Orally

2. Topical D3 replacement therapy lotion

3. Injection

Vitmain D injection

Dr. recommends:

One time a year injection of Custom compounded

400,000 to 600,000 IU vitamin D3

Most people will be restored with one injection but there are a few who

require a second

injection and those people may need 5,000 IU daily to maintain a level 50

over the year.

Dr recommends the injection to almost all her patients.

In the USA there is no RDA for Vit D

1000 IU is inadequate to restore or to maintain a level 50

2,000 is required to sustain a D level of 50.

deficiency requires 5 to 10,000 IU per day to maintain optimum levels after

they have been

achieved.

Recheck D3 after 5 to 6 weeks

(400 IU is 1/10 of what is needed)

In India each nursing home patient gets a 600,000 IU injection per year

routinely!

D levels of 46 to 50 is of best advantage for preventing cancer

Signs of Deficiency over a long period of time:

Proximal muscle weakness

(They can not get out of a chair unless they push themselves and this is

caused by

deficiency in vit D)

Osteoporosis

Bone pain

Depression

Brain fog

Insomnia

weak fingernails

weak pelvic muscles

The Right Test - use bioidentical vit D3 as the body can process it better

25 hydroxy vit D3 level

1, 25 hydroxy vit D3 level ( don't use this test as it measures the 1 25

molecule and it has

a short half life and you may think you have adequate levels but it does not

last )

If Vitamin D stores are adequate the need for high dosages of calcium are

not needed.

High dosages of supplemental calcium can cause problems, kidney stones. Get

most of

your calcium from green veggies and the amount you will need to supplement

will be

much less.

You need the minerals calcium protein magnesium, iodine, strontium, boron,

plus

exercise with Vit D3 to prevent osteoporois.

She does not recommend any prescription osteoporosis medication.

In , helen/zhebee <zhebee@...>

wrote:

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> Hi again

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> There's a lot of information out about Vitamin D as

> you probably know.

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> I recently heard that Vitamin D (D3) has been found

> to be very helpful with Diabetes 2. & nbsp; It also was said

> that Vitamin D was helpful for Diabetes 1 and if given

> early in the onset of the disease, the Vitamin D may

> reverse the Diabetes 1 in some children. & nbsp; That is

> amazing news! & nbsp; & nbsp; It stands to reason that taking

> extra Vitamin D or spending time in the sun during

> pregnancy would probably cover a multitude of

> " sins " or diseases in children ...and in mom, too.

> & nbsp;

> Helen

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> From: Lilo liloredhead@...

> Subject: [ ] diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD

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> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 6:20 AM

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> Wow. Well I do have a lot to read now. & nbsp; I thank you for your time.

Seriously. I've

never thought of diabetes as an infection, but you are certainly right that

MMS would not

work on my Dad's diabetes if it were not. Now my only real concern is what

if MMS doesn't

" kill " whatever is causing diabetes in my situation. I'm assuming that they

may know they

have a possible discovery with this train of thought, but what is the

cure? & nbsp; It pains

me to think that they might know what causes diabetes, but are unable to do

anything

about it at this time.

>

> It makes perfect sense to me that diabetes, and many other conditions are

caused by

inflammation. & nbsp; The pathogens being the cause of that inflammation is

perfectly

reasonable. & nbsp;

>

> This may bore you to tears, but 11 years ago I nearly died with my last

son. I was given

a blood transfusion and that is when the long history of weird health began.

I began to

grow muscle. & nbsp; And LOTS of it. My muscles continued to grow until I had

gained 2

1/2 inches of muscle in my calves alone. I now have 17 1/2 inch calves and

there is no fat

there. & nbsp; I was sent to every major hospital you can imagine, Walter

, U. of

Heidelberg, U. of Texas, U. of Washington and at least a hundred specialists

in

between. & nbsp; I have had every test on the planet, MMR, EKG, EMG, Ultra

Sound, full

body weigh, full body scans, x-rays, every pee test and blood test,

REPEATEDLY and two

muscle biopsies. All somewhat normal. & nbsp; I continue to get more muscular

and do not

work out or take steroids. So.... around the time that this was happening is

when I was

diagnosed with diabetes. My naturopath believes it was an auto immune

response to the

blood

> transfusion. & nbsp; The M.D.'s have no clue.

>

> So I am hoping that MMS can help me with the fondly named, " Lilo weirdness

disease " ,

as we have no official diagnosis and I gave up trying to find out years

ago. & nbsp;

>

> Again, thanks for your information. Please, if anyone has any thoughts on

MMS and

diabetes, or auto immune response disorders, I'm all ears. Well...eyes! : )

>

> Lilo

>

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