Re: diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD

[Guest guest]

My guess is that diabetes 2 is more than likely caused by fungus than by an infection ....but it is just a guess but an educated guess gleaned

from all that I have read over the years. MMS,

I understand, attacks fungi.

Helen

From: Lilo <liloredhead@...>Subject: [ ] diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 6:20 AM

Wow. Well I do have a lot to read now. I thank you for your time. Seriously. I've never thought of diabetes as an infection, but you are certainly right that MMS would not work on my Dad's diabetes if it were not. Now my only real concern is what if MMS doesn't "kill" whatever is causing diabetes in my situation. I'm assuming that they may know they have a possible discovery with this train of thought, but what is the cure? It pains me to think that they might know what causes diabetes, but are unable to do anything about it at this time. It makes perfect sense to me that diabetes, and many other conditions are caused by inflammation. The pathogens being the cause of that inflammation is perfectly reasonable. This may bore you to tears, but 11 years ago I nearly died with my last son. I was given a blood transfusion and that is when the long history of weird health began. I began to grow muscle. And LOTS

of it. My muscles continued to grow until I had gained 2 1/2 inches of muscle in my calves alone. I now have 17 1/2 inch calves and there is no fat there. I was sent to every major hospital you can imagine, Walter , U. of Heidelberg, U. of Texas, U. of Washington and at least a hundred specialists in between. I have had every test on the planet, MMR, EKG, EMG, Ultra Sound, full body weigh, full body scans, x-rays, every pee test and blood test, REPEATEDLY and two muscle biopsies. All somewhat normal. I continue to get more muscular and do not work out or take steroids. So.... around the time that this was happening is when I was diagnosed with diabetes. My naturopath believes it was an auto immune response to the blood transfusion. The M.D.'s have no clue.So I am hoping that MMS can help me with the fondly named, "Lilo weirdness disease", as we have no official diagnosis and I gave up trying to find out years

ago. Again, thanks for your information. Please, if anyone has any thoughts on MMS and diabetes, or auto immune response disorders, I'm all ears. Well...eyes! : )Lilo

[Guest guest]

Hi again

There's a lot of information out about Vitamin D as

you probably know.

I recently heard that Vitamin D (D3) has been found

to be very helpful with Diabetes 2. It also was said

that Vitamin D was helpful for Diabetes 1 and if given

early in the onset of the disease, the Vitamin D may

reverse the Diabetes 1 in some children. That is

amazing news! It stands to reason that taking

extra Vitamin D or spending time in the sun during

pregnancy would probably cover a multitude of

"sins" or diseases in children ...and in mom, too.

Helen

From: Lilo <liloredhead@...>Subject: [ ] diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 6:20 AM

Wow. Well I do have a lot to read now. I thank you for your time. Seriously. I've never thought of diabetes as an infection, but you are certainly right that MMS would not work on my Dad's diabetes if it were not. Now my only real concern is what if MMS doesn't "kill" whatever is causing diabetes in my situation. I'm assuming that they may know they have a possible discovery with this train of thought, but what is the cure? It pains me to think that they might know what causes diabetes, but are unable to do anything about it at this time. It makes perfect sense to me that diabetes, and many other conditions are caused by inflammation. The pathogens being the cause of that inflammation is perfectly reasonable. This may bore you to tears, but 11 years ago I nearly died with my last son. I was given a blood transfusion and that is when the long history of weird health began. I began to grow muscle. And LOTS

of it. My muscles continued to grow until I had gained 2 1/2 inches of muscle in my calves alone. I now have 17 1/2 inch calves and there is no fat there. I was sent to every major hospital you can imagine, Walter , U. of Heidelberg, U. of Texas, U. of Washington and at least a hundred specialists in between. I have had every test on the planet, MMR, EKG, EMG, Ultra Sound, full body weigh, full body scans, x-rays, every pee test and blood test, REPEATEDLY and two muscle biopsies. All somewhat normal. I continue to get more muscular and do not work out or take steroids. So.... around the time that this was happening is when I was diagnosed with diabetes. My naturopath believes it was an auto immune response to the blood transfusion. The M.D.'s have no clue.So I am hoping that MMS can help me with the fondly named, "Lilo weirdness disease", as we have no official diagnosis and I gave up trying to find out years

ago. Again, thanks for your information. Please, if anyone has any thoughts on MMS and diabetes, or auto immune response disorders, I'm all ears. Well...eyes! : )Lilo

[Guest guest]

You might be interested in reading my notes from a bioidentical hormone

conference on

Vitamin D. A clinical nutrition course I have been taking also says that in

years past Vit D

was given in what is now considered extremely high dosages. The FDA came down on

it

when it was determined that it was really doing some good. My clinical nutrition

teacher

recommends mega dosing and I am doing it now and seeing some positive results

almost

immediately, that I will talk about later when I am ready. I am taking 50,000 IU

daily.

Vitamin D3 Notes from the Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy Conference I

attended.

Ellie D.O. Family Doctor and Bio - Identical Hormone Expert

Methods of Application of Vit D3

1. Orally

2. Topical D3 replacement therapy lotion

3. Injection

Vitmain D injection

Dr. recommends:

One time a year injection of Custom compounded

400,000 to 600,000 IU vitamin D3

Most people will be restored with one injection but there are a few who require

a second

injection and those people may need 5,000 IU daily to maintain a level 50 over

the year.

Dr recommends the injection to almost all her patients.

In the USA there is no RDA for Vit D

1000 IU is inadequate to restore or to maintain a level 50

2,000 is required to sustain a D level of 50.

deficiency requires 5 to 10,000 IU per day to maintain optimum levels after they

have been

achieved.

Recheck D3 after 5 to 6 weeks

(400 IU is 1/10 of what is needed)

In India each nursing home patient gets a 600,000 IU injection per year

routinely!

D levels of 46 to 50 is of best advantage for preventing cancer

Signs of Deficiency over a long period of time:

Proximal muscle weakness

(They can not get out of a chair unless they push themselves and this is caused

by

deficiency in vit D)

Osteoporosis

Bone pain

Depression

Brain fog

Insomnia

weak fingernails

weak pelvic muscles

The Right Test – use bioidentical vit D3 as the body can process it better

25 hydroxy vit D3 level

1, 25 hydroxy vit D3 level ( don't use this test as it measures the 1 25

molecule and it has

a short half life and you may think you have adequate levels but it does not

last )

If Vitamin D stores are adequate the need for high dosages of calcium are not

needed.

High dosages of supplemental calcium can cause problems, kidney stones. Get most

of

your calcium from green veggies and the amount you will need to supplement will

be

much less.

You need the minerals calcium protein magnesium, iodine, strontium, boron, plus

exercise with Vit D3 to prevent osteoporois.

She does not recommend any prescription osteoporosis medication.

In , helen/zhebee <zhebee@...> wrote:

>

> & nbsp;

> & nbsp;

> Hi again

> & nbsp;

> There's a lot of information out about Vitamin D as

> you probably know.

> & nbsp;

> I recently heard that Vitamin D (D3) has been found

> to be very helpful with Diabetes 2. & nbsp; It also was said

> that Vitamin D was helpful for Diabetes 1 and if given

> early in the onset of the disease, the Vitamin D may

> reverse the Diabetes 1 in some children. & nbsp; That is

> amazing news! & nbsp; & nbsp; It stands to reason that taking

> extra Vitamin D or spending time in the sun during

> pregnancy would probably cover a multitude of

> " sins " or diseases in children ...and in mom, too.

> & nbsp;

> Helen

>

>

>

> & nbsp;

>

>

>

> From: Lilo liloredhead@...

> Subject: [ ] diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD

>

> Date: Friday, June 13, 2008, 6:20 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Wow. Well I do have a lot to read now. & nbsp; I thank you for your time.

Seriously. I've

never thought of diabetes as an infection, but you are certainly right that MMS

would not

work on my Dad's diabetes if it were not. Now my only real concern is what if

MMS doesn't

" kill " whatever is causing diabetes in my situation. I'm assuming that they may

know they

have a possible discovery with this train of thought, but what is the

cure? & nbsp; It pains

me to think that they might know what causes diabetes, but are unable to do

anything

about it at this time.

>

> It makes perfect sense to me that diabetes, and many other conditions are

caused by

inflammation. & nbsp; The pathogens being the cause of that inflammation is

perfectly

reasonable. & nbsp;

>

> This may bore you to tears, but 11 years ago I nearly died with my last son. I

was given

a blood transfusion and that is when the long history of weird health began. I

began to

grow muscle. & nbsp; And LOTS of it. My muscles continued to grow until I had

gained 2

1/2 inches of muscle in my calves alone. I now have 17 1/2 inch calves and there

is no fat

there. & nbsp; I was sent to every major hospital you can imagine, Walter , U.

of

Heidelberg, U. of Texas, U. of Washington and at least a hundred specialists in

between. & nbsp; I have had every test on the planet, MMR, EKG, EMG, Ultra Sound,

full

body weigh, full body scans, x-rays, every pee test and blood test, REPEATEDLY

and two

muscle biopsies. All somewhat normal. & nbsp; I continue to get more muscular and

do not

work out or take steroids. So.... around the time that this was happening is

when I was

diagnosed with diabetes. My naturopath believes it was an auto immune response

to the

blood

> transfusion. & nbsp; The M.D.'s have no clue.

>

> So I am hoping that MMS can help me with the fondly named, " Lilo weirdness

disease " ,

as we have no official diagnosis and I gave up trying to find out years

ago. & nbsp;

>

> Again, thanks for your information. Please, if anyone has any thoughts on MMS

and

diabetes, or auto immune response disorders, I'm all ears. Well...eyes! : )

>

> Lilo

>

[Guest guest]

Helen,

Fungi is an INFECTION! As are antying that may be considered a pathogen, viruses, bacteria, parasites, etc.

doug

[Guest guest]

http://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1643

You guys might want to read this thread discussing the marshall protocol as food

for

throught.

Arrow

In , " polo " <dahart@...> wrote:

>

> I agree, the Marshall protocol just does not seem logical to me either when it

comes to

Vit D, but I really need to seriously study his science and what he is saying.

His Th1

pathogen theories are interesting, though.

>

> doug

> Re: [ ] Re: diabetes/MMS/Doug and LD

>

>

> marshall is WRONG

> roger

>

[Guest guest]

Hello all,Infections (acute and chronic) causes a heightened stress response-->increased cortisol, and epinephrine (adrenalin)--> increases blood sugar--> in chronic states can cause insulin resistance which without proper corrective care (don't mistake for " maintenance " care) can lead to diabetes. So yes, using something like Chlorine Dioxide to eliminate pathogens can indirectly effect blood sugar. The test I use in my office to determine these cortisol, epinephrine imbalances is the ASI test.

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On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Lilo <liloredhead@...> wrote:

Wow. Well I do have a lot to read now. I thank you for your time. Seriously. I've never thought of diabetes as an infection, but you are certainly right that MMS would not work on my Dad's diabetes if it were not. Now my only real concern is what if MMS doesn't " kill " whatever is causing diabetes in my situation. I'm assuming that they may know they have a possible discovery with this train of thought, but what is the cure? It pains me to think that they might know what causes diabetes, but are unable to do anything about it at this time.

It makes perfect sense to me that diabetes, and many other conditions are caused by inflammation. The pathogens being the cause of that inflammation is perfectly reasonable. This may bore you to tears, but 11 years

ago I nearly died with my last son. I was given a blood transfusion and that is when the long history of weird health began. I began to grow muscle. And LOTS of it. My muscles continued to grow until I had gained 2 1/2 inches of muscle in my calves alone. I now have 17 1/2 inch calves and there is no fat there. I was sent to every major hospital you can imagine, Walter , U. of Heidelberg, U. of Texas, U. of Washington and at least a hundred specialists in between. I have had every test on the planet, MMR, EKG, EMG, Ultra Sound, full body weigh, full body scans, x-rays, every pee test and blood test, REPEATEDLY and two muscle biopsies. All somewhat normal. I continue to get more muscular and do not work out or take steroids. So.... around the time that this was happening is when I was diagnosed with diabetes. My naturopath believes it was an auto immune response to the blood transfusion. The M.D.'s have no

clue.So I am hoping that MMS can help me with the fondly named, " Lilo weirdness disease " , as we have no official diagnosis and I gave up trying to find out years ago. Again, thanks for your information. Please, if anyone has any thoughts on MMS and diabetes, or auto immune response disorders, I'm all ears. Well...eyes! : )

Lilo