Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 my hearth burn and acid reflux was all caused by stress by negative people Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally On 9/28/2008 10:30 AM, Marilyn Gang wrote:> I started getting some acid reflux.Most (not all) acid reflux is a result of too LITTLE (of the RIGHT) acidin the stomach - generally, low hydrochloric acid production.This can be tested easily by simply taking some raw/organic ACV inwater, or, if you have a problem with raw ACV, some HCL supplementation.If the acid reflux goes away, then your problem is low HCL production.> This is before I heard about mms> Then in the mornings I started taking fresh lemon juice in water (lemon> juice, internall is alkaline, not acidic and increases the body's production> of HCl which counteracts this kind of acidity).This is only true of ripe lemons. The more unripe when picked/eaten, themore acidic is the reaction in the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Interesting since the reason I want to do it transdermally is for my tummy! Now I don't know if I will even consider this. I thought it would work on everything in the body! Thanks for pointing this out. I just can't take MMS orally I had sever acid reflux that took forever to get better. Then I tried this supplement this past week called chlorella and I had extreme pain as it burned the lining of my stomach. I have to be VERY careful what I ingest now. Hugs, Bonnie & ACLooking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 On 9/27/2008, mumpup2000 (leoniecent@...) wrote: > I have gut problems too and am going to do transdermal. I think it > would work better transdermally anyway, as there's too many side > effects from oral ingestion and it's too slow. Actually, one thing to not overlook - a LOT of people have major problems with digestujion and the gut - and that includes lots of the wrong 'critters' in there. Taking MMS orally is the fastest way to treat gut issues due to candida overgrowth, parasites and other critters. I don't think transdermal will ever work on the gut. Maybe the bad side effects are a sign that you NEED to be taking it orally? Also - there's absolutely no reason (thgat I can see) that you couldn't take it orally as slow as you want (staying just under your pain threshhold), AND take it transdermally TOO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 On 9/28/2008, evian793@... (evian793@...) wrote: > Thanks for pointing this out. Just to be clear... I said I don't THINK taking it transdermally will effectively treat the gut... maybe it will, but it just doesn't seem like it would if you think about it logically. > I just can't take MMS orally I had sever acid reflux that took > forever to get better. What were you using for the activator? Many people cannot tolerate circ acid, so if you were taking that, try fresh lemon juice. Same if you were using raw ACV... Also, how much were you taking? Did you try taking less? Even down to half a drop or less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 It does work for everything in the body. The thing is, DMSO is very drying, and MMS can be irritating to the skin because of the ph. Some people who have very sensitive skin get very red or itchy with the MMS, others don't have much problem. But the combo of the MMS and DMSO seems to make most people have some of both--itching and redness. The MSM stops all that. Plus, there's something in the MSM that completes the DMSO so you get that benefit too. So just because you put it on your stomach doesn't mean it would go just to your stomach. It enters the blood stream and goes everywhere. But the stomach can be sensitive skin. If you are only doing this once a day it might be fine to keep using the stomach. But--you may want to switch around. It depends on each person and their sensitivity and needs. Samala, -------Original Message------- Interesting since the reason I want to do it transdermally is for my tummy! Now I don't know if I will even consider this. I thought it would work on everything in the body! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Bonnie, I put together an article on digestion this spring that dealt a lot with acidity. You can find it about the 5th screen down at: http://www.dowsers.info/toronto/digestn.htm perhaps it can help? chlorella would have been something that I would have recommended as greens have a higher pH but you obviously have a more sensitive and unusual physiology than most where the usual 'rules' do not apply? . . . I wonder how Edgar Cayce's castor oil compresses would work? I started getting some acid reflux. This is before I heard about mms Then in the mornings I started taking fresh lemon juice in water (lemon juice, internall is alkaline, not acidic and increases the body's production of HCl which counteracts this kind of acidity). then sometime during the day would mix chlorophyll and aloe vera in water and drink it. The acid reflux disappeared. But that was me. To see if stuff could be harmful or helpful for you, plz consider body dowsing. With your mind, feelings -- neutral, unattached, centered, unbiased, relaxed, etc.: hold the item you want to eat up to your chest, next to your thymus. close your eyes sense if your body naturally wants to sway forward, or backward. with most people --- if forward --- its beneficial. if backwards -- it is not I apologize if you know any of this or if I am intruding or wrong. just a few thoughts I hope could help. - Marilyn - At 09:51 AM 9/28/2008 EDT, evian793@... wrote: >Interesting since the reason I want to do it transdermally is for my tummy! >Now I don't know if I will even consider this. I thought it would work on >everything in the body! > >Thanks for pointing this out. I just can't take MMS orally I had sever acid >reflux that took forever to get better. Then I tried this supplement this >past week called chlorella and I had extreme pain as it burned the lining of >my stomach. I have to be VERY careful what I ingest now. > >Hugs, > >Bonnie & AC > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 On 9/28/2008 10:30 AM, Marilyn Gang wrote: > I started getting some acid reflux. Most (not all) acid reflux is a result of too LITTLE (of the RIGHT) acid in the stomach - generally, low hydrochloric acid production. This can be tested easily by simply taking some raw/organic ACV in water, or, if you have a problem with raw ACV, some HCL supplementation. If the acid reflux goes away, then your problem is low HCL production. > This is before I heard about mms > Then in the mornings I started taking fresh lemon juice in water (lemon > juice, internall is alkaline, not acidic and increases the body's production > of HCl which counteracts this kind of acidity). This is only true of ripe lemons. The more unripe when picked/eaten, the more acidic is the reaction in the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I disagree. After being on oral MMS for a year, the pain in my stomach forced me to keep lowering the dosage. I finally stopped taking it this way and the pain went away. It felt like I had developed an ulcer in my upper G.I. MMS is very caustic! The long term ramifications are unknown at this time. As for killing candida, I have found It does help with at the lower doses but as you go up in drops it also kills the good bacteria. I am still trying to rebuild my system from this. Topical application is much safer! Although the MMS can still burn the skin using it this way (as it did to me) this can be avoided by rotating areas on the body in which you apply it. It will still get into your gut, just not so directly. For example, I believe my youngest daughter got reinfected last month. For 2 days I dosed her every few hours with the MMS and silver as per her doctor's instructions to try to knock back the infection. Even used externally like this after several applications, she was having diarrhea. It is not worth the health of your stomach to be using high doses of MMS orally. Maybe you could rotate oral dosing with topical dosing. But I feel, after experimenting for a month now, that transdermal application is safer and just as effective. Just my 2 cents, -- Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally On 9/27/2008, mumpup2000 (leoniecent@...) wrote: > I have gut problems too and am going to do transdermal. I think it > would work better transdermally anyway, as there's too many side > effects from oral ingestion and it's too slow. Actually, one thing to not overlook - a LOT of people have major problems with digestujion and the gut - and that includes lots of the wrong 'critters' in there. Taking MMS orally is the fastest way to treat gut issues due to candida overgrowth, parasites and other critters. I don't think transdermal will ever work on the gut. Maybe the bad side effects are a sign that you NEED to be taking it orally? Also - there's absolutely no reason (thgat I can see) that you couldn't take it orally as slow as you want (staying just under your pain threshhold), AND take it transdermally TOO. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 On 9/28/2008 12:32 PM, susan wrote: > I disagree. After being on oral MMS for a year, the pain in my > stomach forced me to keep lowering the dosage. No one here suggests that anyone should take it daily for an entire year - whatever gave you the idea that you should? What dosae/frequency did you take it during this time? > I finally stopped taking it this way and the pain went away. Imagine that... > It felt like I had developed an ulcer in my upper G.I. MMS is very > caustic! Of course it is. Especially if you misuse it. Did you read something somewhere that lead you to believe otherwise? > As for killing candida, I have found It does help with at the lower > doses but as you go up in drops it also kills the good bacteria. I am > still trying to rebuild my system from this. 'This' being the/your MISUSE of MMS (no offense intended, just stating what appears to be the obvious). > Topical application is much safer! Prove it. Seriously. How do you know that you won't develop some kind of flesh eating syndrome after long term use? Your assumptions will continue to get you into trouble if you don't start tempering them with a little wisdom. > Although the MMS can still burn the skin using it this way (as it did > to me) this can be avoided by rotating areas on the body in which you > apply it. It will still get into your gut, just not so directly. Again, prove it... no offense, just asking you to consider that your statements are pure opinion, and not based on any kind of logical foundation. > For example, I believe my youngest daughter got reinfected last > month. Reinfected with what? > For 2 days I dosed her every few hours with the MMS and silver as per > her doctor's instructions to try to knock back the infection. Even > used externally like this after several applications, she was having > diarrhea. This doesn't necessarily mean that the MMS was getting into her colon. It means that something was causing her body to dump a lot of toxins into her colon - and since the MMS likely gets into the blood, and the blood gets to the liver, it was most likely coming from the liver. I'm not saying that taking it transdermally isn't effective - I'm just saying that that isn't the most effective way to treat bugs in the digestive tract. > It is not worth the health of your stomach to be using high doses of > MMS orally. Not for a year or more, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 When you have lyme disease, it takes a long time to cure. Many people are on antibiotics for many years. I consider MMS to be far safer than antbx. I actually cannot tolerate any antbx. I do not suppose you you have lyme or you would not be so condescending to me! We in the lyme community use ourselves as guinea pigs as the medical establishment has failed us. For many MMS has been a great tool for getting better when nothing else was helping them to progress. It is a long term illness depending upon how long you have been infected and how many coinfections you carry. I do not appreciate you judging me or my choice of treatment! Because of my experimentation, others can go on to use it in a safer way. Of, course my statements are my opinion! My opinion based upon my experiences! People interested in this method of application are free to choose for themselves what is best for them. I am just putting my experiences and opinions out there to give them alternatives for those who are becoming intolerant of oral dosing. Some tolerance and tempered with compassion for others conditions seem to be beyond you, but I would ask that you try to temper your reactions as you come off sounding very arrogant! If you do not agree, say so, but please do not use sarcasm to make me look bad! It makes you look like a bully! -- Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally On 9/28/2008 12:32 PM, susan wrote: > I disagree. After being on oral MMS for a year, the pain in my > stomach forced me to keep lowering the dosage. No one here suggests that anyone should take it daily for an entire year - whatever gave you the idea that you should? What dosae/frequency did you take it during this time? > I finally stopped taking it this way and the pain went away. Imagine that... > It felt like I had developed an ulcer in my upper G.I. MMS is very > caustic! Of course it is. Especially if you misuse it. Did you read something somewhere that lead you to believe otherwise? > As for killing candida, I have found It does help with at the lower > doses but as you go up in drops it also kills the good bacteria. I am > still trying to rebuild my system from this. 'This' being the/your MISUSE of MMS (no offense intended, just stating what appears to be the obvious). > Topical application is much safer! Prove it. Seriously. How do you know that you won't develop some kind of flesh eating syndrome after long term use? Your assumptions will continue to get you into trouble if you don't start tempering them with a little wisdom. > Although the MMS can still burn the skin using it this way (as it did > to me) this can be avoided by rotating areas on the body in which you > apply it. It will still get into your gut, just not so directly. Again, prove it... no offense, just asking you to consider that your statements are pure opinion, and not based on any kind of logical foundation. > For example, I believe my youngest daughter got reinfected last > month. Reinfected with what? > For 2 days I dosed her every few hours with the MMS and silver as per > her doctor's instructions to try to knock back the infection. Even > used externally like this after several applications, she was having > diarrhea. This doesn't necessarily mean that the MMS was getting into her colon. It means that something was causing her body to dump a lot of toxins into her colon - and since the MMS likely gets into the blood, and the blood gets to the liver, it was most likely coming from the liver. I'm not saying that taking it transdermally isn't effective - I'm just saying that that isn't the most effective way to treat bugs in the digestive tract. > It is not worth the health of your stomach to be using high doses of > MMS orally. Not for a year or more, no. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Hi I agree with you, . Simon is arrogant. When he suggested that you temper your actions 'with wisdom'I was surprised he didn't say something like "as I wouldhave done because I am so smart" ...or 'temper with wisdom' "if you have any wisdom, that is" or something. )This whole MMS thing is very experimental and we should be glad to hear what others are doing even ifothers may not agree.For people who just cannot tolerate the MMS, may I suggest that you go take a look at a product calledAlligin. I apparently kills Lyme, yeast, fungus, HIV,bacteria and viruses. It is all natural so it would besafer than MMS, I would think. The website for itis www.lhninternational.com/lhnproducts I am a representative for this company so if you would like to talk to me, just send me your phone number to my private email address (not to the group)or you can call me. I have cheap long distance so Iam happy to pay for the call.I can also provide a link for an audio about this. Letme know if I can send it to you. Helen604-420-1544 (BC, Canada - Pacific Time) Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Bonnie Transdermally On 9/28/2008 12:32 PM, susan wrote: > I disagree. After being on oral MMS for a year, the pain in my > stomach forced me to keep lowering the dosage. No one here suggests that anyone should take it daily for an entire year - whatever gave you the idea that you should? What dosae/frequency did you take it during this time? > I finally stopped taking it this way and the pain went away. Imagine that... > It felt like I had developed an ulcer in my upper G.I. MMS is very > caustic! Of course it is. Especially if you misuse it. Did you read something somewhere that lead you to believe otherwise? > As for killing candida, I have found It does help with at the lower > doses but as you go up in drops it also kills the good bacteria. I am > still trying to rebuild my system from this. 'This' being the/your MISUSE of MMS (no offense intended, just stating what appears to be the obvious). > Topical application is much safer! Prove it. Seriously. How do you know that you won't develop some kind of flesh eating syndrome after long term use? Your assumptions will continue to get you into trouble if you don't start tempering them with a little wisdom. > Although the MMS can still burn the skin using it this way (as it did > to me) this can be avoided by rotating areas on the body in which you > apply it. It will still get into your gut, just not so directly. Again, prove it... no offense, just asking you to consider that your statements are pure opinion, and not based on any kind of logical foundation. > For example, I believe my youngest daughter got reinfected last > month. Reinfected with what? > For 2 days I dosed her every few hours with the MMS and silver as per > her doctor's instructions to try to knock back the infection. Even > used externally like this after several applications, she was having > diarrhea. This doesn't necessarily mean that the MMS was getting into her colon. It means that something was causing her body to dump a lot of toxins into her colon - and since the MMS likely gets into the blood, and the blood gets to the liver, it was most likely coming from the liver. I'm not saying that taking it transdermally isn't effective - I'm just saying that that isn't the most effective way to treat bugs in the digestive tract. > It is not worth the health of your stomach to be using high doses of > MMS orally. Not for a year or more, no. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Hi , I would like to offer you my support. I have a vague knowledge of Lymes disease and know that treating it is always a lengthy process. I have heard of people who are using MMS to treat infectious conditions linked with autism (related to a depressed immune system) and that treatment has also proven to be lengthy (months or years instead of weeks). I hope that you continue to experience improved health and thank you for your insight!!! > I disagree. After being on oral MMS for a year, the pain in my > stomach forced me to keep lowering the dosage. No one here suggests that anyone should take it daily for an entire year - whatever gave you the idea that you should? What dosae/frequency did you take it during this time? > I finally stopped taking it this way and the pain went away. Imagine that... > It felt like I had developed an ulcer in my upper G.I. MMS is very > caustic! Of course it is. Especially if you misuse it. Did you read something somewhere that lead you to believe otherwise? > As for killing candida, I have found It does help with at the lower > doses but as you go up in drops it also kills the good bacteria. I am > still trying to rebuild my system from this. 'This' being the/your MISUSE of MMS (no offense intended, just stating what appears to be the obvious). > Topical application is much safer! Prove it. Seriously. How do you know that you won't develop some kind of flesh eating syndrome after long term use? Your assumptions will continue to get you into trouble if you don't start tempering them with a little wisdom. > Although the MMS can still burn the skin using it this way (as it did > to me) this can be avoided by rotating areas on the body in which you > apply it. It will still get into your gut, just not so directly. Again, prove it... no offense, just asking you to consider that your statements are pure opinion, and not based on any kind of logical foundation. > For example, I believe my youngest daughter got reinfected last > month. Reinfected with what? > For 2 days I dosed her every few hours with the MMS and silver as per > her doctor's instructions to try to knock back the infection. Even > used externally like this after several applications, she was having > diarrhea. This doesn't necessarily mean that the MMS was getting into her colon. It means that something was causing her body to dump a lot of toxins into her colon - and since the MMS likely gets into the blood, and the blood gets to the liver, it was most likely coming from the liver. I'm not saying that taking it transdermally isn't effective - I'm just saying that that isn't the most effective way to treat bugs in the digestive tract. > It is not worth the health of your stomach to be using high doses of > MMS orally. Not for a year or more, no. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Helen, Thank you for your support. I really do appreciate it! I do take an allicin supplement as well as silver, and salt/c for the lyme. I think I have my bases covered between all of these. I will check out their website, though. Thanks again, -- Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally Hi I agree with you, . Simon is arrogant. When he suggested that you temper your actions 'with wisdom'I was surprised he didn't say something like "as I wouldhave done because I am so smart" ...or 'temper with wisdom' "if you have any wisdom, that is" or something. )This whole MMS thing is very experimental and we should be glad to hear what others are doing even ifothers may not agree.For people who just cannot tolerate the MMS, may I suggest that you go take a look at a product calledAlligin. I apparently kills Lyme, yeast, fungus, HIV,bacteria and viruses. It is all natural so it would besafer than MMS, I would think. The website for itis www.lhninternational.com/lhnproducts I am a representative for this company so if you would like to talk to me, just send me your phone number to my private email address (not to the group)or you can call me. I have cheap long distance so Iam happy to pay for the call.I can also provide a link for an audio about this. Letme know if I can send it to you. Helen604-420-1544 (BC, Canada - Pacific Time) Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Bonnie Transdermally On 9/28/2008 12:32 PM, susan wrote: > I disagree. After being on oral MMS for a year, the pain in my > stomach forced me to keep lowering the dosage. No one here suggests that anyone should take it daily for an entire year - whatever gave you the idea that you should? What dosae/frequency did you take it during this time? > I finally stopped taking it this way and the pain went away. Imagine that... > It felt like I had developed an ulcer in my upper G.I. MMS is very > caustic! Of course it is. Especially if you misuse it. Did you read something somewhere that lead you to believe otherwise? > As for killing candida, I have found It does help with at the lower > doses but as you go up in drops it also kills the good bacteria. I am > still trying to rebuild my system from this. 'This' being the/your MISUSE of MMS (no offense intended, just stating what appears to be the obvious). > Topical application is much safer! Prove it. Seriously. How do you know that you won't develop some kind of flesh eating syndrome after long term use? Your assumptions will continue to get you into trouble if you don't start tempering them with a little wisdom. > Although the MMS can still burn the skin using it this way (as it did > to me) this can be avoided by rotating areas on the body in which you > apply it. It will still get into your gut, just not so directly. Again, prove it... no offense, just asking you to consider that your statements are pure opinion, and not based on any kind of logical foundation. > For example, I believe my youngest daughter got reinfected last > month. Reinfected with what? > For 2 days I dosed her every few hours with the MMS and silver as per > her doctor's instructions to try to knock back the infection. Even > used externally like this after several applications, she was having > diarrhea. This doesn't necessarily mean that the MMS was getting into her colon. It means that something was causing her body to dump a lot of toxins into her colon - and since the MMS likely gets into the blood, and the blood gets to the liver, it was most likely coming from the liver. I'm not saying that taking it transdermally isn't effective - I'm just saying that that isn't the most effective way to treat bugs in the digestive tract. > It is not worth the health of your stomach to be using high doses of > MMS orally. Not for a year or more, no. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Thank you, . -- Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally Hi , I would like to offer you my support. I have a vague knowledge of Lymes disease and know that treating it is always a lengthy process. I have heard of people who are using MMS to treat infectious conditions linked with autism (related to a depressed immune system) and that treatment has also proven to be lengthy (months or years instead of weeks). I hope that you continue to experience improved health and thank you for your insight!!! > I disagree. After being on oral MMS for a year, the pain in my > stomach forced me to keep lowering the dosage. No one here suggests that anyone should take it daily for an entire year - whatever gave you the idea that you should? What dosae/frequency did you take it during this time? > I finally stopped taking it this way and the pain went away. Imagine that... > It felt like I had developed an ulcer in my upper G.I. MMS is very > caustic! Of course it is. Especially if you misuse it. Did you read something somewhere that lead you to believe otherwise? > As for killing candida, I have found It does help with at the lower > doses but as you go up in drops it also kills the good bacteria. I am > still trying to rebuild my system from this. 'This' being the/your MISUSE of MMS (no offense intended, just stating what appears to be the obvious). > Topical application is much safer! Prove it. Seriously. How do you know that you won't develop some kind of flesh eating syndrome after long term use? Your assumptions will continue to get you into trouble if you don't start tempering them with a little wisdom. > Although the MMS can still burn the skin using it this way (as it did > to me) this can be avoided by rotating areas on the body in which you > apply it. It will still get into your gut, just not so directly. Again, prove it... no offense, just asking you to consider that your statements are pure opinion, and not based on any kind of logical foundation. > For example, I believe my youngest daughter got reinfected last > month. Reinfected with what? > For 2 days I dosed her every few hours with the MMS and silver as per > her doctor's instructions to try to knock back the infection. Even > used externally like this after several applications, she was having > diarrhea. This doesn't necessarily mean that the MMS was getting into her colon. It means that something was causing her body to dump a lot of toxins into her colon - and since the MMS likely gets into the blood, and the blood gets to the liver, it was most likely coming from the liver. I'm not saying that taking it transdermally isn't effective - I'm just saying that that isn't the most effective way to treat bugs in the digestive tract. > It is not worth the health of your stomach to be using high doses of > MMS orally. Not for a year or more, no. ------------ --------- --------- ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Hi . Just ignore Simon. He likes to talk like he knows everything, and was giving people advice on MMS long before he even ventured to try it. Actually Jim Humble says that lyme is the most difficult disease to kill and that it can take a year or more on MMS to get rid of lyme. To give your stomach a break it might be a good idea to do the transdermal treatment. Or just take a break from the MMS for a few weeks and get on some high quality pathogen killing herbs. Then after a while you can go back to MMS. If you take the herbs then you shouldn't loose ground, meaning the bacteria should not start multiplying while off the MMS, so when you get back on it you would be right where you left off, or perhaps even better--because some of the bacteria may be killed off with the herbs. For yeast Jim did discover that it can become resistant to MMS. So perhaps bacteria and virus can too. No one can know for sure. These things hide in cells, covering themselves in things the body doesn't recognize as being bad. Perhaps they have found a way to hide from chlorine dioxide and it would take a break from MMS so that the new bacteria/virus is fighting the herbs and doesn't recognize the MMS. Might be worth experimenting with, as it seems to work for Candida that way. Samala, -------Original Message------- When you have lyme disease, it takes a long time to cure. Many people are on antibiotics for many years. I consider MMS to be far safer than antbx. I actually cannot tolerate any antbx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 If you have tolerance problems with activated MMS, please consider using it UNactivated. It can still be reactive, but on a much milder scale... Of course, work up to your tolerance level again. Chuck I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder. On 9/28/2008 3:32:49 PM, susan (ssiegel5@...) wrote: > When you have lyme disease, it takes a long time to cure. Many people are > on antibiotics for many years. I consider MMS to be far safer than antbx. > I actually cannot tolerate any antbx. > > I do not suppose you you have lyme or you would not be so condescending to > me! We in the lyme community use ourselves as guinea pigs as the medical > establishment has failed us. For many MMS has been a great tool for > getting better when nothing else was helping them to progress. It is a long > term illness depending upon how long you have been infected and how many > coinfections you carry. I do not appreciate you judging me or my choice of > treatment! Because of my experimentation, others can go on to use it in a > safer way. > > Of, course my statements are my opinion! My opinion based upon my > experiences! People interested in this method of application are free to > choose for themselves what is best for them. I am just putting my > experiences and opinions out there to give them alternatives for those who > are becoming intolerant of oral dosing. > > Some tolerance and tempered with compassion for others conditions seem to > be beyond you, but I would ask that you try to temper your reactions as Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Am seriously thinking of starting out my mngs. with lemon juice. However by drinking coffee can that counteract all of this? Thanks, B & ACLooking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Why should I do that when it works great transdermally? I get the same results and it bypasses my digestive system and leaves my stomach unharmed. -- Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally If you have tolerance problems with activated MMS, please consider using it UNactivated. It can still be reactive, but on a much milder scale... Of course, work up to your tolerance level again. Chuck I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder. On 9/28/2008 3:32:49 PM, susan (ssiegel5@...) wrote: > When you have lyme disease, it takes a long time to cure. Many people are > on antibiotics for many years. I consider MMS to be far safer than antbx. > I actually cannot tolerate any antbx. > > I do not suppose you you have lyme or you would not be so condescending to > me! We in the lyme community use ourselves as guinea pigs as the medical > establishment has failed us. For many MMS has been a great tool for > getting better when nothing else was helping them to progress. It is a long > term illness depending upon how long you have been infected and how many > coinfections you carry. I do not appreciate you judging me or my choice of > treatment! Because of my experimentation, others can go on to use it in a > safer way. > > Of, course my statements are my opinion! My opinion based upon my > experiences! People interested in this method of application are free to > choose for themselves what is best for them. I am just putting my > experiences and opinions out there to give them alternatives for those who > are becoming intolerant of oral dosing. > > Some tolerance and tempered with compassion for others conditions seem to > be beyond you, but I would ask that you try to temper your reactions as ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I do use it transdermally and will never go back to using orally! I never have to worry about stomach distress again! I feel it is a far superior way to take it and I recommend it for everyone who wishes to try it. BTW, I also use other protocols besides MMS to treat my lyme and co. infections. -- Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally Hi . Just ignore Simon. He likes to talk like he knows everything, and was giving people advice on MMS long before he even ventured to try it. Actually Jim Humble says that lyme is the most difficult disease to kill and that it can take a year or more on MMS to get rid of lyme. To give your stomach a break it might be a good idea to do the transdermal treatment. Or just take a break from the MMS for a few weeks and get on some high quality pathogen killing herbs. Then after a while you can go back to MMS. If you take the herbs then you shouldn't loose ground, meaning the bacteria should not start multiplying while off the MMS, so when you get back on it you would be right where you left off, or perhaps even better--because some of the bacteria may be killed off with the herbs. For yeast Jim did discover that it can become resistant to MMS. So perhaps bacteria and virus can too. No one can know for sure. These things hide in cells, covering themselves in things the body doesn't recognize as being bad. Perhaps they have found a way to hide from chlorine dioxide and it would take a break from MMS so that the new bacteria/virus is fighting the herbs and doesn't recognize the MMS. Might be worth experimenting with, as it seems to work for Candida that way. Samala, -------Original Message------- When you have lyme disease, it takes a long time to cure. Many people are on antibiotics for many years. I consider MMS to be far safer than antbx. I actually cannot tolerate any antbx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 On 9/28/2008, susan (ssiegel5@...) wrote: > When you have lyme disease, it takes a long time to cure. Many > people are on antibiotics for many years. I consider MMS to be far > safer than antbx. I actually cannot tolerate any antbx. They are totally different things and operate on totally different principles, so cannot be 'compared' in such a manner. > I do not suppose you you have lyme or you would not be so > condescending to me! Please look up the word in a dictionary... hint: I was not condescending to you. > We in the lyme community use ourselves as guinea pigs as the medical > establishment has failed us. As do people with cancer, 'AIDS', and every other chronic 'disease' the medical establishment claims a monopoly on. This is not to make light of people with lyme - but your words imply that you feel that way about people with pther diseases.. > For many MMS has been a great tool for getting better when nothing > else was helping them to progress. It is a long term illness > depending upon how long you have been infected and how many > coinfections you carry. I do not appreciate you judging me or my > choice of treatment! If I tell you that jumping from a roof of a house will likely result in you breaking a leg or worse - is that 'judging you'? MMS is NOT intended to be used at high doses for extended periods of time - if you do so, you do so at your own risk, and should not be 'surprised' if you experience problems. > Because of my experimentation, others can go on to use it in a safer > way. Sharing your experiences is a good thing - as long as you do so with the understanding that your use of > Of, course my statements are my opinion! My opinion based upon my > experiences! People interested in this method of application are > free to choose for themselves what is best for them. I am just > putting my experiences and opinions out there to give them > alternatives for those who are becoming intolerant of oral dosing. And that is appreciated. > Some tolerance and tempered with compassion for others conditions > seem to be beyond you, but I would ask that you try to temper your > reactions as you come off sounding very arrogant! Yes, I know, been told that many times before. Sorry - but maybe you should learn to read written words with a little thicker skin. > If you do not agree, say so, but please do not use sarcasm to make me > look bad! It makes you look like a bully! My words *could* be ready that way sometimes - my apologies for not choosing to take the time to try to sugar coat them to make them more palatable to people who are overly sensitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 On 9/28/2008, helen/zhebee (zhebee@...) wrote: > I agree with you, . Simon is arrogant. When he > suggested that you temper your actions 'with wisdom' > I was surprised he didn't say something like " as I would > have done because I am so smart " ...or 'temper with > wisdom' " if you have any wisdom, that is " or something. ) Why go looking for things that aren't there? I didn't say any of these things, so why read them into my words? Why is it a bad thing to suggest to someone that what they may be doing is unwise - if that is the case? > This whole MMS thing is very experimental and we > should be glad to hear what others are doing even if > others may not agree. It is experimental, yes - but there is considerable knowledge gained from years of usage by Jim and others that gives us some basic guidelines, and NOT taking it at these high doses for extended periods of time, and to back-off when you experience the nausea/diahhrea until you no longer experience thsm are two things that are pretty well documented. So, why does it make me 'mean' or 'sarcasttic' if I point out that using something like MMS without reading OR FOLLOWING the guidelines may not be the pinnacle of wisdom - or minimally, to at least acknowledge that when criticising something. s comments did NOT acknowledge that she was using it in this manner - she simply pronounced GENERAL judgement on MMS based on her MISUSE of it. Had she simply said 'I was experimenting with it using high doses for extended periods of time and developed stomach problems similar to ulcers' as a warning to others who might be or be thinking about doingb the same thing, that would have been fine, and would have elicited an entirely different response from me (if I responded at all). > For people who just cannot tolerate the MMS, may I > suggest that you go take a look at a product called > Alligin. I apparently kills Lyme, yeast, fungus, HIV, > bacteria and viruses. It is all natural so it would be > safer than MMS, I would think. The website for it > is www.lhninternational.com/lhnproducts Oh yes, lets push our overpriced MLM products on her now. No thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I would just imagine that transdermal MMS works just as good as oral. Anything put on the skin gets absorbed, as we all know. There is a doctor I met from Florida that does everything transdermally--curing cancer, paralysis, etc. He makes up creams with all the herbs and whatever is needed. These and some tinctures he makes is all he uses--never, ever surgery. Mostly it is the creams he relies on. His tinctures are mainly for parasite cleansing and liver support. So--if the creams will carry the supplements into the body and they do their job that way, rather than orally--there's no reason why AMMS done transdermally would not do its job. My only question--that I haven't seen anyone talk about is this---- Does transdermal DMSO/AMMS smell of DMSO on the body and breath the way straight oral DMSO does? Samala, -------Original Message------- Why should I do that when it works great transdermally? I get the same results and it bypasses my digestive system and leaves my stomach unharmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 On 9/29/2008, evian793@... (evian793@...) wrote: > Am seriously thinking of starting out my mngs. with lemon juice. > However by drinking coffee can that counteract all of this? The study that suggested that anti-oxidant level of coffee is high was highly flawed/biased, but if you're concered about it, just take the MMS an hour or two after your coffee - unless you drink it all day, in which case I'd say you might want to rethink your coffee habit... Contrary to what the coffee sellers would have you believe, it is not good for you, although in very small amounts (a cup or less per day) it post likely isn't bad either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 ....studies have shown that coffee in moderation has some protective value against liver cancer. > Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally > > > On 9/29/2008, evian793@... (evian793@...) wrote: > > Am seriously thinking of starting out my mngs. with lemon juice. > > However by drinking coffee can that counteract all of this? > > The study that suggested that anti-oxidant level of coffee is high was > highly flawed/biased, but if you're concered about it, just take the MMS > an hour or two after your coffee - unless you drink it all day, in > which case I'd say you might want to rethink your coffee habit... > > Contrary to what the coffee sellers would have you believe, it is not > good for you, although in very small amounts (a cup or less per day) it > post likely isn't bad either. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 On 9/29/2008, bob Larson (bobList@...) wrote: > ...studies have shown that coffee in moderation has some protective value > against liver cancer. Moderation being the operative word - a cup (coffee cup, not 8 ounce glass) or less per day... as I said... But you must also understand where the studies are coming from. Does it have *some* protective qualities? Maybe - but you can get far more and better protection from many other things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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