Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 , Great point about transdermal medications. My daughter's ND prescribed her creams to straighten out her neurotransmitters as she will not take pills. About the smell/taste issue, I think it depends on what kind of DMSO you mix it with. I use that rose scented cream so the smell is fine. You do end up tasting it in your mouth a bit. Not horrible, though. But that just means it's working and I only use it when I go to sleep so it is not an issue for me. You also get used to it. I suppose you could chew a mint after using it. -- Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally I would just imagine that transdermal MMS works just as good as oral. Anything put on the skin gets absorbed, as we all know. There is a doctor I met from Florida that does everything transdermally--curing cancer, paralysis, etc. He makes up creams with all the herbs and whatever is needed. These and some tinctures he makes is all he uses--never, ever surgery. Mostly it is the creams he relies on. His tinctures are mainly for parasite cleansing and liver support. So--if the creams will carry the supplements into the body and they do their job that way, rather than orally--there's no reason why AMMS done transdermally would not do its job. My only question--that I haven't seen anyone talk about is this---- Does transdermal DMSO/AMMS smell of DMSO on the body and breath the way straight oral DMSO does? Samala, -------Original Message------- Why should I do that when it works great transdermally? I get the same results and it bypasses my digestive system and leaves my stomach unharmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Thanks . Samala, -------Original Message------- About the smell/taste issue, I think it depends on what kind of DMSO you mix it with. I use that rose scented cream so the smell is fine. You do end up tasting it in your mouth a bit. Not horrible, though. But that just means it's working and I only use it when I go to sleep so it is not an issue for me. You also get used to it. I suppose you could chew a mint after using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Simon, You may consider my use of MMS as "misuse." But that is your opinion and your opinion only! EXCUSE ME for not wording my posts according to your standards. Having lyme disease causes brain fog and I feel it is more important to get out my messages than worrying I am offending you with the wording of them! BTW, the wording of your posts are condescending and arrogant! I am highly offended by them! I also NEVER said I used MMS in high doses for extended periods of time. The highest dose I got to was 10-12 drops for a short period of time. By the time I stopped I was only using 4-5 drops when the stomach pain began! So I would appreciate it if you would not misquote me either! Is their a moderator for this group?????????? These types of harassing posts would never be allowed on other groups. I am on several other groups where there is a lot more respect and compassion for other group members. These types of posts by SImon could easily intimidate new members and scare them away. This is supposed to be a supportive and informative place with mutual respect for everyone's experience. Simon has brought an animosity that has no place here. Should this continue, I know I will end up leaving this group. I know you, Simon, will give 2 s****s about that. Maybe that is your goal. Are you a govt. Plant to dissuade others from learning?? No need to answer that. -- Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally On 9/28/2008, helen/zhebee (zhebee@...) wrote: > I agree with you, . Simon is arrogant. When he > suggested that you temper your actions 'with wisdom' > I was surprised he didn't say something like "as I would > have done because I am so smart" ...or 'temper with > wisdom' "if you have any wisdom, that is" or something. ) Why go looking for things that aren't there? I didn't say any of these Things, so why read them into my words? Why is it a bad thing to suggest to someone that what they may be doing Is unwise - if that is the case? > This whole MMS thing is very experimental and we > should be glad to hear what others are doing even if > others may not agree. It is experimental, yes - but there is considerable knowledge gained From years of usage by Jim and others that gives us some basic Guidelines, and NOT taking it at these high doses for extended periods Of time, and to back-off when you experience the nausea/diahhrea until You no longer experience thsm are two things that are pretty well Documented. So, why does it make me 'mean' or 'sarcasttic' if I point out that using Something like MMS without reading OR FOLLOWING the guidelines may not Be the pinnacle of wisdom - or minimally, to at least acknowledge that When criticising something. s comments did NOT acknowledge that she was using it in this manner - she simply pronounced GENERAL judgement on MMS based on her MISUSE of It. Had she simply said 'I was experimenting with it using high doses For extended periods of time and developed stomach problems similar to Ulcers''s as a warning to others who might be or be thinking about doingb The same thing, that would have been fine, and would have elicited an Entirely different response from me (if I responded at all). > For people who just cannot tolerate the MMS, may I > suggest that you go take a look at a product called > Alligin. I apparently kills Lyme, yeast, fungus, HIV, > bacteria and viruses. It is all natural so it would be > safer than MMS, I would think. The website for it > is www.lhninternational.com/lhnproducts Oh yes, lets push our overpriced MLM products on her now. No thanks... ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Why don't you read posts better????????? She is not talking about MMS. She is talking about drinking a cleansing drink before drinking her coffee and asking if it is counterproductive! -- Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally On 9/29/2008, evian793@... (evian793@...) wrote: > Am seriously thinking of starting out my mngs. with lemon juice. > However by drinking coffee can that counteract all of this? The study that suggested that anti-oxidant level of coffee is high was highly flawed/biased, but if you're concered about it, just take the MMS an hour or two after your coffee - unless you drink it all day, in which case I'd say you might want to rethink your coffee habit... Contrary to what the coffee sellers would have you believe, it is not good for you, although in very small amounts (a cup or less per day) it post likely isn't bad either. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 On 9/29/2008, Siegel (ssiegel5@...) wrote: > EXCUSE ME for not wording my posts according to your standards. > Having lyme disease causes brain fog and I feel it is more important > to get out my messages than worrying I am offending you with the > wording of them! Yet you expect ME to be worried about how I word MY posts so I won't offend YOU? > BTW, the wording of your posts are condescending and arrogant! I am > highly offended by them! Pot... kettle... black... Why is it that some people who are sick have these huge chips on their shoulders, and react negatively unless someone expresses pity, sugar coats and/or agrees with everything they say? > I also NEVER said I used MMS in high doses for extended periods of > time. The highest dose I got to was 10-12 drops for a short period > of time. By the time I stopped I was only using 4-5 drops when the > stomach pain began! > > So I would appreciate it if you would not misquote me either! You said: " After being on oral MMS for a year, the pain in my stomach forced me to keep lowering the dosage. I finally stopped taking it this way and the pain went away. " Rather than react violently, maybe you could have simply re-read your post, realized that your words could easily be read the way I read them, and corrected the misunderstanding. But some people would rather play the part of the wounded victim. Bah. > Is their a moderator for this group?????????? Last resort for someone who cannot discuss facts rationally: " Moderator! Silence that annoying person speaking the truth! " > These types of harassing posts would never be allowed on other > groups. I am on several other groups where there is a lot more > respect and compassion for other group members. Harassing?? YOU, , are the one who is escalating this thread. And since you are so inclined at making accusations, please cite the words of mine that 'disrespected' or 'harassed' you. Simon <shaking head in sad amusement at the silliness of some people> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 On 9/29/2008, Siegel (ssiegel5@...) wrote: > Why don't you read posts better????????? Were you the Hall Monitor when you were in school? > She is not talking about MMS. She is talking about drinking a > cleansing drink before drinking her coffee and asking if it is > counterproductive! She asked her question in the middle of a thread discussing the use of MMS. It sounded like she was talking about using MMS activated with lemon juice. Since plain lemon juice by itself is not a very popular 'morning drink', I don't think its a strecth to guess that she was talking about MMS+lemon juice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Would you please provide info on the Dr. in Florida who uses transdermal methods? I would be most grateful. -Biz > > , > > Great point about transdermal medications. My daughter's ND prescribed her > creams to straighten out her neurotransmitters as she will not take pills. > > About the smell/taste issue, I think it depends on what kind of DMSO you mix > it with. I use that rose scented cream so the smell is fine. You do end up > tasting it in your mouth a bit. Not horrible, though. But that just means > it's working and I only use it when I go to sleep so it is not an issue for > me. You also get used to it. I suppose you could chew a mint after using > it. > > > > -- Re: [ ] Bonnie Transdermally > > I would just imagine that transdermal MMS works just as good as oral. > Anything put on the skin gets absorbed, as we all know. There is a doctor I > met from Florida that does everything transdermally--curing cancer, > paralysis, etc. He makes up creams with all the herbs and whatever is > needed. These and some tinctures he makes is all he uses--never, ever > surgery. Mostly it is the creams he relies on. His tinctures are mainly > for parasite cleansing and liver support. > > So--if the creams will carry the supplements into the body and they do their > job that way, rather than orally--there's no reason why AMMS done > transdermally would not do its job. > > My only question--that I haven't seen anyone talk about is this---- > Does transdermal DMSO/AMMS smell of DMSO on the body and breath the way > straight oral DMSO does? > > Samala, > > > -------Original Message------- > > Why should I do that when it works great transdermally? I get the same > results and it bypasses my digestive system and leaves my stomach unharmed. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Simon , People come here for help not insults.Insulting others is not tollerated at this group.You are being rude. Try ignoring posts that irritate you. Wilkins moderator > EXCUSE ME for not wording my posts according to your standards.> Having lyme disease causes brain fog and I feel it is more important> to get out my messages than worrying I am offending you with the> wording of them!Yet you expect ME to be worried about how I word MY posts so I won'toffend YOU?> BTW, the wording of your posts are condescending and arrogant! I am> highly offended by them!Pot... kettle... black...Why is it that some people who are sick have these huge chips on theirshoulders, and react negatively unless someone expresses pity, sugarcoats and/or agrees with everything they say?> I also NEVER said I used MMS in high doses for extended periods of> time. The highest dose I got to was 10-12 drops for a short period> of time. By the time I stopped I was only using 4-5 drops when the> stomach pain began!> > So I would appreciate it if you would not misquote me either!You said:"After being on oral MMS for a year, the pain in my stomach forced me tokeep lowering the dosage. I finally stopped taking it this way and thepain went away."Rather than react violently, maybe you could have simply re-read yourpost, realized that your words could easily be read the way I read them,and corrected the misunderstanding. But some people would rather playthe part of the wounded victim. Bah.> Is their a moderator for this group??????? ???Last resort for someone who cannot discuss facts rationally:"Moderator! Silence that annoying person speaking the truth!"> These types of harassing posts would never be allowed on other > groups. I am on several other groups where there is a lot more> respect and compassion for other group members.Harassing??YOU, , are the one who is escalating this thread.And since you are so inclined at making accusations, please cite thewords of mine that 'disrespected' or 'harassed' you.Simon <shaking head in sad amusement at the silliness of some people> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 i thought the instructions say not to take it transdermally and orally simultaneously? Due to the volume of chlorine dioxide which will be taken in a short amount of time, taking chlorine dioxide orally is absolutely not an option for this treatment. or maybe that is just for OCC b/c it's such a large volume of MMS? monique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 simon jim humble talks about taking MMS for a year or more to treat lyme. it says it takes that long to knock lyme out. i believe it's in bk 2. monique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Sigh It had been so peaceful for so long. Samala, -------Original Message------- Simon , People come here for help not insults.Insulting others is not tollerated at this group.You are being rude. Try ignoring posts that irritate you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 His name is Tick http://www.edimi.com/staff.htm He's an utterly fascinating doctor and his healing stories are incredible. Samala, -------Original Message------- Would you please provide info on the Dr. in Florida who uses transdermal methods? I would be most grateful. -Biz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 On 9/29/2008 3:56 PM, Sauve wrote: > i thought the instructions say not to take it transdermally and orally > simultaneously? > > > Due to the volume of chlorine dioxide which will be taken in a > short amount of time, taking chlorine dioxide orally is absolutely > not an option for this treatment. > > > or maybe that is just for OCC b/c it's such a large volume of MMS? I think what they are saying is you cannot reach the levels achieved by the transdermal method orally. At least thats the way I read it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 On 9/29/2008, Sauve (moniquesauve@...) wrote: > simon jim humble talks about taking MMS for a year or more to treat > lyme. it says it takes that long to knock lyme out. i believe it's in bk 2. Yes, but not at the highest dosages... And there is no actual proof that MMS wil cure lyme, anyway... at this point it is mostly theory... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 On 10/10/2005, nadonm (nadonm@...) wrote: > my hearth burn and acid reflux was all caused by stress by negative > people Until you take ownership of your situation/condition, you will continue to be 'stressed by others'. Unless you are in prison or some other genuine situation where some external forces have physical control of your body - and even then, it is possible to wall off your MIND to the vast majority of the detrimental effects that kind of stress can cause - the bottom line is, you, and you alone (or more specifically, the way you CHOOSE to REACT to external situations) are responsible for your own dis-ease. You do have a choice. If someone in your day to day life really is causing you that much stress, REMOVE THEM FROM YOUR LIFE. And believe it or not, I AM NOT JUDGING YOU. This is simply the way it is. Reality is. Pointing it out often results in the messenger being shot for delivering the message. p.s. you might want to fix your clock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Dear Simon - - - and ... ? I remember reading the original posting, sorry I don't remember who wrote it. I think... I know this kind of feeling. With many large shopping centers, and stores like Walmart and KMart and some really cheapened dollar stores - - when I come out of there, I feel drained. When I first moved to this town, driving around I passed a building and had a big feeling of sadness and oppression. Later I found out it was the jail. When I'm in a hospital, visiting someone, I feel ok, about 20 minutes out of it, I feel drained and sad. In some religious buildings, in the woods, at some concerts, I feel uplifted and joyous. Yes, I'm using the " I " and also know that many people share similar experiences. Its the accumulations of peoples feelings and energies. Everyone feels these energies and reacts to them, in some way, but not everyone is aware of it. Some of us are more sensitive than others. I've been trying to understand this for years and do something about it, with some success, but not 100% --- and if anyone has the tools or expertise around them --- its me. I can get rid of it, after the fact, but have not been able to shield myself totally in the first place. Well, actually yes I do and I've done it, but it requires the type of discipline I have not succeeded with --- yet --- either. People who don't experience this have a hard time understanding it --- even if they are sensitive in other areas. Its because I am one of those who is sensitive in this area that I know about it and because I am sensitive I've been paying attention to it and have developed some experience around it. If it does not touch you, you probably think otherwise. Some are sensitive --- when the sensitivity is intensified we call it an allergy. I have been around many people who -- when others are around these folks they say they feel drained. Because the people are 'energy vampires'. When I walk to my friend's house, I have to pass by the men's mission. Sometimes some of the men are hanging around outside. Sometimes if I pass too close to them, I feel nauseous. This is because those who create this have a very low vibrational energy, they are alcoholics and filled with detrimental energies and entities. The Exorcist may be a movie, however those experiences are real. Just as people do get certain feelings, which start out as emotional and then become physical --- when they are around certain people. We are having a speaker tonight, from Augusta, Georgia. Korn --- www.dowsers.com --- he is an internationally known dowser and his work addresses these issues. Our May speaker is a Jesuit priest. He spoke on clearing these negative energies. He has lots of experience, too, in this area. I think a reason many of us are on this list is because we go through situations --- like this one, perhaps --- that the so called science of today just does not understand and therefore can not address. Because the situations we go through involve such subtle energies that the science --- which insists on using measuring methodologies --- is too primitive to measure these energies. So they say it doesn't exist. Like Fibromyalgia. I dismiss things, too, when I don't understand them or my head is too full of other stuff. Then I get hit in the head and get whomped with another dose of compassion. Usually. Hopefully. I am glad for you that you have been able to remove from your life everything that causes you stress, negativity, etc. Not everyone is there yet and we can't get there soon enough for my taste. I'm not explaining this as clearly as I'd like but my attention is on the details for tonight's meeting. If there are questions you think I may be able to answer, please ask and I shall try to make a better answer and at a better time (for me). As for getting rid of the stress by negative people itself --- the short answer is --- many people try different kinds of positive visualizations. I have found it does not work so well. Just like one would not put make up on a dirty face --- we have to do what we can to clean out the gunk in the first place. Clean out the not so good, then put in the good..... There are ways to do that. ttfn, - Marilyn - At 06:39 AM 10/14/2008 -0400, Simon wrote: >On 10/10/2005, nadonm (nadonm@...) wrote: >> my hearth burn and acid reflux was all caused by stress by negative >> people > >Until you take ownership of your situation/condition, you will continue >to be 'stressed by others'. > >Unless you are in prison or some other genuine situation where some >external forces have physical control of your body - and even then, it >is possible to wall off your MIND to the vast majority of the >detrimental effects that kind of stress can cause - the bottom line is, >you, and you alone (or more specifically, the way you CHOOSE to REACT to >external situations) are responsible for your own dis-ease. > >You do have a choice. If someone in your day to day life really is >causing you that much stress, REMOVE THEM FROM YOUR LIFE. > >And believe it or not, I AM NOT JUDGING YOU. This is simply the way it >is. Reality is. Pointing it out often results in the messenger being >shot for delivering the message. > >p.s. you might want to fix your clock... > >------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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