Re: MMS Treated Drinking Water and Bladder Cancer Post

[Guest guest]

Dr. Sircus,

If I'm not mistaken, is pushing his own miracle cure through transdermal

magnesium oil which is effective I believe but no miracle as nothing is.

Unfortunately, he did not bother to read any literature or did bother and is

trying to scare because in the amounts taken, amounts suggested safe by the fda,

mms is not only not harmful but effective. There is a great support group on

curezone that is growing rapidly but more importantly there is a survey there on

their survey board and out of 100 or so people that have taken it I think 80

said they would continue and have had significant positive result. 4 I believe

have said they would not but if you read their reasonings, not one followed the

protocol and not one had bad results... The important thing is to read and know

what you are taking yourself. Read the free ebook, go to the boards and listen

to other peoples experience. By the way, go to MMS SUPPORT group and not the

Debate group which was

created to discredit. Well, on second thought, go there too and see what you

think - if, like Dr. Sircus, there reasonings give you pause, take some time out

to research for yourself and listen to what kind of results people are having.

The proof is always in the pudding.

Hope this helps

> From: Sharon <shha2002@...>

> Subject: [ ] MMS Treated Drinking Water and Bladder

Cancer Post

>

> Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 7:33 AM

> Someone on another forum asked me about this and

> specifically the

> cancer risk. I don't see a few thousand cases of

> cancer from the

> treated drinking water a significant number but I'm not

> sure. I'm

> also not sure if the chlorine dioxide is causing the cancer

> or if

> other pathogens are causing it.

>

> Would anyone on here care to comment on this post? I still

> believe

> in the product.

>

> Sharon H.

>

>

> http://www.friendsoffreedom.org/articles.inc.php?command=show & ID=11472

>

>

> Second Special Note: There has been a lot of commotion in

> health

> circles about a product called Miracle Mineral Supplement

> (MMS). It

> is being advertised as the answer to AIDS, hepatitis A, B

> and C,

> malaria, herpes, TB, most cancer and many more of

> mankind's worst

> diseases. The claim about how the chlorine (a poison, not

> what would

> be considered a mineral for health)[vi] interacts with

> pathogens is

> the same claim we can make about iodine (a safe nutritional

> mineral),

> which is known to also kill pathogens of all types on

> contact. I do

> not mean to make a qualified medical opinion on MMS, which

> is

> chlorine dioxide. Chlorine dioxide is formed from the

> chemical

> combination of sodium chlorite and the acetic acid

> (vinegar) or

> citric acid. Chlorine dioxide is dangerous to handle and

> use. A

> search for material safety data sheets sustains the risk of

> using

> this substance.

>

>

>

> Chlorine dioxide: May decompose explosively on shock,

> friction or

> concussion, or on heating rapidly. Strong oxidant - reacts

> violently

> with combustible and reducing materials, and with mercury,

> ammonia,

> sulphur and many organic compounds.[vii]

>

>

>

> A strong irritant of the skin, eyes, and respiratory tract;

> [HSDB] A

> strong oxidizer that promotes combustion; Concentrated

> solutions may

> be corrosive to the skin and eyes; Mild hemolytic anemia

> and

> increased methemoglobin in males is observed in animal

> feeding

> studies; [CHEMINFO][viii]

>

> Acute Health Effects: [ix]

>

> Ingestion: Not a normal route of exposure. Harmful if

> swallowed. Can

> cause irritation to mouth,

>

> esophagus, stomach, and mucous membranes.

>

> Eye Contact: Contact causes redness, irritation, pain,

> blurred

> vision, tearing, corneal injury and burns.

>

> Inhalation: Harmful if inhaled. Coughing, headaches,

> labored

> breathing, nausea, shortness of breath,

>

> pulmonary edema.

>

> Chronic Health Effects:

>

> May have effects on lungs, resulting in chronic bronchitis

> and

> permanent lung damage (with chronic exposure).

>

>

>

> The use of dangerous poisons is common in allopathic

> medicine. Even

> when pharmaceutical companies jump through hoops costing

> many

> millions of dollars to test such poisons (most

> pharmaceuticals are

> mitochondria poisons) it does not remove the dangers of the

> poisons,

> which create all kinds of complications and side effects.

> The natural

> allopathic medicine of Survival Medicine only uses such

> poisons as a

> last resort.

>

>

>

> It almost never makes sense medically to ignore the basics,

> the air

> we breathe, the water we drink and the sun. Minerals like

> magnesium

> and iodine are up there with the prime basics of life and

> the use of

> poisons like chlorine dioxide should not be considered for

> use unless

> the basics do not supply the necessary resolution. In the

> special

> case of the supposedly magical mineral substance we have

> something

> vastly safer, more natural and proven through over a

> century of

> medical use. We have iodine, which has the same anti

> pathogenic

> profile as that claimed for the chlorine compound.

>

>

>

> It is hard to believe that chlorine would

> be selective in what it damages or kills.

>

>

>

> A later meta-analysis found chlorinated water is associated

> each year

> in America with about 4,200 cases of bladder cancer and

> 6,500 cases

> of rectal cancer. Chlorine is estimated to account for nine

> percent

> of bladder cancer cases and 18 percent of rectal cancers.

> Those

> cancers develop because the bladder and rectum store waste

> products

> for periods of time. (Keeping the bowels moving regularly

> lowers such

> risk.) Chlorinated water is associated with higher total

> risk of all

> cancers.[x]

>

>

>

> Lastly, the marketing materials and promotion of this

> chlorine

> compound are not anchored in medical science or reason. It

> is very

> hard to verify claims or trust those who whip up medical

> hysteria

> because we never know when testimonials are just

> projections of the

> hysteria. The placebo effect is alive and well and its

> waters

> fertilized when unsubstantiated claims are made. It makes

> sense

> sometime in medicine to take risks but not before medical

> basics is

> employed first. Why promote the use of something that has

> inherent

> dangers when we have something proven and safe.

>

>

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

>

> http://www.imva.info

>

>

> http://www.magnesiumforlife.com

>

> Sanctuary Cancer Clinic

[Guest guest]

As far as Mark's claim about the dangers of chlorine dioxide--he's right--for DRY sodium chloride, not for the small amount of chlorined dioxide that we take as MMS. I investigated this when I was shipping the dry sodium chloride flakes out. Sodium chloride can not start fires, but if there is enough heat applied it can increase fires--making them burn hotter and faster. Therefore, it was illegal to ship dry sodium chloride (which is mixed with distilled water to make MMS) unless you were an approved site, and there were major hoops to jump through to get approved. So I didn't and I stopped shipping dry chlorite.

When the chlorite is mixed with water it becomes MMS at 28% sodium chlorite, which is perfectly safe to ship through the mail. Stronger that that is not allowed, because if the liquid leaks out of the container, and when the liquid dries, it reverts back to pure sodium chlorite--which can increase a fire. But they consider 28% safe.

Now, we are taking 28% sodium chlorite and mixing it with an acid to come up with, if I remember Jim right--a 5% solution of chlorine dioxide. Perhaps it is even smaller than that--can't remember and don't have time to look. Then, you are diluting that by mixing with water or juice, plus your stomach fluids when you drink it. It gets down to miniscule amounts of chlorine dioxide in your body--in completely safe amounts.

What Sirus and others forget to tell you is that you NATURALLY have chlorine dioxide in your system! You are simply giving the body a bit more to work with when you take AMMS. When AMMS is used up in the body, all that is chemically left is--table salt. :-) All perfectly safe.

Just because a person is seen as an "authority" on health issues, does not mean they know about all alternative protocols. I respect Dr. Sircus on many subjects, but not his take on MMS.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Someone on another forum asked me about this and specifically the

cancer risk.

[Guest guest]

the cancer risk from chlorinated water is from chlorine gas used in most

water treatment plants. many municipalities are changing over to using

sodium chlorite (that's MMS) instead due to it's much improved impact on

health eliminating the downsides of chlorine gas. my county water dept has

changed over several treatment plants and will have them all changed within

10 years. mark sircus knows about and sells a good iodine product,

magnascent, and probably some magnesium of some form(?), but his BS about

MMS is a load of (i can only surmise deliberate self-interest aggression

against a perceived competitor) misinformation that has led me to decide to

never do business with him... i'll take my iodine the old-time and cheap

Lugol's way...plenty good enough. and my magnesium via magnesium chloride,

also dirt cheap (buy bulk from saltwater aquarium suppliers or get nigari...

i believer they're the same thing)

> [ ] MMS Treated Drinking Water and

> Bladder Cancer Post

>

>

> Someone on another forum asked me about this and specifically the

> cancer risk. I don't see a few thousand cases of cancer from the

> treated drinking water a significant number but I'm not sure. I'm

> also not sure if the chlorine dioxide is causing the cancer or if

> other pathogens are causing it.

>

> Would anyone on here care to comment on this post? I still believe

> in the product.

>

> Sharon H.

>

>

> http://www.friendsoffreedom.org/articles.inc.php?command=show & ID=11472

>

>

> Second Special Note: There has been a lot of commotion in health

> circles about a product called Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS). It

> is being advertised as the answer to AIDS, hepatitis A, B and C,

> malaria, herpes, TB, most cancer and many more of mankind's worst

> diseases. The claim about how the chlorine (a poison, not what would

> be considered a mineral for health)[vi] interacts with pathogens is

> the same claim we can make about iodine (a safe nutritional mineral),

> which is known to also kill pathogens of all types on contact. I do

> not mean to make a qualified medical opinion on MMS, which is

> chlorine dioxide. Chlorine dioxide is formed from the chemical

> combination of sodium chlorite and the acetic acid (vinegar) or

> citric acid. Chlorine dioxide is dangerous to handle and use. A

> search for material safety data sheets sustains the risk of using

> this substance.

>

>

>

> Chlorine dioxide: May decompose explosively on shock, friction or

> concussion, or on heating rapidly. Strong oxidant - reacts violently

> with combustible and reducing materials, and with mercury, ammonia,

> sulphur and many organic compounds.[vii]

>

>

>

> A strong irritant of the skin, eyes, and respiratory tract; [HSDB] A

> strong oxidizer that promotes combustion; Concentrated solutions may

> be corrosive to the skin and eyes; Mild hemolytic anemia and

> increased methemoglobin in males is observed in animal feeding

> studies; [CHEMINFO][viii]

>

> Acute Health Effects: [ix]

>

> Ingestion: Not a normal route of exposure. Harmful if swallowed. Can

> cause irritation to mouth,

>

> esophagus, stomach, and mucous membranes.

>

> Eye Contact: Contact causes redness, irritation, pain, blurred

> vision, tearing, corneal injury and burns.

>

> Inhalation: Harmful if inhaled. Coughing, headaches, labored

> breathing, nausea, shortness of breath,

>

> pulmonary edema.

>

> Chronic Health Effects:

>

> May have effects on lungs, resulting in chronic bronchitis and

> permanent lung damage (with chronic exposure).

>

>

>

> The use of dangerous poisons is common in allopathic medicine. Even

> when pharmaceutical companies jump through hoops costing many

> millions of dollars to test such poisons (most pharmaceuticals are

> mitochondria poisons) it does not remove the dangers of the poisons,

> which create all kinds of complications and side effects. The natural

> allopathic medicine of Survival Medicine only uses such poisons as a

> last resort.

>

>

>

> It almost never makes sense medically to ignore the basics, the air

> we breathe, the water we drink and the sun. Minerals like magnesium

> and iodine are up there with the prime basics of life and the use of

> poisons like chlorine dioxide should not be considered for use unless

> the basics do not supply the necessary resolution. In the special

> case of the supposedly magical mineral substance we have something

> vastly safer, more natural and proven through over a century of

> medical use. We have iodine, which has the same anti pathogenic

> profile as that claimed for the chlorine compound.

>

>

>

> It is hard to believe that chlorine would

> be selective in what it damages or kills.

>

>

>

> A later meta-analysis found chlorinated water is associated each year

> in America with about 4,200 cases of bladder cancer and 6,500 cases

> of rectal cancer. Chlorine is estimated to account for nine percent

> of bladder cancer cases and 18 percent of rectal cancers. Those

> cancers develop because the bladder and rectum store waste products

> for periods of time. (Keeping the bowels moving regularly lowers such

> risk.) Chlorinated water is associated with higher total risk of all

> cancers.[x]

>

>

>

> Lastly, the marketing materials and promotion of this chlorine

> compound are not anchored in medical science or reason. It is very

> hard to verify claims or trust those who whip up medical hysteria

> because we never know when testimonials are just projections of the

> hysteria. The placebo effect is alive and well and its waters

> fertilized when unsubstantiated claims are made. It makes sense

> sometime in medicine to take risks but not before medical basics is

> employed first. Why promote the use of something that has inherent

> dangers when we have something proven and safe.

>

>

>

> Mark Sircus Ac., OMD

> Director International Medical Veritas Association

>

> http://www.imva.info

>

>

> http://www.magnesiumforlife.com

>

> Sanctuary Cancer Clinic

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Bob. I'll pass on your post if that's okay with you. Is

sodium chlorite what you get in the MMS bottle and chlorine dioxide

what you get when activated?

Sharon

>

> the cancer risk from chlorinated water is from chlorine gas used in

most

> water treatment plants. many municipalities are changing over to

using

> sodium chlorite (that's MMS) instead due to it's much improved

impact on

> health eliminating the downsides of chlorine gas. my county water

dept has

> changed over several treatment plants and will have them all

changed within

> 10 years. mark sircus knows about and sells a good iodine product,

> magnascent, and probably some magnesium of some form(?), but his BS

about

> MMS is a load of (i can only surmise deliberate self-interest

aggression

> against a perceived competitor) misinformation that has led me to

decide to

> never do business with him... i'll take my iodine the old-time and

cheap

> Lugol's way...plenty good enough. and my magnesium via magnesium

chloride,

> also dirt cheap (buy bulk from saltwater aquarium suppliers or get

nigari...

> i believer they're the same thing)

>

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From:

> > [mailto: ]On Behalf Of

Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

feel free to pass on my writing. also, be sure to share JHumble's response

to mark sircus that was recently posted. when i wrote to sircus i wasn't

anywhere near as knowledgeable or at all polite.

MMS is a 28% sodium chlorite solution which when activated with an acid like

citric or vinegar produces chlorine dioxide. we do it in such a manner that

the chlorine dixide is mostly produced in time within our body, and somehow

i haven't heard of anyone erupting in flames. i have heard claims of human

spontaneous combustion but always thought it was a load of leg-pulling

nonsense, but maybe those folks somehow snorted a load of ClO2 gas and

burned from the inside out? :-)

> [ ] Re: MMS Treated Drinking Water and

> Bladder Cancer Post

>

>

> Thank you Bob. I'll pass on your post if that's okay with you. Is

> sodium chlorite what you get in the MMS bottle and chlorine dioxide

> what you get when activated?

>

> Sharon

>

> >

> > the cancer risk from chlorinated water is from chlorine gas used in

> most

> > water treatment plants. many municipalities are changing over to

> using

> > sodium chlorite (that's MMS) instead due to it's much improved

> impact on

> > health eliminating the downsides of chlorine gas. my county water

> dept has

> > changed over several treatment plants and will have them all

> changed within

> > 10 years. mark sircus knows about and sells a good iodine product,

> > magnascent, and probably some magnesium of some form(?), but his BS

> about

> > MMS is a load of (i can only surmise deliberate self-interest

> aggression

> > against a perceived competitor) misinformation that has led me to

> decide to

> > never do business with him... i'll take my iodine the old-time and

> cheap

> > Lugol's way...plenty good enough. and my magnesium via magnesium

> chloride,

> > also dirt cheap (buy bulk from saltwater aquarium suppliers or get

> nigari...

> > i believer they're the same thing)

> >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From:

> > > [mailto: ]On Behalf Of

> Sharon

> >

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>