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Thanks for your reply Chris. I would love to metabolise coffee as you do.

I get so anxious when I have it, my kids hate me for the rest of the day.

We have pretty strong coffee over here in OZ though. I love the strong

bitter taste but Wes, my partner, says as a herb it is just too 'hot' for my

constitution. (He is an acupuncturist) Sally doesn't recommend coffee or

chocolate but I have found some organic cocoa that gives me a buzz (not too

much though). Ah ignorance is bliss. If only I didn't know what I know

hey.

Joanne

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Joanne,

First, you shouldn't drink *strong* coffee. Make your own, and make it

weaker. In the US, coffees get bigger and stronger every year. I'd be able to

fly

if I drank the average large coffee sold in a donut shop.

Second, if you want to increase your metabolism, I suggest lifting weights.

I don't know the mechanism, but I started doing so in order to rebalance my

endocrine system, hoping it would better my glucose metabolism also, and it

seems to have had dramatic positive impacts on my metabolism of everything,

including caffeiene.

To test what you can tolerate, go five days with no coffee and drink on an

empty stomach. Whatever amount gives you a buzz, don't reach it when you drink

coffee.

Chris

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Joanne,

>We have pretty strong coffee over here in OZ though. I love the strong

>bitter taste but Wes, my partner, says as a herb it is just too 'hot' for

>my constitution. (He is an acupuncturist)

Great point. Seems to me that the bitter taste of coffee may be largely

what people are craving (bitters stimulate the production of bile), and the

bitter taste can be gotten in many other ways. I use herbal bitters instead

of taking HCL which is also too " hot " for me.

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Thanks for the tips Chris.

I love the taste of STRONG coffee and wouldn't bother if I couldn't have

that way. So I will probably just surprise myself every few months with a

DELICIOUS smack in the head.

Joanne

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>

> Great point. Seems to me that the bitter taste of coffee may be largely

> what people are craving (bitters stimulate the production of bile), and

the

> bitter taste can be gotten in many other ways. I use herbal bitters

instead

> of taking HCL which is also too " hot " for me.

>

> -

I agree , I just love Dandelion leaves and rocket with apple cider

vinegar and good olive oil. So much cooler also. And Swedish Bitters works.

Guess I need these for my liver and Coffee would definitely not be giving me

what I am looking for in this case. My temper is just too strong for

coffee. Wish it wasn't. Wish I was a Kaffa not a Pitta.

Joanne

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Joanne,

that's so funny.. I never heard the term " rocket " before, in relation to

food!.. but just tonight heard it from Oliver and realized it was

arugula! It's one of my favorite greens, watercress too, mixed with a bit

of other milder greens just to take the edge off the heat.

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>I agree , I just love Dandelion leaves and rocket with apple cider

>vinegar and good olive oil. So much cooler also. And Swedish Bitters works.

>Guess I need these for my liver and Coffee would definitely not be giving me

>what I am looking for in this case. My temper is just too strong for

>coffee. Wish it wasn't. Wish I was a Kaffa not a Pitta.

>

>Joanne

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  • 2 years later...

....real interesting and very tempting (i might go for some if i ever get

more work going) but whoever wrote up the website apparently drinks far too

much of the stuff.

> COFFEE - was: Re: [ ] Re: Bonnie

> Transdermally

>

>

> On 10/1/2008, Marilyn Gang (mgang@...) wrote:

> > Coffee prepared from coffee beans (seeds) which are freshly roasted and

> > then ground and used within about 3 days of the roasting, has

> significant

> > health value. And yes, it does have strong antioxidant properties.

>

> I'll certainly concede the possibility (even probability - hey, I like

> coffee myself) - but...

>

> How many people do you know that drink coffee from freshly

> picked/roasted beans? I'd say that would be in the neighborhood of less

> than 1/10th of 1 percent. Most are too lazy to even grind their own, and

> drink 'folgers', or 'maxwell house' toxic garbage.

>

> So, I'll qualify my statement that it is unhealthy - with respect to the

> average coffee drinker in the USA, and even in the world today.

>

> There is one source I know of for the best - and environmentally

> friendly - coffee I've ever had. It is shade grown, sun dried, and the

> beans are only harvested when fully ripe:

>

> http://www.capulincoffee.com/brief.html

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On 10/1/2008, bob Larson (bobList@...) wrote:

> ...real interesting and very tempting (i might go for some if i ever get

> more work going) but whoever wrote up the website apparently drinks far too

> much of the stuff.

lol! yeah, I think does his own site, and a graphic designer/html

guy he ain't... ;)

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Hi Daddybob - - -

I believe there is a homeopathic caffeine that helps people with

caffeine withdrawl. Am not suggesting you go out and get it, but a

homeopath would know how it is used. I do not.

Just mentioning this, in case you might need it in the future.

Part of my experience w mms is what it did to my cravings. I don't have

a lot, thank goodness, but really started to crave more live food and more

greens. I am glad of that.

Am pretty sure it is because:

Life attracts Life. Death attracts Death

which I believe to be so, esp. with food. well, people, bacteria, too, I

suppose.

WHenever I am healthy I crave healthy food.

Another side note --- I have observed that the fast food industry owes its

success to creating fake food based on the nutrition we need to survive:

Fat, salt and sugar. Their food tastes and is fat, salt sugar, but it is

not nutritious. So the more one eats of that, the more one craves, but it

is fake nutrition. The body is trying to satisfy those needs but it is fooled.

For me, taking mms has helped to further reduce those desires, which for

me, thank goodness are small. When I'm hungry now, I want salads, broccoli,

kale, etc. Which probably means I'm lacking minerals.

Food cravings, I have found, unless it represents an addiction or some

emotional comfort, usually means some nutrition or something like that, is

lacking.

oh -- and on the heart stuff --- Strauss Heart Drops seem to be very good

for many different kinds of heart related [physical] problems. So good, in

fact, that the govt keeps trying to shut them down because they work so well.

Good luck!

- Marilyn -

At 09:56 AM 10/3/2008 -0400, ransley wrote:

>OK, it's been a long time since I said much here but this has drawn me out.

>Several people on this group already know that I have been through a recent

>quitting and withdrawal from coffee because of heart problems. Quitting

>coffee stopped about 99% of that.

>

>Last weekend I imbibed just a lttile Yerba Mate- good organic stuff- and

>still got heart flutters from it. If caffeine is not the cause of those

>problems then somebody is going to have to sure-nuff show me.

>

>If the financial world does not come to an end and if my own finances

>permit, I might buy some of that Capulin and try it, but the problem is-

>I've now learned to live without it so why do I want to do all that work to

>roast my own beans? Well I'll admit, it's very tempting because I really

>miss the charge of caffeine. I've got some thinking to do.

>

>In the meantime consider this- since quitting, all my need for any health

>supplements has gone down and so has my hunger and food cravings. OK so

>according to Capulin, maybe that was from drinking crap coffee.

>

>Daddybob

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I used to drink coffee for help with my migraines-then I became really

" allergic " to it (sometimes a certain food just suddenly nauseates and I figure

it's my body's way of telling-no more, this is toxic for you now.) Anyway, I

still need the caffeine sometimes so I go between some really terrific

caffeinated mints from a company called Penguin (amazing-3 mints equal a can of

coke's caffeine!) or I use an energy drink which I am not crazy about but it

works in a pinch. Sometimes just a hit of caffeine can discourage a headache.

And no, I never got migraines from coffee withdrawal-most days I'm fine with no

caffeine at all and never get a headache-it's weird.

> >

> > What you may be experiencing with coffee is it's ability to " mask "

> > other symptoms and complaints. It essentially " replaces "

> > environmental reactions with its own. Nicotine is another mask,

> > especially for those with chemical sensititivies.

>

>

> Occasionally I will be bothered by some really bad outdoor mold. It gives me

heart symptoms, nasty headaches and brain inflammation.

>

> Certainly running like hell from it would be the optimal choice.

>

> Sometimes this is not really practical though.

>

> A few cups of strong coffee, a few cups of strong peppermint tea and several

aspirin bring the headaches and inflammation to tolerable levels. This feels

like a good thing, certainly for the short-term but (I think) for the long-term

too.

>

> I feel the same way about air filters. If you have to use them every day, a

change of locations seems like a good idea. But occasional use to get through a

rough patch seems to me not an unreasonable thing to do.

>

> Caffeine is a drug, no doubt.

>

> But drugs can be helpful, if you use them in the right way.

>

>

>

>

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