Re: My controversy with Ozone

[Guest guest]

Dear Arthur,

I would say that the 200 -300 liver flushes you have done have more to do

with

facial aging than the ozone you did. Why do we not see this aging in the

people

that we are dealing with? On the contrary, there are more youthful looking.

You were running an experiment, as I told you at the time you embarked on

this

course of massive liver flushing. I think you may now have your answer.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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oxyplus

Subject: Re: Re: My controversy with Ozone/Saul

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:09:39 -0500 (EST)

Mike, I think you have a correct take on the situation.

Ozone is useful in correct amounts.( I have had success using it as an

insufflation.)

However, there can be too much of a good thing.

I was injecting 50 cc per day for 200+ days, and had harmful results.

Recently, I have had my drivers license renewed, and the difference in

my face is obvious. I looked like I've aged 10-15 years. My diet and

other habits have not changed. IV Ozone is the only major difference.

My feeling is that you must flood the body with anti-oxidants, and use

the ozone as a stimulant, not a cure.

This not to say that IV ozone should not be done; I would not count on

it to fix your problem; but a small amount will stimulate your own

defenses.

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Arthur,

I would say that the 200 -300 liver flushes you have done have more to do

with

facial aging than the ozone you did. Why do we not see this aging in the

people

that we are dealing with? On the contrary, there are more youthful looking.

You were running an experiment, as I told you at the time you embarked on

this

course of massive liver flushing. I think you may now have your answer.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: alltogethernow@...

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oxyplus

Subject: Re: Re: My controversy with Ozone/Saul

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:09:39 -0500 (EST)

Mike, I think you have a correct take on the situation.

Ozone is useful in correct amounts.( I have had success using it as an

insufflation.)

However, there can be too much of a good thing.

I was injecting 50 cc per day for 200+ days, and had harmful results.

Recently, I have had my drivers license renewed, and the difference in

my face is obvious. I looked like I've aged 10-15 years. My diet and

other habits have not changed. IV Ozone is the only major difference.

My feeling is that you must flood the body with anti-oxidants, and use

the ozone as a stimulant, not a cure.

This not to say that IV ozone should not be done; I would not count on

it to fix your problem; but a small amount will stimulate your own

defenses.

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

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[Guest guest]

I thought arthur had a different email addy, but if that was arthur,

I don't think he looks much older than his stated age. Plus he lives

in NYC where we rarely get enough exercise or sunshine and its really

polluted. I'm not sure very many New Yorkers look ruddy and healthy

anyway.

> Dear Arthur,

>

> I would say that the 200 -300 liver flushes you have done have more

to do

> with

> facial aging than the ozone you did. Why do we not see this aging

in the

> people

> that we are dealing with? On the contrary, there are more youthful

looking.

>

> You were running an experiment, as I told you at the time you

embarked on

> this

> course of massive liver flushing. I think you may now have your

answer.

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

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> From: alltogethernow@w...

> Reply-oxyplus

> oxyplus

> Subject: Re: Re: My controversy with Ozone/Saul

> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:09:39 -0500 (EST)

>

> Mike, I think you have a correct take on the situation.

> Ozone is useful in correct amounts.( I have had success using it

as an

> insufflation.)

> However, there can be too much of a good thing.

> I was injecting 50 cc per day for 200+ days, and had harmful

results.

> Recently, I have had my drivers license renewed, and the difference

in

> my face is obvious. I looked like I've aged 10-15 years. My diet and

> other habits have not changed. IV Ozone is the only major

difference.

> My feeling is that you must flood the body with anti-oxidants,

and use

> the ozone as a stimulant, not a cure.

> This not to say that IV ozone should not be done; I would not

count on

> it to fix your problem; but a small amount will stimulate your own

> defenses.

>

>

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies,

and other

> alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find

here are

> for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

> information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do

so at your

> own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the

ability to

> take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you

agree to

> hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas

found

> here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a

researcher

> or health care provider.

>

> You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the

following

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normal mode.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was doing IV o3, not liver flushes. The amount of times that I did and

was going to do the IVs was well known on this list.

There were no cautions beforehand. I take responsibility for my own

actions. I just want to caution anyone else who might be interested.

I believe that mega doses of antioxidants are required to counter the

IV ozone. IV Vitamin C if at all possible.

This is my experience.

I think it's irresponsible to tell people that IV o3 is THE answer to

their problems. Ozone is a tool that needs to be used with caution.

[Guest guest]

>

>

>IV Vitamin C if at all possible.

>

I thought that Vit C interferes with ozone and should be taken away from

treatment.

Dennis

alltogethernow@... wrote:

>I was doing IV o3, not liver flushes. The amount of times that I did and

>was going to do the IVs was well known on this list.

> There were no cautions beforehand. I take responsibility for my own

>actions. I just want to caution anyone else who might be interested.

> I believe that mega doses of antioxidants are required to counter the

>IV ozone. IV Vitamin C if at all possible.

> This is my experience.

> I think it's irresponsible to tell people that IV o3 is THE answer to

>their problems. Ozone is a tool that needs to be used with caution.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It seems from what I've been reading that you must make sure your

detox pathways are open. If you do that much ozone and perhaps kill

lots of virus or other microbes, your body has to get rid of all

that; as well as whatever else the ozone has oxidized (pesticides,

etc). Perhaps your liver inflammation increased in part because it

could not clear everything quickly enough. That is just speculation

on my part because I looked back through some of your posts and you

speak about how helpful castor oil packs over the liver were for you.

The amount of Vitamin C IV that you took can be damaging to the

kidneys for some people. Its good it worked for you but everybody is

individual.

I don't know how long you did the IV's, but it seems you were

discussing them this summer? I would be hard pressed to beleive

somebody would age 10-15 years in just a few months. Do you mean you

got a lot more wrinkles? Or that you look haggard?

It is hard with subjective reports to know what is happening. Its

also difficult when we, necessarily, take our healthcare into our own

hands to know how each individual body will react. It would be

helpful to me at least if you could refresh the list on how long you

did the IVs, and whether they helped your hep c or any associated

symptoms, and whether you are still doing ozone.

> I was doing IV o3, not liver flushes. The amount of times that I

did and

> was going to do the IVs was well known on this list.

> There were no cautions beforehand. I take responsibility for my own

> actions. I just want to caution anyone else who might be

interested.

> I believe that mega doses of antioxidants are required to counter

the

> IV ozone. IV Vitamin C if at all possible.

> This is my experience.

> I think it's irresponsible to tell people that IV o3 is THE answer

to

> their problems. Ozone is a tool that needs to be used with caution.

[Guest guest]

Whenever your body detoxifies sometimes you will feel terrible and your skin can

show the wear and tear before it all starts to look better. If you are breaking

up things in the body, it is ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE A GREAT DETOX program going.

You sure wouldn't want all this bad attaching itself elsewhere. And

inflammation can be a healing crisis you are going through. Maybe your body is

working on your liver, did you think of that? Maybe it is time to detoxify your

liver and rejuvenate it and that is exactly what the body is doing.

You can read up on HEALING REACTIONS AND INFLAMMATIONS on my hydrogen peroxide

page on the website below my name. It will clue you in to what you might expect

your body to do when detoxifying. It's a wonderful read.

Hope this helps,

GAle ^i^

http://www.AwakeningsEnergy.com

" Strange times are these in which we live, when old and young are taught in

falsehoods school.

And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once, a lunatic and

fool. " Plato

We are the fuses in the " global consciousness circuit board " between water and

light

Re: Re: My controversy with Ozone

I was doing IV o3, not liver flushes. The amount of times that I did and

was going to do the IVs was well known on this list.

There were no cautions beforehand. I take responsibility for my own

actions. I just want to caution anyone else who might be interested.

I believe that mega doses of antioxidants are required to counter the

IV ozone. IV Vitamin C if at all possible.

This is my experience.

I think it's irresponsible to tell people that IV o3 is THE answer to

their problems. Ozone is a tool that needs to be used with caution.

[Guest guest]

Gale speaking of h202, azurestandard can no longer ship out of state.

I am hoping and praying you did not notify any authorities of this

situation, as I recall you being very upset that they shipped as they

did, but their prices made the h202 affordable for many of us, and

now it is not. I was quite chagrined to learn this when I tried to

place an order last week. No longer available. Does anyone know of

any alternate CHEAP SOURCES? I do not want to buy from websites that

mark it up and call it cheap.

Thanx.

> Whenever your body detoxifies sometimes you will feel terrible and

your skin can show the wear and tear before it all starts to look

better. If you are breaking up things in the body, it is ALWAYS GOOD

TO HAVE A GREAT DETOX program going. You sure wouldn't want all this

bad attaching itself elsewhere. And inflammation can be a healing

crisis you are going through. Maybe your body is working on your

liver, did you think of that? Maybe it is time to detoxify your

liver and rejuvenate it and that is exactly what the body is doing.

>

> You can read up on HEALING REACTIONS AND INFLAMMATIONS on my

hydrogen peroxide page on the website below my name. It will clue

you in to what you might expect your body to do when detoxifying.

It's a wonderful read.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> GAle ^i^

> http://www.AwakeningsEnergy.com

> " Strange times are these in which we live, when old and young are

taught in falsehoods school.

> And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once, a

lunatic and fool. " Plato

>

> We are the fuses in the " global consciousness circuit board "

between water and light

> Re: Re: My controversy with Ozone

>

>

> I was doing IV o3, not liver flushes. The amount of times that I

did and

> was going to do the IVs was well known on this list.

> There were no cautions beforehand. I take responsibility for my

own

> actions. I just want to caution anyone else who might be

interested.

> I believe that mega doses of antioxidants are required to counter

the

> IV ozone. IV Vitamin C if at all possible.

> This is my experience.

> I think it's irresponsible to tell people that IV o3 is THE

answer to

> their problems. Ozone is a tool that needs to be used with

caution.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gale speaking of h202, azurestandard can no longer ship out of state.

I am hoping and praying you did not notify any authorities of this

situation, as I recall you being very upset that they shipped as they

did, but their prices made the h202 affordable for many of us, and

now it is not. I was quite chagrined to learn this when I tried to

place an order last week. No longer available. Does anyone know of

any alternate CHEAP SOURCES? I do not want to buy from websites that

mark it up and call it cheap.

Thanx.

> Whenever your body detoxifies sometimes you will feel terrible and

your skin can show the wear and tear before it all starts to look

better. If you are breaking up things in the body, it is ALWAYS GOOD

TO HAVE A GREAT DETOX program going. You sure wouldn't want all this

bad attaching itself elsewhere. And inflammation can be a healing

crisis you are going through. Maybe your body is working on your

liver, did you think of that? Maybe it is time to detoxify your

liver and rejuvenate it and that is exactly what the body is doing.

>

> You can read up on HEALING REACTIONS AND INFLAMMATIONS on my

hydrogen peroxide page on the website below my name. It will clue

you in to what you might expect your body to do when detoxifying.

It's a wonderful read.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> GAle ^i^

> http://www.AwakeningsEnergy.com

> " Strange times are these in which we live, when old and young are

taught in falsehoods school.

> And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once, a

lunatic and fool. " Plato

>

> We are the fuses in the " global consciousness circuit board "

between water and light

> Re: Re: My controversy with Ozone

>

>

> I was doing IV o3, not liver flushes. The amount of times that I

did and

> was going to do the IVs was well known on this list.

> There were no cautions beforehand. I take responsibility for my

own

> actions. I just want to caution anyone else who might be

interested.

> I believe that mega doses of antioxidants are required to counter

the

> IV ozone. IV Vitamin C if at all possible.

> This is my experience.

> I think it's irresponsible to tell people that IV o3 is THE

answer to

> their problems. Ozone is a tool that needs to be used with

caution.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I started about 2 years ago, and did the IVs for almost a year with some

interval. It started off okay, if you look back in the archives, I

mentioned improvement, I think there is a point of diminished returns,

and then damage. I don't think the liver (or my liver) can handle that

much o3 long term. What I notice especially is loss of collagen in my

cheeks. But that's not all. I'm not going to go into all of the symptoms

because this is a weird disease; symptoms that are here today will be

gone tommorow, and replaced with new ones. I am doing well and not

really having any symptoms at this time, due to other treatment, but my

appearance is not what it was or should be and I sincerely believe that

o3 is the cause of that. In the end, it also caused me to become

constipated, and produce very light stools.

I am getting the impression here, that people here are showing an " all

or nothing attitude " . And that's not what I'm trying to say. What I'm

saying is, if you do as much as I did, be cautious. Or better yet,

don't do as much. The Vitamin c IV is buffered, and given by a reputable

MD. I'm not saying people should not do iv o3; I'm saying that there

is a point of too much. I tried to eradicate the hcv and could not do

it. I don't think it's possible to do. The virus hides in the liver

cells, and o3 can't get to it, and you can't do enough, to get the virus

completely, without damage.

[Guest guest]

I just don't know what to make of what you're saying, or how loss of

collagen could be related to ozone, and why it would appear now,

after starting 2 years ago and doing a year of IV. You may be right

that it was too much for you. We all must listen to our own bodies,

as for instnace Ken backed off the ear insufflations to a much

reduced time until he could handle more.

It is also hard to know if the light stools is due to the hep c,

since light stools are a sign of a damaged liver.

I don't think anything is either-or. In mos tchronic illness you

need to combine various healing therapies in concert and find your

own way through trial and error.

THe fact that the Vitamin C is buffered doesn't really matter. The

Vitamin C IV is processed by the kidneys. I am always amazed at the

high doses people take on a regular basis. I think it's usually not

necessary; probably usually well tolerated but one ought to know

about those downsides.

> I started about 2 years ago, and did the IVs for almost a year with

some

> interval. It started off okay, if you look back in the archives, I

> mentioned improvement, I think there is a point of diminished

returns,

> and then damage. I don't think the liver (or my liver) can handle

that

> much o3 long term. What I notice especially is loss of collagen in

my

> cheeks. But that's not all. I'm not going to go into all of the

symptoms

> because this is a weird disease; symptoms that are here today will

be

> gone tommorow, and replaced with new ones. I am doing well and not

> really having any symptoms at this time, due to other treatment,

but my

> appearance is not what it was or should be and I sincerely believe

that

> o3 is the cause of that. In the end, it also caused me to become

> constipated, and produce very light stools.

> I am getting the impression here, that people here are showing

an " all

> or nothing attitude " . And that's not what I'm trying to say. What

I'm

> saying is, if you do as much as I did, be cautious. Or better yet,

> don't do as much. The Vitamin c IV is buffered, and given by a

reputable

> MD. I'm not saying people should not do iv o3; I'm saying that

there

> is a point of too much. I tried to eradicate the hcv and could not

do

> it. I don't think it's possible to do. The virus hides in the liver

> cells, and o3 can't get to it, and you can't do enough, to get the

virus

> completely, without damage.

[Guest guest]

My face has always been a barometer as to what is happening with my

liver. If that can't be accepted as fact, I can understand, but that's

my experience.

IV Vitamin c is a 'different animal " ; there is no down side to it.

That's my experience with 50-60 IVs of 150,00 mg per. There is no equal

to the benefits, but at $150.00 per, it is out of my reach to continue.

[Guest guest]

alltogether:

your system is dried out, this is one of the down sides of ozone, and precisely

why i don't do too much of it.

you need an influx of fats or more liver flushes. flax oil, olive oil, coconut

butter/cream,cream, butter

all raw preferably.. whichever agrees with your system most

light colored stool=impaired bile flow, plugged liver

if you continue down this road you need to be more patient and realize that you

aren't going after a cure, but to balance your body.

[Guest guest]

I tend to be skeptical of self-diagnosis, as in: " ozone saunas stir

up my mercury " or " I lost collagen in my face because of ozone. " I

don't mean to insult anybody, it's just that we weave narratives and

there's no proof they are accurate.

If the IV Vitamin C's helped you with no downside (and that is a

WHOPPING amount of Vitamin C, yegads!) I'd suggest you look around

for someone who can give them to you at home. The Vitamin C itself

is cheap and available by prescription from compounding pharmacies.

The IV materials are not that expensive either. The markup

your " wonderful " doctor is charging you is enormous. Typical of

alternative practitioners to charge so much. I get my vitamin/mineral

drips for $50, and I bring my own glutathione which my doctor gives

me a prescripton for and I order with no markup.

> My face has always been a barometer as to what is happening with my

> liver. If that can't be accepted as fact, I can understand, but

that's

> my experience.

> IV Vitamin c is a 'different animal " ; there is no down side to it.

> That's my experience with 50-60 IVs of 150,00 mg per. There is no

equal

> to the benefits, but at $150.00 per, it is out of my reach to

continue.

[Guest guest]

Alltogether,

Could you elaborate on the " dried out " effect ozone has on the body?

What is too much ozone to you?

Dennis

aluckower wrote:

>alltogether:

>

>your system is dried out, this is one of the down sides of ozone, and precisely

why i don't do too much of it.

>

>you need an influx of fats or more liver flushes. flax oil, olive oil, coconut

butter/cream,cream, butter

>

>all raw preferably.. whichever agrees with your system most

>

>

>light colored stool=impaired bile flow, plugged liver

>

>if you continue down this road you need to be more patient and realize that you

aren't going after a cure, but to balance your body.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I should add that the cost of 1000 mg of glutathione is probably

about $10 or something like that...I'd have to check. But at a

different doctor's office in the city he charges $100 for a

glutathione " push " that follwos the $100 vitamin/mineral IV. So his

markup on that glutathione is enormous.

It bugs me to say the least. WIth a little persistence, you can find

a cheaper price or somehow get it at home. People with lyme do IV

infusions with picc lines at home for months and years, it is legal.

> > My face has always been a barometer as to what is happening with

my

> > liver. If that can't be accepted as fact, I can understand, but

> that's

> > my experience.

> > IV Vitamin c is a 'different animal " ; there is no down side to

it.

> > That's my experience with 50-60 IVs of 150,00 mg per. There is no

> equal

> > to the benefits, but at $150.00 per, it is out of my reach to

> continue.

[Guest guest]

Dear alltogethernow,

You wrote:

" I think it's irresponsible to tell people that IV o3 is THE answer to

their problems. "

- Who was doing that?

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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Subject: Re: Re: My controversy with Ozone

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 17:38:40 -0500 (EST)

I think it's irresponsible to tell people that IV o3 is THE answer to

their problems. Ozone is a tool that needs to be used with caution.

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are

for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

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address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

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[Guest guest]

Jill,

You had a cheap place you were going to get it from and then said you were going

to get it locally. Azure was not locally. Lying doesn't cut it in my book but

hey you can do as you want, after all it's a free world.

Being concerned about the next person that handles the H202 is not a bad thing

as you might think it is. Hazardous materials should be marked that way on each

and every box. Was your box marked that way? What are you considering cheap?

There will always be a mark up on products sold over the net or anywhere else.

We too have families to feed but we won't do it illegally, we will be legal

because we consider the next person who handles this material. That is the only

difference. I would love for UPS not to charge but that is not the case. And

the only big difference in our prices and Azures was that they didn't have to

charge the additional $20.00 for shipping hazmat.

The prices on my website and Shirley's prices are resonably priced. If you

don't want to buy from us, that is your choice too.

We sell in quanity as we do charge the UPS hazmat charge which UPS gets for

handling this hazardous material and the boxes are marked and the driver is well

aware what is in the box. Some suppliers aren't even using pressurized lids on

their bottles and if they heat up they can and will explode. But then again,

you get what you pay for.

No I didn't turn them in, they probably were caught by the FDA or FEDS or

whomever. I am sure like all other alternatives we are being watched and

monitored.

I for one, will continue to do this the legal way, whether you agree or don't

agree, I believe looking out for your fellow man is being considerate. When I

was buying it I would consider this but many don't. That is their choice and

your chose as well. You can always go to a health food store and pay retail.

DOT is very strick about shipping 35% food grade H202. They can always carry

the 6% and ship it legal to you through UPS, not the post office as they want no

hazmat or hazardous material being sent through them.

So if you have a problem with me, so be it but I will continue being legal and

keeping my prices down through quanity orders.

Have a wonderful day and I am sure you can find another supplier out there.

Gale ^i^

http://www.AwakeningsEnergy.com

" Strange times are these in which we live, when old and young are taught in

falsehoods school.

And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once, a lunatic and

fool. " Plato

We are the fuses in the " global consciousness circuit board " between water and

light

Re: Re: My controversy with Ozone

>

>

> I was doing IV o3, not liver flushes. The amount of times that I

did and

> was going to do the IVs was well known on this list.

> There were no cautions beforehand. I take responsibility for my

own

> actions. I just want to caution anyone else who might be

interested.

> I believe that mega doses of antioxidants are required to counter

the

> IV ozone. IV Vitamin C if at all possible.

> This is my experience.

> I think it's irresponsible to tell people that IV o3 is THE

answer to

> their problems. Ozone is a tool that needs to be used with

caution.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Funny you should say that because I recently looked at my face in the mirror and

thought how lose my skin looked. But I put it down to losing 30 lbs over the

past 3 months. Now you have me thinking! :-) I have done a lot of ozone

saunas but feel that they have helped so much. Maybe the face cupping has drawn

out some of the bulk and show more wrinkles.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: My controversy with Ozone

I tend to be skeptical of self-diagnosis, as in: " ozone saunas stir

up my mercury " or " I lost collagen in my face because of ozone. " I

don't mean to insult anybody, it's just that we weave narratives and

there's no proof they are accurate.

> My face has always been a barometer as to what is happening with my

> liver. If that can't be accepted as fact, I can understand, but

that's

> my experience.

> IV Vitamin c is a 'different animal " ; there is no down side to it.

> That's my experience with 50-60 IVs of 150,00 mg per. There is no

equal

> to the benefits, but at $150.00 per, it is out of my reach to

continue.

[Guest guest]

Gale, I sure hope you did not report Azure! This Dept. of Homeland Security

rules and regs is just another ruse to take away our freedoms! Did anyone have

reason to think this was reported by Gale or anyone else?-

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: My controversy with Ozone

Gale speaking of h202, azurestandard can no longer ship out of state.

I am hoping and praying you did not notify any authorities of this

situation, as I recall you being very upset that they shipped as they

did, but their prices made the h202 affordable for many of us, and

now it is not. I was quite chagrined to learn this when I tried to

place an order last week.

[Guest guest]

I or anyone else doesn't have to report this to anyone. Things do happen and I

am sure UPS is checking up on site that say they are shipping via UPS as they

too don't want their people being injured by this stuff in any way shape or

form.

But Ken, you are not considering that next person either. I just don't

understand how you or Jill could be that inconsiderate.

H202 has to be handled with care, EXTREME CARE and the boxes should be marked

that 1 bottle or 12 bottles are in the box and it's a hazardous material, don't

you think?

And Jill, you are doing ozone, why are you worrying about H202 as ozone is 03

and H202 is 02. That doesn't compute with me but then again, I don't really

know what you are doing either. I do know you have a sauna and as most think on

here, it's better than H202 so why want H202?

No matter what Ken, letting the next person know they are dealing with hazardous

material is very important in my book, might not be yours but it is mine.

Being legal meant I had to attend classes to know how to properly handle this

material, what is recommended to keep it safe and to let the next person know

what is in the box.

My prices are my prices and a $20.00 extra charge has to be charged and paid to

UPS. Soon I am considering selling a different percentage so that people who

only want one bottle can get it without the additional shipping.

Gale ^i^

http://www.AwakeningsEnergy.com

" Strange times are these in which we live, when old and young are taught in

falsehoods school.

And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once, a lunatic and

fool. " Plato

We are the fuses in the " global consciousness circuit board " between water and

light

Re: My controversy with Ozone

Gale speaking of h202, azurestandard can no longer ship out of state.

I am hoping and praying you did not notify any authorities of this

situation, as I recall you being very upset that they shipped as they

did, but their prices made the h202 affordable for many of us, and

now it is not. I was quite chagrined to learn this when I tried to

place an order last week.

[Guest guest]

I or anyone else doesn't have to report this to anyone. Things do happen and I

am sure UPS is checking up on site that say they are shipping via UPS as they

too don't want their people being injured by this stuff in any way shape or

form.

But Ken, you are not considering that next person either. I just don't

understand how you or Jill could be that inconsiderate.

H202 has to be handled with care, EXTREME CARE and the boxes should be marked

that 1 bottle or 12 bottles are in the box and it's a hazardous material, don't

you think?

And Jill, you are doing ozone, why are you worrying about H202 as ozone is 03

and H202 is 02. That doesn't compute with me but then again, I don't really

know what you are doing either. I do know you have a sauna and as most think on

here, it's better than H202 so why want H202?

No matter what Ken, letting the next person know they are dealing with hazardous

material is very important in my book, might not be yours but it is mine.

Being legal meant I had to attend classes to know how to properly handle this

material, what is recommended to keep it safe and to let the next person know

what is in the box.

My prices are my prices and a $20.00 extra charge has to be charged and paid to

UPS. Soon I am considering selling a different percentage so that people who

only want one bottle can get it without the additional shipping.

Gale ^i^

http://www.AwakeningsEnergy.com

" Strange times are these in which we live, when old and young are taught in

falsehoods school.

And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once, a lunatic and

fool. " Plato

We are the fuses in the " global consciousness circuit board " between water and

light

Re: My controversy with Ozone

Gale speaking of h202, azurestandard can no longer ship out of state.

I am hoping and praying you did not notify any authorities of this

situation, as I recall you being very upset that they shipped as they

did, but their prices made the h202 affordable for many of us, and

now it is not. I was quite chagrined to learn this when I tried to

place an order last week.

[Guest guest]

Well Jen, thanks for sharing.......your " wonderful " doctor must be a

saint.

I'm skeptical of people who are skeptical of my statement when they

haven't had the same experience. Do 200+ IV o3, and then tell everyone

your experience.

[Guest guest]

Well Jen, thanks for sharing.......your " wonderful " doctor must be a

saint.

I'm skeptical of people who are skeptical of my statement when they

haven't had the same experience. Do 200+ IV o3, and then tell everyone

your experience.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Arthur, yes, I did all the good fats, and so on. I don't plan to

do the o3 as such again. I'm just going to try and stay well, and forget

about the " cure " .