Re: Topically Applying MMS to Skin Tags

[Guest guest]

Activate it and apply. Depending on how sensitive the skin is he may want to wait a bit and then wash it off. But most skin tags seemed to fall off on their own when the person took AMMS internally.

Do NOT use straight MMS from the bottle, as it can damage the skin, unless you wash it off within 30 seconds.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

My husband has some skin tags that he wants to remove. I read that you can use MMS topically, but I do not remember the protocol. Does anyone know?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the guidance.

My husband is chronically ill and we have read many testimonies

from chronically ill people who take or have taken it that it makes you sick.

We both have had this experience. While he can function while on it, he

often feels fluish, headachy, and has a sense of general malaise while on

it. It interferes with his ability to do computer programming and

do regular presentations at work, so we are opting to do it later in his

treatment. In the meantime, since I still have it, I thought I could

apply it topically, without interfering with his performance.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Gaiacita

Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:29 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin

Tags

Activate it

and apply. Depending on how sensitive the skin is he may want to wait a

bit and then wash it off. But most skin tags seemed to fall off on

their own when the person took AMMS internally.

Do NOT use

straight MMS from the bottle, as it can damage the skin, unless you wash it

off within 30 seconds.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

My husband has some skin tags that he wants to

remove. I read that you can use MMS topically, but I do not remember

the protocol. Does anyone know?

[Guest guest]

On 8/14/2008, Tracey de Morsella (tdlists@...) wrote:

> My husband is chronically ill and we have read many testimonies from

> chronically ill people who take or have taken it that it makes you

> sick. We both have had this experience. While he can function while

> on it, he often feels fluish, headachy, and has a sense of general

> malaise while on it.

All this generally means is you need to back off and take less.

The rule of thumb is, pick a dose to start with - I usually recommend 5

drops, but you can start with one if you want - and take it once per day

- evening, before bed is best. Just be sure to not take anything high in

vitamin C or other anti-oxidants within a few hours of when you take the

MMS.

Increase the dosage by one drop per day, until you either reach 10

drops, or until you start experiencing the nausea or other 'sick' like

symptoms. If you reach 10 drops without experiencing any symptoms, then

start taking the 10 drops twice per day - say, mid morning or noonish

(same caveat against anti-oxidants applies).

The ultimate goal is to work up to 15 drops, three times per day. Once

you have reached that goal, stick with it until the main reason you are

taking it is dealt with.

The above of course is for people who are dealing with some kind of

chronic illness. If you believe yourself to be generally healthy, and

actually ARE, then you should be able to work up ti the 15 drops 3 x per

day quickly, then you would back off to a maintenance program...

Personally, I don't think MMS should be taken all the time, but I think

one wee a month would be ok for maintenance, and maybe one month per

year. I'd also recommend taking a full month or two off every year.

Just use your head and listen to your body.

[Guest guest]

My husband left it on his toe he was treating for fungus overnight and it burned the skin badly around the toe. Definitely do not leave it on!--

-- Re: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin Tags

Activate it and apply. Depending on how sensitive the skin is he may want to wait a bit and then wash it off. But most skin tags seemed to fall off on their own when the person took AMMS internally.

Do NOT use straight MMS from the bottle, as it can damage the skin, unless you wash it off within 30 seconds.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

My husband has some skin tags that he wants to remove. I read that you can use MMS topically, but I do not remember the protocol. Does anyone know?

[Guest guest]

Yes, this can happen to certain people. Other people it doesn't seem to bother leaving it on. Did your husband use the straight MMS or the activated MMS?

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

My husband left it on his toe he was treating for fungus overnight and it burned the skin badly around the toe. Definitely do not leave it on!--

[Guest guest]

What is a skin tag?

[Guest guest]

Well, if you do decide to go back on it--some people don't--then be sure to take Vit C, as it is thought to deplete that in the body. It may be best to pulse the AMMS, meaning take the MMS for a couple days, then stop and take C for a couple days. Or take the C during the day and take AMMS at night before bed. Sometimes that works better because then you go to bed and don't feel the nausea.

Make sure, if he starts back, that he starts out on a very small dose and stay at that for a while--a week or so--before moving on one drop. Only add one drop at a time and stay there for a few days. This helps get rid of lots of pathogens without overloading the system.

Just know that some people cannot take MMS at all. Only you (or he) will know. Learn to listen to your body. Don't count the feeling of the die-off as a reason to quit, (nausea and diarrhea) but do consider if it makes you feel bad all over, for longer than die-off lasts.

Good luck.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

My husband is chronically ill and we have read many testimonies from chronically ill people who take or have taken it that it makes you sick. We both have had this experience. While he can function while on it, he often feels fluish, headachy, and has a sense of general malaise while on it. It interferes with his ability to do computer programming and do regular presentations at work, so we are opting to do it later in his treatment. In the meantime, since I still have it, I thought I could apply it topically, without interfering with his performance.

[Guest guest]

He used activated MMS.

-- Re: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin Tags

Yes, this can happen to certain people. Other people it doesn't seem to bother leaving it on. Did your husband use the straight MMS or the activated MMS?

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

My husband left it on his toe he was treating for fungus overnight and it burned the skin badly around the toe. Definitely do not leave it on!--

[Guest guest]

it could be he has a lot of heavy metals,

computer problems could come from emf.electro smog,radiation,chemicals.

bacteria/viral/mold/parasites/lyme & coinfections.

dental problems? h.g. fillings-rootcanals-cavations.

focal infections?

the oral mms should help BUT detoxing the colon/bile ducts kidneys is a must first !!

from your statements toxity is a big problem for him.

roger

From: Tracey de Morsella <tdlists@...>Subject: RE: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin Tags Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 12:14 AM

Thanks for the guidance.

My husband is chronically ill and we have read many testimonies from chronically ill people who take or have taken it that it makes you sick. We both have had this experience. While he can function while on it, he often feels fluish, headachy, and has a sense of general malaise while on it. It interferes with his ability to do computer programming and do regular presentations at work, so we are opting to do it later in his treatment. In the meantime, since I still have it, I thought I could apply it topically, without interfering with his performance.

From: miracle_mineral_ supplement [mailto:miracle_ mineral_suppleme ntgroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of GaiacitaSent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:29 PMmiracle_mineral_ supplementSubject: Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Topically Applying MMS to Skin Tags

Activate it and apply. Depending on how sensitive the skin is he may want to wait a bit and then wash it off. But most skin tags seemed to fall off on their own when the person took AMMS internally.

Do NOT use straight MMS from the bottle, as it can damage the skin, unless you wash it off within 30 seconds.

Samala,

-------Original Message----- --

My husband has some skin tags that he wants to remove. I read that you can use MMS topically, but I do not remember the protocol. Does anyone know?

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your recommendations.

I think I did not explain myself well…. Or I hope that is

what is the case. In the book, he tells you that you are

likely to experience a queasy stomach, headaches, flu-like symptoms and even

throwing up. Many people on the list have mentioned these

experiences. Around the web, people with severe chronic illnesses taking

MMS have reported similar difficulties. While we have addressed/ are

addressing some of the issues you raised below – particularly in my case,

all he experienced while taking MMS is a queasy stomach, headaches, and

the flu-like symptoms. He was unwilling to deal with them for months

because it makes it harder to work effectively though it on the

long term basis. He is not having problems on the computer, but

programming, proposal writing and making presentations is a little harder if

you have a stomach ache or headache most days on a long term basis. Whenever,

I have a cold or a stomach bug, I’m less productive, but it normally only

lasts a few days and I can get caught up with work after If you feel like

that for months, on a new job, in a lay-off economy, that could have a negative

impact. The prospect of working under those condition for months, did not

appeal to him. . So he opted not to take it at this time.

Most people I know with chronic illnesses like AIDs,

Cancer, CFS, Hepatitis ,etc have to be aware of severe Herx response to

detoxing because of all the toxins being released…At least that is what I

read. With most of the protocols we follow, I have been able to

manage the Herx response with charcoal,, bentonite, fiber, Spanish black

radish, Vitamin C Flushes, turkey rhubarb, Coffee Enemas, natural blood

thinners and some other measures. With MMS is was a little more

difficult. For me, I needed to wait until I was sure I had

sufficiently addressed my Helicobacter pylori issues and healed my digestive

tract sufficiently.

If you think that stomach, headaches, flu-like symptoms are

still signs that he is dealing with a heavy metal overload, radiation,

chemicals, etc. You said from my statements toxicity is a big issue for

him. If that is the case, could you explain further? I

appreciate you insights and the time you are taking.

Thanks

Tracey

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of RRM

Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:01 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin

Tags

it could be he has a lot of heavy metals,

computer problems could come from emf.electro

smog,radiation,chemicals.

bacteria/viral/mold/parasites/lyme & coinfections.

dental problems? h.g. fillings-rootcanals-cavations.

focal infections?

the oral mms should help BUT detoxing the colon/bile ducts

kidneys is a must first !!

from your statements toxity is a big problem for him.

roger

--- On Thu, 8/14/08, Tracey de Morsella <tdlists@...>

wrote:

From: Tracey de Morsella

<tdlists@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin Tags

Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 12:14 AM

Thanks for the guidance.

My husband is chronically ill and we

have read many testimonies from chronically ill people who take or have taken

it that it makes you sick. We both have had this experience.

While he can function while on it, he often feels fluish, headachy, and has a

sense of general malaise while on it. It interferes with his

ability to do computer programming and do regular presentations at work, so

we are opting to do it later in his treatment. In the meantime, since I

still have it, I thought I could apply it topically, without interfering with

his performance.

From:

miracle_mineral_ supplement [mailto:miracle_

mineral_suppleme ntgroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Gaiacita

Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:29 PM

miracle_mineral_ supplement

Subject: Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Topically Applying MMS to

Skin Tags

Activate it and apply. Depending on how sensitive the skin is

he may want to wait a bit and then wash it off. But most skin tags

seemed to fall off on their own when the person took AMMS internally.

Do NOT use straight MMS from the bottle, as it can damage the skin,

unless you wash it off within 30 seconds.

Samala,

-------Original Message----- --

My husband has some skin tags that he wants to remove. I read

that you can use MMS topically, but I do not remember the protocol.

Does anyone know?

[Guest guest]

I realize my approach will have limited appeal for many, but I have started doing mms by enema. I think it is more effective, and also, bypassing the digestion, I don't have the unpleasant effects like taste, nausea, etc. I also figure (I could be wrong about this. Please correct me if I am) that by bypassing the digestion I needn't worry about taking it too close to Vit C and supplements.

Naomi

Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Topically Applying MMS to Skin Tags

Activate it and apply. Depending on how sensitive the skin is he may want to wait a bit and then wash it off. But most skin tags seemed to fall off on their own when the person took AMMS internally.

Do NOT use straight MMS from the bottle, as it can damage the skin, unless you wash it off within 30 seconds.

Samala,

-------Original Message----- --

My husband has some skin tags that he wants to remove. I read that you can use MMS topically, but I do not remember the protocol. Does anyone know?

[Guest guest]

On 8/14/2008, Tracey de Morsella (tdlists@...) wrote:

> I think I did not explain myself well & . Or I hope that is what is the

> case. In the book, he tells you that you are likely to experience

> a queasy stomach, headaches, flu-like symptoms and even throwing up.

> Many people on the list have mentioned these experiences.

Maybe what you are missing is the goal is to stay just UNDER this

threshold. Meaning, you increase the dose until you experience these

symptoms, then back off a drop or two (or howver much it takes) until

you DON'T have these symptoms, then stay there for a few days to a week,

then slowly start adding drops again.

I believe Jim himself says that if you cannot take any without feeling

these symptoms, and/or cannot get past a certain point, then you should

stop taking it for a while at least, if not for good.

I guess it is possible that some people will never be able to tolerate it.

[Guest guest]

On 8/14/2008, Naomi (naomilh@...) wrote:

> I realize my approach will have limited appeal for many, but I have

> started doing mms by enema. I think it is more effective, and also,

> bypassing the digestion, I don't have the unpleasant effects like

> taste, nausea, etc. I also figure (I could be wrong about this.

> Please correct me if I am) that by bypassing the digestion I needn't

> worry about taking it too close to Vit C and supplements.

That is incorrect. Vitamin C is metabolized very quickly. Taking it

orally WILL stop the MMS in its tracks, even taking it via rectal

implant... and I assume you are meaning implant (fluid is retained

permanently) rather than enema (fluid is retained for a few seconds or a

minute or two, then released)...

The nausea is a symptom that it is WORKING, and a measuring stick you

use to gauge your dose.

[Guest guest]

I did tell my husband that. However thank you for reminding me it is

stopping me from second guess our decision to revisit MMS at a later date.

When he is not new to the job.

What we decided was to continue with other protocols we are doing-for now.

And return to MMS later. The reason being is that many of the people who

have seem kick these types of things, do not stick with one protocol, but

instead, bombard and rotate with multiple protocols. So, we still consider

MMS to be an important weapon in our arsenal. I myself have made great

strides by doing this. So we have decided to rotate to MMS, since there

were other steps we were taking that were working, but easier to manage the

Herx response. The other reason is that we cannot find anyone on the

Internet with Hep C that has reported a cure or significant improvement yet,

but we have seen studies and many incidental reports of such improvements or

remission with some of the other protocols we are using. It is my hope that

during his rotation off of MMS, some of the people with Hep C, who are

posting the results of their experiences with MMS online, we will start

seeing more positive outcomes with Hep C.

Re: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin

Tags

On 8/14/2008, Tracey de Morsella (tdlists@...) wrote:

> I think I did not explain myself well & . Or I hope that is what is the

> case. In the book, he tells you that you are likely to experience

> a queasy stomach, headaches, flu-like symptoms and even throwing up.

> Many people on the list have mentioned these experiences.

Maybe what you are missing is the goal is to stay just UNDER this

threshold. Meaning, you increase the dose until you experience these

symptoms, then back off a drop or two (or howver much it takes) until

you DON'T have these symptoms, then stay there for a few days to a week,

then slowly start adding drops again.

I believe Jim himself says that if you cannot take any without feeling

these symptoms, and/or cannot get past a certain point, then you should

stop taking it for a while at least, if not for good.

I guess it is possible that some people will never be able to tolerate it.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Wow. That is an interesting suggestion. It makes

sense. Did you come up with that on your own or did you come up

with it yourself? How long have you being doing ? Are you

experiencing any positive results?

Tracey

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Naomi

Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:35 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin

Tags

I

realize my approach will have limited appeal for many, but I have started doing

mms by enema. I think it is more effective, and also, bypassing the

digestion, I don't have the unpleasant effects like taste, nausea, etc. I

also figure (I could be wrong about this. Please correct me if I

am) that by bypassing the digestion I needn't worry about taking it too

close to Vit C and supplements.

Naomi

-----

Original Message -----

From: Tracey de Morsella

Sent: Thursday, August 14,

2008 12:49 PM

Subject: RE:

[ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin Tags

Thank you for your

recommendations.

I think I did not explain myself

well…. Or I hope that is what is the case. In the book,

he tells you that you are likely to experience a queasy stomach, headaches,

flu-like symptoms and even throwing up. Many people on the list have

mentioned these experiences. Around the web, people with severe chronic

illnesses taking MMS have reported similar difficulties. While we have

addressed/ are addressing some of the issues you raised below –

particularly in my case, all he experienced while taking MMS is a queasy

stomach, headaches, and the flu-like symptoms. He was unwilling to deal

with them for months because it makes it harder to work effectively

though it on the long term basis. He is not having problems on the

computer, but programming, proposal writing and making presentations is a

little harder if you have a stomach ache or headache most days on a long term

basis. Whenever, I have a cold or a stomach bug, I’m less

productive, but it normally only lasts a few days and I can get caught up with

work after If you feel like that for months, on a new job, in a lay-off

economy, that could have a negative impact. The prospect of working under those

condition for months, did not appeal to him. . So he opted

not to take it at this time.

Most people I know with chronic

illnesses like AIDs, Cancer, CFS, Hepatitis ,etc have to be aware of

severe Herx response to detoxing because of all the toxins being

released…At least that is what I read. With most of the

protocols we follow, I have been able to manage the Herx response with

charcoal,, bentonite, fiber, Spanish black radish, Vitamin C

Flushes, turkey rhubarb, Coffee Enemas, natural blood thinners and some other

measures. With MMS is was a little more difficult. For me, I

needed to wait until I was sure I had sufficiently addressed my

Helicobacter pylori issues and healed my digestive tract sufficiently.

If you think that stomach, headaches,

flu-like symptoms are still signs that he is dealing with a heavy metal

overload, radiation, chemicals, etc. You said from my statements toxicity

is a big issue for him. If that is the case, could you explain

further? I appreciate you insights and the time you are taking.

Thanks

Tracey

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of RRM

Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 11:01 AM

Subject: RE: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin

Tags

it

could be he has a lot of heavy metals,

computer

problems could come from emf.electro smog,radiation,chemicals.

bacteria/viral/mold/parasites/lyme

& coinfections.

dental

problems? h.g. fillings-rootcanals-cavations.

focal

infections?

the

oral mms should help BUT detoxing the colon/bile ducts kidneys is a must

first !!

from

your statements toxity is a big problem for him.

roger

--- On Thu, 8/14/08, Tracey de Morsella <tdlists@...>

wrote:

From:

Tracey de Morsella <tdlists@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin Tags

Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 12:14 AM

Thanks for the guidance.

My husband is chronically ill and we

have read many testimonies from chronically ill people who take or have taken

it that it makes you sick. We both have had this experience.

While he can function while on it, he often feels fluish, headachy, and has a

sense of general malaise while on it. It interferes with his

ability to do computer programming and do regular presentations at work, so

we are opting to do it later in his treatment. In the meantime, since I

still have it, I thought I could apply it topically, without interfering with

his performance.

From:

miracle_mineral_ supplement [mailto:miracle_

mineral_suppleme ntgroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Gaiacita

Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 9:29 PM

miracle_mineral_ supplement

Subject: Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Topically Applying MMS to

Skin Tags

Activate it and apply. Depending on how sensitive the skin is

he may want to wait a bit and then wash it off. But most skin tags

seemed to fall off on their own when the person took AMMS internally.

Do NOT use straight MMS from the bottle, as it can damage the skin,

unless you wash it off within 30 seconds.

Samala,

-------Original Message----- --

My husband has some skin tags that he wants to remove. I read

that you can use MMS topically, but I do not remember the protocol.

Does anyone know?

[Guest guest]

So Simon, why does the nausea withj my husband raise alarm bells withj you.

You seem very knowledgable in this area, so I would still appreciate you

insights

Tracey

Re: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin

Tags

On 8/14/2008, Naomi (naomilh@...) wrote:

> I realize my approach will have limited appeal for many, but I have

> started doing mms by enema. I think it is more effective, and also,

> bypassing the digestion, I don't have the unpleasant effects like

> taste, nausea, etc. I also figure (I could be wrong about this.

> Please correct me if I am) that by bypassing the digestion I needn't

> worry about taking it too close to Vit C and supplements.

That is incorrect. Vitamin C is metabolized very quickly. Taking it

orally WILL stop the MMS in its tracks, even taking it via rectal

implant... and I assume you are meaning implant (fluid is retained

permanently) rather than enema (fluid is retained for a few seconds or a

minute or two, then released)...

The nausea is a symptom that it is WORKING, and a measuring stick you

use to gauge your dose.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

On 8/14/2008, Tracey de Morsella (tdlists@...) wrote:

> So Simon, why does the nausea withj my husband raise alarm bells withj you.

> You seem very knowledgable in this area, so I would still appreciate you

> insights

Because he shouldn't be experiencing this all the time, every time.

You should start off slowly... then start working your way up, on or two

drops at a time, until you hit the symptoms (nausea, etc)... then back off.

It sounds like you/he missed the 'back-off' step, since you said that

'alle he experienced' were these symptoms, and was concerned about

'dealing with them for months'.

[Guest guest]

Oh. Well if you are dealing with Hep C you may want to look into oleander. It is wiping Hep C out, and has almost no side effects. If the oleander soup is not filtered enough people can feel slightly nauseous and have slight diarrhea, but normally if you make it yourself and filter it properly you don't experience that.

You can buy capsules of dried oleander soup for around $60 a month which normally has zero side effects, or you can make your own if you have access to the oleander bush. Or you can buy lab grade liquid oleander soup (made the very same way as you do at home only under lab conditions) for around $2600 for a 3 month supply.

Personally if I had something serious I would use Oleander during the day (as it is an anti-oxidizer) and MMS at night as it is an oxidizer. I think the 2 punch combo would be fantastic for any illness, but many people on the ormus list are not, um--well, they think MMS is too strong.

But as they work on separate issues--MMS kills pathogens and oleander strengthens and supports the immune system--I believe it would be a great combo. But I have nothing personal to test it on, so can't report any experience. It's just my feeling from knowing the both protocols.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

It is my hope that

during his rotation off of MMS, some of the people with Hep C, who are

posting the results of their experiences with MMS online, we will start

seeing more positive outcomes with Hep C.

[Guest guest]

Could you tell us your "recipe" for doing an enema?

-- Re: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin Tags

I realize my approach will have limited appeal for many, but I have started doing mms by enema. I think it is more effective, and also, bypassing the digestion, I don't have the unpleasant effects like taste, nausea, etc. I also figure (I could be wrong about this. Please correct me if I am) that by bypassing the digestion I needn't worry about taking it too close to Vit C and supplements.

Naomi

Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Topically Applying MMS to Skin Tags

Activate it and apply. Depending on how sensitive the skin is he may want to wait a bit and then wash it off. But most skin tags seemed to fall off on their own when the person took AMMS internally.

Do NOT use straight MMS from the bottle, as it can damage the skin, unless you wash it off within 30 seconds.

Samala,

-------Original Message----- --

My husband has some skin tags that he wants to remove. I read that you can use MMS topically, but I do not remember the protocol. Does anyone know?

[Guest guest]

I suspect he did not give it enough time. He sometimes gets impatient with

this curing process and insists on taking full doses on things I want him to

take at lower doses and inch up. When I tell him to back up and lower a

dose due to Herxing, he says, " I can take it. " So you read him correctly.

I did not push for him to stay on it because he was only three weeks on the

new job and I could not find MMS Hep C success stories online. However, I

bring it up sometimes and he does seem opposed to using it again.

..

In my case, I'm good with backing off,... Hate pain . But I have had an

ulcer and IBS. I only experience stomach issues and I backed off, but

people on the list insisted that taking MMS with an ulcer was dangerous, so

I decided to finish addressing those issues before revisiting its use.

Additionally, I am addressing heavy metal issues, so I must tread carefully

with my use of substances that remove heavy metals. I also have/had

recently Leptospirosis, CFS, fillings, reoccurring dengue fever, mold,

Candida, and possibly other parasites. I'm addressing or have addressed all

this, but as you seem to be aware, it takes time. I've made huge strides

with most of it. But I'm still dealing with the dental stuff So, while I

deal with the dental stuff, I'm also working to make sure my digestive

system is in good shape when I take it.

Thanks for the follow up. When we revisit this MMS protocol, I will have

to explain at length to my husband, the importance of backing off

Tracey

Re: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin

Tags

On 8/14/2008, Tracey de Morsella (tdlists@...) wrote:

> So Simon, why does the nausea withj my husband raise alarm bells withj

you.

> You seem very knowledgable in this area, so I would still appreciate you

> insights

Because he shouldn't be experiencing this all the time, every time.

You should start off slowly... then start working your way up, on or two

drops at a time, until you hit the symptoms (nausea, etc)... then back off.

It sounds like you/he missed the 'back-off' step, since you said that

'alle he experienced' were these symptoms, and was concerned about

'dealing with them for months'.

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I think thanks you, we are looking at Oleander. Found out about

it here. I’ve also read that it has a great response to knocking

out CFS. I love the Oleander soup list. None of the nurseries sell

it here, so I’m trying to find one online. If not, I will break

down and buy it from South Africa.. However, that approach is kind of

expensive for both of us, so I’m not yet ready to order it yet.

Have you used it

Thank you for the suggested protocol.

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Gaiacita

Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:23 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Topically Applying MMS to Skin

Tags

Oh. Well if you are dealing

with Hep C you may want to look into oleander. It is wiping Hep C out,

and has almost no side effects. If the oleander soup is not filtered

enough people can feel slightly nauseous and have slight diarrhea, but normally

if you make it yourself and filter it properly you don't experience

that.

You can buy capsules of dried

oleander soup for around $60 a month which normally has zero side effects, or

you can make your own if you have access to the oleander bush. Or you

can buy lab grade liquid oleander soup (made the very same way as you do at

home only under lab conditions) for around $2600 for a 3 month supply.

Personally if I had something

serious I would use Oleander during the day (as it is an anti-oxidizer) and

MMS at night as it is an oxidizer. I think the 2 punch combo would be

fantastic for any illness, but many people on the ormus list are not,

um--well, they think MMS is too strong.

But as they work on separate

issues--MMS kills pathogens and oleander strengthens and supports the immune

system--I believe it would be a great combo. But I have nothing

personal to test it on, so can't report any experience. It's just my

feeling from knowing the both protocols.

Samala,

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It is my hope that

during his

rotation off of MMS, some of the people with Hep C, who are

posting the

results of their experiences with MMS online, we will start

seeing more

positive outcomes with Hep C.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have made and use the soup. We don't have anything wrong with us but are using it as a preventative. If you know someone in the south where it grows they can send you branches enough to make your soup. It works as good dried as fresh when making the soup apparently. We had a big discussion on the list before with a lady that was trying to find a bush to purchase, but couldn't so I said I could send her some but that I didn't think it would be fresh enough by the time it came through the mail. Tony and Mark both said it would be ok and make perfect soup.

If you can't find a place to buy the plant, and don't have any friends in the south, let me know and I can get some branches to you. I think I will be going out next week to cut some oleander and can get you some. I don't have my own plant yet. Well, I do, but it is just a baby and too small to cut. But I have a friend who has 3 bushes and says I can get some of hers.

Samala,

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However, that approach is kind of expensive for both of us, so I’m not yet ready to order it yet. Have you used it

[Guest guest]

He could be very sensitive to it. If he wishes to try it again, just make sure he rinses it off within a minute or so. He could apply it 3 or 4 times a day, rinsing it off after each time.

Samala,

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He used activated MMS.

[Guest guest]

Oh. Well if you are dealing with Hep C you may want to look into oleander.

That is strange cause someone on the Olenader Soup group said they cured Hep C with Silver this morning. (three months drinking a quart a day...) C

[Guest guest]

There are always many paths to any destination. :-)

Samala,

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Oh. Well if you are dealing with Hep C you may want to look into oleander.

That is strange cause someone on the Olenader Soup group said they cured Hep C with Silver this morning. (three months drinking a quart a day...) C