Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Yep - my immune system did most-of-the-work, but the Lyme parts (Babesiosis & borreliosis) a b****h to get rid-of... Had the "breakouts" attempt on my jaw, was resolved... Blew funny things out-of-nose, eyes, ears, was resolved. Now floaters, blurred-vision, arthralgia, bloating, brain-fog, neuropathy (feet), TMJ popping, cracking, crunching in neck, filarial fibers, etc. resolving... Doc has me on meds for RA, hypertension, hypercholesteremia (high cholesterol), and I had to-see the head-shrink for apnea and DOP. Why? EVERYONE knows you can't possibly contract Lyme in the SW US, even-though it's an unseen epidemic, and 36% of-those tested in Mexico's general population were positive (of-course there are none here). Anyway, I asked the MD, "how-can you expect a normal blood-profile from someone who's infected with spirochetes and babesia?? They DID, however refer me to an Infectious Disease Specialist (Board Certified!) who had me tested-for malaria (negative) and HIV/AIDS (negative)... Asking-for the Lyme tests was completely fruitless although a curious entity could-be clearly-seen in blood with microscopy. Asking-for a microscopic blood exam earned me an extra-special comment (Red cell anomalies can-be caused by DREENKEENG..) Even-though I told-them 7-years-ago I didn't drink, I still "qualified" to be put into their :"box".....What fun!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 ....what medical care people are you involved with? VA? HMO? other? any option to change??? -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of LofgrenSent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:07 PM Subject: Re: vicki--[ ] Colloidal Silver Yep - my immune system did most-of-the-work, but the Lyme parts (Babesiosis & borreliosis) a b****h to get rid-of... Had the "breakouts" attempt on my jaw, was resolved... Blew funny things out-of-nose, eyes, ears, was resolved. Now floaters, blurred-vision, arthralgia, bloating, brain-fog, neuropathy (feet), TMJ popping, cracking, crunching in neck, filarial fibers, etc. resolving... Doc has me on meds for RA, hypertension, hypercholesteremia (high cholesterol), and I had to-see the head-shrink for apnea and DOP. Why? EVERYONE knows you can't possibly contract Lyme in the SW US, even-though it's an unseen epidemic, and 36% of-those tested in Mexico's general population were positive (of-course there are none here). Anyway, I asked the MD, "how-can you expect a normal blood-profile from someone who's infected with spirochetes and babesia?? They DID, however refer me to an Infectious Disease Specialist (Board Certified!) who had me tested-for malaria (negative) and HIV/AIDS (negative)... Asking-for the Lyme tests was completely fruitless although a curious entity could-be clearly-seen in blood with microscopy. Asking-for a microscopic blood exam earned me an extra-special comment (Red cell anomalies can-be caused by DREENKEENG..) Even-though I told-them 7-years-ago I didn't drink, I still "qualified" to be put into their :"box".....What fun!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 I see great results with CS under 2 mitigating circumstances - 1) External wounds, sores, burns, abrasions, etc.. 2) Food poisoning - astounding results - almost instant healing. Otherwise NO discernible internal results drinking-it by the quart, or in lesser quantities.. My CS is a nice light golden-brown when finished and filtered... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 VA in baltimore is a lot better to deal with, at least in my limited experience. they do blood work for me when i want, but i don't bother them much. that's about all i want them for at this time. they might not be so easy for hepC PCR's since money is so tight these days. they do vary lots from one area to another. that "our way or the highway" deal really sux. -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of LofgrenSent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: Re: vicki--[ ] Colloidal Silver VA El Paso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 mine is clear. if it's not clear i age it til it's done falling out and clears. if it won't clear with time, a bit of peroxide breaks down particle size and turns lots of them into ions (raises meter reading...particles don't measure at all on a meter). i only have to do that on the stuff i make really strong by way over brewing, filtering, re-brewing, filtering, until the machine won't make it any stronger (black sludge). i make the strong stuff to add a bit to the quick clear weaker stuff i mostly use, just to top up bottles a bit. use it in spray bottles too for armpits and feet, into shoes, brush it into hair, and for wetting electrodes of rife and beck devices. i'm kind of addicted to screwing around with it all... it's fascinating in a boring kind of way, but wastes a lot of silver being tossed on filter papers. the strong stuff is the most inconsistent with planets/solar flares, but once it's clear at about 6 months old, about 60+ ppm, it's dead stable for at least a year (or two i'm told). my 25-20 ppm stuff controls hep-C symptoms like magic, however drinking a qt/day for several months didn't do any better than 6-8 oz/day. eliminated gum disease and toenail fungus. and i just don't get colds or flus anymore. i am getting a stuffy nose after using my ne He zapper which might be a good sign. lately some cold keeps trying to sneak in but can't... i used to get some kind of bizarre debilitating neuralgia or something attacks, but no more than a hint of them rarely now. hope i'll never have to try it for food poisoning. i really hate food poisoning. -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of LofgrenSent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:13 PM Subject: Re: vicki--[ ] Colloidal Silver I see great results with CS under 2 mitigating circumstances - 1) External wounds, sores, burns, abrasions, etc.. 2) Food poisoning - astounding results - almost instant healing. Otherwise NO discernible internal results drinking-it by the quart, or in lesser quantities.. My CS is a nice light golden-brown when finished and filtered... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Yep - get ready to-do a lot-more "self-doctoring"... Free healthcare is worth what-you-pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 I disagree my insurance costs $600 a month. It doenst matter if it was free or expensive, doctors are worthless for chronic illnesses. Furthermore, this is the richest country in the world and for anyone to die of illness becasue they lack insurance that could have helped them, is criminal. From: Lofgren <rlofgre1@...>Subject: Re: vicki--[ ] Colloidal Silver Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:04 PM Yep - get ready to-do a lot-more "self-doctoring" ... Free healthcare is worth what-you-pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 BUT THE MEDICAL DR. JUST WANT YOUR $$$$ YOU DEAD--NOT TO CURE/FIX YOU From: Lofgren <rlofgre1elp (DOT) rr.com>Subject: Re: vicki--[miracle_ mineral_suppleme nt] Colloidal Silvermiracle_mineral_ supplementDate: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:04 PM Yep - get ready to-do a lot-more "self-doctoring" ... Free healthcare is worth what-you-pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 i dont completely understand your response. my point had to do with the comment "you get what you pay for." I said that all the $ in the world but still MD's cant help us, it has nothing to do with $. I also made the point that there are people super sick who have illnesses doctors CAN help, or injuries that CAN be helped, but they dont have insurance and that sucks that they have to suffer for no good reason. Both scanrios are wrong and suck. From: Lofgren <rlofgre1elp (DOT) rr.com>Subject: Re: vicki--[miracle_ mineral_suppleme nt] Colloidal Silvermiracle_mineral_ supplementDate: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:04 PM Yep - get ready to-do a lot-more "self-doctoring" ... Free healthcare is worth what-you-pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 In Canada we have what is called 'free' health care butit is not free. It is paid for with tax dollars and we paya lot more income tax in Canada that people do in theUS.People go to doctors here at the drop of a hat. Instead of getting some bandaids that cost $2 or so, people run off to the doctor. By the time they are finished theyhave spent $100 of taxpayers money for a minor injurythey could have taken care of themselves for less than $2.When I twisted my knee a bit a few months ago, the firstthing people say is, "Did you go see a doctor?" I say, "No."They say, "Oh, you better go see a doctor." I ask them,"What for? What can they do?" They cannot answer me."Do you know of one person who has gotten more help than a prescription for pain pills", I ask. "I can go buymy own pain pills ...but then I don't have to because I have natural products that take away the pain and help the knee to heel itself."The one good thing about government run health careis that it seems to be a lot cheaper in costs than privatehealth care such as that in the US. I find that surprising. I had my first gall-bladder attack while in the US. I sent for an ambulance as I wasn't sure what was wrong with me. I was in the hospital in emergency for maybe 2 hours. They sent me a bill for $1,300. Luckily I had travel insurance. This insurance covered everything not covered by my gov't health insurance. The government determined thattheir costs would have been in the neighborhood of $150so my travel insurance paid the difference. The point is$150 costs in Canada is a lot less than the $1300 chargedby the health service in the US. Even if the Canadianprice had been 3 times $150, it still is a lot cheaper. Thisis because the government puts a lid on how much it willpay. I cannot help but feel from this example that thehealth system and health insurance companies in the US are gouging the Americans from every angle. $600 a month for health insurance is ludicrous. On the other hand, maybe it is a blessing for most if itmakes people look for ways to take care of themselves withnatural means. The scary part is what if you are in a major accident or something for which you might need the health care system.In spite of how good our health system is, there is stillproblems such as long waits for surgeries, etc., so muchso that some people are being sent to the US for care.Go figure.Helen From: Vicki <genuinelysweet2002@...> Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:10:52 PMSubject: Re: vicki--[ ] Colloidal Silver I disagree my insurance costs $600 a month. It doenst matter if it was free or expensive, doctors are worthless for chronic illnesses. Furthermore, this is the richest country in the world and for anyone to die of illness becasue they lack insurance that could have helped them, is criminal. From: Lofgren <rlofgre1elp (DOT) rr.com>Subject: Re: vicki--[miracle_ mineral_suppleme nt] Colloidal Silvermiracle_mineral_ supplementDate: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:04 PM Yep - get ready to-do a lot-more "self-doctoring" ... Free healthcare is worth what-you-pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 On 11/5/2008, Vicki (genuinelysweet2002@...) wrote: >> Free healthcare is worth what-you-pay. > I disagree my insurance costs $600 a month. Thats not 'free', so makes no sense... And I cannot even fathom *imagining* paying so much for something that is essentially worthless to someone who practices natural hygiene. The only kind of health insurance I have ever considered buying is 'catastrophic', that would pay for costs were I ever to be crippled in some kind of accident. > It doenst matter if it was free or expensive, doctors are worthless > for chronic illnesses. Yep... so why are you paying $600/mo for insurance? > Furthermore, this is the richest country in the world and for anyone > to die of illness becasue they lack insurance that could have helped > them, is criminal. No it isn't, it is natural law in action. Insurance is not a 'right', any more than access to a doctor is a 'right'. No one has the right to anyone else's life (ones property, including money, is just an extension of their life, since they had to exchange a portion of their life to get it) - not even a little tiny bit of it. What that means is, you have ZERO right to force me - or anyone else - to pay for your insurance, your food, your clothes, or to provide services - healthcare or other - to you for free. Anyone who lives their life in such a manner that they cannot afford 'insurance' or to pay-as-they-go for their choice of health care services has only themselves to blame - and that includes tha aged (they should have thought ahead). Cold hearted? Maybe - but so is the law of gravity when you jump off a cliff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Hi Vicki, I’m Canadian, too, and I’m wondering if the ‘gov’t’ determined their costs ($150) lower than usual in order to get your insurance to pay the rest...I wouldn’t put it past them, and I’m not usually a gov’t basher. That said, the way things are done in the US do prevent people from running to the doctor for every little thing. My doctor came here from the States, and she says that Canadians look at their doctors as if they were God. Americans come to their doctor armed with paperwork/info from the internet etc. Doctors are much more ‘challenged’ by their patients there. When things are ‘free’, or feel ‘free’, then you don’t look into comparison shopping like you do when you have to pay for it. This is true regardless of the commodity: health or clothing, whatever. There’s no way an emerg visit including a ride via ambulance cost $150. I know when I used to have panic attacks and didn’t know what they were, I called the ambulance several times in one month, thinking I was dying, and they charged me a subsidized cost of $45 per ride...reg cost, $90. A doctor seeing you plus ordering a test...I don’t see it...hope I didn’t burst your bubble. : ( But as you said, it still wouldn’t have cost as much as in the States where there is no cap on costs. And yes, the US health system is into price gouging...no argument there! But they run it as a business. Hospitals are privately/corporately owned. Someone has to make money or they won’t invest in it. Here they are just supposed to cover their expenses and not run a deficit. They have no one asking about their dividends for the quarter. Which is better? Neither and both. They both have their good sides, and until we *evolve* (sarcasm) into *higher beings* who don’t take advantage of every little thing, we will never find the Utopia of the perfect blend between the 2—you can’t legislate honesty and integrity balance with free enterprise. I’ll ‘settle’ for being ‘changed in the twinkling of an eye’, --and I don’t mean menopause! (laughing) Have a wonderful day, fellow Canadian! Esther N. MBE, RHA, CBS, CNHP Holistic Allergist, Pain Specialist OPEN WINDOWS 2 WELLNESS www.openw2w.com 519.754.8759 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of helen/zhebee Sent: November 6, 2008 4:59 AM Subject: Re: vicki--[ ] Colloidal Silver In Canada we have what is called 'free' health care but it is not free. It is paid for with tax dollars and we pay a lot more income tax in Canada that people do in the US. People go to doctors here at the drop of a hat. Instead of getting some bandaids that cost $2 or so, people run off to the doctor. By the time they are finished they have spent $100 of taxpayers money for a minor injury they could have taken care of themselves for less than $2. When I twisted my knee a bit a few months ago, the first thing people say is, " Did you go see a doctor? " I say, " No. " They say, " Oh, you better go see a doctor. " I ask them, " What for? What can they do? " They cannot answer me. " Do you know of one person who has gotten more help than a prescription for pain pills " , I ask. " I can go buy my own pain pills ...but then I don't have to because I have natural products that take away the pain and help the knee to heel itself. " The one good thing about government run health care is that it seems to be a lot cheaper in costs than private health care such as that in the US. I find that surprising. I had my first gall-bladder attack while in the US. I sent for an ambulance as I wasn't sure what was wrong with me. I was in the hospital in emergency for maybe 2 hours. They sent me a bill for $1,300. Luckily I had travel insurance. This insurance covered everything not covered by my gov't health insurance. The government determined that their costs would have been in the neighborhood of $150 so my travel insurance paid the difference. The point is $150 costs in Canada is a lot less than the $1300 charged by the health service in the US. Even if the Canadian price had been 3 times $150, it still is a lot cheaper. This is because the government puts a lid on how much it will pay. I cannot help but feel from this example that the health system and health insurance companies in the US are gouging the Americans from every angle. $600 a month for health insurance is ludicrous. On the other hand, maybe it is a blessing for most if it makes people look for ways to take care of themselves with natural means. The scary part is what if you are in a major accident or something for which you might need the health care system. In spite of how good our health system is, there is still problems such as long waits for surgeries, etc., so much so that some people are being sent to the US for care. Go figure. Helen From: Vicki <genuinelysweet2002@...> Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:10:52 PM Subject: Re: vicki--[ ] Colloidal Silver I disagree my insurance costs $600 a month. It doenst matter if it was free or expensive, doctors are worthless for chronic illnesses. Furthermore, this is the richest country in the world and for anyone to die of illness becasue they lack insurance that could have helped them, is criminal. From: Lofgren <rlofgre1elp (DOT) rr.com> Subject: Re: vicki--[miracle_ mineral_suppleme nt] Colloidal Silver miracle_mineral_ supplement Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:04 PM Yep - get ready to-do a lot-more " self-doctoring " ... Free healthcare is worth what-you-pay. No virus found in this incoming message. 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Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Hello EstherIt was I, Helen, who wrote about Canadian healthcare, not Vicki. I believe Vicki lives in the US andhas to pay $600 per month for health insurance ifshe wants it. I don't see how anyone can afford that on most people's wages.The costs I mentioned did seem low but it was theonly costs I saw. Even at 3 times that, our healthcare works out to be cheaper.I know what you are saying about health care andhospitals being publicly and privately owned in theUS but it is no secret that they often over bill ...if we can believe 60 Minutes and such TV shows.You didn't read my comments very carefully or youwould not be presuming so much. For one thing the doctor did not order a test. The attack was over before I left the hospital and we determinedbetween us that I probably had a gallbladder attackand not a heart attack as I first thought. He advisedme to see my doctor when I got home.People hope doctors and using of the health system willsave their lives ..if they only knew. I think people should do what they can for their health to live afull life but there comes a time when it is time to letgo knowing one has to die sometime. Their biggestconcern should be ...are they ready to meet the Lord.If not, such a choice, if desired, should take priority over anything else ....in my opinion.We are getting into the politics of health care and evenspiritual 'health' and I don't think that is the criteria forthis forum so I will comment no further ...except to sayanyone who wishes to pursue a talk about spiritual things can email to me privately, if they wish.Helen From: Esther <eeinc@...> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 5:31:49 AMSubject: RE: vicki--[ ] Colloidal Silver Hi Vicki, I’m Canadian, too, and I’m wondering if the ‘gov’t’ determined their costs ($150) lower than usual in order to get your insurance to pay the rest...I wouldn’t put it past them, and I’m not usually a gov’t basher. That said, the way things are done in the US do prevent people from running to the doctor for every little thing. My doctor came here from the States, and she says that Canadians look at their doctors as if they were God. Americans come to their doctor armed with paperwork/info from the internet etc. Doctors are much more ‘challenged’ by their patients there. When things are ‘free’, or feel ‘free’, then you don’t look into comparison shopping like you do when you have to pay for it. This is true regardless of the commodity: health or clothing, whatever. There’s no way an emerg visit including a ride via ambulance cost $150. I know when I used to have panic attacks and didn’t know what they were, I called the ambulance several times in one month, thinking I was dying, and they charged me a subsidized cost of $45 per ride...reg cost, $90. A doctor seeing you plus ordering a test...I don’t see it...hope I didn’t burst your bubble. : ( But as you said, it still wouldn’t have cost as much as in the States where there is no cap on costs. And yes, the US health system is into price gouging...no argument there! But they run it as a business. Hospitals are privately/corporate ly owned. Someone has to make money or they won’t invest in it. Here they are just supposed to cover their expenses and not run a deficit. They have no one asking about their dividends for the quarter. Which is better? Neither and both. They both have their good sides, and until we *evolve* (sarcasm) into *higher beings* who don’t take advantage of every little thing, we will never find the Utopia of the perfect blend between the 2—you can’t legislate honesty and integrity balance with free enterprise. I’ll ‘settle’ for being ‘changed in the twinkling of an eye’, --and I don’t mean menopause! (laughing) Have a wonderful day, fellow Canadian! Esther N. MBE, RHA, CBS, CNHP Holistic Allergist, Pain Specialist OPEN WINDOWS 2 WELLNESS www.openw2w. com 519.754.8759 From: miracle_mineral_ supplement [mailto:miracle_ mineral_suppleme ntgroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of helen/zhebee Sent: November 6, 2008 4:59 AM miracle_mineral_ supplement Subject: Re: vicki--[miracle_ mineral_suppleme nt] Colloidal Silver In Canada we have what is called 'free' health care but it is not free. It is paid for with tax dollars and we pay a lot more income tax in Canada that people do in the US. People go to doctors here at the drop of a hat. Instead of getting some bandaids that cost $2 or so, people run off to the doctor. By the time they are finished they have spent $100 of taxpayers money for a minor injury they could have taken care of themselves for less than $2. When I twisted my knee a bit a few months ago, the first thing people say is, "Did you go see a doctor?" I say, "No." They say, "Oh, you better go see a doctor." I ask them, "What for? What can they do?" They cannot answer me. "Do you know of one person who has gotten more help than a prescription for pain pills", I ask. "I can go buy my own pain pills ...but then I don't have to because I have natural products that take away the pain and help the knee to heel itself." The one good thing about government run health care is that it seems to be a lot cheaper in costs than private health care such as that in the US. I find that surprising. I had my first gall-bladder attack while in the US. I sent for an ambulance as I wasn't sure what was wrong with me. I was in the hospital in emergency for maybe 2 hours. They sent me a bill for $1,300. Luckily I had travel insurance. This insurance covered everything not covered by my gov't health insurance. The government determined that their costs would have been in the neighborhood of $150 so my travel insurance paid the difference. The point is $150 costs in Canada is a lot less than the $1300 charged by the health service in the US. Even if the Canadian price had been 3 times $150, it still is a lot cheaper. This is because the government puts a lid on how much it will pay. I cannot help but feel from this example that the health system and health insurance companies in the US are gouging the Americans from every angle. $600 a month for health insurance is ludicrous. On the other hand, maybe it is a blessing for most if it makes people look for ways to take care of themselves with natural means. The scary part is what if you are in a major accident or something for which you might need the health care system. In spite of how good our health system is, there is still problems such as long waits for surgeries, etc., so much so that some people are being sent to the US for care. Go figure. Helen From: Vicki <genuinelysweet2002> miracle_mineral_ supplement Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:10:52 PM Subject: Re: vicki--[miracle_ mineral_suppleme nt] Colloidal Silver I disagree my insurance costs $600 a month. It doenst matter if it was free or expensive, doctors are worthless for chronic illnesses. Furthermore, this is the richest country in the world and for anyone to die of illness becasue they lack insurance that could have helped them, is criminal. From: Lofgren <rlofgre1elp (DOT) rr.com> Subject: Re: vicki--[miracle_ mineral_suppleme nt] Colloidal Silver miracle_mineral_ supplement Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:04 PM Yep - get ready to-do a lot-more "self-doctoring" ... Free healthcare is worth what-you-pay. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 06/11/2008 7:58 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Hi Helen, you’re right...I just looked at the subject line of re Vicki, and made that assumption...another reason why we do need to change the subject line rather than just hit reply. Since gall bladder was mentioned, I assumed testing was necessary since they don’t like to say anything without corroborating evidence. Smiles, Esther N. MBE, RHA, CBS, CNHP Holistic Allergist, Pain Specialist OPEN WINDOWS 2 WELLNESS www.openw2w.com 519.754.8759 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of helen/zhebee Sent: November 6, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Re: vicki--[ ] Colloidal Silver Hello Esther It was I, Helen, who wrote about Canadian health care, not Vicki. I believe Vicki lives in the US and has to pay $600 per month for health insurance if she wants it. I don't see how anyone can afford that on most people's wages. The costs I mentioned did seem low but it was the only costs I saw. Even at 3 times that, our health care works out to be cheaper. I know what you are saying about health care and hospitals being publicly and privately owned in the US but it is no secret that they often over bill ...if we can believe 60 Minutes and such TV shows. You didn't read my comments very carefully or you would not be presuming so much. For one thing the doctor did not order a test. The attack was over before I left the hospital and we determined between us that I probably had a gallbladder attack and not a heart attack as I first thought. He advised me to see my doctor when I got home. People hope doctors and using of the health system will save their lives ..if they only knew. I think people should do what they can for their health to live a full life but there comes a time when it is time to let go knowing one has to die sometime. Their biggest concern should be ...are they ready to meet the Lord. If not, such a choice, if desired, should take priority over anything else ....in my opinion. We are getting into the politics of health care and even spiritual 'health' and I don't think that is the criteria for this forum so I will comment no further ...except to say anyone who wishes to pursue a talk about spiritual things can email to me privately, if they wish. Helen From: Esther <eeinc@...> Sent: Thursday, November 6, 2008 5:31:49 AM Subject: RE: vicki--[ ] Colloidal Silver Hi Vicki, I’m Canadian, too, and I’m wondering if the ‘gov’t’ determined their costs ($150) lower than usual in order to get your insurance to pay the rest...I wouldn’t put it past them, and I’m not usually a gov’t basher. That said, the way things are done in the US do prevent people from running to the doctor for every little thing. My doctor came here from the States, and she says that Canadians look at their doctors as if they were God. Americans come to their doctor armed with paperwork/info from the internet etc. Doctors are much more ‘challenged’ by their patients there. When things are ‘free’, or feel ‘free’, then you don’t look into comparison shopping like you do when you have to pay for it. This is true regardless of the commodity: health or clothing, whatever. There’s no way an emerg visit including a ride via ambulance cost $150. I know when I used to have panic attacks and didn’t know what they were, I called the ambulance several times in one month, thinking I was dying, and they charged me a subsidized cost of $45 per ride...reg cost, $90. A doctor seeing you plus ordering a test...I don’t see it...hope I didn’t burst your bubble. : ( But as you said, it still wouldn’t have cost as much as in the States where there is no cap on costs. And yes, the US health system is into price gouging...no argument there! But they run it as a business. Hospitals are privately/corporate ly owned. Someone has to make money or they won’t invest in it. Here they are just supposed to cover their expenses and not run a deficit. They have no one asking about their dividends for the quarter. Which is better? Neither and both. They both have their good sides, and until we *evolve* (sarcasm) into *higher beings* who don’t take advantage of every little thing, we will never find the Utopia of the perfect blend between the 2—you can’t legislate honesty and integrity balance with free enterprise. I’ll ‘settle’ for being ‘changed in the twinkling of an eye’, --and I don’t mean menopause! (laughing) Have a wonderful day, fellow Canadian! Esther N. MBE, RHA, CBS, CNHP Holistic Allergist, Pain Specialist OPEN WINDOWS 2 WELLNESS www.openw2w. com 519.754.8759 From: miracle_mineral_ supplement@ groups. com [mailto:miracle_ mineral_suppleme ntgroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of helen/zhebee Sent: November 6, 2008 4:59 AM miracle_mineral_ supplement Subject: Re: vicki--[miracle_ mineral_suppleme nt] Colloidal Silver In Canada we have what is called 'free' health care but it is not free. It is paid for with tax dollars and we pay a lot more income tax in Canada that people do in the US. People go to doctors here at the drop of a hat. Instead of getting some bandaids that cost $2 or so, people run off to the doctor. By the time they are finished they have spent $100 of taxpayers money for a minor injury they could have taken care of themselves for less than $2. When I twisted my knee a bit a few months ago, the first thing people say is, " Did you go see a doctor? " I say, " No. " They say, " Oh, you better go see a doctor. " I ask them, " What for? What can they do? " They cannot answer me. " Do you know of one person who has gotten more help than a prescription for pain pills " , I ask. " I can go buy my own pain pills ...but then I don't have to because I have natural products that take away the pain and help the knee to heel itself. " The one good thing about government run health care is that it seems to be a lot cheaper in costs than private health care such as that in the US. I find that surprising. I had my first gall-bladder attack while in the US. I sent for an ambulance as I wasn't sure what was wrong with me. I was in the hospital in emergency for maybe 2 hours. They sent me a bill for $1,300. Luckily I had travel insurance. This insurance covered everything not covered by my gov't health insurance. The government determined that their costs would have been in the neighborhood of $150 so my travel insurance paid the difference. The point is $150 costs in Canada is a lot less than the $1300 charged by the health service in the US. Even if the Canadian price had been 3 times $150, it still is a lot cheaper. This is because the government puts a lid on how much it will pay. I cannot help but feel from this example that the health system and health insurance companies in the US are gouging the Americans from every angle. $600 a month for health insurance is ludicrous. On the other hand, maybe it is a blessing for most if it makes people look for ways to take care of themselves with natural means. The scary part is what if you are in a major accident or something for which you might need the health care system. In spite of how good our health system is, there is still problems such as long waits for surgeries, etc., so much so that some people are being sent to the US for care. Go figure. Helen From: Vicki <genuinelysweet2002> miracle_mineral_ supplement Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2008 7:10:52 PM Subject: Re: vicki--[miracle_ mineral_suppleme nt] Colloidal Silver I disagree my insurance costs $600 a month. It doenst matter if it was free or expensive, doctors are worthless for chronic illnesses. Furthermore, this is the richest country in the world and for anyone to die of illness becasue they lack insurance that could have helped them, is criminal. From: Lofgren <rlofgre1elp (DOT) rr.com> Subject: Re: vicki--[miracle_ mineral_suppleme nt] Colloidal Silver miracle_mineral_ supplement Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 6:04 PM Yep - get ready to-do a lot-more " self-doctoring " ... Free healthcare is worth what-you-pay. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg. com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 06/11/2008 7:58 AM No virus found in this incoming message. 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Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 best if clear you might need more PPM to get your bugs From: Lofgren <rlofgre1@...>Subject: Re: vicki--[ ] Colloidal Silver Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:12 PM I see great results with CS under 2 mitigating circumstances - 1) External wounds, sores, burns, abrasions, etc.. 2) Food poisoning - astounding results - almost instant healing. Otherwise NO discernible internal results drinking-it by the quart, or in lesser quantities.. My CS is a nice light golden-brown when finished and filtered... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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