Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 SOrry if I asked this already I cannot recall. But traditional doctors tell you that whatever parasite, bacteria, or virus caused your auto immune illness, is long gone out of your system so there is no sense trying to get rid of it. They claim your auto immune system is damaged for life because of them. So this makes me wonder if its true, then wouldnt things like MMS only work for people without chronic auto immune illnesses? But then you hear about people getting better, not with my illness, but other illnesses they have had for years. I dont want to believe what they say because then I have no hope. But if hyopethically it was even true, then one would think that focus would be on stimulating the immune system rather than removing bacteria/viruses/parasites that supposedly are no longer in your system. Why cant the immune system after a parasite/viral/bacterial attack correct itself on its own or be corrected with whatever immune stimulants one is taking? Does the immune system have no memory? You get a cut, your body knows how to fix itself. Why is the immune system so dumb? It seems so sophisticated, but not if you are predisposed to a weak immune system thats affected by stress, like me. If I hadn't had a super stressful expereince like I did, the most stressful of my life, I wouldnt have gotten sick shortly thereafter. My body is crap to not be able to have dealt with it in such a way to cause this poor quality of life I have now. Its all so confusing. You have traditional medicine saying your body is attacking its healthy tissue so heres an immunosuppresant to stop that. But it didnt work. Then you have alternative medicine say no your immune system wouldnt be attacking itself if it was strong so you need to stimulate it. I tried such supplements for exteneded periods of time and this failed also. What I NEED is an immune system that knows when to work and how, one that regognizes when to attack bad foreign things and to leave what is well enough alone. Because when I take immunosuppresants, not only does it not help but it always causes me to get a cold or whatever is going around, so it makes my immune system stop working which makes no sense, even if it is stopping attack on healthy tissues, which I cant tell as my symptoms are the same. So now I worry about permanent damage from these "attacks" and wonder if its possible to improve at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 It is possible to rebuild your immune system by using immune supporting supplements like astragalas, beta glucan, transfer factor. A homeopath that has been treating my kids recommended Nutriferron from Shaklee very highly for immune support. You need to stay away from supplements that stimulate your immune system like echinacea. I really would not listen to regular doctors. They are only trained to prescribe drugs and cut. -- Re: [ ] Is this theory wrong? SOrry if I asked this already I cannot recall. But traditional doctors tell you that whatever parasite, bacteria, or virus caused your auto immune illness, is long gone out of your system so there is no sense trying to get rid of it. They claim your auto immune system is damaged for life because of them. So this makes me wonder if its true, then wouldnt things like MMS only work for people without chronic auto immune illnesses? But then you hear about people getting better, not with my illness, but other illnesses they have had for years. I dont want to believe what they say because then I have no hope. But if hyopethically it was even true, then one would think that focus would be on stimulating the immune system rather than removing bacteria/viruses/parasites that supposedly are no longer in your system. Why cant the immune system after a parasite/viral/bacterial attack correct itself on its own or be corrected with whatever immune stimulants one is taking? Does the immune system have no memory? You get a cut, your body knows how to fix itself. Why is the immune system so dumb? It seems so sophisticated, but not if you are predisposed to a weak immune system thats affected by stress, like me. If I hadn't had a super stressful expereince like I did, the most stressful of my life, I wouldnt have gotten sick shortly thereafter. My body is crap to not be able to have dealt with it in such a way to cause this poor quality of life I have now. Its all so confusing. You have traditional medicine saying your body is attacking its healthy tissue so heres an immunosuppresant to stop that. But it didnt work. Then you have alternative medicine say no your immune system wouldnt be attacking itself if it was strong so you need to stimulate it. I tried such supplements for exteneded periods of time and this failed also. What I NEED is an immune system that knows when to work and how, one that regognizes when to attack bad foreign things and to leave what is well enough alone. Because when I take immunosuppresants, not only does it not help but it always causes me to get a cold or whatever is going around, so it makes my immune system stop working which makes no sense, even if it is stopping attack on healthy tissues, which I cant tell as my symptoms are the same. So now I worry about permanent damage from these "attacks" and wonder if its possible to improve at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 You can use any stimulating herb as a nourishing herb if you just modulate the protocol. Cut the dose in half, and take a break off of it 1 week in 4 to 6 weeks. Every herb has a toxicity factor, unless it’s a “pot” herb, which are the vegetables we eat. And then, even carrots can be a causative factor in non-alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver if you drink too much carrot juice. Toxicity factors can be modulated by how much/how often you take the herb. This is where a practitioner comes in handy...it’s their job to figure out if your immune system is sluggish or hyperactive. Then they modulate the herbal protocol to match. If your naturopath told you something, he must have a reason why...naturopathic doctors work just like medical doctors...they usually use chemistry-type testing procedures to ‘find out’ what’s going on. The difference is that they use herbs/natural substances to encourage the body towards health, as opposed to drugs/denatured substances that are harsh and have side affects. I don’t believe that any ‘needs’ to stay away from Echinacea. You just need to do your homework and know that you don’t stay on anything all the time. Herbs send ‘work signals’ to the organs they have an affinity for. Clean this, do that. Everybody needs a rest from their boss once in a while! (Smile) Esther N. MBE, RHA, CBS, CNHP Holistic Allergist, Pain Specialist OPEN WINDOWS 2 WELLNESS www.openw2w.com 519.754.8759 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of susan Sent: November 1, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Is this theory wrong? It is possible to rebuild your immune system by using immune supporting supplements like astragalas, beta glucan, transfer factor. A homeopath that has been treating my kids recommended Nutriferron from Shaklee very highly for immune support. You need to stay away from supplements that stimulate your immune system like echinacea. I really would not listen to regular doctors. They are only trained to prescribe drugs and cut. -- Re: [ ] Is this theory wrong? SOrry if I asked this already I cannot recall. But traditional doctors tell you that whatever parasite, bacteria, or virus caused your auto immune illness, is long gone out of your system so there is no sense trying to get rid of it. They claim your auto immune system is damaged for life because of them. So this makes me wonder if its true, then wouldnt things like MMS only work for people without chronic auto immune illnesses? But then you hear about people getting better, not with my illness, but other illnesses they have had for years. I dont want to believe what they say because then I have no hope. But if hyopethically it was even true, then one would think that focus would be on stimulating the immune system rather than removing bacteria/viruses/parasites that supposedly are no longer in your system. Why cant the immune system after a parasite/viral/bacterial attack correct itself on its own or be corrected with whatever immune stimulants one is taking? Does the immune system have no memory? You get a cut, your body knows how to fix itself. Why is the immune system so dumb? It seems so sophisticated, but not if you are predisposed to a weak immune system thats affected by stress, like me. If I hadn't had a super stressful expereince like I did, the most stressful of my life, I wouldnt have gotten sick shortly thereafter. My body is crap to not be able to have dealt with it in such a way to cause this poor quality of life I have now. Its all so confusing. You have traditional medicine saying your body is attacking its healthy tissue so heres an immunosuppresant to stop that. But it didnt work. Then you have alternative medicine say no your immune system wouldnt be attacking itself if it was strong so you need to stimulate it. I tried such supplements for exteneded periods of time and this failed also. What I NEED is an immune system that knows when to work and how, one that regognizes when to attack bad foreign things and to leave what is well enough alone. Because when I take immunosuppresants, not only does it not help but it always causes me to get a cold or whatever is going around, so it makes my immune system stop working which makes no sense, even if it is stopping attack on healthy tissues, which I cant tell as my symptoms are the same. So now I worry about permanent damage from these " attacks " and wonder if its possible to improve at all. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 01/11/2008 9:36 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 I don’t think I agree with what the doctors are telling you. If they say it’s gone, then it’s off their measuring screens, so to speak. That means it has gone deeper into the system where they haven’t the science to find it. Mho, Esther N. MBE, RHA, CBS, CNHP Holistic Allergist, Pain Specialist OPEN WINDOWS 2 WELLNESS www.openw2w.com 519.754.8759 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Vicki Sent: November 1, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Is this theory wrong? SOrry if I asked this already I cannot recall. But traditional doctors tell you that whatever parasite, bacteria, or virus caused your auto immune illness, is long gone out of your system so there is no sense trying to get rid of it. They claim your auto immune system is damaged for life because of them. So this makes me wonder if its true, then wouldnt things like MMS only work for people without chronic auto immune illnesses? But then you hear about people getting better, not with my illness, but other illnesses they have had for years. I dont want to believe what they say because then I have no hope. But if hyopethically it was even true, then one would think that focus would be on stimulating the immune system rather than removing bacteria/viruses/parasites that supposedly are no longer in your system. Why cant the immune system after a parasite/viral/bacterial attack correct itself on its own or be corrected with whatever immune stimulants one is taking? Does the immune system have no memory? You get a cut, your body knows how to fix itself. Why is the immune system so dumb? It seems so sophisticated, but not if you are predisposed to a weak immune system thats affected by stress, like me. If I hadn't had a super stressful expereince like I did, the most stressful of my life, I wouldnt have gotten sick shortly thereafter. My body is crap to not be able to have dealt with it in such a way to cause this poor quality of life I have now. Its all so confusing. You have traditional medicine saying your body is attacking its healthy tissue so heres an immunosuppresant to stop that. But it didnt work. Then you have alternative medicine say no your immune system wouldnt be attacking itself if it was strong so you need to stimulate it. I tried such supplements for exteneded periods of time and this failed also. What I NEED is an immune system that knows when to work and how, one that regognizes when to attack bad foreign things and to leave what is well enough alone. Because when I take immunosuppresants, not only does it not help but it always causes me to get a cold or whatever is going around, so it makes my immune system stop working which makes no sense, even if it is stopping attack on healthy tissues, which I cant tell as my symptoms are the same. So now I worry about permanent damage from these " attacks " and wonder if its possible to improve at all. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 01/11/2008 9:36 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 I think there is some truth in that - once they immun esystem is over activated an dcan be difficult to shut off even after MOST of teh infections are gone - BUT one shoudl feel better after treatmnet....and symptoms shoudl diminish IF you can properly DETOX...I dont agree that there is no infection to deal with - that to me is bunk.......thats what they todl me too but guess what I got a lot better.....now Im left with DETOX probelms.... There comes a point where you have to just do what makes teh best sense to you given all the info. For som eit is a life of phramceuticals an dthey are okay with that - that was not okay with me and I am better for it. ) On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Esther <eeinc@...> wrote: I don't think I agree with what the doctors are telling you. If they say it's gone, then it's off their measuring screens, so to speak. That means it has gone deeper into the system where they haven't the science to find it. Mho, Esther N. MBE, RHA, CBS, CNHP Holistic Allergist, Pain Specialist OPEN WINDOWS 2 WELLNESS www.openw2w.com 519.754.8759 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Vicki Sent: November 1, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Is this theory wrong? SOrry if I asked this already I cannot recall. But traditional doctors tell you that whatever parasite, bacteria, or virus caused your auto immune illness, is long gone out of your system so there is no sense trying to get rid of it. They claim your auto immune system is damaged for life because of them. So this makes me wonder if its true, then wouldnt things like MMS only work for people without chronic auto immune illnesses? But then you hear about people getting better, not with my illness, but other illnesses they have had for years. I dont want to believe what they say because then I have no hope. But if hyopethically it was even true, then one would think that focus would be on stimulating the immune system rather than removing bacteria/viruses/parasites that supposedly are no longer in your system. Why cant the immune system after a parasite/viral/bacterial attack correct itself on its own or be corrected with whatever immune stimulants one is taking? Does the immune system have no memory? You get a cut, your body knows how to fix itself. Why is the immune system so dumb? It seems so sophisticated, but not if you are predisposed to a weak immune system thats affected by stress, like me. If I hadn't had a super stressful expereince like I did, the most stressful of my life, I wouldnt have gotten sick shortly thereafter. My body is crap to not be able to have dealt with it in such a way to cause this poor quality of life I have now. Its all so confusing. You have traditional medicine saying your body is attacking its healthy tissue so heres an immunosuppresant to stop that. But it didnt work. Then you have alternative medicine say no your immune system wouldnt be attacking itself if it was strong so you need to stimulate it. I tried such supplements for exteneded periods of time and this failed also. What I NEED is an immune system that knows when to work and how, one that regognizes when to attack bad foreign things and to leave what is well enough alone. Because when I take immunosuppresants, not only does it not help but it always causes me to get a cold or whatever is going around, so it makes my immune system stop working which makes no sense, even if it is stopping attack on healthy tissues, which I cant tell as my symptoms are the same. So now I worry about permanent damage from these " attacks " and wonder if its possible to improve at all. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comVersion: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 01/11/2008 9:36 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 ....i know a woman from a hep-c list that had autoimmune hepatitis. i believe she was from utah, but ended up seeking the aid of docs in california... the cutting-edge big guns so to speak. they couldn't help her. autoimmune hep is pretty uncommon. she ended up going to mexico to the " dr. " donsbach hospital santa monica (or whatever it's called. now donsbach has a shady history if researched, but he just might be a pretty good & smart guy trying to function as a square peg in the round hole of big med/gov't... more the victim of establishment persecution than anything.... at any rate, he does or did radio shows in CA and his clinic was forced to go below the border to operate. donsbach was successful in eliminating her autoimmune hep with enzymes and colloidal silver. she has stayed on on the CS for a good while after returning, and might still use it (i've lost touch with her). i pointed her to a retired pharmacist that sells CS he makes in volume just the same as the stuff most folks make at home. he sells it really cheap...most of the cost is shipping. so maybe that's a ray of hope for the beyond limits of big med understanding, and an indication of the potential of ionic/particulate CS in normalizing a wacky immune system. it's certainly a good indication that repairs and regeneration of the immune system are not only possible but obtainable. i don't know what enzymes were involved, but i suspect the ionic CS interaction with DNA programming has more to do with it. CS doesn't just stimulate the immune system... it works with DNA in mysterious ways. it no doubt helped significantly that this woman has family support and is very religious. it pleased me greatly to be able to help her in meeting her needs in a small way, but i couldn't get into the subsequent offers for bible study. Re: [ ] Is this theory wrong? It is possible to rebuild your immune system by using immune supporting supplements like astragalas, beta glucan, transfer factor. A homeopath that has been treating my kids recommended Nutriferron from Shaklee very highly for immune support. You need to stay away from supplements that stimulate your immune system like echinacea. I really would not listen to regular doctors. They are only trained to prescribe drugs and cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 It makes sense to-entertain the concept of mycoplasm infection in so-called "auto-immune" diseases. The infection is without definable borders. The body "sees" it and tries to deal-with-it, but looking-at this scenario under a conventional microscope only-shows an immune response "gone wacko".... We can expect an immune-response on an infected-cell that appears "normal". Thus this modern epidemic of auto-immunity. We didn't have these diseases before mycoplasm infections were common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 ....yeah, that's what i've been thinking about sjogrens - mycoplasma possibility. and i suspect CSilver might be effective against them. the alternative, when there is one, is lots of antibiotics. CS has a history of working for autoimmune problems sometimes, sometimes not. certainly worth a try... and with that i must get to work packaging up more for ma. -----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of LofgrenSent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Is this theory wrong? It makes sense to-entertain the concept of mycoplasm infection in so-called "auto-immune" diseases. The infection is without definable borders. The body "sees" it and tries to deal-with-it, but looking-at this scenario under a conventional microscope only-shows an immune response "gone wacko".... We can expect an immune-response on an infected-cell that appears "normal". Thus this modern epidemic of auto-immunity. We didn't have these diseases before mycoplasm infections were common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 I agree with Lofgren that in all likelihood, many so called " auto-immune " syndromes are probably mycoplasm infections or some thing very similar. Bob, you should consider another premise to the use of Colloidal Silver and enzymes rather than " normalizing a wacky immune system " . If an auto-immune syndrome is an infection, particularly a bio-film then CS and enzymes could be a very important protocol to combat it! Biofilms are colonies of bacteria and possibly other microorganism types that have found that living together, protected by a self-secreted polymeric matrix can evade normal immune responses and foster a viable community on a living or non living surface. Dental plaque is probably our best known and studied biofilm, but it is becoming increasingly appreciated that biofilms can be found anywhere in the body. Biofilms are microorganisms characteristically encased by slimy, gluey films that help these pathogenic microorganisms adhere to moist tissue and evade immune cells and commonly administered antibiotics. Biofilms cannot easily be cultured or detected, thus, the label of " auto-immune " is often easily given. If biofilms are involved in your woman's " auto-immune " problem, certain enzymes can break-down its polymeric matrix slime coating, allowing colloidal silver to penetrate and affect it negatively. doug RE: [ ] Is this theory wrong? > ...i know a woman from a hep-c list that had autoimmune hepatitis. i > believe she was from utah, but ended up seeking the aid of docs in > california... the cutting-edge big guns so to speak. they couldn't help > her. autoimmune hep is pretty uncommon. she ended up going to mexico to > the " dr. " donsbach hospital santa monica (or whatever it's called. now > donsbach has a shady history if researched, but he just might be a pretty > good & smart guy trying to function as a square peg in the round hole of > big > med/gov't... more the victim of establishment persecution than > anything.... > at any rate, he does or did radio shows in CA and his clinic was forced to > go below the border to operate. > > donsbach was successful in eliminating her autoimmune hep with enzymes and > colloidal silver. > she has stayed on on the CS for a good while after returning, and might > still use it (i've lost touch with her). i pointed her to a retired > pharmacist that sells CS he makes in volume just the same as the stuff > most > folks make at home. he sells it really cheap...most of the cost is > shipping. > > so maybe that's a ray of hope for the beyond limits of big med > understanding, and an indication of the potential of ionic/particulate CS > in > normalizing a wacky immune system. it's certainly a good indication that > repairs and regeneration of the immune system are not only possible but > obtainable. i don't know what enzymes were involved, but i suspect the > ionic CS interaction with DNA programming has more to do with it. CS > doesn't just stimulate the immune system... it works with DNA in > mysterious > ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Wouldn’t baking soda and water work for mycoplasms too? Esther N. MBE, RHA, CBS, CNHP Holistic Allergist, Pain Specialist OPEN WINDOWS 2 WELLNESS www.openw2w.com 519.754.8759 From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of bob Larson Sent: November 1, 2008 11:24 PM Subject: RE: [ ] Is this theory wrong? ....yeah, that's what i've been thinking about sjogrens - mycoplasma possibility. and i suspect CSilver might be effective against them. the alternative, when there is one, is lots of antibiotics. CS has a history of working for autoimmune problems sometimes, sometimes not. certainly worth a try... and with that i must get to work packaging up more for ma. -----Original Message----- From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Lofgren Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Is this theory wrong? It makes sense to-entertain the concept of mycoplasm infection in so-called " auto-immune " diseases. The infection is without definable borders. The body " sees " it and tries to deal-with-it, but looking-at this scenario under a conventional microscope only-shows an immune response " gone wacko " .... We can expect an immune-response on an infected-cell that appears " normal " . Thus this modern epidemic of auto-immunity. We didn't have these diseases before mycoplasm infections were common. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 01/11/2008 9:36 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 yeah, real interesting! my " normalizing... " is meant as more of a result summary not getting into the details of what went on that i know next to nothing about. > Re: [ ] Is this theory wrong? > > > I agree with Lofgren that in all likelihood, many so called > " auto-immune " syndromes are probably mycoplasm infections or some > thing very > similar. Bob, you should consider another premise to the use of Colloidal > Silver and enzymes rather than " normalizing a wacky immune > system " . If an > auto-immune syndrome is an infection, particularly a bio-film then CS and > enzymes could be a very important protocol to combat it! > > Biofilms are colonies of bacteria and possibly other > microorganism types > that have found that living together, protected by a > self-secreted polymeric > matrix can evade normal immune responses and foster a viable > community on a > living or non living surface. Dental plaque is probably our best > known and > studied biofilm, but it is becoming increasingly appreciated that > biofilms > can be found anywhere in the body. Biofilms are microorganisms > characteristically encased by slimy, gluey films that help these > pathogenic > microorganisms adhere to moist tissue and evade immune cells and commonly > administered antibiotics. Biofilms cannot easily be cultured or detected, > thus, the label of " auto-immune " is often easily given. > > If biofilms are involved in your woman's " auto-immune " > problem, certain > enzymes can break-down its polymeric matrix slime coating, allowing > colloidal silver to penetrate and affect it negatively. > > doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 so what enzymes break down boifilm?? carol --- In , " polo " <dahart@...> wrote: > > I agree with Lofgren that in all likelihood, many so called > " auto-immune " syndromes are probably mycoplasm infections or some thing very > similar. Bob, you should consider another premise to the use of Colloidal > Silver and enzymes rather than " normalizing a wacky immune system " . If an > auto-immune syndrome is an infection, particularly a bio-film then CS and > enzymes could be a very important protocol to combat it! > > Biofilms are colonies of bacteria and possibly other microorganism types > that have found that living together, protected by a self-secreted polymeric > matrix can evade normal immune responses and foster a viable community on a > living or non living surface. Dental plaque is probably our best known and > studied biofilm, but it is becoming increasingly appreciated that biofilms > can be found anywhere in the body. Biofilms are microorganisms > characteristically encased by slimy, gluey films that help these pathogenic > microorganisms adhere to moist tissue and evade immune cells and commonly > administered antibiotics. Biofilms cannot easily be cultured or detected, > thus, the label of " auto-immune " is often easily given. > > If biofilms are involved in your woman's " auto-immune " problem, certain > enzymes can break-down its polymeric matrix slime coating, allowing > colloidal silver to penetrate and affect it negatively. > > doug > > > RE: [ ] Is this theory wrong? > > > > ...i know a woman from a hep-c list that had autoimmune hepatitis. i > > believe she was from utah, but ended up seeking the aid of docs in > > california... the cutting-edge big guns so to speak. they couldn't help > > her. autoimmune hep is pretty uncommon. she ended up going to mexico to > > the " dr. " donsbach hospital santa monica (or whatever it's called. now > > donsbach has a shady history if researched, but he just might be a pretty > > good & smart guy trying to function as a square peg in the round hole of > > big > > med/gov't... more the victim of establishment persecution than > > anything.... > > at any rate, he does or did radio shows in CA and his clinic was forced to > > go below the border to operate. > > > > donsbach was successful in eliminating her autoimmune hep with enzymes and > > colloidal silver. > > she has stayed on on the CS for a good while after returning, and might > > still use it (i've lost touch with her). i pointed her to a retired > > pharmacist that sells CS he makes in volume just the same as the stuff > > most > > folks make at home. he sells it really cheap...most of the cost is > > shipping. > > > > so maybe that's a ray of hope for the beyond limits of big med > > understanding, and an indication of the potential of ionic/particulate CS > > in > > normalizing a wacky immune system. it's certainly a good indication that > > repairs and regeneration of the immune system are not only possible but > > obtainable. i don't know what enzymes were involved, but i suspect the > > ionic CS interaction with DNA programming has more to do with it. CS > > doesn't just stimulate the immune system... it works with DNA in > > mysterious > > ways. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Wobenzym and serrapeptase are the two enzymes that may be of value for biofilms. Go to Amy's site for a real education on atypical, little understood pathogens, including biofilms: http://bacteriality.com/2008/05/26/biofilm/ doug [ ] Re: Is this theory wrong? > so what enzymes break down boifilm?? > carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Doug ~ That was an amazing article. Thank you. It would appear logical, to me at least, that biofilms are one of the reasons that so many target specific antibiotics fail to eliminate infections. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html--- On Sun, 11/2/08, polo <dahart@...> wrote:From: polo <dahart@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Is this theory wrong? Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 10:14 AM Wobenzym and serrapeptase are the two enzymes that may be of value for biofilms. Go to Amy's site for a real education on atypical, little understood pathogens, including biofilms: http://bacteriality .com/2008/ 05/26/biofilm/ doug [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Is this theory wrong? > so what enzymes break down boifilm?? > carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Yes, I am very impressed with Amy, but she is a Dr. Marshall disciple of whose theories I have deep reservations. As with all things, we have to gleam our own truths and I think Amy has much good data on CWD forms, biofilms, etc. I might also add, I think DMSO could be very useful in penetrating many biofilms when combined with CS and other antibiotics/antifungals, etc. doug Re: [ ] Re: Is this theory wrong? Doug ~ That was an amazing article. Thank you. It would appear logical, to me at least, that biofilms are one of the reasons that so many target specific antibiotics fail to eliminate infections. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 No doubt, I am also a big believer in DMSO; CSilver and OzoneThe article just makes so much sense.Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html--- On Sun, 11/2/08, polo <dahart@...> wrote:From: polo <dahart@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Is this theory wrong? Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 11:37 AM Yes, I am very impressed with Amy, but she is a Dr. Marshall disciple of whose theories I have deep reservations. As with all things, we have to gleam our own truths and I think Amy has much good data on CWD forms, biofilms, etc. I might also add, I think DMSO could be very useful in penetrating many biofilms when combined with CS and other antibiotics/ antifungals, etc. doug Re: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Is this theory wrong? Doug ~ That was an amazing article. Thank you. It would appear logical, to me at least, that biofilms are one of the reasons that so many target specific antibiotics fail to eliminate infections. Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think..http://antwrp. gsfc.nasa. gov/apod/ archivepix. html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 so the article referred to bacterial biofilms and mentioned funguses, but what about if the cause of ones illness is viral? I worry that antibiotics failed me because maybe my problem is viral? I took antibiotics one full year but some claim that you need to be on longer but I worry about doing damage without getting the good out of it I need. As far as Marshall Protocol, I was on that board for a short time and read sooooo much. I learned that for patients with my illness the results couldnt have been more mixed. I was desperate but didnt want to take the blood pressure med so I just did the antibiotics that other groups advocated. Though each group puts its own spin on it, different antiobitics and different supplements. as far as DMSO I havent taken it. Looks like its a topical. Has it helped anyone here? I have taken MSM powder form, very nasty. Not sure if i should continue. I have taken Glutathine cream which was RX'd by a doctor who felt it could help but it was just so expensive at the compounding pharmacy $50 for the tiniest amount and insurance does not pay for non formulary medicine. His program was called "Methylation" and it included Plaquenil, Niacin, this Glutathione cream, Infrared sauna, Vit B12 but specifically methylcarbanol, a specific type of folic acid that's really hard to find, began with a T i think, and I forget the rest of the regime. I had gone to him to tweek the protocol but he didnt even want to talk about antiobiotics despite using them for others. Another antibiotic doc only talked about taking Oil of Oregano, Collonstrum, Beta Glucan and whatever else i forget and I did that too for a while without results. I get so tired of trying so many things. It's like I dont know where to put my time, money, energy. I am hoping MMS is the answer for me. I can't believe how much it stinks up a room LOL. From: polo <dahart@...>Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Is this theory wrong? Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 7:14 AM Wobenzym and serrapeptase are the two enzymes that may be of value for biofilms. Go to Amy's site for a real education on atypical, little understood pathogens, including biofilms:http://bacteriality .com/2008/ 05/26/biofilm/doug [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Is this theory wrong?> so what enzymes break down boifilm??> carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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