Contact With Birds Not Required to Contract Bird Flu Infection

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http://www.naturaln ews.com/023815. html"The authors speculated that the virus may remain active in fertilizer madefrom bird feces, or in certain fluids that stick to surfaces eventuallytouched by humans. The question has also been raised as to whether the virusneeds to enter the nose or can infect humans by merely being eaten."It is unknown whether influenza A (H5N1) virus infection can begin in thehuman gastrointestinal tract," the researchers wrote. "In several patients,diarrheal disease preceded respiratory symptoms, and virus has been detectedin feces."Note that China is growing vast amounts of genetically modified crops.Genetic engineering entails the insertion (at random, mind you!) ofantibiotic-resistan t marker genes, viral promoters (in most cases in nakedform, i.e. without its viral coat).Naked viral

DNA (virus without its viralcoat) is even more infectious and may well be taken up by mammalian cells,including ours! In addition, viral DNA has shown to resist digestion in thegut of mice, enters the blood stream to infect white blood cells, spleen andliver cells. One such virus most commonly used as a promoter in geneticengineering is the cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV), which – due to itsrecombination hotspot –is prone to break and join with other DNA tointegrate into the cell’s genome, which could activate host genes and leadto cancer. CaMV is closely related to the Hepatitis B and HIV virus and dueto its ability to propagate in plant and insect hosts after recombinationmay also recombine with related Hepatitis B and HIV to create a mostpowerful disease in a large number of people consuming large numbers ofvirus genes incorporated into crop plants.In conjunction with the above, read

this:http://www.whale. to/b/rappoport1. html"What does the presence of these antibodies mean?Perhaps we can glean a clue from a rather astonishing mainstream comment onthe current bird-flu hysteria. Near the end of a NY Times article (“Hazardsin the hunt for flu bug”) by medical reporter Kolata (November 9,2005), we find the following reference to Dr. Palese, of the MountSinai School of Medicine in New York:"Some experts like Palese of the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in NewYork said the H5N1 viruses are a false alarm. He notes that studies of serumcollected in 1992 from people in rural China indicated that millions therehad antibodies to the H5N1 strain. That means they had been infected with anH5N1 bird virus and recovered, apparently without incident."Until AIDS testing took off in

earnest in the mid-1980s, it was generallyassumed that the presence of antibodies in a patient signified good health.The patient had contacted a germ, mounted an immune response, and the germwas neutralized. There was certainly no consensus that antibodies meantpresent or future disease across the board.In other words, if millions of people in China had encountered H5N1 (birdflu) viruses and showed antibodies to these viruses, it would be expectedthat they would remain healthy.Except that with the onset of AIDS research, everything was stood on itshead. People who were tested and called HIV-positive – meaning they hadantibodies to the virus – were said to be sick or on a sure road to becomingsick.So now we have another level of the AIDS testing hoax. Why were people beingtested for antibodies to HIV? Why was that method presumed to be significantat all? Why wasn’t the presence of

antibodies to HIV taken as a sign ofhealth?Millions of people all over the world have been subjected to the andWestern Blot HIV tests – both of which have the sole objective of findingantibodies to HIV. Why have these tests been elevated to the status ofpresent or future disease detectives?While writing AIDS INC. in 1988, I had a very interesting conversation witha doctor at the US National Institutes of Health. He told me that when anHIV vaccine eventually went into testing (and when it was later released foruse on the public), every person who got the vaccine would be given aspecial letter.The letter would say that the person had received the vaccine. The letterwould say that if, at any time, the person was subsequently tested for HIVand came up positive – meaning he had antibodies to HIV – this should NOT betaken as a sign of present or future illness. In this case, the

person wasactually immune to HIV, because he had “received” his antibodies from thevaccine.I almost fell off my chair. I said, “Let me get this straight. If a persondevelops antibodies naturally to HIV, he is told he is either sick now orwill get sick. But if gets his antibodies – the same antibodies – to HIVfrom a vaccine, he is told he is immune to the virus.”The doctor gave me no clear response."Ingrid

[Guest guest]

Hi Ingrid,

What exactly does this mean? Why do some people become immune while

others do not? Health factors? Where can I get more information on

the AIDS virus? Thank you! Am I allowed to cross post any

information from this forum to other anti-vaccine groups?

>

> http://www.naturalnews.com/023815.html

>

> " The authors speculated that the virus may remain active in

fertilizer made

> from bird feces, or in certain fluids that stick to surfaces

eventually

> touched by humans. The question has also been raised as to whether

the virus

> needs to enter the nose or can infect humans by merely being eaten.

>

> " It is unknown whether influenza A (H5N1) virus infection can begin

in the

> human gastrointestinal tract, " the researchers wrote. " In several

patients,

> diarrheal disease preceded respiratory symptoms, and virus has been

detected

> in feces. "

>

>

> Note that China is growing vast amounts of genetically modified

crops.

> Genetic engineering entails the insertion (at random, mind you!) of

> antibiotic-resistant marker genes, viral promoters (in most cases

in naked

> form, i.e. without its viral coat).Naked viral DNA (virus without

its viral

> coat) is even more infectious and may well be taken up by mammalian

cells,

> including ours! In addition, viral DNA has shown to resist

digestion in the

> gut of mice, enters the blood stream to infect white blood cells,

spleen and

> liver cells. One such virus most commonly used as a promoter in

genetic

> engineering is the cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV), which – due to

its

> recombination hotspot –is prone to break and join with other DNA to

> integrate into the cell's genome, which could activate host genes

and lead

> to cancer. CaMV is closely related to the Hepatitis B and HIV virus

and due

> to its ability to propagate in plant and insect hosts after

recombination

> may also recombine with related Hepatitis B and HIV to create a most

> powerful disease in a large number of people consuming large

numbers of

> virus genes incorporated into crop plants.

>

> In conjunction with the above, read this:

> http://www.whale.to/b/rappoport1.html

>

> " What does the presence of these antibodies mean?

>

> Perhaps we can glean a clue from a rather astonishing mainstream

comment on

> the current bird-flu hysteria. Near the end of a NY Times article

( " Hazards

> in the hunt for flu bug " ) by medical reporter Kolata (November

9,

> 2005), we find the following reference to Dr. Palese, of the

Mount

> Sinai School of Medicine in New York:

>

> " Some experts like Palese of the Mount Sinai School of

Medicine in New

> York said the H5N1 viruses are a false alarm. He notes that studies

of serum

> collected in 1992 from people in rural China indicated that

millions there

> had antibodies to the H5N1 strain. That means they had been

infected with an

> H5N1 bird virus and recovered, apparently without incident. "

> Until AIDS testing took off in earnest in the mid-1980s, it was

generally

> assumed that the presence of antibodies in a patient signified good

health.

> The patient had contacted a germ, mounted an immune response, and

the germ

> was neutralized. There was certainly no consensus that antibodies

meant

> present or future disease across the board.

>

> In other words, if millions of people in China had encountered H5N1

(bird

> flu) viruses and showed antibodies to these viruses, it would be

expected

> that they would remain healthy.

>

> Except that with the onset of AIDS research, everything was stood

on its

> head. People who were tested and called HIV-positive – meaning they

had

> antibodies to the virus – were said to be sick or on a sure road to

becoming

> sick.

>

> So now we have another level of the AIDS testing hoax. Why were

people being

> tested for antibodies to HIV? Why was that method presumed to be

significant

> at all? Why wasn't the presence of antibodies to HIV taken as a

sign of

> health?

>

> Millions of people all over the world have been subjected to the

and

> Western Blot HIV tests – both of which have the sole objective of

finding

> antibodies to HIV. Why have these tests been elevated to the status

of

> present or future disease detectives?

>

> While writing AIDS INC. in 1988, I had a very interesting

conversation with

> a doctor at the US National Institutes of Health. He told me that

when an

> HIV vaccine eventually went into testing (and when it was later

released for

> use on the public), every person who got the vaccine would be given

a

> special letter.

>

> The letter would say that the person had received the vaccine. The

letter

> would say that if, at any time, the person was subsequently tested

for HIV

> and came up positive – meaning he had antibodies to HIV – this

should NOT be

> taken as a sign of present or future illness. In this case, the

person was

> actually immune to HIV, because he had " received " his antibodies

from the

> vaccine.

>

> I almost fell off my chair. I said, " Let me get this straight. If a

person

> develops antibodies naturally to HIV, he is told he is either sick

now or

> will get sick. But if gets his antibodies – the same antibodies –

to HIV

> from a vaccine, he is told he is immune to the virus. "

>

> The doctor gave me no clear response. "

>

>

>

> Ingrid

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ingrid,

What exactly does this mean? Why do some people become immune while

others do not? Health factors? Where can I get more information on

the AIDS virus? Thank you! Am I allowed to cross post any

information from this forum to other anti-vaccine groups?

>

> http://www.naturalnews.com/023815.html

>

> " The authors speculated that the virus may remain active in

fertilizer made

> from bird feces, or in certain fluids that stick to surfaces

eventually

> touched by humans. The question has also been raised as to whether

the virus

> needs to enter the nose or can infect humans by merely being eaten.

>

> " It is unknown whether influenza A (H5N1) virus infection can begin

in the

> human gastrointestinal tract, " the researchers wrote. " In several

patients,

> diarrheal disease preceded respiratory symptoms, and virus has been

detected

> in feces. "

>

>

> Note that China is growing vast amounts of genetically modified

crops.

> Genetic engineering entails the insertion (at random, mind you!) of

> antibiotic-resistant marker genes, viral promoters (in most cases

in naked

> form, i.e. without its viral coat).Naked viral DNA (virus without

its viral

> coat) is even more infectious and may well be taken up by mammalian

cells,

> including ours! In addition, viral DNA has shown to resist

digestion in the

> gut of mice, enters the blood stream to infect white blood cells,

spleen and

> liver cells. One such virus most commonly used as a promoter in

genetic

> engineering is the cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV), which – due to

its

> recombination hotspot –is prone to break and join with other DNA to

> integrate into the cell's genome, which could activate host genes

and lead

> to cancer. CaMV is closely related to the Hepatitis B and HIV virus

and due

> to its ability to propagate in plant and insect hosts after

recombination

> may also recombine with related Hepatitis B and HIV to create a most

> powerful disease in a large number of people consuming large

numbers of

> virus genes incorporated into crop plants.

>

> In conjunction with the above, read this:

> http://www.whale.to/b/rappoport1.html

>

> " What does the presence of these antibodies mean?

>

> Perhaps we can glean a clue from a rather astonishing mainstream

comment on

> the current bird-flu hysteria. Near the end of a NY Times article

( " Hazards

> in the hunt for flu bug " ) by medical reporter Kolata (November

9,

> 2005), we find the following reference to Dr. Palese, of the

Mount

> Sinai School of Medicine in New York:

>

> " Some experts like Palese of the Mount Sinai School of

Medicine in New

> York said the H5N1 viruses are a false alarm. He notes that studies

of serum

> collected in 1992 from people in rural China indicated that

millions there

> had antibodies to the H5N1 strain. That means they had been

infected with an

> H5N1 bird virus and recovered, apparently without incident. "

> Until AIDS testing took off in earnest in the mid-1980s, it was

generally

> assumed that the presence of antibodies in a patient signified good

health.

> The patient had contacted a germ, mounted an immune response, and

the germ

> was neutralized. There was certainly no consensus that antibodies

meant

> present or future disease across the board.

>

> In other words, if millions of people in China had encountered H5N1

(bird

> flu) viruses and showed antibodies to these viruses, it would be

expected

> that they would remain healthy.

>

> Except that with the onset of AIDS research, everything was stood

on its

> head. People who were tested and called HIV-positive – meaning they

had

> antibodies to the virus – were said to be sick or on a sure road to

becoming

> sick.

>

> So now we have another level of the AIDS testing hoax. Why were

people being

> tested for antibodies to HIV? Why was that method presumed to be

significant

> at all? Why wasn't the presence of antibodies to HIV taken as a

sign of

> health?

>

> Millions of people all over the world have been subjected to the

and

> Western Blot HIV tests – both of which have the sole objective of

finding

> antibodies to HIV. Why have these tests been elevated to the status

of

> present or future disease detectives?

>

> While writing AIDS INC. in 1988, I had a very interesting

conversation with

> a doctor at the US National Institutes of Health. He told me that

when an

> HIV vaccine eventually went into testing (and when it was later

released for

> use on the public), every person who got the vaccine would be given

a

> special letter.

>

> The letter would say that the person had received the vaccine. The

letter

> would say that if, at any time, the person was subsequently tested

for HIV

> and came up positive – meaning he had antibodies to HIV – this

should NOT be

> taken as a sign of present or future illness. In this case, the

person was

> actually immune to HIV, because he had " received " his antibodies

from the

> vaccine.

>

> I almost fell off my chair. I said, " Let me get this straight. If a

person

> develops antibodies naturally to HIV, he is told he is either sick

now or

> will get sick. But if gets his antibodies – the same antibodies –

to HIV

> from a vaccine, he is told he is immune to the virus. "

>

> The doctor gave me no clear response. "

>

>

>

> Ingrid

>

[Guest guest]

Sharing knowledge is where we get our power :)I would look into some alternative information about the AIDS virus and theories (with too much proof) about HIV actually being a hoax. Search HIV hoax in google. Somebody just recently posted an article about german medical officials who were charged in court for lying about having isolated the virus and for forging photos of the " HIV virus " ... the virus still hasn't been isolated yet therefore, can our HIV " tests " even work? The truth is they can't and they don't and they specifically say that they can't in their pamphlet as a disclaimer.

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Dawn <dawndanc@...> wrote:

Hi Ingrid,

What exactly does this mean? Why do some people become immune while

others do not? Health factors? Where can I get more information on

the AIDS virus? Thank you! Am I allowed to cross post any

information from this forum to other anti-vaccine groups?

>

> http://www.naturalnews.com/023815.html

>

> " The authors speculated that the virus may remain active in

fertilizer made

> from bird feces, or in certain fluids that stick to surfaces

eventually

> touched by humans. The question has also been raised as to whether

the virus

> needs to enter the nose or can infect humans by merely being eaten.

>

> " It is unknown whether influenza A (H5N1) virus infection can begin

in the

> human gastrointestinal tract, " the researchers wrote. " In several

patients,

> diarrheal disease preceded respiratory symptoms, and virus has been

detected

> in feces. "

>

>

> Note that China is growing vast amounts of genetically modified

crops.

> Genetic engineering entails the insertion (at random, mind you!) of

> antibiotic-resistant marker genes, viral promoters (in most cases

in naked

> form, i.e. without its viral coat).Naked viral DNA (virus without

its viral

> coat) is even more infectious and may well be taken up by mammalian

cells,

> including ours! In addition, viral DNA has shown to resist

digestion in the

> gut of mice, enters the blood stream to infect white blood cells,

spleen and

> liver cells. One such virus most commonly used as a promoter in

genetic

> engineering is the cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV), which – due to

its

> recombination hotspot –is prone to break and join with other DNA to

> integrate into the cell's genome, which could activate host genes

and lead

> to cancer. CaMV is closely related to the Hepatitis B and HIV virus

and due

> to its ability to propagate in plant and insect hosts after

recombination

> may also recombine with related Hepatitis B and HIV to create a most

> powerful disease in a large number of people consuming large

numbers of

> virus genes incorporated into crop plants.

>

> In conjunction with the above, read this:

> http://www.whale.to/b/rappoport1.html

>

> " What does the presence of these antibodies mean?

>

> Perhaps we can glean a clue from a rather astonishing mainstream

comment on

> the current bird-flu hysteria. Near the end of a NY Times article

( " Hazards

> in the hunt for flu bug " ) by medical reporter Kolata (November

9,

> 2005), we find the following reference to Dr. Palese, of the

Mount

> Sinai School of Medicine in New York:

>

> " Some experts like Palese of the Mount Sinai School of

Medicine in New

> York said the H5N1 viruses are a false alarm. He notes that studies

of serum

> collected in 1992 from people in rural China indicated that

millions there

> had antibodies to the H5N1 strain. That means they had been

infected with an

> H5N1 bird virus and recovered, apparently without incident. "

> Until AIDS testing took off in earnest in the mid-1980s, it was

generally

> assumed that the presence of antibodies in a patient signified good

health.

> The patient had contacted a germ, mounted an immune response, and

the germ

> was neutralized. There was certainly no consensus that antibodies

meant

> present or future disease across the board.

>

> In other words, if millions of people in China had encountered H5N1

(bird

> flu) viruses and showed antibodies to these viruses, it would be

expected

> that they would remain healthy.

>

> Except that with the onset of AIDS research, everything was stood

on its

> head. People who were tested and called HIV-positive – meaning they

had

> antibodies to the virus – were said to be sick or on a sure road to

becoming

> sick.

>

> So now we have another level of the AIDS testing hoax. Why were

people being

> tested for antibodies to HIV? Why was that method presumed to be

significant

> at all? Why wasn't the presence of antibodies to HIV taken as a

sign of

> health?

>

> Millions of people all over the world have been subjected to the

and

> Western Blot HIV tests – both of which have the sole objective of

finding

> antibodies to HIV. Why have these tests been elevated to the status

of

> present or future disease detectives?

>

> While writing AIDS INC. in 1988, I had a very interesting

conversation with

> a doctor at the US National Institutes of Health. He told me that

when an

> HIV vaccine eventually went into testing (and when it was later

released for

> use on the public), every person who got the vaccine would be given

a

> special letter.

>

> The letter would say that the person had received the vaccine. The

letter

> would say that if, at any time, the person was subsequently tested

for HIV

> and came up positive – meaning he had antibodies to HIV – this

should NOT be

> taken as a sign of present or future illness. In this case, the

person was

> actually immune to HIV, because he had " received " his antibodies

from the

> vaccine.

>

> I almost fell off my chair. I said, " Let me get this straight. If a

person

> develops antibodies naturally to HIV, he is told he is either sick

now or

> will get sick. But if gets his antibodies – the same antibodies –

to HIV

> from a vaccine, he is told he is immune to the virus. "

>

> The doctor gave me no clear response. "

>

>

>

> Ingrid

>

[Guest guest]

Sharing knowledge is where we get our power :)I would look into some alternative information about the AIDS virus and theories (with too much proof) about HIV actually being a hoax. Search HIV hoax in google. Somebody just recently posted an article about german medical officials who were charged in court for lying about having isolated the virus and for forging photos of the " HIV virus " ... the virus still hasn't been isolated yet therefore, can our HIV " tests " even work? The truth is they can't and they don't and they specifically say that they can't in their pamphlet as a disclaimer.

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Dawn <dawndanc@...> wrote:

Hi Ingrid,

What exactly does this mean? Why do some people become immune while

others do not? Health factors? Where can I get more information on

the AIDS virus? Thank you! Am I allowed to cross post any

information from this forum to other anti-vaccine groups?

>

> http://www.naturalnews.com/023815.html

>

> " The authors speculated that the virus may remain active in

fertilizer made

> from bird feces, or in certain fluids that stick to surfaces

eventually

> touched by humans. The question has also been raised as to whether

the virus

> needs to enter the nose or can infect humans by merely being eaten.

>

> " It is unknown whether influenza A (H5N1) virus infection can begin

in the

> human gastrointestinal tract, " the researchers wrote. " In several

patients,

> diarrheal disease preceded respiratory symptoms, and virus has been

detected

> in feces. "

>

>

> Note that China is growing vast amounts of genetically modified

crops.

> Genetic engineering entails the insertion (at random, mind you!) of

> antibiotic-resistant marker genes, viral promoters (in most cases

in naked

> form, i.e. without its viral coat).Naked viral DNA (virus without

its viral

> coat) is even more infectious and may well be taken up by mammalian

cells,

> including ours! In addition, viral DNA has shown to resist

digestion in the

> gut of mice, enters the blood stream to infect white blood cells,

spleen and

> liver cells. One such virus most commonly used as a promoter in

genetic

> engineering is the cauliflower mosaic virus (CaMV), which – due to

its

> recombination hotspot –is prone to break and join with other DNA to

> integrate into the cell's genome, which could activate host genes

and lead

> to cancer. CaMV is closely related to the Hepatitis B and HIV virus

and due

> to its ability to propagate in plant and insect hosts after

recombination

> may also recombine with related Hepatitis B and HIV to create a most

> powerful disease in a large number of people consuming large

numbers of

> virus genes incorporated into crop plants.

>

> In conjunction with the above, read this:

> http://www.whale.to/b/rappoport1.html

>

> " What does the presence of these antibodies mean?

>

> Perhaps we can glean a clue from a rather astonishing mainstream

comment on

> the current bird-flu hysteria. Near the end of a NY Times article

( " Hazards

> in the hunt for flu bug " ) by medical reporter Kolata (November

9,

> 2005), we find the following reference to Dr. Palese, of the

Mount

> Sinai School of Medicine in New York:

>

> " Some experts like Palese of the Mount Sinai School of

Medicine in New

> York said the H5N1 viruses are a false alarm. He notes that studies

of serum

> collected in 1992 from people in rural China indicated that

millions there

> had antibodies to the H5N1 strain. That means they had been

infected with an

> H5N1 bird virus and recovered, apparently without incident. "

> Until AIDS testing took off in earnest in the mid-1980s, it was

generally

> assumed that the presence of antibodies in a patient signified good

health.

> The patient had contacted a germ, mounted an immune response, and

the germ

> was neutralized. There was certainly no consensus that antibodies

meant

> present or future disease across the board.

>

> In other words, if millions of people in China had encountered H5N1

(bird

> flu) viruses and showed antibodies to these viruses, it would be

expected

> that they would remain healthy.

>

> Except that with the onset of AIDS research, everything was stood

on its

> head. People who were tested and called HIV-positive – meaning they

had

> antibodies to the virus – were said to be sick or on a sure road to

becoming

> sick.

>

> So now we have another level of the AIDS testing hoax. Why were

people being

> tested for antibodies to HIV? Why was that method presumed to be

significant

> at all? Why wasn't the presence of antibodies to HIV taken as a

sign of

> health?

>

> Millions of people all over the world have been subjected to the

and

> Western Blot HIV tests – both of which have the sole objective of

finding

> antibodies to HIV. Why have these tests been elevated to the status

of

> present or future disease detectives?

>

> While writing AIDS INC. in 1988, I had a very interesting

conversation with

> a doctor at the US National Institutes of Health. He told me that

when an

> HIV vaccine eventually went into testing (and when it was later

released for

> use on the public), every person who got the vaccine would be given

a

> special letter.

>

> The letter would say that the person had received the vaccine. The

letter

> would say that if, at any time, the person was subsequently tested

for HIV

> and came up positive – meaning he had antibodies to HIV – this

should NOT be

> taken as a sign of present or future illness. In this case, the

person was

> actually immune to HIV, because he had " received " his antibodies

from the

> vaccine.

>

> I almost fell off my chair. I said, " Let me get this straight. If a

person

> develops antibodies naturally to HIV, he is told he is either sick

now or

> will get sick. But if gets his antibodies – the same antibodies –

to HIV

> from a vaccine, he is told he is immune to the virus. "

>

> The doctor gave me no clear response. "

>

>

>

> Ingrid

>